2009 NFL Draft Open Thread - Round Two
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I'm guessing Maualuga to Detroit
Which would depress the crap out of me, because he’d be an outstanding get for them there.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions
no doubt
are they smart enough though?….they seem to avoid defense like no other….well besides denver.
They need an offensive tackle, don't they?
Stafford is going to be dead by Week 6.
Even now Stafford is having nightmares filled with cameo appearances by Raji and Allen.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Never mind
Louis Delmas?
Did Rey Maualuga run over somebody’s dog or something?
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions
Louis Delmas, S
Really?
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What is out there for us in rd.2
OT: Britton, Beatty, Loadholt, Kropog & Watkins
CB: A. Smith, DJ Moore, Francies & Butler
Someone has to fall to us, right?
If the Vikings don't trade up in the 2nd round
I can’t see them going RT.
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Another ILB ahead of Maualuga.
Wow.
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Does Britton keep sliding?
If he does, I’ll be happy as hell to take him! But I think I still would’ve rather had Oher at 22…
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions
I'd be willing to trade up if it meant getting Britton.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
There goes Robiskie
Not that we were going to take him after taking Harvin at #22, but he wouldn’t have made it back to us anyway.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions
Or to make room for Braylon's exit
They have been rather eager to get rid of him for some reason.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd take Britton
Eben is a cooler name than Phil.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully we can get Unger or Loadholt
At #54.
Alphonso Smith would also be acceptable if neither of those guys are there.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions
If it's not this draft is ridiculous...
…and probably a huge April Fool’s joke on fans.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The Broncos' first two picks
Were supposed to be Rey, too.
I don’t know what they’re doing at this point.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
Josh McDaniels has been nothing but surprising in his first year, why change that now?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
If we could trade Ryan Cook
I would be amazed.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If I'm a Broncos fan
I’m rioting at this point.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of trades
Does anyone know if the Vikings even showed any interest in Boldin at all?
And holy hell, still no Rey!
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions
There goes Alphonso Smith...
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I don't get it. . .
The Broncos’ front seven is AWFUL. . .yet they passed on Rey Maualuga not once, not twice, but three different times?
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions
Cleveland is wiping up...
Talk about adding up the picks with trade after trade.
However, why would you trade your 1st round next year for this year’s 2nd? (Denver to Seattle). Denver must be planning to win the SB this year.
They traded their first round pick?
What the hell is Josh McDaniels doing?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
When does Everett Brown become to valuable to pass up?
Jared Allen is to football what Jason Voorhees is to Lake Crystal.
Right around pick #54
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
what is wrong with William Moore? i thought he was the best saftey coming out
Jared Allen is to football what Jason Voorhees is to Lake Crystal.
Let this be a lesson to all of you...
Never grind on Erin Andrews if you want to get drafted.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions
If he's still there...
Do the Vikings take Max Unger?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions
depends on the tackles that are left too
Jared Allen is to football what Jason Voorhees is to Lake Crystal.
Britton gone
To Jacksonville to be bookends with Eugene Monroe.
Nice move by the Jags.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions
Looks like they might have a beastly O-line for years to come
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
And there goes Britton.
One fewer option for the Vikings that they could’ve had if they’d traded up.
Oh, well. Maybe Darius Butler will pull a Quinn and fall to 22.
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OT's
We’re still looking good at getting someone there.
Remember the Pat White thread? Some dude commenting on a wildcat show if we got both him and Harvin? But man, if Tjax could play that role and get better decision making skills down who know. ( I must be mad thinking that)
Ooops there goes Britton. Still have Unger , Loadhart and Kropog and one other that slips my mind
I agree.
If both Beatty and Loadhart are gone at our pick, I would much rather go CB.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh, not really.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That dude was me lol. Pat White would be exciting…not sure which way I want to lean, since TJax might be able to do it as well. Guess we will wait and see. Either way, boot Booty.
Ahh Yes. The Lof Machine
great discussion my friend. Thanks on Beatty. It came back after I went back to the TV. Kropog might be there in the 3rd and Unger can play both OT and center
by CitrusFLViking on Apr 25, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
To further mix up the O-line idea
What about Duke Robinson for RG?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
The Patriots have 5 second round picks
That is DISGUISTING!
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
I highly doubt they keep more than 2 of them.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
There goes Butler
No slide for him, damn… Why aren’t we making any moves?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions
Ugh.
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There are three players that I would be happy with right now
Beatty, Loadholt, and Moore.
If they’re all gone the Vikings should either pull a BPA or trade down.
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The Patriots just keep getting better.
Makes me sick…
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Byrd over Moore?
Sorta surprising.
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I can't shake the feeling
That somehow, some way. . .
We’re taking Pat White at #54.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions
I would probably cry.
White would die within his first three snaps as a quarterback, and drafting him as a WR isn’t smart…
Unless he’s BPA.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Depending what's there when we pick...
Clint Sintim of Virginia…LB stud
I don't suffer from insanity...I relish every moment of it!
Will Everett Brown keep falling?
If he does drop to us, do we take him?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions
Looks like Brown to the Panthers
Carolina looking for someone to replace Peppers?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions
not after Havin
We will take a solid player, not a project
I think that Carolina giving
up their 1st rd pick next year to get E Brown is not a bad move. I think he will complement Peppers nicely, as I dont think they are trading Peppers.
No White for us
The Dolphins just took him.
The Original Wildcat just got a little wilder.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
YES! White is gone...!
That probably won’t stop the Vikings from drafting him, though.
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What is going on?
What’s up with all of these teams trading their next year’s first round picks this year? Isn’t next year projected to be a much stronger draft?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
I hate to say it, but the Packers have probably had the best draft so far.
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Nah
Raji was a nice pick. . .Clay Matthews doesn’t remotely worry me.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Clay Matthews was a reach, never really been high on him.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
a second and two thirds?
They almost gave up the same amount of picks we gave up for Jared Allen.
Jared Allen> Clay Matthews
by All Day, All Night on Apr 25, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Matthews is not a 3-4 LB nor is Kampman, they will struggle for awhile
Jared Allen is to football what Jason Voorhees is to Lake Crystal.
Now we gotta have T-jax run a wildcat???
Move up and get Loadholt if we can. I will puke if we don’t get an OT now
If TJack does horribly...
We’ll have a high pick next year that we can use on Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy….
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions
Twins update: Slowey has pitched 5 innings of three-hit ball.
4-0 Twins. End of 5th.
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Did anyone watch Toronto throttle the White Sox last night?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
other sports?
There are other sports going on today? Draft day should be a nat’l Holiday…
Nah. . .
It’s a Saturday. Everyone has the day off anyway. (-:
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't....
I had to listen over the radio at work to catch the Vikings pick….
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Seven picks left...
Can Beatty or Moore survive until then?
I wouldn’t be upset with Unger, either.
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The Raiders just drafted a guy
That Mike Mayock had ticketed for the SEVENTH ROUND.
SEVENTH.
Good lord.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 7:37 PM CDT reply actions
Should the Raiders pull the 25th Ammendment on Al Davis?
Clause 4: 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Beatty, Will Moore, DJ Moore, Loadholt, Unger are all left on the board
Jared Allen is to football what Jason Voorhees is to Lake Crystal.
Bears are up
Let’s see if they give us something to laugh about…
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions
Ha ha ha!
They’re trying to find the guy that the Raiders drafted on TV right now. They’re thumbing through the manual of all of the players in the draft! They don’t have a clue who the guy is!!!!
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions
NFL.com doesnt even have a height, weigh, or college for him
Jared Allen is to football what Jason Voorhees is to Lake Crystal.
Unger to Seattle
There goes a pretty good center.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions
WalterFootball.com:
This is high comedy. Mel Kiper had Michael Mitchell as his 71st-best safety. Al Davis is the best.
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What are the Bears going to draft?
If they keep moving down, thre won’t be anyone else left!
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions
2nd WR for the browns.. is edwards out of there
Jared Allen is to football what Jason Voorhees is to Lake Crystal.
The Browns draft another receiver
There’s going to be a lot of unhappy people in Cleveland tonight I think.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions
I think it's almost a certainty that Beatty/Loadholt are there for us...
Dallas may take one of them, but I can’t see Cleveland taking yet another offensive player. If they do, Mangini may find himself forcefully ejected from the city of Cleveland by the Browns fan base, and the Eagles don’t need a tackle since they now have Jason Peters.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions
I think I would prefer DJ Moore.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Fastest pick in NFL history?
Besides when the… well, you know… Vikings took Troy Wil…
Nevermind.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
For TO, right?
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Or turn on the NFL Network
Because, unlike ESPN, the NFLN doesn’t suck,
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
We're one pick away
From landing Phil Loadholt. . .which would be an out-friggin’-standing first day of the draft, in my opinion.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions
You wouldn't rather have Beatty?
From the powerful UConn Huskies?
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
What did the 'Boys get in return?
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I want to thank
all my supporters and the Minnesota Vikings for selecting me with their 2nd round pick!
If we don't get one of Beatty, Loadhold, or Moore...
I say we riot at the Metrodome.
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I've already got an effigy of Chilly ready
We can burn it right outside the gates!
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
LeSean McCoy to Philly
Looks like we get our choice of our tackles and DJ!
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions
And we have our tackle!
I like Loadholt a bit more than Beatty myself, but I still would have rather had Oher at 22, and packaged our 2nd and Chester to Arizona for Boldin… >.> What do you guys think?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions
That would have been ideal...
Too ideal. Childress/Spielman/Wilf could never have pulled that off.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
True
But I still think it could have happened, if only we had tried. I don’t understand why we weren’t more involved in the trade talks for Boldin. We tried to so hard to get Housh, but we made no effort to get Boldin. What gives? It certainly wasn’t a money issue with what we offered Housh.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Loadholt to the Vikes.
One good note for today’s draft.
I would’ve done something different for both picks, but I like the 2nd round pick.
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You guys continue discussing
I have to make a quick run to base here. . .but I’ll be back later on.
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by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions
Anyone like me who doesn't have NFLN
Go to NFL.com, you can watch the draft for free.
Hate to be a downer...
But the Vikings could’ve easily had a better day. Oher would’ve been better at 22, and Moore in the 2nd would’ve been my perfect day.
But knowing the Vikings… I’m glad we escaped without drafting Pat White or Michael Mitchell.
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We could be the Raiders
Yeah…. It could always be worse!
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep...
I’m happy with today’s draft.
Just very worried about Harvin.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I also would have liked to have seen Oher, and if not Boldin, maybe a trade up for Robiskie.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe a trade up for Moore right now?
We don’t have much to offer…
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It'd be nice
But if I were a betting man, I see Baltimore taking him right now.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Paul Kruger
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Loadholt
was dominated by speed rushers at the Senior Bowl. But as a road grader for Adrian … two thumbs up.
You think Harvin was BPA?
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
But Michael Oher was available.
To me, passing up on Oher in favor of Harvin was ridiculous. And I like Harvin as a football player a lot.
Oher was ranked as a top-10 prospect.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Not to mention, if we drafted Oher, we would’ve wound up as the happy ending of his feel good story, starring Sandra Bullock!
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Oher slid out of the top ten for a reason
He had a lot lapses in cosistancy and in the NFL that can be costly. Too many free shots on the QB isn’t good.
The experts have all graded harvin as a top 4 playmaker in this draft. If that’s true it would make his selection at 22 a big time steal.
Stop being negative Anderklasen.
I sure hope so...
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by Andersklasen on Apr 25, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
What could we trade?
Do we have anything outside of Chester and our late picks to move up with?
Also, Sebastian Vollmer, OT, Houston to the Pats…. Who the hell is that?
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions
Chester Taylor is not going anywhere!!!
Come on guys…he’s a perfect reliever to AD and while we could still get value from him this year before his contract is up, we need his pass blocking etc. Plus, they’ve already talked about extending his contract.
I like Chester
I’m not saying we need to move him, I’m saying he’s about the only trade bait that we have. He’s really the only piece we can move.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Man... I've been repeatedly submitting questions to ESPN
There has yet to be any Vikings love! I don’t know what’s wrong. They’re pretty great questions, we keep getting shafted by the ESPN crew. Boo!
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:31 PM CDT reply actions
Charles Gordon
I think we all look at Charles Gordon a little differently after his season ending (foot facing the wrong direction) injury, but if he comes back as strong, could he be a possible move to CB if we aren’t able to sustain Antoine? He’s already fighting Sapp and now Paymah for the Nickel spot and who knows, maybe Paymah will turn out to be a stud. I think we have a little bit of depth at CB and might recommend some safety depth, RB depth in later rounds.
ESPN
is a frigging joke. Now that I have the MLB Network, I have no reason to tune in to them at all.
Nate Davis
Any thoughts? I’ve seen him play, he’s a damn good QB. I also don’t buy the argument about his smarts, sure, he has a reading disorder, but he’s learned every playbook thrown at him so far… Why wouldn’t he be able to learn a pro book?
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I think I've figured it out!
After reading the last few questions, the way to get your question on to the ESPN
website is to type like an idiot! Hve horrble words and not puncutation typos and barely make my question under stand able.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions
MINNESOTA has to get into the wildcat formation!!!!
AP+ Harvin in the backfield is awesome……..
Think about it: you give the ball to one of those guys,BOOM touchdown!!!!
Awesome first day!!!!!!!
My assessment...
If I were to grade the two picks right now, here’s how I would.*
(*Grading a draft anytime before three years after it actually happened is ridiculous.)
1st Round – Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
Grade: D
I like Harvin as a football player… I really do. He supposedly tested positive for marijuana at the Combine, however, and to me that is ridiculous. How can a guy show up to the biggest job interview of his life with illegal drugs in his system? I’m not at all worried about any potential drug addiction, but rather with Harvin’s intelligence… or lack thereof.
Harvin may be a great playmaker and a great wide receiver, and I think that he will be. But to me, what’s worse than Harvin’s drug issues is the fact that Michael Oher was on the board. Oher, an offensive tackle, was ranked by some as a Top-10 prospect. When you consider the fear that the name “Ryan Cook” instills in Vikings’ fans, Oher needed to be considered unpassable.
2nd Round – Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
Grade: A
I’m very happy with this pick. By not drafting an OT in the first round, they almost had to in the 2nd round. Beatty would’ve also been a good pick. The Vikings drafted an NFL-ready player who will provide some much-needed protection for Sage/T-Jack. The only drawback is the number of penalties that Loadholt has the potential to commit.
DJ Moore would’ve also been a good pick, but I think OT was a bigger need than CB. The Vikings don’t have as big a hole in the secondary as they do on the offensive line, and an OT is the second-most important position on the football field.
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Seems Harsh
I wouldn’t give Harvin a D… He’s still a tremendous playmaker and he does feel a need. I’d give him more of a C+/B- grade. Yeah, I loved Oher, but Loadholt is a sufficient replacement. Also, Oher may have been a top 10 talent, Harvin is a top 3 play maker. Equal trade there.
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going B-
Only from the lack of judgement
by CitrusFLViking on Apr 25, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate ESPN's live blog team...
They keep answering the same questions OVER AND OVER…
by Eric The Viking on Apr 25, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions
ESPN's Special
Kiss Mark Sanchez’ butt for 3 hours and by the way, there are some other teams and players in the NFL draft this year. If I hear how great Sanchez is one more time I’m gonna kick the TV in.
I like both our picks. And as to the Boldin idea Arizona wanted more than a second rounder, 10 million and picks is a lot. Harvin looks like a play maker. Again I like both our picks, giving Harvin a “D” is absurd. The guy smoked pot and now you want to label him a drug addict, sorry that is huge leap in logic.
Great draft, Go Vikes! Here is a Harvin interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzKgkHTpse4&feature=related
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Its not the fact he smoked pot he could of smoked crack and meth. Its the fact that he KNEW the combine and drug testing was coming up and he still smoked it anyway. It shows stupidity and bad decision making. That said I actually like the pick and the 2nd round pick.
How did it affect him?
4.41 40 time. Can you ask for more? It was a top six finish at the position. He bench pressed 225 19 times. Could be a little stronger, but for a guy 5’11" 190lbs, not bad either. He didn’t participate in the other events. He ended up drafted 22 where a ton of people had him being selected.
It sucks his name has been associated with drugs, but it did him absolutely no harm. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had stayed clean all season and was enjoying his offseason freedom (freedom is used loosely since marijuana is still illegal).
I dont think it is about how it affected him. I believe its more a factor of how he will behave in the future. To smoke it before the combine, knowing the would be tested, says one of two things..1) He’s a dumbass, which will lead to him getting into Pacman Jones type of trouble, or 2) he is addicted, which will lead to him being like Onterio Smith or Ricky Williams. Character issues tend to outweigh talent.