Cutler Trade Aftermath Polls

by KC Viking on Apr 5, 2009 1:22 PM CDT Comment 7 comments

I have had an itch to make a poll, so why not.

Before Josh McDaniels and Jay Cutler couldn't get along, I knew McDaniels mostly as one of the faceless guys I could hire in Brad Childress's place in the Madden universe and improve my team quite a bit. Fantasy isn't always reality, but it was great to think that there could be some young coach out there who could get along with whomever was on the roster, build on what was there already, and win a Super Bowl in about 3 years.

I really wanted to make six polls, so here are the first five to be discussed in the comments (and feel free to discuss the offficial question in comments, too):

1) Before Jay Cutler was traded to Chicago, what was your impression of Josh McDaniels relative to Brad Childress?

2) Do you think that Josh McDaniels tried to trade for Matt Cassel because McDaniels believed Cassel to be genuinely better than Cutler or for the familiarity factor of having his guy running the team?

3) Who do you believe is the better QB, Cutler or Cassel?

4) Any members of the Kyle Orton fan club out there?

5) Did anyone read Mel Kiper Jr.'s recent column about Cutler being overrated from day one? Didn't Mel hype him as the best QB of his draft class? Wasn't he right about that after all? What is he thinking? (I don't have insider access.)

Poll

After Jay Cutler was traded to Chicago, your impression of Josh McDaniels has been...

Only an idiot would lose Jay Cutler by trying to trade for a worse QB anyway.

30 votes

Wow, maybe Brad Childress isn't the only head coach who is allergic to talent after all.

54 votes

Good move getting rid of the crybaby, and look at all those the draft picks!

63 votes

147 votes | Poll has closed

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1) McDaniels would have been a great get for offensive coordinator and possibly eventually replacing Childress, but the guy really only coached a few years for the Patriots when they had Brady, Moss, and Welker. Wouldn’t have been looking at him for a head coaching job so soon and it looks like he has a little more to learn (not the Cutler helped at all and I think came out looking worse)

2) I think McDaniels went after Cassel for the familiarity. I don’t think he looked at both and said, “Cassel is so much better, i must have him.” I think he wanted at the very least to have a guy that he knew could step in and know what he is doing from day one. Definatley would have helped while they are rebuilding the defense.

3) I honestly look at them the same. They are both young QBs with one great statistical year in which they made the Pro Bowl and their teams didn’t/have yet to get into the playoffs. Only Cassel has lead his team to a winning record, but I would still consider them on the same level of play considering the difference in their teams defenses.

4)Not really a member of the fan club (I wouldn’t have traded for Orton), but I will watch Denver closer now to see what he does with Marshall and Royal or if he plays at all.

5) I remember reading the article, but I don’t remember what he was saying about him in the days before he got drafted. I think you can say someone is in the top of the class, but not be that high on them or consider them overrated. Just look at this years class. Sure Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman are at the top of the class, but none are projected to make too much of an impact this year. Plus look at what they are the class of. After them, it is projected that no QB’s will be picked before the end of the 3rd round. So maybe 4 QBs are taken in the 1st 3 rounds? That just sounds crazy. Anyways, I couldn’t find the article again, but I think Mel was just saying he doesn’t get why Cutler is so coveted when he hasn’t really done much outside of having a great statistical year, but don’t quote me on that.

by vikingfuture8816 on Apr 5, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand how

you can say that Cassel and Cutler are the same level of player?

Cassel played with arguable the best reciever corp in the League, and he played almost exclusivly form the shotgun.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Apr 5, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Different systems

but they have just about the same accomplishments. Jay Cutler played almost exclusively from the shotgun as the season went on as well. While clearly the Patriots have the best WR core, Marshall, Royal, Shockley, and Scheffluer aren’t bad at all.

by vikingfuture8816 on Apr 5, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t understand this poll. Cutler refused to play how is this on McDaniels?

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by aceinthecorner on Apr 5, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It takes 2

Most NFL coaches (or non-NFL coaches taking their first NFL coaching job) would LOVE to have a QB as young and talented as Jay Cutler, except for this 33yo coach who wanted a less talented career backup instead. And then he lied to Cutler about it rather than calmly and professionally explaining that it’s part of his job to listen to all offers or something like that. Part of a coach’s job is to teach his system/plays/philosophies. A truly good coach would be able to, you know, coach and teach the players he inherited as well as whomever he drafted. And as vikingfuture8816 also pointed out, the Broncos are still rebuilding the D, so there was time to lay out his system over at least 2 years rather than a few months, but now the Broncos will be rebuilding on both sides of the ball and less likely to contend for the AFC West Division title.

Some of it is on Cutler, but McDaniels started all of it. Yes, Cutler may have been a bit of a primadonna crybaby, but he probably didn’t want to waste away while McDaniels dismantled the entire roster. If Cutler was expendable, then who wasn’t?

by KC Viking on Apr 5, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

1) On McDaniels, I guess I just thought of him as a Belichek Yes-Man. Also, there have been several Patriot coordinators who haven’t impressed as head coaches in recent years.

2) Since both Pioli with the Chiefs and McDaniels pursued Cutler, I’m guessing it’s a familiarity issue, or maybe a belief in whatever systematic approach the Patriots may have with their QBs. But that’s just a guess; I can’t read McDaniels’s mind.

3) Cutler has a better pedigree and a longer track record than Cassel, so at this point I’m leaning towards Cutler.

4) I think Orton’s okay in the role he played at Chicago. If the Broncos want to feature him more, we’ll have to see if his efficiency can stay at the same level. He will have better recievers and a better line helping him, though.

by jianfu on Apr 5, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

1) I’m not that big a fan of the NE coaching staff beyond their ability to develop players. They’re successful, but I’d say that there are much more creative coaches out there – The Vikes do not need another predictable play-caller.

2) I think familiarity plays a big deal in a lot of trades (this one included). We’ve picked up a lot of ex-Eagles under Childress, Williamson went to re-join Mike Tice in Jacksonville, Madieu Williams was drafted by Leslie Frazier (if I recall correctly)… I suspect any new coach wants to work with familiar pieces as much as possible because it makes planning easier.

3) Cutler – more pro experience, more natural talent. I think Welker and Moss have made Cassel look stronger than he probably is.

4) I’m not sure about Orton – he seemed like a game manager in Chicago, but did well enough with limited resources… I suspect that like most Viking fans, I’d laugh til my ribs bust if he plays like a genius in Denver and Cutler stinks it up in Chicago…

by ViolentSilence on Apr 8, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs