Pat White Visits the Minnesota Vikings
by Gonzo on Apr 22, 2009 8:39 PM CDT
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Yesterday, we talked about a versatile player that may have fallen off the Vikings' radar due largely to his off-the-field foibles in Florida's Percy Harvin. Word has come today from the folks at Fox Sports that the Vikings got a visit today from another multi-faceted talent that could have a big impact on Minnesota's offense if he were utilized properly.
West Virginia quarterback Pat White, the NCAA's all-time leader in rushing yards by a quarterback, paid a visit to the folks at Winter Park today. White is an interesting prospect, to say the least. He was an extremely dynamic offensive player for the Mountaineers, having been named the Big East Offensive Player of the Year twice to go along with his records and his almost total rewriting of the Mountaineers' record books. But opinions on what White is going to end up as at the next level vary greatly depending on who you ask.
There are many people out there that assume that, in order to make it at the NFL level, that Pat White is going to have to change positions, and that theory has a bit of merit to it. He's a bit small for a QB at the NFL level, measuring in at about 6 feet tall and a shade under 200 pounds, and would need to work on his accuracy in order to be a successful NFL quarterback. He also has outstanding open field running skills, great quickness, and is said to be a very intelligent player.
However, there's actually a pretty wide-spread difference of opinion as to whether or not he's a legitimate quarterback prospect or not. Scott Wright over at NFL Draft Countdown says that White is the #11 rated QB prospect in the draft, behind such luminaries as Central Washington's Mike Reilly, Louisville project Hunter Cantwell, and Texas Tech system QB Graham Harrell, and places a mid-round grade on him. Mike Mayock of the NFL Network and Sports Weekly's NFL Draft Preview both have White ranked as the #4 QB prospect, and Sports Weekly projects White to go in the second or third round on Saturday. Our own Mocking the Draft says that White is a third-round prospect, but says that he probably won't be a QB at the NFL level.
Now, because of the fact that he'll have a lower price tag, and the fact that I, quite frankly, think he's a better football player, I wouldn't have nearly the heartburn with the Vikings taking Pat White in Round 2 or 3 of this year's draft that I'd have with taking Percy Harvin in Round 1. White has every bit of the versatility that Harvin does, plus the additional ability to get behind center at least occasionally. In my opinion, he's as fast as Harvin, as quick as Harvin, and doesn't have the type of injury history that Harvin has. Again, as I said in yesterday's article, I'm not sure if the current regime would be able to utilize him properly, but it would be worth a third-round pick to find out. . .and possibly a second, if the Vikings' war room doesn't think he's going to fall that far.
What say you, folks? Would you rather see the Vikings grab Percy Harvin in Round 1, Pat White in Round 2, pass on both guys. . .or, hey, draft them both (keeping in mind that the team has other needs as well)? Discuss it here, and we'll be back with more tomorrow!
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He has the potential to be a talent, but would Childress know what to do with him? Not to be negative, but creative offensive potential is hardly his calling card. But he seems like a good kid, and could provide some energy.
by revprodeji on Apr 22, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They’ve been interested in Harvin and now White. Maybe they really will make an effort to land a dynamic, versatile player in hopes of fielding one more playmaker.
Childress and his tight sphincter notwithstanding, I could be ok with White, provided they’re confident he could play the slot/KR role well (not necessarily a slam dunk). Particularly if they, say, took Britton in the 1st. (And who knows, maybe Chilly will prove us misguided, as he’s never really had a versatile offensive weapon to play with).
Antwaan Randle El was a 2nd round pick, and he’s proven to be a solid return man, and good for 30-50 catches per year at about a 12 yard per catch clip. Plus, of course, tossing the occasional pass.
by jianfu on Apr 22, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stay away from him. And stay away from Tebow next year. Tarkenton’s time has come to an end, the years of a scrambler doing well are pretty much over.
by Frost on Apr 22, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And that’s based on what? Is it that the front lines of all the NFL offenses are so rock-solid that no one can ever get through to the QB and sack him? Or maybe because pocket passers have all the time in the world to lounge about, waiting for their slow-azz receivers to get open? Why scramble about and buy time when you can go toe-to-toe with Jared Allen and spit in his eye, daring him to try to pull you down?
by DCPurple on Apr 23, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because scrambling about will just get you sacked for a larger loss. Not to mention that its harder to throw properly while on the run. Just look at Michael Vick. He was the epitome of a scrambling QB. Fun to watch. Not very productive in the passing game though. Which is what you need from a QB. If I had to pick between a scrambler or a pocket passer, I’m taking the pocket passer.
by Frost on Apr 23, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scrambling
I think that if you have pocket passer, and a decent line, that’s what you go with. But if you have a scrambler, you exploit that and develop his ability to wait for a target to come open while he keeps the play alive. Scrambling doesn’t necessarily mean making a run past the line of scrimmage. If Vick’s passing game wasn’t all it could be, that’s not a knock on scrambling, it’s a knock on Vick’s ability to maintain awareness of his receivers after he started running, and get the ball to them.
The problem isn’t scrambling in and of itself, especially if you don’t have a line that can provide you with enough protection and time for your receivers to get open… it’s not having a QB who can actually do the job well. Nothing’s changed in the NFL that changes this.
by DCPurple on Apr 24, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do keep in mind that Mike Vick was far from the epitome of a scrambling quarterback. He was very athletic and lighting fast, but his accuracy was absolutely horrible. Cunningham,Young, and of course Tarkenton were all accurate, effective scrambling quarterbacks. Up until Marino, it was a scrambling quarterback that held every major passing record. If this kid has a quick release and can be accurate on the run then I’d much rather have a scrambler because he’s a much greater challenge to opposing defenses.
by Gunner2154 on Apr 24, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't draft a QB
Unless Minnesota is not happy with Booty, I think the Vikings are happy with their QB situation and are not eager to add another ‘project’ to a team that has dang near all the pieces to make a great Super Bowl run.
I only see them taking White if they miss out on Havin or some other type of speedster and grab a Right Tackle with an early pick. I’m not opposed to White, but they would not draft him to compete with JDB, they will pick up an undrafted free agent for that.
by DBQViking on Apr 22, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be more happy with Tyler Thigpen than Booty.
Booty is a career backup, we are not looking for a career backup.
by Bjorno on Apr 22, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too early to evaluate
You’re basing this off his very first pre-season where Chase Johnson was letting defenders past him non-stop. It wasn’t impressive, but I think it’s just too soon to say he’s gonna be a career backup.
by Frost on Apr 22, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat White didnt play WR, RB, KR, PR in college. He’s much more of a risk than Percy Harvin.
by LoveBoat1 on Apr 22, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But also a lower price tag.
In AP I trust
by FarvaForTheVikings on Apr 22, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Using a 2nd round pick on experimenting when we have needs is not the right road.
I also agree with Forst. Athletic, scambling QB’s are fun, but when you have to throw on the run it gets difficult plus your down field scope becomes focused on one reciever. You’ve lost your ability to check down.
Why do people blast Booty based on a few pre-season plays with the 3rd team. Every one talks about how it takes time to groom a NFL QB, give him time to learn and then they are ready to give up on JDB because of being put in scrum situations. Way too early to say he is a backup. I like the fact you don’t hear him whining about lack of opportunities. He knows he is “in school” give him a chance to learn. Shoot, we tossed Thigpen away. Favre was given away by the Falcons way back. He wasn’t exactly a household name and he learned a few things while hanging around.
by CitrusFLViking on Apr 23, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the eyes, man...
I will forever associate JDB with wide open eyes that convey an impression of absolute panic, lol.
by DCPurple on Apr 24, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would be ok with them drafting him in round 3
Danoo
by Danoo on Apr 22, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's The Size of the Fight in the Dog Not The Size of the Dog in the Fight
Fran Tarkenton was no taller than Pat White and weighed ten pounds less, (and that was probably after Thanksgiving dinner). Interview the now retired defenders who tried to catch Fran and see how many of them vote that he was too small to play and very easy to stop.
by Elgar on Apr 22, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In Tarkenton’s time, all the other players were different as well. Not as well-muscled and built for speed as they are today. All the state-of-the-art equipment and knowledge that exists nowadays is virtually breeding supermen in football. Too bad the size of the heart in each player didn’t increase as well.
by Lofoten on Apr 23, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat White
Could be huge bargain in the fact that there’s no reason he can’t play 2 positions for your team. If we drafted him as WR/KR there’s no reason he couldn’t also learn QB and maybe be the third guy there whenever we dump one of out other 3. He’s got a legit shot at being an NFL qb and he has rare running abilities. I would have no problem with him in the 2nd round, and the 3rd round would be a steal.
by NYCVike on Apr 22, 2009 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Mayock adores Pat White, and has stated he’d love to see a team play him in the Wildcat his rookie year and then develop him as a full time QB his second year.
Childress has stated his feelings on the Wildcat, so if they drafted White it’s likely they’d play him primarily in the slot and as a returner (which is fine, provided A) they’re right that he can do that and B) he can do it as well as other prospects who will available when they pick). But playing White and Peterson together in a Wildcat formation, with presumably a reinforced right side of the line, and downfield guys like Berrian and Rice…that’s got some interesting potential. What do you do if you’re the safeties facing that? If you play up to stop the run, White’s got plenty arm to take advantage of single coverage on Berrian and Rice. If you stay back AP and White are going to run it.
Whoever ends up taking him, White will be one of the more interesting guys in this draft to follow.
by jianfu on Apr 22, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LISTEN TO ME...
YOU HAVE NOTHING STABLE IN MINNESOTA, I LOVE YA’LL IM SORRY, BUT MY DREAM SCENARIO IS THAT YOU TAKE BOTH HARVIN, AND WHITE… BUT MOSTLY WHITE. THE VIKING WOULD HAVE ONE OF THE MOST UNSTOPPABLE OFFENSES I THINK THE NFL HAS EVER SEEN… WHITE WILL ELEVATE YOUR TEAM TO A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, AND IF IT WAS HARVIN, AND PETERSON IN THE BACKFIELD WITH WHITE, DARIUS IN THE SLOT, RICE, AND BERRIAN ON THE OUT SIDE. OMG….OMG….OMG
THAT WOULD BE THE SICKEST OFFENSE THIS LEUGE HAS EVER SEEN… I WOULD BET MY LIFE ON IT… BUT YOU GOTTA MOVE UP TO DO IT,
54TH IS NOT GONNA DO IT…
IN THE SECOND ROUND YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF 10 TEAM THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN WHITE. OUT OF THOSE 10 TEAMS THEY HAVE 13 PICKS IN THE SECOND ROUND, AND IF YOU THINK THE “PATS” ARE GONNA PASS ON WHITE 3 TIMES IN THE 2ND YOUR CRAZY, YOU WORKED HIM OUT ONCE, THEY WORKED HIM OUT TWICE! SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE UP AS EARLY AS 34 PICK… U COULD DO IT IF YOU GIVE UP THE 54 AND 86, BUT I GIVE YOU MY WORD MY FRIEND IF YOU ALL DONT PULL THE TRIGGER BY THE 47 PICK YOUR DONE… THERE ARE TWO MANY TEAMS WITH INTEREST… AND I LIKE YOUR ALLS THE BEST… I KNOW YOUR SHAKY ON PERCY HARVIN, BUT DONT, HE IS A URBAN MEYER BOY… HE WILL BE FINE… POT IS NOT AS BAD AS SAY HEROIN… HE’S A KID… CHILL OUT HIM… AND WITH HIM ON THE SQUAD WITH PAT, THERE IS ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THE TYPE OF QB PAT WHITE IS…
GOOD LUCK, I TRULY BELIEVE THE VIKINGS ARE THE BEST FIT FOR BOTH HARVIN, AND WHITE…
THE BADEST OFFENSE IN THE WORLD…
by Johnny Harmonic on Apr 23, 2009 12:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree the offense would be prolific....
…if the personnel was used to potential. I don’t know if that is going to happen with the Childress regime.
Who is Darius?
NO NEED FOR ALL CAPS!!!
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Apr 23, 2009 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darius Reynaud. Our returnman. He looked pretty good in the preseason catching passes from Frerotte.
by Frost on Apr 23, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Passed on reading this post
simply for the fact that it is in all caps. Too hard on my eyes.
by Lofoten on Apr 23, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Psh, I doubt that it’d top the Patriots record setting offense. And let’s not get over our head here. I think you’re overevaluating White. He’s got talent, obviously, but who knows if it will translate to the NFL. This is the cream of the crop of football. Plenty of big impact guys in college take a few steps back in the new league.
Personally, I’d be against it if they drafted White. I don’t see how he’s going to make the QB situation any better. A bit more exciting, maybe, but not better. But I would be excited to see how he performs, just in case he proves me wrong. Still, I’d have to say pass on him. I doubt he’s going to be taken as high as the second or third round. Booty was supposed to be 2nd or 3rd last year, and he dropped to 5th.
by Frost on Apr 23, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I promise he wont fall
we will take again on sunday…lol
by Johnny Harmonic on Apr 23, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol And I will probably say “I can’t believe somebody took him that high.”
by Frost on Apr 23, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. I hate you.
I can’t stand all caps. Please, go away!
Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Apr 23, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All caps is fun!
Just imagine Stephen A. Smith is saying it while you read the post. It’s hilarious.
by ericj69 on Apr 23, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we could have Stephen A. Smith duel with Samuel L. Jackson for all CAPS posts.
by cutlassbob on Apr 23, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
swear to god...
in the moment i felt like Skip Bayless
by Johnny Harmonic on Apr 23, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No need to hate.
Maybe he injured his left pinky.
Norm Green still sucks!
by diok9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than one "shift" button!
Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Apr 23, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft White! Draft Tebow!
Throw away as many draft picks as possible, year after year, chasing down the rare and elusive creature, the Franchise QB out of College! That’s certainly a much better way of doing business than trading a handful of picks for a proven top tier QB!
After all, you can’t have too much Booty on your team.
by DCPurple on Apr 23, 2009 7:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heyyyy...wait a second...
You’re being sarcastic aren’t you? :)
by ericj69 on Apr 23, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Bitter. Let's not forget Bitter :)
by DCPurple on Apr 24, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're Vikings fans.
That goes without saying.
by ericj69 on Apr 24, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's take care of our more glaring needs first.
If we already have picked up a solid OT and WR and he’s still there in the 4th round or later, then I’d think about it. But we can’t use a high draft pick on another experiment.
We’ll never get both Harvin and White, but could you imagine BOTH of them on the field together with AP? You’d never know where the ball was going! Well, I guess you’d know that the ball probably wasn’t going in the air very far…but still. :)
by ericj69 on Apr 23, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or we could have a WR/RB/QB screen....
Where Harvin, AP and White all run to the left and just keep lateraling to each other as they juke people out of their shoes.
Or, we can realize that Chilly is too boring to use any of those players to their fullest extent.
He would force White to be a Pocket Passer, then tell Harvin he can’t run with the ball after he catches it and forces AP to run between the tackles.
by Bjorno on Apr 23, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
The day T-Jax was able to turn on his jets against Atlanta I’m sure Chilly said “Whoo, big fella! Gotta stay in that pocket even if you can’t check a 3rd reciever.”
T-Jax- “But Daddy. I get booed when that happens. I throw picks or get sacked and fumble. Did you hear all the cheers when I ran for all those yards when I couldn’t do that? I felt like Adrian!”
Chilly- "Shut up and stay in the pocket! Remember what I showed you those 1st 2 games? How dare you question me! I coached Donovan! Now go to your locker corner and think about what you just did
by CitrusFLViking on Apr 23, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lmfao I felt like Adrian. He probably did, didn’t they have the same number of yards?
by Frost on Apr 23, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
pretty close as I remember. :)
My point was I like pocket guys,but some are never going to be able to do it. T-Jax is one and White will be another. They have such athletic ability it is easier to look for a way to run than hang in there and wait for a late development. Works some in college but limited success at the pro level. Not Super Bowl success.
by CitrusFLViking on Apr 23, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he wont be there in the 4th your crazy...
get ride on next years second rounder for a OT in the late Second Plenty left.. and you can get both…Harvin 22 pick overall, package your 54 and 86, move up some where between 34 and 47, and then come back in the late second and grab a Center or a OT… and your right… is would be the sickest offense in the NFl… no question… He wont bust… he will take over
by Johnny Harmonic on Apr 23, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am torn on Pat White. He has shown he has the athletic ability to be dangerous with the ball in his hands. My main problem is that through out the scouting process, White has (by all reports I’ve read) refused to workout at any position besides QB. Can the guy even catch a ball? Can he run routes? Can he return kicks/punts? He would be a pretty big project considering he hasn’t done a work out showing he can do those things. I suppose as long as the Vikings draft an OT and CB before taking him, I would feel better about it. If he could turn into a versatile guy like Randle El he would definitely be worth it.
by vikingfuture8816 on Apr 23, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why not
he does seem like a randel-el type.
i like scat backs. though maybe he’s redundant since we already have chester for scatting around. but people get hurt and such. if he’s there in the 2nd they’ll take him maybe, idk.
no one knows who will take him, when, or if he will be any good until some time in 2011
cromscorner.blogspot.com
by Crom on Apr 23, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d take White in the 3rd or 4th round in a heartbeat assuming I got my reciever and/or RT and/or CB I wanted in the first 2 or 3 rounds.
Why not take a gamble on drafting white in the third round and let him compete everywhere. I believe I said this during the season last year.
Some of these guys have to realize that they are simply not gonna get to play the position they want to if they play in the NFL and White better realize it right now. “Do you want to sit the bench at QB all year or see playing time your Rookie year by doing odd jobs?”
Berrian on one side, Rice on the other, Harvin at the slot in motion all the time with whatever QB behind center and AP and either Chester or White behind him. I like the sound of that. No defense would ever be able to know where the ball was going pre-snap: a total 180 from our offense of last year. :-(
by Hoss-Drone on Apr 23, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
as long as they don’t waste their 1st round pick on a 5th round player, I’ll be fine
by thewild_viking_twins on Apr 23, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, OK...sorry for the caps...
But the facts still remain, your not gonna get him in the third round, thats just all there is to it. And ya’ll can dig your own graves, YOU DONT HAVE A QB, and you will always be a subpar team. You better hope your general managers, are smarter than you are… because if not you got a bunch of nonproductive backup QB’s on the field for you, and soon you wont be able to hold a guy like A.P. he wants a championship. You wanna give up a couple picks for a veteran ok…who? and what are you gonna give up to get him? IF you remember correctly, before the dog fighting thing, mike vick was a number 1 draft pick, and can you honestly sit here today and say the Pat White is not a better QB than MIKE Vick, please, do your research, White makes Vick look Bad, honestly. its embarrassing to think that alot of football fans considered Vick the Michael jordan of football…And i never liked the dude… and for those of you that think White will fall to the third round, Get your T. Jackson jerseys ready… and keep your hopes low… cause ya’ll are gonna be a sad bunch of vikings come playoffs…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0YPDFmcp5Y
Did you see how nice " Darius Reynaud" looks… damn i bet you wish you could get him to play like like…
I wish you all the best of luck, im not gonna sit on here and repeat myself, he is the best Qb in the draft, the only senior worth a F@$$, Ceck out his stats, watch video do your research, you all should be protesting to make this happen, telling all your friends, Letting the nation know that the Vikings are gonna draft Pat White and are going to be a force next year in the NFL, you should bring this kid in with full support to ensure you get the best out of him you can get… White and Peterson together have the ability to make your town your franchise explode…
YOU CAN ONLY LEAD A HORSE TO WATER…
by Johnny Harmonic on Apr 23, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some of those were bad throws that the WR made the play on. Unless he’s an absolute god at pushing the ball into the window, which I doubt. The runs were amazing, but his WRs had to slow down if they starter to get out too far.
He’ll be good for the Wildcat, not sure about a normal passer though.
by Frost on Apr 23, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to find the words
Help me out Frost. No doubt Pat White is an exceptional athlete. T-Jax is a good athlete. Some think Mr. White would be a bargain at the 2nd pick (I would say bargain at 3). The Vikes trade up to get T-Jax in the 2nd when he probobly would have been around at 4 or 5. So the Vikes will “consider” a better talent from a more competitive conference at 3. The logic here is kind of mind boggling. Maybe in this “Twilight Zone” the Vikes will trade down and get Mr. White in the 4th or 5th round??? (all this to the twilight zone music)
Draft day, Please come. My head is spinning. OMG, is this one of my coma flashbacks from last year? Ahhhh! :)
Man! That Harvin, White, and AP scenario would be something tho. Add Britton in there and I’ll know I’m in “the zone”
Hope to see ya’ll here Sat. for the picks. Til then, my friends
by CitrusFLViking on Apr 23, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much White is a skinnier, quicker Jackson. People clamoring for a quick answer at QB aren’t going to be satisfied with White. He has “project” written all over him. Really for him to be successful what we would need are WRs who are good at getting YAC so that he could just do little dump offs and let them work their magic.
The offense would probably be quicker with White, but I’m not sure that would translate to being better.
by Frost on Apr 23, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I TOLD YOU!!!!!! I TOLD YOU!!!!! I TOLD YOU!!!!!
And that is why you fail….
frost…. go home…
and for everyone else that douted me… maybe you can get Vick… 8)
by Johnny Harmonic on Apr 25, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So you didnt draft white, what now...
Im Gonna bless you all with one more pick… and if you make it… you might save the sinking viking ship… if you dont pick Sam Houston State’s Rhett Bomar early in the 3rd…" and i know you wont" the answer is Texas Tech’s Graham Harrell…
go a head argue with me….
by Johnny Harmonic on Apr 26, 2009 1:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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