Cutler to the Bears
by Manimal on Apr 2, 2009 4:28 PM CDT
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PrintJay Cutler is a Chicago Bear.
The Chicago Bears pulled the big upset Thursday afternoon by acquiring Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, a source told ESPN.com.
The Broncos confirmed the move.
Terms of the trade weren't immediately available, but the Bears had to beat out the Redskins, Buccaneers, Lions, Titans and other teams to get land the 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback.
The Broncos had been asking for at least two first-round choices.
Cutler asked to be traded when he found out first-year coach Josh McDaniels tried to acquire Matt Cassel in a trade with the Patriots.
Cutler had not returned phone calls from the Broncos, according to the team, and had been staying away from the offseason program.
John Clayton is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com
Source: ESPN
According to Jay Glazer, the Bears gave up two first round picks, a third round pick, and Kyle Orton.
Source: Access Vikings
Getting conflicting reports. Another source says that the Bears gave up Orton and two firsts, and the Broncos are sending Cutler and a third this year to Chicago.
Source: Bill Williamson, ESPN
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Bright side: no more talking aobut getting Cutler. Now we can all agree that he totally sucks, and that the Bears suck even more.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 2, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions
Congratulations Bears
I’m going to send Jay a big gift basket full of rich, tasty, sugary treats to help him celebrate his new team. Yeah, I went there.
by Eric J. Thompson on Apr 2, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions
wow...
… so very classy.
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by big_lowitzki on Apr 2, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Very classy...
And coming from a writer here. Wow.
I guess the classiness will never change over here… Keep setting the bar high DN.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Don't like it here?
Then hit the bricks
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Because "classy" is what blogs are all about
It’s a joke kids. Deal with it.
by Eric J. Thompson on Apr 3, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Technically, all joke are “classy” because they poke fun at some one or something.
But, by all means, Bear-visitors, continue on with your “Holier than thou” attitudes.
Not holier than thou
But just like the pot-shot at Stallworth on this site a while back, there are some things that just aren’t classy. But that of course is just my opinion.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
you know what they say about opinions!
why come to a rival site and preach to the fans here?
Stay on your own board and police the posts by your own fan base.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Not trying to preach...
But I was pointing out a classless comment by a writer at this site.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Noted
now run along.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey,
I am a member at this blog too. I’m not trolling, so there is no need to try and run me off :)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Can I ask...
Why that offends you?
It’s just me personally, but had the Vikings picked up Cutler, you can bet your ass I’d be posting Wilford Brimley all over the place. Why are some Bears’ fans taking offense?
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Not offended...
I just don’t think taking a shot at someone’s health condition is cool in my opinion. I mean, that’s a pretty serious thing he has to manage.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
You bet...
My best bud has diabetes and we played football in college so I know it can be rough in a normal life setting, much less a football setting. But it was honestly a harmless joke. I realize we’re Vikings’ fans and you are all Bears’ fans, so there’s somewhat of an unspoken (or sometimes very spoken) animosity between us, but there was no offense intended, of that I can assure you.
Why so sensitive? It’s a silly internet message board making silly internet comments.
Not trying to be hostile by any means; the Bears just got a lot better. Just relax, amgio, and enjoy your acquisition. Don’t let a rival’s message board get you down.
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Good enough.
Well said sir.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Bears paid a Kings ransom for him.
Couple of things though.
Who is going to block for him?
Who is he going to throw to?
Bears are lacking severly in the ‘supporting’ cast department.
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Well...
Over the last month they have picked up 3 linemen in FA including Orlando Pace.
He’s going to throw to Greg Olsen & Desmond Clark, Devin Hester and Earl Bennett (Cutler’s #1 receiver from Vanderbilt) and Matt Forte.
Obviously they aren’t the best linemen if they got released into FA. Pace is probably the best OL pick up you guys have gotten so far.
so...
… I take it you don’t think that T.O. is any good either, right?
There are many reasons NFL players get “released into FA.” Ability is just one of them.
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by big_lowitzki on Apr 3, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Orlando Pace was a salary cap casualty. He is a future hall of famer, and still has a lot of skills if he can remain healthy.
Frank Omiyale was a highly thought of player, but he was behind Jordan Gross at Carolina (Frank couldn’t be out the best tackle in football for a starting position, true enough). Carolina was unwilling to pay FA money for him to be a backup. Omiyale will compete for a starting position at guard.
Kevin Shaffer has 86 starts in 100 career games, and was a monster on the Dirty Birds Atlanta Falcons teams where he played left tackle. He was in Cleveland the last two seasons playing right tackle. The guy has a nasty streak and has the size to play guard as well, where he will likely end up with the bears.
Chris WIlliams, last year’s #1 pick was injured in pre-season, and will get a chance to show whether he was a boon or bust this year. Another natural left tackle.
Add this to center Olen Krutz (a pro bowler still in his prime) and Roberto Garza (another Dirty Bird and a player good enough to be chosen for the cover of the spanish version of Madden 2009) the Bears have greatly solidified the line.
On the end of the line the Bears have two tight ends that are amongst the best in the NFC.
The Bears have quietly been upgrading their line into a unit that should be quite good, but as always you never know how good a line is until they get a chance to work together and develop chemistry.
hehe...
Are you seriously judging a player’s worth based on Madden?
For the most part, I agree with you. But Madden? Seriously?
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by big_lowitzki on Apr 3, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
No
I just thought it was an interesting tidbit.
There are only (unbelievably) only 19 hispanic players in the NFL, so the pool isn’t very big to choose from if they want to put a hispanic player on the cover.
I was hoping...
that the result of all this would give me a true reason to despise him besides, “He’s a dick.”
Now I have it.
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New info regarding terms added
The Bears are supposedly getting the Broncos third round pick this year, as well as Orton.
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The Bears get a 5th rnd pick
not a 3rd
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 2, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
They still got swindled.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 2, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
My source?
Is NFL network good enough?
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 2, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't need to be hostile.
Just trying to figure out where you’re hearing it. Lots of conflicting reports.
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Herschel Walker II?
I see this as a Herschel Walker-to-the-Vikings deal for the Bears in essence, if not in magnitude. The Bears are giving up two first-round picks for a guy who hopefully will have an immediate impact, and giving up future improvement in return. (Trading away Orton is, admittedly, addition by subtraction.)
This presumably means the Bears will be drafting a wide-out in the first round, since they don’t have squat at that position now.
I am betting this deal falls flat for the Bears, much like the Herschel Walker deal fell through for the Vikings. The payoff for Denver won’t be as great as it was for Dallas, because Denver isn’t getting as much in return. Still, if I was a Broncos fan I would be celebrating this deal. Getting two first round picks for a malcontent is a pretty good deal, IMO.
by Midnight Rambler on Apr 2, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions
They traded their first rounder.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 2, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutler
Let me put it another way: I am glad the Vikings did not trade away two first-round picks for Cutler. Throw in Tarvaris Jackson with the two first-rounders, and it still isn’t a very good deal for the Vikings.
by Midnight Rambler on Apr 2, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
Better deal for the Vikings?
Perhaps. The Vikings have been a win-now team for at least 2 years, and their main problem has been ineffective QB play (and vanilla playcalling, supposedly because the QB couldn’t be trusted with many pass attempts or the full playbook). The Vikings needed this trade more than the Bears.
I think Cutler is for real, too. Unlike Cassel or any number of QBs who benefitted from short fields, being surrounded with great talent, and the like, Cutler has played on a team which did not give him short fields, although he did have a pretty effective line and running game (but not so much because of star players). With even better D and special teams in Chi-town, I think Cutler can improve the receivers’ performances and possibly lead the Bears to a playoff berth.
I’m only glad that the Vikings didn’t trade for Cutler because I’m skeptical about the Vikings’ ability to win it all now under Childress/Bevell, and the organization will certainly need an overhaul after the aging veterans on the roster wasted their prime and twilight of their careers playing for the most ineffective passing offense I’ve seen per $million of offensive payroll. If I’m wrong about Childress and Bevell, then the Vikings should have made this deal instead.
Congratulations to the Bears
On becoming the leading contender for the first wild-card spot and the #5 seed in the 2009 NFC playoffs.
Because that’s still the best they can hope for.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 2, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions
Lmao.
Sure it is. Drinking the Haterade much?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
New QB =/= Better Receivers
Improved, maybe. But as many have said, will it make Hester catch better? Run better routes? Etc.
Hester is a fast mo’fo, no doubt about it, and he could be a great receiver, but the Bears’ receivers are not the Broncos’ receivers. He will definitely have a decent running game this year, especially compared to the Broncos’ last year.
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Very true,
But Hester was still new to the position last year. He put up solid #2 numbers, and will hopefully improve greatly on his route-running and learning the position. I’m hoping that in a season or 2, especially with an improved OL and bringing in Cutler, Hester will become a true threat.
I’m seeing an improved OL with bringing in Pace, an improved QB position, an improved WR corp, a great duo of TEs, a work-horse RB in Forte, with Jones to spell him, a drastically improved DLine with Marinelli taking the reins, Lovie calling the defense, and getting help in the draft at WR and FS… things are definitely looking much better in Chicago.
I’m not one of the homers who think we are automatically Super Bowl contenders, but in a season or two, we will be very tough to deal with. The packers are still young, and they will be tough too. It will be very interesting to see the NFC north over the next few years…
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
I appreciate the realism...
And yes, the Bears, Vikings, and Packers should, in my opinion, duke it out for the NFC North Title this year. Obviously, I’m a little biased, but I still think the Vikings pull it out in the end, but a lot depends on our draft, as well as consistent quarterback play. I’m hopeful that one of our QBs will emerge as a consistent captain of the offense.
Do you think Lovie calling the defensive plays is good? If the defense falls on its face, he could be in serious trouble, no?
And I’m not trying to be hostile by any means, but how has the Bears’ receiving corps improved? I’m honestly curious, and don’t want to judge without knowing.
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1) Lovie calling the D is a good thing: One, it is what he is good at, and two if he fails, he is out the door.
2) With Hester and Bennett learning the position, and getting more comfortable, our WR corp will be greatly improved. Hester has out of this world talent, and Bennett should show some spark as well.
3) I don’t see any of your current QBs as capable of being a leader. I may be wrong, and good for the Vikes if I am, but TJ and Sage just don’t seem like a lot to have hope in.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
The same was said of our QB's last year and we
still won 10 games and the division.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hester
Hester didn’t have problems catching the ball last year. His biggest problem is that he is a deep threat and didn’t have a QB that could accurately get the ball to him.
Having said that, Hester is just one guy… at this point in his career, he is a not a #1 and we don’t HAVE a #1. Could he develop into one? We will see.
The Bears desperately need one or two veteran possession receivers, but so far this off season the team has been fixing needs so I for one am not going to really worry about that.
I do expect to see Torry Holt in a Bears uniform, and sooner rather than later.
About the only other receiver the Bears have that I think has a shot of anything this side of the Arena league is Earl Bennett. Bennett was Cutler’s favorite target in college, and they put up some scary numbers together. He was a complete non-factor last year, his rookie season, because he didn’t pick up the offense well and he had zero chemistry with Orton. Obviously, he’s a big question mark, but at least it will be interesting to see if he can play or if he is a draft bust.
Miami?
Didn’t Miami’s receiving corps seem to benefit from Pennington’s presence in 2008?
Hester can run go routes well enough, and now he’ll have someone with the arm strength and accuracy to complete those passes more often.
Don’t you think that the Bears could find a WR in the 2nd round later this month? I do.
We still do need a WR, yes.
And Hester isn’t the greatest route runner. He is new at the position, but he should be getting more comfortable this season.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
In other words
…an improvement of how many wins? If the Vikings could have improved by the same number of wins through the same trade (or even half as many, really), it would translate to home field advantage throughout the playoffs and probably an appearance in the NFC Championship game at the very least.
That’s true from the perspective of believing in Childress and Bevell, anyway, and I don’t. Really, anyone who says that Vikings’ draft picks are more valuable than Cutler is suggesting that the team is built to win now, but can’t because of a series of bad personnel and coaching decisions.
best news we've gotten in weeks
The Broncos have a better supporting cast than Chicago on offense. He’s gonna get his whiny a$$ handed to him by Allen and Co. twice a year. I can’t wait.
YES!
I’m glad someone said it….cuz I was going to if no one else did….I’ll enjoy seeing that face planted in the turf as well! LOL!
anywhere but there.....
this just made the north one of the top two conferences in football….just wait until the dust settles at the end of next season my friends…you’ll see then….
Don’t know about one of the top two, but it’s stock has definitely risen. It’ll definitely make for an interesting three team race. Interesting to me at least.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 2, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
they seem very happy...
over on the Bears page. They’re convinced that this one move makes them a favorite to contend for the Superbowl. I’m not so sure.
How so?
Does Rasheed Davis all of a sudden become a top flight wr?? No. Does Orlando Paces (they signed him today too BTW) shoulder problems dissapear? How’s Chris Williams back these days?
Has Hester learned how to catch yet?
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 2, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
that's too funny!
….super bowl contenders?…..wait till cutler gets his ass kicked around the field and scores no points with their pathetic offense….we all will be happily entertained watching cutler whine like a little girl on the sidelines as “zombie” smith stares blankly at him…..sweeet i say……
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I can't wait...
to change my image to Jared Allen sacking Jay Cutler. Should happen about 3 minutes into the 1st quarter of their 1st appearance, right??
WAYYYYY too big of a price tag. WAYYYYYYY too big.
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Lesie Frazier won't get much sleep tonight!
Nightmares of Earl Bennett and Rasheed Davis are going to keep him up at night for sure!! LMAO
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The bears biggest problem last year was that they had no real WRs and their D was old. They gave away their chances to fix that in the next 2 years. They aren’t a different team, than they sign a Pace, if they play him at RT its ok, but if they think he can play LT against Jared Allen and whoever the Packers are going to put out there they are crazy. I don’t see how this is good for Cutler or the Bears.
Jared Allen is to football what Jason Voorhees is to Lake Crystal.
Only thing that changes is that
Greg Olson now gets drafted waaaay to high in fantasy drafts!
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Think about This
Chiefs Get:
1st Round Pick (Pick 17)
3rd Round Pick (Pick 73)
3rd Round Pick (Pick 82)
6th Round Pick (Pick 182)
Vikings Get:
DE Jared Allen
6th Round Pick (Pick 187)
OR
Broncos Get:
1st Round Pick (Pick 18)
1st Round Pick in 2010 (TBD)
3rd Round Pick (Pick 84)
QB Kyle Orton
Bears Get:
QB Jay Cutler
5th Round Pick (Pick 149)
Comparing the trades, I’m taking the 1st one every time.
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Imagine how Orton feels
being told he’s 2 1st rounders and a 3rd rounder worse than Jay Cutler.
V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!
And a much worse division. The Chargers are the only team that’ll give them a run for there money (whatever that’s worth. 8 wins won it last year). He’ll get to face the Chiefs and Raiders twice a year. He has Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal. Kyle Orton is definitely better off.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 2, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Congratulations, Bears.
You overpayed for this guy. He better have a Drew Brees season to make up for what you gave him away for. Still, Orton wasn’t terrible in the offense, so it should be better with Jay.
It’ll be interesting to see if, with the addition of Cutler, Lovie Smith decides the Bears are still a run-first team.
is Cutler a free agent after this year?
Did the Bears extend him?
2 first rounders is too much. Good luck building your shitty team with no draft picks, or keeping happy a guy like Cutler with no talent around him.
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Right but I guarantee you the new contract talk
will start by this summer.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah
Not this summer… that will wait until about 4 games into the season.
Another thing to consider is how this affects the Bears in the terms of the cap… Chicago will not be having to pay two first round draft picks that first round money before the Bears even know whether the person even has the ability to play in the league.
That leaves room for filling hose in FA and for retaining potential losses to free agency.
Just sayin.
BTW I am a Bears fan, so of course I think the Vikings totally suck. BUT… you guys don’t suck half as bad as the Packers!
I don't want to overreact but...
this is a HUGE problem for the Vikes. Yeah, the Bears suck in a lot of other departments, but all they need is a few weapons and this could get scary.
At least they paid an arm and a leg.
From a Vikings’ draft perspective, this is a positive development. The Bears had some similar major needs to the Vikings (OT, WR, and CB); Denver will likely be looking for front-7 3-4 types and maybe now a QB. So, maybe that’s one less slot to worry about taking a player the Vikings might like.
I don’t think we can say the Bears got Hercheled. At least not yet. It was a steep price and considering the circumstances, Denver did an outstanding job (I actually think I’d like this better than Matt Cassel, which started this whole thing). But a young, stud QB? That’s one of the most valuable assets you can get. They’ve already signed Pace, who’s adequate. They may as well sign Pace’s old teammate Torry Holt now and go for it.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see how this works out for both parties. Also, now that he’s in the NFC North, do you think the fact that “elements in the Vikings’ coaching staff” not being sold on Cutler will be bulletin board material?
It can be bulletin board material all they want it to be. Honesty, their defense isn’t any better than it was last year. It’s just a year older at this point. Yeah, Cutler is better than Orton, but we’ll have to see how he does in the new system, with lesser WRs, where they prefer to run over passing. He definitely won’t see the same yardage that he saw before.
I’m sure Jared Allen is looking forward to getting reaquainted with Cutler.
That’s right, they used to be in the same division. I completely forgot about that. I bet Jay forgot about that little tidbit.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 2, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Hello there, Mr. Cutler, welcome to the NFC North. I'm Jared and I'll be showing you to your seat.
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I bet Jared
gets fined BOTH Bears games this season cuz he knocks the little bastard out too hard…..HA!
awww
you could have at least got a non-photoshopped pic of him
:)
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I love that Quote!!!
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by the Real Thor on Apr 3, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Love it.
Is it just me, or does that purple in the picture seem way too bright?
by Eric J. Thompson on Apr 3, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
People in purple
Are never too bright…
(Sorry, it was just too easy… I tried to resist, I really did… but…)
Oh man
I really walked into that one. Touché.
by Eric J. Thompson on Apr 3, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I like this scenario...
Either of our DE vs. Orlando Pace will be very fruitful…I know Jay can run and he’ll have to do plenty of it at least twice a year. Bears gave up tooooooo much to get Cutler and in the end the Vikes didn’t have what Denver wanted. Still hoping for some sort of deal before draft day like we pulled off last year with Jared…we’ll see.
So friggin' lame
I know some of you will flame me, and I don’t really care. I am sick of this team never making the big improvement at the most important position – Quarterback. They seem to be stuck on stupid. I have a right to make my own assessment and I really hate Tarvarass and have no reason to be excited about Sage or Bootlicker. They pretty much stink and are just nowhere near Pro Bowl caliber signal callers. Not even close. I have a right to feel disgusted and dejected if we’ re actually going to go into the season with these never-was guys behind Center. If we had made a few more smart FA moves and maybe traded for a Leftwich or McNabb or Kolb or someone decent, I wouldn’t feel so sick in the wake of the Cutler trade to the Bears/ That is a flat-out DOUBLE loss to the Vikings and anyone who won’t man up and admit it is a puss.
And I have a right to say
you don’t know a whole lot about your talking about! And it’s hard to take your opinion serious when you post like a 12 yr old. Really, Tarvarass? Bootlicker?
You say that our current QB’s are poor but then you want a guy like Leftwich? Kolb? What exactly has either done that would even interest a team like the Vikings? Has Kolb even gotten off the bench yet in his career?
Stick to your video games and fantasy football drafts. Leave the real football talk to the grown ups ok.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bears didnt overpay
I hate the Bears as much as the next guy, but they pulled the trigger quick so that the deal didnt fall through and have Orton cry about not being wanted.
Agreed that they dont have offensive weapons, BUT I agree with building from the QB out. They seem to have a decent RB, they got Pace, and will look for another lineman in the draft (draft is stacked with OL) and hope Hester wakes from his idiot coma.
The only way the Vikings can make up for such a lame offseason is by trading up to get Crabtree/Maclin and signing Holt. Sarvaris Jacksenfels is decent at best, but can be above average with this QB battle coming up.
I dont wish Cutler the best in Chicago because he IS going to get snowplowed into the dirt/astro turf.
Trading up that far...
Would cost more than Cutler!
Well, maybe not that much, but it would be a TON.
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There are a couple of Falicies here
First, you build from the line out, not from the QB out. building from the QB out is garenteed to keep you drafting high. Look at the history of teams that tried to start witht he QB and build out from there. Akili Smith was a sure fire, can’t fail QB. So was David Carr. Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Cade McNown the list goes on. all of those teams would have been better off focusing on a different position. Now some people will say, “but look at Matt Ryan.” Atlanta had a lot better line then any one thought and that is why Matt Ryan did well there.
Wide Recievers also have a huge bust rate in the first round Troy williamson and Detroit should give you all the lessons you need on 1 round Wide outs. I would wager that late first round recievers fare better then early first rounders. trading up for a Wide out is a bad idea. If Sidney Rice imporves (and stays healthy) then our Wide outs are not as bad as some people seem to think.
Would I like to see a better QB situation for my Beloved Purple? Absolutely, but not at the price the Bears paid. I would consider giving 1 first rounder, Chester Taylor and Denvers choice of either Sage or T-Jack., but that is not were I would have started, just were I would have been willing to end.
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by the Real Thor on Apr 3, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
With all due respect
All of the QB’s you mentioned were guys who were busts coming out of the draft.
A more fair comparison would be to find guys who changed teams the year after they raked the league for 4500 yards and then played in the Pro-Bowl.
Yes, I am a Bears fan, but I think building around a guy who has shown that he can play (and like Cutler or don’t, he has shown he can throw the mellon in the big leagues… well, if you can call the PATHETIC AFC West the big leagues) is totally different than the guys you were talking about who were busts from the start.
I don’t disagree with your overall premise though, I think you are right about how to build a team starting from the line out.
Derek Anderson made the probowl too after he 'raked' the league.
Let’s not pretend the pro bowl nomination is all of a sudden a great indicator of supreme talent.
Cutler is a good looking player but he has hardly established himself as one the leagues elite, despite what the talking heads on ESPN say.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Even so...
Throwing for 4,500 yards isn’t something that comes easy, especially when opposing defenses absolutely know you’re going to be passing the ball. Cutler is good. No doubt about it. And he hasn’t even hit his prime.
The Bears are a much better team having Cutler, no doubt. They still need to improve, and having him doesn’t make them Super Bowl contenders, but it does make them a more legitimate football team. Last year could have been vastly different if the Bears had Cutler instead of Orton. The Vikings’ defense has a whole new set of things to worry about from Chicago now.
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Very true on his passing yardage.
Teams did know they were throwing… they sent 42 RBs to the IR!
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
I disagree. I don't think the Bears will be that much better.
At least not THIS year.
Orton wasn’t the biggest problem last season for them. Their poor offensive line, lack of legit wr’s in the passing game, and piss poor defense (by Chicago standards) where much bigger issues then the play of Kyle Orton.
Now is Cutler a more talented QB than Orton? Of course, thats a no brainer. But who’s to say Jay fits in Chicago? Who says he’s going to have instant chemistry with their below average wr’s? How is he going to adjust going from a pass happy offense to a run first offense?
It would not surprise me one bit to see the Bears regress record wise next season.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Their poor offensive line, lack of legit wr’s in the passing game, and piss poor defense (by Chicago standards) where much bigger issues then the play of Kyle Orton.
And to address these things, we have signed 3 OLinemen, have young WRs that are improving, and have Marinelli working on the DLine with Lovie calling the plays.
I’m not saying we are ready to be “all that”… but we have certainly (finally) started improving where we lack. To say that we will be the same in 2009 as we were in 2008 is silly.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
You are saying you are ready to be all that.
You have annointed your self the division favorite already in april!
we are an improving team and stand to get better after the draft. To infer the Vikings can’t improve over last season is beyond silly.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummm...
I never once mentioned (or inferred) the Vikes not improving. I simply responded to your comments on the state of the Bears.
And by “all that” I meant that a lot of other Bears fans are trying to wear the championship crown already. I’m not at all thinking we are there yet. But yes, I do think we are the North favorites now.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
As a Bears' fan...
I’d expect no less =)
I certainly feel the Vikings are the favorites.
And I’d reckon the Packers think they have a good shot, too.
The Lions, well, they get a pass this year.
It should be a pretty heated three way race for #1 in the divison.
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The Pack,
not yet.
But, don’t step in and distract from Unclebilly… I’m having a time with him. :)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
Sorry, aside from QB
we are better up and down the entire roster. And considering the phillosophy of both teams is pretty similar your advantage at QB is thus negated.
Vikings were the better team last season and will continue to be so this season while I will conced the gap has narrowed by a little with you getting Cutler.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
So, essentially your response
to everything I’ve countered with (on the OL, the WR, the DL, overall D, etc.) is just “Nuh-uh, we’re still better.”
LOL. Awesome. Thanks for playing.
I’ll check back in with y’all Monday. Have a great weekend!
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
In this case, the response is correct. Orton didn’t play bad in the games you played against us, at the very least. It was the defense that let you down. And the Bears have done nothing to improve that.
-1.
The Bears added one of the best DLine coaches in the NFL to their staff, and gave the defensive playcalling over to Lovie Smith. That is what we have done so far to improve that.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
best DLine coaches in the NFL?
I sure hope for your sake he’s a better DLine than Head Coach! Hahahaha
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Apr 5, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, one of the best in the league.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi)
Dude, for serious? 1986 was 23 years ago.
Can we drop it?
-halfblindcubbiegirl
So...
I have a number of feelings about this deal. I definitely think that the Bears overpaid, but that doesn’t mean that they won’t be a better team next year. They do have a few decent receiving options, and Cutler will likely make them look better. I guess what concerns me is now that he’s in our division, if he does well, the Vikings will be jabbed by every jackass in the sports media world for not making the trade. I still don’t think it would have been a good idea to get him on our team for a number of reasons, but now if he turns out to be the next Brett Favre, we have to hear about it all….the……time.
Here’s hoping he sucks big time. At the very least the rest of their team will be in a shambles with no top talent coming in. Definitely a high chance of being mediocre, and Cutler getting hurt from too many Jared Allen/Kevin Williams sandwiches.
Problem is, Cutler even plays like Favre. Big arm, big numbers, some really bad mistakes, and an exceptionally large ego.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 3, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Chicago isn’t going to throw the ball as much as they did in Denver. Expect Cutler’s numbers to drop dramatically.
Oh I do. Especially with who he’s got to throw to.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 3, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
So then I guess we all can expect
the retirement talk to start next off season with Jay! :)
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Cutler may be the new Favre
This is going to make for a very interesting 2009 season. We’re going to see exactly and intimately how much difference a Pro Bowl QB can make, playing for one of our chief rivals.
If it works, everyone’s going to talk about how brilliant the Bears were to pull this off. If it doesn’t work out, they’re going to talk about how the Bears have just put in place a cornerstone around which to rebuild a championship team for the next decade. It just makes it that much worse that he’s in the Vikings’ backyard.
Personally, I think the Bears did very well for themselves in this trade, and there’s a great chance that Vikings fans will grow to hate Cutler every bit as much as they hated Favre, and for much the same reasons.
I would be surprised if
the Bears are able to resign Cutler once his rookie contract expires. after he sees that he has no worth while targets to throw too, and no way to get new talant he will be playing on a mediocre team with aging players, no youth on the way. I see him demanding to be traded again in 2 years. just in time for the bears next first round pick.
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by the Real Thor on Apr 3, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
He'll get an extension...
Before the season starts. If not then, soon after. The Bears would not mortgage their draft this year, and next year, and not get Cutler to stick around for at least six to seven years.
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Cutler will basically demand one if it doesn’t come soon enough. There’s no way this trade wasn’t at least partly about money.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 3, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
One thing about the Bears
They are not afraid to extend the players they want to keep.
Sometimes, that is a BAD thing… think about how loyal they were to that idiot Rex.
For good or for bad, Cutler is in Chicago to stay. Worst case they keep him through the end of his rookie contract then they franchise him twice… that’s still 5 years.
They won’t, though. They will extend him.
And I have to disagree. It was good of them to get Cutler, because he’s an obvious upgrade over their current QBs, but to get him for what they gave up makes the deal ridiculous. To justify it, they need to make it deep into the playoffs this upcoming season. And I find it hard to see them doing that. Cutler is now on a team with the cupboard bare on offense, with the exception of Olson, Hester, and Forte. The defense is better than Denver’s, but it showed its age fast last year.
People value draft picks way too much, especially first rounders. In my mind there isn’t much difference in talent between a late first round pick all the way to about the third round. Let’s take a peek at history with Chicago’s last 10 1st rounders.
2008-Chris Williams OT (14th)
2007-Greg Olsen TE (31st)
2005-Cedric Benson (4th)
2004-Tommie Harris DT (14th)
2003-Michael Haynes DE (14th), Rex Grossman (22nd)
2002-Marc Colombo OT (29th)
2001-David Terrel WR (8th)
2000-Brian Urlacher (9th)
1999-Cade McNown QB (14th)
What a bunch of studs! Tell me you wouldnt trade 2, if not 3 of those for Jay?
Of course, those two first round picks could be the next Marino/Rice, but I really doubt it. I guess it’s human nature to take something that “could be better” (picks), for bonafide talent. Not to mention, we’re being slightly hypocritical since we did a similar trade for a lesser need/talent in Jared Allen. He also came with a few red flags (DUI).
Who would you rather have Jay Cutler + 3rd back, or Jared Allen + 1st back.
I’d take Jay +3rd imo.
Point is, draft picks are a cluster fuck. Two firsts for a QB that will likely be good-great for the next ten years isn’t that big of a deal, especially when Cutler was a high first himself a few years back, so in essence the Broncos got one first + orton + third or fifth for their initial first round investment three years ago, I’m sure if you ask any Bronco fan, they’re totally raging.
And it isn’t just about next year, it’s about the FUCKING BEARS having found a viable starting QB that is still growing that they can build their team around for the next ten years.
Last point, name the only QB in the last eight years who wasn’t Brady, Manning Bros, or Big Ben to win a super bowl. You need a good to great QB in this league usually to win championships.
One more thought, didn’t Tampa trade two first round picks for a head coach (Gruden) in 2001 or 2002?
So basically, you’re saying Chicago could be missing out on the next Brian Urlacher the next two years. Yeah, obviously they’ve had some bad picks in the first round. Every team has.
I could understand your point, if the Bears were a young team. But they aren’t. On either side of the ball. The strength of their defense is getting old fast. And their O-Line isn’t getting any younger either. The fact they have to wait about two years to even BEGIN building around Cutler is why the price they paid is so ridiculous. The best target Cutler has to work with on that offense right now is Greg Olson. That’s not even close to the offensive weapons he had in Denver. He gets a better running game, but a much lesser passing game.
So by the time the Bears are finally ready to give him what he needs, unless they get extremely good value out of their lower-round picks, which the odds are against, the core of their defense is going to be shot, Cutler will be on the last year of his contract (if he doesn’t sign one until then, which I do find unlikely) and their offensive line is going to be in shambles. It’ll pretty much be what Cutler had in Denver. They’ve entered win-now mode, while missing alot of pieces still.
Do you really believe that because they lost three possible players, granted two firsts and a third/fifth will totally shot down their ability to rebuild. Do you really think those three players would of had a huge impact on the Bears immediately/in five years? If you look at their draft history the last ten years, history says, “probably not.” The Bears also have a young franchise type runner, talented young te (arguable >scheffler), Cutler’s #1 target from college Earl Bennet, and Hester. If orton can get 3000/18 TD, imagine what Cutler can do. I disagree with your win-now window mode for the Bears since Cutler is 25. Granted they have a much better opportunity of “winning now” than they had before the trade. They’ve made an investment in a franchise QB for the next ten years. Also, I don’t see this OLD D at all. Briggs is 28, Charles Tillman 27, Tommie Harris 25, Ogunleye is 31, Brown 29, Urlacher 30, Vasher 27. In fact, the only starters above 30 are Urlacher, Ogunleye, and Mike Brown. Their O-line is in trouble, but if they move Pace to RT, and he can remain relatively healthy, it will shore them up a lot. I hate to admit it, but they do have time, and they do have talent. It just sucks it had to be the bears.
The problems the Bears had last season that kept
them out of the playoffs are still there today even with Cutler on the roster.
Orton wasn’t the problem down the stretch.
Meanwhile, in Denver with a 2 or 3 game lead in the division Cutler pretty much sucked and the Bronco’s blew it!
yes, I realize that their defense was horrid but take a look at Cutlers numbers down the stretch! Far from ’Franchse" type numbers.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Cutler was playing @Panthers, and @SD 2/3 last games. If you remember correctly the Panthers should of spanked them, and SD was on a hot streak playing at home for their playoffs. Tough to win games when you have to score more than 30 twice (Panthers/Bills), and 52 once (Chargers).
Orton wasn’t the problem? He certainly wasn’t the solution, and to think that there wouldn’t be a relative increase in their passing/running production w/ Cutler instead of Orton is just plain silly/ignorant.
Oh yea, and about that defense, Cutler is 11-1 when his defense holds the opposing offense to 21 points or less.
And Jackson is 9-3
so based on that incredibly rediculous stat do we then put Jackson on the same level and if so, then why all the fuss about the Vikings not getting Cutler.
I would be willing to be my next paycheck that most NFL QB’s have an impressive W/L record when their defense holds the opposing offense to 21 points or less.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, 21 isn’t good enough, thought it was pretty average scoring for the NFL (Edit, 12-1) Let’s take the league leading offense Saints 28.9 PPG, Jay is 14-7 beginning from his ROOKIE year when the opposing team scores less than 28.9 PPG against him. How is this relevant? If his defense shows up he usually wins games.
The same can be said for almost ALL NFL QB's
If their defense shows up, they win a lot more then they lose. Period.
Thats the worst stat! And people have been tossing it around to pump up Cutler. It;’s a joke.
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by Unclebillybonz on Apr 3, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
realize this is old as shit, but the stat is valid, and the defense allowing 28.9 PPG isn’t showing up, it’s actually very, very below average. If you actually read my post if was from the league leading offense (saints). All the stat shows, is when his defense plays below average, he has the ability to coordinate an offensive attack that will win the majority of the games. Hope you enjoy Hospital Harvin and Rosencopter.
Chicago could also...
Be missing out on the next Erasmus James, Troy William or Kenechi Udeze (who in all seriousness I really feel sorry for, guy had some really tough breaks and deserved much better).
For every Adrian Peterson there is a Cedrick Benson.
Yes, they could be missing out on the next Brian Urlacher… or the could be missing out on the next person who will get paid tens of millions of dollars and never amount to ANYTHING in the league.
The draft is a total crap shoot.
No way Cutler puts up #'s like last year....
…no line to protect him and no B. Marshall. Bears don’t have much of a draft this year or next and they’ve got too many holes to fill. I don’t think Cutler faced a line like ours in the AFC West and he’ll be in for a rude awakening. Welcome to the Black n Blue division Mr. Cutler!
The line...
Isn’t nearly as bad as most people think, with a lot of new blood already hired.
WR is definitely not good, you are absolutely correct.
The Bears have 8 picks in this year’s draft, however, including at least one in every round except the first… that’s not exactly “not much of a draft”.
I still need someone to explain how Cutler is a 'sure' thing?
When the Vikings traded for Allen they got a player who was with out question, top 3 in the league.
Cutler is middle of the road. Yes, he’s young and has all the physical tools (funny, so does Jackson) but he hasn’t done SQUAT! He didn’t win in college, he hasn’t won in the NFL, he has medical issues and obviously is a bit of a head case.
Plus he’s gonna want a mega contract in the next yr or so. The ceiling on his “potential” is awesome, but is is far from a proven QB.
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I read somewhere, PFT maybe, that the McDaniels thought Cutler reached the ceiling last season, which is part of the reason they wanted to trade him.
Not trashing him because of diabetes.....
…but because he’s a whiny little bia.
Sure Feels Good
to see all the guys firing on all cylinders at the trollers again. It’s almost like the season is just around the corner….
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