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Fan Grades of the 2009 Vikings Draft

Just curious on what everyones thoughts were about the WHOLE draft not just Harvin and Loadholt--In my opinion Asher Allen is is going to be the future back there--watch this kid's film and hes a younger version on Antoine Winfield--a tackling machine--itll be fun to watch him play as well as the LB Brinkley--the kid is fast and hits like a mack truck--hes going to be a special teams nightmare for opposing coaches--Sanford will more than likely have to hope someone gets hurt or that the viking need the depth at Safety--more than likely he may be going to the practice squad--Overall Ill give the Vikes a B+

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I’ve been giddy about our pick ups since Saturday evening. I couldn’t have hoped for a better draft. In a somewhat ideal fashion I think we got the best player on the board at positions we actually needed help filling.

by Anthony Carter on Apr 27, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Isn’t that strange

I don’t think Oher at 22 is more value than Loadholdt at 54.

Percy Harvin is not a WR and he’s not a RB, but he is a football player, a dynamic one at that.

by LoveHate on Apr 27, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know a lot of people like the Harvin pick (I’m not a fan, as you know if you’ve read my posts in the past) but Imagine if we had got Oher AND Loadholt?!? I mean, going o-line with the first two picks would not have been necessary, but imagine the ridiculous depth we’d have there??? O-line would have been set for a WHILE.

Overall though, I’m very happy with the purple and gold draft. Now let’s hope Harvin doesn’t disappoint.

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by TheViking83 on Apr 27, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

But, then...

We still would have had to live with a receiving core of BB (drop the safeties back and you have him covered), SR (put the corner 5 yards off the line and you have him covered), and BW (stuff the box and you have both him and the run covered). Drafting Oher and Loadholt would have been a famously bad move. Harvin disrupts everything and creates will finally give TJack the openings he did not have last year, most notably, in the Philly game.

by Anthony Carter on Apr 27, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently

everybody think our o-line is just fine.

I don’t buy that. While WR was a good pick in 1, (dont get me wrong, im not bashing the pick) I wouldn’t call solidifying depth at a position that sorely needs it a “famously bad move”.

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by TheViking83 on Apr 27, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You’re right, probably not “famously bad.” Still, with McKinny as our other tackle, I don’t think we needed to add two just to add depth. We got a very dynamic player in Harvin and have taken a big step toward securing our right side.

by Anthony Carter on Apr 27, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn’t that the O-line is just fine… it’s that this draft was very deep in great linemen so we could afford to wait a little longer and pick up someone very good for the line. And unfortunately, the only thing that’s going to keep the opposition from stuffing the box the way they’ve been doing (8-9 men every down!), is a really fast WR, hence, Harvin.

by DCPurple on Apr 28, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

This should help out the HB-Draw plays Childress loves to call on 3rd downs too. If Harvin’s on the field, you just can’t ignore him. Should pull away an extra defender, so Taylor will have an easier time.

by Frost on Apr 28, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

And if Johnson works out too? It’s going to be very, very interesting.

I was reading that Johnson was hoping to drafted by the Vikes, but he came to Minny to work out anyway because he wants to line up with AP and have a good shot at a ring. Surprising but good to hear, that at least one player chose the Vikings because he believes in the team’s ability.

by DCPurple on Apr 29, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said in the other thread, I think he’ll make the roster, if only for PR. Sort of like Erin last year. Everyone was pulling for him ‘cause he was EJ’s brother. He did good in games too, so I suppose that might have helped a bit.

So hopefully Johnson can make magic happen this pre-season. It’s not going to be easy though, our 3rd string OLine is absolute garbage.

by Frost on Apr 29, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I never considered that the Vikes would draft or retain just for PR value… wow, what a depressing notion.

by DCPurple on Apr 29, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

That would be insanely depressing. Thankfully, I don’t think there’s a lick of truth to it, so rest assured.

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by Manimal on Apr 29, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the Vikings took Oher...

They would not have taken Loadholt. Waaaay too redundant in consecuative rounds. Maybe taken Iglesias or Mohammad or whatever (yes, I’m aware I butchered their names, but I’m too lazy to look them up. Sue me).

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by Manimal on Apr 27, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can’t wait to see TJack come into maturity with his new weapon!

by Anthony Carter on Apr 27, 2009 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

B grade

I do feel that Harvin is the perfect type of receiver the Vikes need for catching from a TJ type QB. Someone who can catch the dump-off passes and score from anywhere. I was not for drafting a receiver with the first pick before the draft, but I am quickly coming around.

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by NobleSavage on Apr 27, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Percy Harvin = B+
Phil Loadholt = A-
Asher Allen = A
Jasper Brinkley = B-

Harvin is growing on me, but I still think a trade up for Maclin might have been a better option. If Harvin’s off the field issues or injuries bite us in the rear, we are going to be wishing we hadn’t made this pick.

Loadholt does not match our blocking scheme very well, but he is certainly a good anchor at RT.

The more I hear about this Allen kid, the more I like him. He might be the steal of the draft for us.

Brinkley plays to our strengths, but also has our weaknesses. He is great at stuffing the run, yet iffy in coverage. If he was brought in for special teams specifically, he might be a liability.

by Bjorno on Apr 27, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Ditto on the Allen kid

Did you see the plays off him making the hits? He looked like a young Robert Griffith. Let’s just hope he’s half as good.

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by NobleSavage on Apr 27, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

This video of Asher Allen has made me a believer. Not that I doubted him, but there were several other CBs on the board when they selected him, and none of those are as impressive now that I’ve taken the time to look at a few. Will the coaching staff actually allow an open competition for Cedric Griffin’s CB job? I hope so.

Kudos to the management for allowing a talented WR to be chosen in the 1st.

I don’t like the Brinkley pick for any reason other than draft value, which is about a B-.

by KC Viking on Apr 27, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really like his patience.

He doesn’t over-pursue and seems to wrap up well when needed.

But, I have to disagree on giving him the option to compete with Griffin. Not that Allen does not deserve a shot, but Griffin to me is only going to keep on getting better.

I was iffy on Griffin to start, but that kid is opening my eyes rather quickly.

by Bjorno on Apr 27, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was listening

to the FAN this morning and Paul Allen and Bercich had him on the show. The kid is very articulate and upbeat…. i’m starting to really like this pick even though I was initially disappointed we didn’t get D.J. Moore.

by skiumah06 on Apr 27, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mean ditch Griffin

but have him compete for a safety role instead. It’s a win-win situation that way.

by KC Viking on Apr 27, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely a ball-hawk, and he’s not afraid to hit hard. I like him a lot.

by DCPurple on Apr 29, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I liked most of it

Except for getting rid of two picks for Brinkley. He sounds pretty one-dimensional, and his one dimension (stopping the run) is already pretty well addressed on our defense.

But as always with the draft, we won’t know for sure for a very, very long time.

by Eric J. Thompson on Apr 27, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

homerific thoughts

This draft was a boondogle for us. Welcome, Percy, Phil, Asher and Jasper!

Brinkley is a one-dimensional linebacker, for sure. What do you expect in the fifth round, anyhow? He’ll play a significant role as the fourth linebacker in goal-line situations, where his one dimension—running downhill with outstanding power—is exactly what’s needed. Our other backup linebackers, Erin Henderson and Heath Farwell, are smaller and quicker, but less well-suited to smashing fullbacks behind the line of scrimmage. He’ll help on special teams, too.

Allen sounds very much like the sort of corner we want in our huddle. He’ll challenge for the nickle spot right away, and a few years down the line might replace the irreplacable Winfield. Solid pick on the promising underclassman.

Phil Loadholt was probably the best pure RT in the draft. LTs usually get drafted way before their strongside bretheren. Yeah, Oher probably has more potential, but not a whole round more. Besides, if we picked Oher, we wouldn’t get the next guy…

Percy Harvin has the potential to touch the ball 8 times in a game for 120 yards. He fills a role in our offense, too. Hogwash with those “Chilly won’t know how to use him!” whines. How do you use him? Quick slants, bubble-screens, end-arounds, the occasional streak route, and as a third-down back. Maybe the Wildcat, too, if it’s not passe by October. See, the problem with the other receivers in this draft is that they’d be challenging Berrian or Rice for their spots—traditional #1 and #2 receivers, you know? Those guys take a few years to adjust to the complexity of NFL playbooks, routes, and coverage-reading. Rice is still learning how to do it, the young pup. Harvin will be asked to do something else entirely. Yeah, Wade’s great in the slot—there’s no receiver in the NFL, except for maybe Hines Ward, who throws more bone-crushing blocks—but he’ not a home-run threat, really. Harvin is, every time he touches the ball. Even with his unpolished route-running, he’s a rare talent. His skill set is actually pretty well-tailored to the KAO’s melange of short stuff that goes nowhere when the fast-but-hardly-elusive Berrian takes a WR-screen. Finally, we can field a 3-WR set that scares defenses not only out of the 8-man box, but into the nickle defense. Perhaps we’ll finally see an offense that is truly kick-ass.

by virginia viking on Apr 27, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Well Said...

The lack of creativity not withstanding, putting Harvin in everyday, every down football scenarios will be using his skill wisely. Few safeties and no linebackers will be able to cover him on any under route. I would add that you could screen him from anywhere and run him on drag and flat routes out of the backfield all day.

Lets pray he can catch punts!

by LoveHate on Apr 27, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, well said...

I couldn’t agree more. This is why I like Harvin “for us” better than Maclin. If we’d have had an earlier pick and were able to have drafted Crabtree or Maclin, I’d have been more than happy to see us slide down to get Harvin instead. I think we have it covered at the traditional #1 and #2 positions. Harvin will open those positions for those guys as well as our superhero.

by Anthony Carter on Apr 27, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's not forget

Sage Rosenfels is essentially the 4th round pick. If he starts, along with Harvin, Loadholt, and Asher Allen, that would be 4 starters, and it would have to deserve an A, at least initially.

by KC Viking on Apr 27, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I would have to give our draft a solid B+. I was pretty upset when we drafted Harvin in the 1st round, I had to walk outta Buffalo Wild Wings when they made the announcement. But as I’ve had time to ponder the choice, its growing on me more and more. Yea he failed a drug test, but I refuse to believe that everyone in the NFL is drug free, completely unrealistic. That being said, I think he’ll be great and will take the pressure off of AP. I like the Asher Allen pick, i think he’ll be a great addition to our D. All in all, a solid B+.

by LJ40 on Apr 27, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I’ll give it a B.

Harvin: I’ve done 180s on this guy for a long time. I’m concerned about his intelligence, but the further you play from the ball, the less important that is. Keep in mind before the ganja stuff came out and the (I believe strange) character questions (he was considered a good citizen/teammate at Florida until about 2 weeks before the draft; could’ve been a team trying something), the whole he’s-a-Florida-receiver-who-hasn’t-played-a-pro-style-role question was the big one around Harvin (along with his durability). That’s kind of gotten pushed to the periphery, but it’s still apropos. But, most scouts, including ones I really respect, consider him a special talent. And I like that he seems to love to mix it up in the middle of the field, making him a perfect slot guy. If he can prove to be a threat, he’ll not only help TJack/Sage and be the first reciever in the KAO’s history who can actually turn it upfield after taking a 3-yard pass, but he’ll stretch the defense horizontally, helping everyone on the offense. Sidney Rice could soon consider him the greatest thing that’s happened to his career.

Loadholt: I think this is a very solid pick, and probably underrated by the national media types, as I get the feeling the Vikings’ O-Line issues aren’t recognized nationally. I’m coming around to him. He’s actually an impressive athlete considering his size. It’s not like he looks like Nate Newton. He actually kind of looks like a basketball power forward. (Although he has had weight concerns before). He’s just been burned off the snap by the Orakpos of the world because he lacks elite initial burst; once he gets out of his stance he’s pretty impressive to watch move. OTOH, he did play out of the 2-point stance a bit at OU, so let’s hope moving to the 3-point stance full time doesn’t make this worse. Outside of the obvious things to like about him (size, run blocking), Spielman said 3 things stood out about him: his passion for the game, his long arms, and his ability to get to the second level after working a combo block. That last point is one of the distinguishing characteristics of zone blocking, so I think the Vikings think they can use him in the system. Although I can’t say for sure how often the Vikings utilize the ZBS compared to other teams (I believe every team utilizes it in varying degrees, even the Steelers do it once in a while, while the Texans and Packers use it as their base; I think the Vikings are somewhere in between.) Although with McKinney, Loadholt, and potentially Cook at Center, the Vikings may need to find a 6’7" quarterback. :)

Allen: I like that he can hit and tackle. As more and more elements of the spread continue to infiltrate the NFL, corners that can tackle in the open field are going to be more and more necessary, while pure cover guys who only arm tackle are going to get neutralized. And he’s a kick return stud, which is a big time need. The knocks on him are size (although in this draft, outside of Vontae Davis, which CB isn’t 5’9"-5’10" with an iffy 40?) and perhaps lack of elite speed (although he claims he ran a 4.31 at his pro day). And he hasn’t made ball plays or shown good hands, although he had an injured hand last year, so the jury’s still out on that. The fact he played exclusively man-to-man is good for his prospects as a nickel back, which is an important, underrated position these days. Plus, personally, I like the style of the Georgia Bulldogs defense: usually smaller guys, but very fast, tough, and aggressive. He was taken in the midst of a CB run in the 3rd, so whether he can prove to be one of the better ones, we’ll see. Many seem to think if he stayed in school he was a potential 1st rounder next year, FWIW.

Brinkley: Not sure about his one. He could maybe be good in special teams, but if he can’t function as the MLB in the 4-3, not sure how much upside he brings. Maybe the lack of instincts knock is being oversold in the Vikings’ opinion, or they think they can teach him coverage skills. Could be an option on goal line situations.

Sanford: Safeties seem to either go early or late in the draft. So maybe there’s value here, as once the elite guys at the position go, teams tend to ignore the 2nd tier while they grab 2nd tier guys at other positions. Potential character problem, but they needed depth.

Overall, I love how they really attacked their needs: playmaking/speed on offense, cornerback, kick returners, special teams help, and, of course, RT. Also, whether by luck or design, they played the runs perfectly: they were among the first in line for all the WRs in round 1, among the first in line for the 2nd-tier OTs, and they were in the mix when CBs started going fast and furious in round 3.

by jianfu on Apr 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Given where we were positioned, do you think we could have done better?

A lot of people who give mid-level grades note the liabilities of Harvin. But, the reality is, we were picking in the lower quartile of every round. And most analysts agree that we didn’t have any ammunition to move up. That said, could it have gone any better for us in the first three rounds. Not only, in my opinion, did we get the best player available at our position, but we filled our needs excellently in the order, I believe, we had them.

On that basis, I gave our front office an A, because I couldn’t have hoped for anything better (which was solidified not with the Harvin pick alone, but with the Harvin + Loadholt + Allen combo acquisition).

by Anthony Carter on Apr 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

+3 (one for each part of the combo)

by Hoss-Drone on Apr 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I don’t know. Maybe after next year we’ll think they should have gone something like Vontae Davis, Loadholt, Deon Butler. Maybe Oher becomes so good that it almost doesn’t matter who else they drafted. Maybe some schmoe in the middle rounds pulls a Jared Allen and emerges as one of the best players in the draft. We don’t know for sure. If you go back to almost any draft, if you could hit reset and do it over given the benefit of hindsight, there probably isn’t a draft in history that wouldn’t look remarkably different.

My “B” grade is given because of how they attacked their needs and seemed to have good timing vis a vis drafting of the positions. I think “B” is a good grade, and like any fan I’m hopeful they’ve added 3 significant, quality contributors to a 10-6 team. But, who knows? Beyond the questions of how their game will translate (which every prospect has to varying degrees) so much of what’s still to happen—coaching, development, usage, health—will determine their fates.

On the players specifically, given the boom-or-bust nature of Harvin (and again, I think the Florida thing is being overlooked with the character stuff emerging; Ike Hilliard was a big time, big game performer at Florida, too, and a 7th overall selection, but I suspect fans are hoping for something better than Ike Hilliard), I’m not going to go higher than “B”. Maybe if they did what the Patriots did, move down, acquire picks (more scratch tickets=a better chance of coming out well), and still land great prospects, I’d give them an “A”; or, if they took advantage of the Panthers or Broncos of the world and get tremendous value out of their picks, I’d say “A.” OTOH, I think Kiper’s “C” is absurd given how well they tried to meet their needs.

I will say I like this draft a lot more than last year’s. And I like Tyrell Johnson. I just think they got a little too down-the-road in last year’s draft. Imagine what last year’s team might have been with Desean Jackson opposite Berrian or in the slot; or Brohm stepping in instead of Frerotte (someone will now chime in about Brohm getting beat out by Matt Flynn on the depth chart, but I’m not going to write off a guy with that kind of resume for a few bad quarters of preseason football); or a guy like Carl Nicks there to push Ryan Cook aside. I think drafting for 2 or 3 years down the road is a decent strategy for a team with no glaring holes, but the Vikings aren’t at that level yet. To be fair, last year Sidney Rice had come off a good rookie year and they had signed Berrian to a big contract, so maybe that explains passing on Jackson, and obviously the coaching staff wasn’t (isn’t) writing off Jackson, explaining passing on Brohm or Chad Henne.

I also think there are indications the draft is now Spielman’s baby. I think initially, in 2006, the coaching staff had a lot of input, but since then it seems to be moving away from that. And I think that’s a good thing, given one of Childress’s pet projects/reaches has probably just been replaced (Cook) and TJack perhaps is on his last rope. He’s also had some curious utilization questions. Like, why didn’t he use Mewelde Moore, given versatility was what he prefers in his running backs? Why isn’t Aundrae Allison the KR? So, while I may now be willing to give the KAO another chance (he has much better weapons now; let’s not review the team’s WR depth chart when he took over in 2006…too graphic for this time of day), I think he’s a questionable evaluator.

Apparently when Spielman was running the show in Miami, he really wanted to draft Anquan Boldin. Head Coach Dave Wannstadt wanted some linebacker, and he got his way. The linebacker (I think his name was Moore?) has struggled while Boldin’s thrived. Given that, according to reports, Spielman was all for Harvin and Chilly wasn’t sold until possibly his meeting, maybe it indicates Spielman had that in mind.

by jianfu on Apr 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

#22

Considering how low the Vikes picks were, I think they did amazingly good.

An aside, it was interesting, watching the Browns suck maximum value from their top picks, lol.

by DCPurple on Apr 29, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kiper's C

I wonder if that is because the Vikes only had 5 picks? Loadholt’s lack of acceleration could hurt, too, although I like the pick just fine.

by KC Viking on Apr 28, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmmmm...

Anyone think that maybe Harvin’s positive test was all part of a clever scheme to make sure he didn’t end up on a team like the Raiders?

Think about it, you are the most explosive playmaker in the draft, but you don’t want to be on a team that sucks.

You have been without issue for almost 4 years, looking at your options and dreading the idea of being a Raider. Then the week before your urine test you get the brilliant idea that a positive test for pot will drop your stock, but not bring you out of the first round.

He had no issues for a long time, then all of a sudden he tests positive?

by Bjorno on Apr 29, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

lol

Interesting notion, but I doubt it.

by Frost on Apr 29, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I seriously doubt...

Someone would knowingly pass on millions of dollars by testing positive for an illegal drug. He’s lucky the Vikings picked him up where they did. Guaranteed money from number one to number 22 is a big enough drop off as it is. Beyond that is that much larger.

That said, if he did do it on purpose, he’s an evil mastermind who should be stealing nuclear warheads and kidnapping Presidents’ daughters, not playing in the NFL.

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by Manimal on Apr 29, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who is to say that he is not more interested in football than money?

Which would you rather do?

Take less money and possibly win a super bowl your rookie year?

Take more money and not have a chance at a super bowl for at least 3-4 years if ever?

Where can you find a more impressive piece of bling than the 2009 Super Bowl Ring?

by Bjorno on Apr 29, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're in position...

To make 5 million dollars a year, or 1 million dollars a year, which would you take?

How about 100k versus 50k?

As much as it sucks, in this day and age, money makes the world go round, as they say.

I don’t think there’s any way he intentionally made his draft stock drop. Just my opinion though.

If he did want a Super Bowl, why wouldn’t he have gone to the Patriots instead? They have insane talent and are always on the cusp. The Vikings are no slouch, but you have to think that with Tom Brady back, they are one of the favorites in the NFC.

He could have easily toked up in front of Childress on his visit to dissuade Brad from drafting him.

No, I think Percy wanted to get drafted as highly as possible, and the fact that it was the Vikings makes us fans happy, makes him happy to come into a good offense, and makes whoever is QBing the team happy to have another weapon.

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by Manimal on Apr 29, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

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