A Simple Solution to a Complicated Problem?
No, no, no, I'm not talking about shooting Jay Cutler to put him out of our misery.
Although I'm not totally against the idea. (As Judy Grimes would say, just kidding just kidding.)
Look, I get it--Jay Cutler is a good quarterback. He's undoubtedly more talented than the Vikings' current dynamic duo behind center. But I refuse to waste any more time talking about him because:
- The Vikings have nothing to offer that would entice the Broncos to trade him to Minnesota, especially compared to the plethora of other teams that are reportedly interested in him.
- It's becoming blatantly obvious that the guy is a solid mixture of a giant douche and a turd sandwich. It's OK to be a little miffed that your new coach was looking to trade you, but to burn his calls like a scorned junior high girlfriend is a bit much. I remember almost everyone on this site shunning the possibility of getting another me-first prima donna a few weeks ago--why is this one so different?
What I'd really like to discuss involves a small tweak to solve an issue that has been gaining some steam lately--the (un)fairness of the NFL's current overtime rule.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Peter King makes a couple of excellent points about overtime in a recent article:
In the last five years, 28 of the 72 overtime games played ended on the first possession of overtime, with the teams losing the coin flip not getting a chance to touch the ball. That's 39 percent of the games ending with one team touching the ball in overtime.
In the last five years, 72 of the 72 teams that won the coin flip to start overtime chose to receive. I keep hearing how the coin flip doesn't win or lose the games; teams do. True. But if the coin flip is so insignificant, why has no team since Marty Mornhinweg's Lions in 2001 chosen to kick off after winning?
First of all, feel free to chuckle again about Marty's infamous decision; yet another great chapter in the proud history of the Detroit Lions. I know I had a good laugh. But King is right on--if the overtime format is so "fair", why does the team that wins the coin toss run back to the sideline celebrating like they just won the lottery? Even the 2000 Ravens wouldn't have thought for a moment about kicking off to the other team in overtime. And they had Trent Dilfer!
I'm well aware that any reform to the overtime format has already been shot down at this year's NFL meetings, so you won't see changes any time soon. But I have a simple solution that may please everyone:
Get rid of punting in overtime.
That's it.
I'll admit that I didn't come up with this idea all on my own. Tuesday Morning Quarterback proposed an idea a few months ago that teams play a full fifth quarter but take away all field goals, punts, and PATs. It's a nice idea that would give both teams an adequate shot at winning (and without any kicks, a lower chance of ties), but the NFL Players Association would never go for it. Any overtime solution that always makes teams play 25% longer just won't fly with the players. (Note: I believe this is why Goodell's proposal of extending the season to 17 or 18 games is going to get a lot of backlash from the players unless they get paid a lot more, but that's for another time.)
Another solution that won't (and shouldn't) gain any traction is any variation of the college overtime rules, where each team gets equal possessions starting from a certain yard line. This would skew scoring statistics beyond belief. I know that the NFL doesn't care about all-time numbers like baseball, but fantasy football is a bajillion-dollar-a-year business. Could you imagine losing your fantasy football championship because the other guy's quarterback threw 4 TD's in overtime? I'm fairly certain that the college OT format would cause a rash of fantasy-related murders, and I don't think the NFL wants that on their hands.
The main gripe about the current overtime format is that "the game shouldn't be decided by a coin flip." While this isn't entirely true, I'm betting Peyton Manning and the Colts may agree with that after their playoff loss to the Chargers. If the NFL took away punts in the extra session and kept everything else the same, it would introduce actual strategy to overtime instead of leaving it to the luck of a coin flip.
For instance, let's say the Vikings go into overtime this coming season. Knowing that there are no punts and they would have to go for it on 4th down regardless of field position, would Childress trust T-Jax or RosenCopter to move it down the field enough to not give the opponents an easy field goal? Or would he let Minnesota's vaunted defense go out there and try to shut the other team down and give our mediocre quarterback a short field?
See?!? At the very least it raises the question of deferring to the other team. It's no longer a no-brainer. It's no longer just a coin flip. Just think about it--how much more exciting would it make overtime, knowing that teams have to go for it every fourth down? How much more fun would the blogosphere and talking heads have second-guessing coaches the next day? I truly don't see a downside to this.
Alas, this is probably a pipe dream. NFL owners are stubborn and the league has a very possible work stoppage looming in the near future that will take precedence over any paltry rule changes. But c'mon, at this point, anything is better than all of this Jay Cutler nonsense. We've beaten that dead Bronco enough. (See what I did there? Dead Bronco instead of dead horse? Zing!)
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What, not a story about Cutler?
You forgot the most important reason the Vikings won’t pick up Cutler or any top notch quarterback, Chilly believes that T-Jack is the answer. I hope Chilly is right, but after watching T-Jack play I think he has the physical skills to be a top NFL quarterback, but not the mental toughness.
A change to overtime should be done in the NFL. I think each team should get their chance to have possession of football. I like the idea of not allowing punting, especially if each team gets possession of the ball. Teams might elect to kick off in that scenario. Just remember this is the NFL (No Fun League) and I don’t see that change happening in the next 10 years.
by wesjt on Apr 1, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like where your head's at.
Good thought.
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by Manimal on Apr 1, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.
That is a kick ass idea. That would create all kinds of sweet decision making and drama at the end of a game.
And I don’t see very many ties coming out of such a situation either. Bonus.
by footballninja on Apr 1, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Remove sudden death
Let them play the whole quarter. If it’s still tied at the end, then it’s a tie. At least that way the team that lost the coin toss still has a fair chance.
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by SippyCup on Apr 1, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely the most fair
But like I said, the players don’t like the idea at all.
by ericj69 on Apr 1, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
Then those whiny ass players should just man up and just win the friggin game in regulation so we all can move on with our lives. This could be like a punishment for defenses that allow a team to march down the field in the last 45 seconds of the game and tie it up with a field goal.
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by SippyCup on Apr 1, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Cutler may be a turd..........
i agree with everything you have said about Jay Cutler!!! you forgot to mention that mcdaniels is a smuck for not being up front to begin with!!! i think that the broncos are in a world of sh— and will not get out under the present leadership!!!
by norsemenxpress on Apr 1, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
I agree with you that both sides are to blame here. McDaniels was stupid for making “trying to trade Cutler” his first order of business, and the way the team handled it publicly was atrocious. But like I said, I didn’t want to talk about Cutler that much. Crap, I’m still doing it!
by ericj69 on Apr 1, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t the fact that teams score on the first possession only 39% of the time put to rest the argument that the coin flip decides the game. Without knowing the exact percentage of teams who defend before gaining possession and scoring (win), one might deduce from that it is better not to win the coin toss.
Why then do teams want the ball? Seriously? Even the greatest of defenses score less than the most mediocre of offenses.
In my opinion, changing the game from football to something else can never be the answer. I don’t think eliminating punting during overtimes adds any intrigue. I don’t think the level of strategery is enhanced; it may be reduced. This is not Madden, and there are consequences to losing games.
Throughout the course of a game, each team is given every opportunity to score points, or to prevent the opponent from doing so. In overtime, nothing less is expected: Score or stop the opponent from scoring – that’s football!
The numbers don’t support the need for a change. Coming out on the losers end of an overtime games sucks majorily, no doubt. Such is life.
by LoveHate on Apr 1, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When it comes down to it.
Both of these teams failed to win the game. Whining about what happens afterwards seems petty.
And yes, I still want Cutler. This is the first time I’ve heard of him whining since he’s been in the league. And he’s leaps and bounds better than Tavaris and Sage.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
by Robert Rence on Apr 1, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RE: Cutler post / punts in OT
I think that OT should just be settled in the opening coin toss. If you receive the ball in the first kick off, then the opposing team gets it in OT if it goes into OT. That seems fair to me. Eliminating punting is real gimmicky in my opinion.
And as far as Jay Cutler being a pre-madonna. IDK, I see him in clips (wearing a uniform) and he seems real, real competitive and passionate. He reminds me of someone who at the time was considered a pre-madonna (but later paled in comparison to T.O and the Vikings on the BOAT and other players who shot themselves in the leg) on our team.
Randy Moss. He never should have been traded but Red McCombs didn’t want to pay his bonus and was being vindictive because Randy shouted at him for being 33 million under the cap in a closed door meeting.
I think it’s safe to say that RANDY turned out pretty good… far from the jackal the media made him out to be. CUTLER is a choir boy in comparison. When RANDY called out his team mates after the blew a lead he single handedly got for them, after he “walked off the field” with 12 seconds left in WASHINGTON when we were down by 57 points. i supported him. He is a competitor, not an employee. And he was right at the end of the day.. we should have “fixed out chemistry problem” by trading our entire team and keeping him.
I say go for it, get cutler. He’s a bargain, young and he will be happy. And happy campers don’t cause problems.
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by Crom on Apr 1, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Peter King say that?
About the coin toss thing? I heard it somewhere anyway. Just can’t remember exactly who said it.
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by Manimal on Apr 1, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this post for 3 reasons:
1. South Park reference. You want to please me, just reference South Park and I will agree with anything you say.
2. Calling him Rosencopter instead of Rosenfels. Also a great way to get my approval.
3. A totally BA idea. I read that same article, and while it’s unlikely, it makes for some great discussion about what that would be like.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 1, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Farva, you are my target audience. And by that I mean that you obviously like the same kind of TV shows and sarcastic toilet humor that I adore so much.
by ericj69 on Apr 2, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! I feel so accomplished now.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 2, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why NFL coaches want the ball in OT
If it boils down to 1 reason almost every coach has chosen to receive, it’s this: proactive vs. reactive.
There are other reasons, too:
2) to show confidence in their QB and offensive unit.
3) to show confidence in their offensive scheme/gameplan.
4) the belief that even if they don’t score, the other team will get their 1st chance in OT with worse field position than they would receiving the first kickoff.
5) because that’s how they learned it way back when.
Ideally, the decision should be based on a team’s (and/or coach’s) strengths, e.g., the 2006 Bears would usually choose to kick off and give Rex Grossman & Co. a shorter field. Marty Mornhinweg probably knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he chose to kick, and it’s too bad that it backfired on him. I’m sure he had put more thought into it than those who reflexively dismissed it as a stupid move.
NO on the no punting in OT rule. Talk about mostly random, unsatisfying, and boring. With no punting allowed, who could afford to piddle around with the running game? It would be a contest to see whether the 1st QB to touch the ball could beat the prevent defense or go 4-and-out, allowing the kicking team to win by kicking a 30-something yarder on 1st down…and who wants to see that? The coin toss winners would switch to kicking instead of receiving, and the coin toss loser would lose far more often.
by KC Viking on Apr 1, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT
Agree with sippy cup. Let themn play one more quarter.
by ZygiZag on Apr 2, 2009 12:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
GET JAY CUTLER
And enjoy your sandwich :)
Now that that’s out of the way, the overtime thing is more interesting. At first I was inclined to agree; dump the punt, make the teams play to the limit every series… the reason that the last 72 teams have elected to receive is that they don’t have to get anywhere near the endzone to put the game way. All they have to do is get within field goal range, and if they have a reliable kicker, it’s game over man, game over.
But if you have a lousy kicker, it’s a lot harder to get that score (which may have been the situation with the Lions, I don’t know and don’t care enough to look it up); rolling the dice with the on-side kick may make more sense if you think you got a good enough mis-match on the line.
Fairness is in the coin toss, you can’t get more fair than random chance. After that, the tangibles should carry more weight than random chance, for one short quarter.
Taking away the punt means that whoever does the initial kickoff can help themselves out a lot by kicking it long, even if it goes out of the endzone. The opposition is screwed if they can’t make at least 4ea 1st downs, on the average, to move the ball out of their own territory. That same number of 1st downs ALSO puts them in long field goal range, though.
The punt means that each team will tend to have to start it’s series back in it’s own territory, which prolongs the game and forces each team to perform for a possible victory, rather than relying on a shortcut rule.
I’ll say, ‘stick with the punt’, for now, with the possible change of letting the scoring continue to the end of the quarter.
by DCPurple on Apr 2, 2009 6:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good points KC and DC
You both make solid cases for keeping the punt. The poll is quasi-close, but it seems like my idea isn’t winning a ton of people over. While I don’t think my suggestion is the perfect solution, at least it would make the OT situation less cut-and-dry. Maybe it’s just the blogger in me or wishful thinking, but I root for any chance to second-guess coaching decisions, especially with Childress!
by ericj69 on Apr 2, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just Play College OT
Each team gets the ball an equal # of times. You must score a TD if the 1st team kicks a field goal-or just put it at the 10 and say no field goals. I would like that better.
by CitrusFLViking on Apr 2, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
For the Judy Grimes reference. Kristin Wiig is HILARIOUS!
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by TheViking83 on Apr 2, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jeff garcia
jeff garcia wasnt resigned in tampa, maybe hes an option for a qb for today?
by diamondjoey on Apr 2, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the train of thought, but I don't think eliminating punts would do much.
It might change what teams want the ball first and what ones do not, but I don’t see it having much effect on fairness.
Sure, a defensive-oriented team would be more likely to choose to kick if they win the toss. But that does not make it any more fair for the teams.
The elimination of sudden death would probably be the best option.
That is, of course, unless people want to go to a shootout-style overtime where they have to make progressively longer field goals until one team misses.
by Bjorno on Apr 2, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well..
Not sure I like the idea of no kicks – unless it’s the one I give below.
How about if you choose to take the ball after the coin toss you don’t receive a kick – it’s just placed at the 15 or 20 yard line? At least that puts the receiving team a little further back than a normal kick return might typically net and helps make the field position issue come into play a little more.
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by FishingMN on Apr 2, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler Goes to Bears and Jerry Angelo
again makes a huge sucker play giving up two first round draft picks and Kyle Orton to get him. Watching Cutler fume while trying to make silk purses out of the sow’s ears the Bears call WRs should be a great joy to watch.
by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Apr 3, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah i didn't want those grapes anyway, they were probably sour
best part about getting Jay Cutler? YOU DIDN"T!!!!
Enjoy 3rd place….
You’re just lucky that the Lions are around.
by tempchad on Apr 3, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone had a great idea
I cannot remember where I heard / read this, but it was not my original idea:
Only one coin toss, at the begining of the game, if the game goes into overtime then the team who won the toss at the begining of the game gets their choice……eerrrrrrr gets the ball!
IMO this is a great idea, if a game is getting down to the wire and a coach knows he will not get the ball in OT he will likely make some more gutsy calls.
What’s everyone’s take on this?
That Rivers idiot in SD is laughing his ass off right now!
by nealjamb on Apr 3, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty cool idea, but still wouldn't improve fairness
I’d like to see that end-game strategy and see coaches go away from the "not to, but it still leaves too much to a coin toss, like the current system.
by ericj69 on Apr 3, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"not to = "not to lose" strategy.
It’s Friday; I apparently quit caring about finishing sentences.
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