Bears, NFC North Champs?
by All Day, All Night on May 1, 2009 7:35 PM CDT
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PrintI’m writing this because I’ve noticed there has been much debate over who should be considered favorites in the NFC North this upcoming season. Specifically, I want to talk about the Bears and Vikings. Why, you ask? The main reason is because I’ve noticed that a lot of Bears fans think very, very highly of their own team. So much that a lot of them are already crowning themselves 2009-2010 NFC North champions. They are already talking about winning the conference and wondering who they will face in the Super Bowl. I just want to point out that they should worry about their own division first before talking about deep playoff runs because I believe the Vikings are a superior team. To prove this, I will compare both teams position by position.
QB- Obviously the Bears have a new QB in town in Jay Cutler. He is Pro Bowl QB who has an awesome arm and is very accurate. I think he will have a large impact on the Bears offense and help Devin Hester tremendously. The Vikings on the other hand have the incredible Sagvaris Jacksonfels combo at QB. I think they have potential to be decent, but I’ve watched the Vikings too much the past few couple years to trust their QB’s.
ADVANTAGE: Bears
RB- There really is no competition here. The Vikings have the BEST running back in the league in Adrian Peterson and a backup in Chester Taylor who I believe could be a top 12 RB in the league if he started on another team. They form one of the best 1-2 punches in the league. Meanwhile, the Bears have Matt Forte and Kevin Jones. Matt Forte had an impressive rookie season last year and is a very versatile back who is great at catching the ball from the backfield. The Bears running game is nothing to laugh at, but it’s no where near as explosive as the Vikings’.
ADVANTAGE: Vikings
OL- The Bears added Kevin Shaffer, Frank Omiyale, and Orlando Pace to the offensive line this off-season. They should have an improved offensive line this year but Orlando Pace and Chris Williams are huge question marks due to their injury history. The Vikings don’t have the vaunted the o-line they once had but it’s still an above average line anchored by all-pro guard Steve Hutchinson. Anthony Herrera is serviceable, Bryant Mckinnie is inconsistent but mostly good, and the addition of Phil Loadholt should help erase memories of Ryan "False Start" Cook.
ADVANTAGE: Vikings
TE- The Vikings have a nice duo of tight ends in Jim Kleinsasse and Visanthe Shiancoe. While Jimmy focuses on mauling opponents during running plays, Shiancoe was a pleasant surprise last season when he remembered how to catch a pass and was for awhile T-Jacks favorite target. This is also an area of strength for Chicago because they have two good tight ends in Desmond Clark and Greg Olsen. Olsen is an extremely talented tight end who could thrive with Jay Cutler as the QB this upcoming season.
ADVANTAGE: Bears
WR- This is an area of extreme concern for the Bears. While I think Devin Hester could one day become a great number two wideout, he will never be a number one like the Andre Johnsons and Larry Fitzgeralds of the world. After Hester, the Bears have absolutely nothing at wide receiver. Rashied Davis is Troy Williamson 2.0, Brandon Lloyd is always hurt, and Earl Bennett had a grand total of wait for it….. 0 receptions last year. Juaquin Iglesias is their new receiver this year but as evidenced by Earl Bennetts success last year, we shouldn’t expect much. The Vikings aren’t loaded at WR but they have a great speedster in Bernard Berrian and serviceable slot receiver in Bobby Wade. Sidney Rice has potential but the big question mark really is Percy Harvin who has the potential to be a total bust or the Offensive Rookie of the year.
ADVANTAGE: Vikings
DL- Like RB, this one is not even close. The Bears have perennial underachiever Tommie Harris anchoring a D-line that couldn’t put together anything resembling a pass rush last year. Although, to their credit they are fantastic against the run as long as #28 isn’t on the other side of the line. As we all know the Vikings on the other hand have the modern version of the purple people eaters consisting of Jared Allen, the Williams Wall and Ray Edwards. To put in perspective how awesome the Vikings line was last year, they formed 75% of the NFC D-Line in the Pro Bowl last year.
ADVANTAGE: Vikings
LB- The Bears have Pro Bowler Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher. While this once was a fearsome LB crew, Urlacher is now a shell of him former self. The Vikings have an emerging LB core which consists of rising star Chad Greenway, the always reliable Ben Leber, and E.J. Henderson who I believe will be a top 5 middle linebacker soon.
ADVANTAGE: Vikings
DB- The Bears DB’s are just plain awful. Nathan Vasher is bad, Kevin Payne is bad, Josh Bullocks lead one of the worst pass D’s in New Orleans, and I think I just saw Bernard Berrian run past Charles Tillman again. The Vikings have Pro Bowler Antoine Winfield, and two good safeties in Madieu Williams and Tyrell Johnson. Cedric Griffin really impressed me last year. He seemed to improve every game and he pretty much shut down Larry Fitzgerald last year.
ADVANTAGE: Vikings
As you can see, the Vikings are a superior team in almost every category. I’m not just some blind homer who believes his team is the greatest in the world. The fact is that the Bears are not Super Bowl contenders and until proven otherwise, the Vikings are NFC North Champs.
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I will get to see for myself.
When I watch the Vikings-Bears game at the Metrodome, can’t wait!
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With this said
The only way the bears will beat the Vi-KINGs next year will be an any given Sunday situation where one shows up to play and the other doesn’t or the bears have the greatest off season of all time.
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with Favre, Vikes advantage in the QB dept!
I’m just kidding actually, would you still likely give Cutler the edge over Favre? Favre for the Vikes would have better WRs
Yes
I would still give the Bears a slight edge in that category. But I believe Favre would be in a MUCH better position to succeed given he would have much better weapons on offense and a great defense backing him up.
by All Day, All Night on May 1, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
Honestly, the Vikings don’t have much to lose with Favre. He comes in and plays decent, bringing his vast experience (aka: he could probably manage a game better than TJack/Rosenfels) and the Vikings excel despite his interceptions, TJack/Sage continue development. Or Favre comes in sucks, is washed up, but collects his 7 mil, we let TJack or Rosenfels relieve him and see how they do.
The Vikings won 10 games last yr despite Frerotte/TJack, who says they can’t win that many with a healthy biceped Favre (Which hopefully it does heal for MN’s purposes)? Favre is a gamer, the Vikings have a great team so we’re not asking him to do much at all (hand it off to Peterson, throw short to Harvin, bomb it occasionally to Berrian, beat the Packers at Lambeau, rub it in their face, sell tickets, bring Madden out of retirement, let the Vikings defense maul opposing teams).
Think about what opposing defenses would do, if they didn’t stack the box against Peterson? With Favre in I’m thinking defenses would have to respect the receivers a bit more, they’d be more likely to stack the box against Sage or TJack than Farve. We’ll see what happens, but getting Favre as a Free Agent if he wants to still game for a few million does not hamper the development of our elite backups, but maybe gives the Vikes a chance to compete in the “big dance.” If Favre sucks, we bench him and let our elite backups save the day : ) Chilly’s choice is a no-brainer for me, gamble on Favre, you’ve haven’t got much to lose!
What would defenses do? Probably the same thing they did to him when he was a Jet. Sure, the Jets don’t have Peterson, but they had a top ten rushing attack. When the Jets needed a win down the stretch, It wasn’t the Jets D that couldn’t stop opposing offenses and Jones/Washington didn’t become unproductive. Farve was the one, just ask his former Jet teammates.
Your saying Favre’s game play would be more of a liability than TJack’s or Rosenfels? I’m not so sure about that. Is Favre more of a gameplay liability than our current elite backups?
He got injured. That’s why they couldn’t rely on him. Not only that, but they had NOBODY behind Favre, which is why they didn’t switch him out. As we saw last season, Jackson has no issues coming in off the bench. Rosenfels doesn’t either. So if Favre does get hurt again, we still have a solid backup.
So the Vikings should bring in Farve just so he can play till he is hurt and then put in Jackson or Rosenfels? Boy I couldn’t wait to see the headlines on that one. “Moron coach breaks demi-god Farve’s consecutive start streak” or “Savior Brett said he could still play with injury despite doctors orders, Fire Chilly!”
Farve would be as safe behind the Vikings line as Freotte and how many times was he on the turf having trouble getting up? You said it yourself, he gets injured and the team can’t rely on him. Why put a liability like that on the roster when you can have the guys on the roster compete and not be such a liability?
Favre’s a bit more elusive than Frerotte. Frerotte stands there and takes the sack, Favre usually can scramble around a bit to get some more time. Even in his old age.
And why put Favre on the roster? Possibly because, when he’s healthy, he’s got good accuracy and touch on the ball, a quick release, and knows his plays. He’ll get the ball to recievers before they even make their cuts, so that when they do have that one-second opening, the ball’s right there waiting for them. And I didn’t mean that they couldn’t rely on him because he was going to get injured. I meant that they couldn’t rely on him to carry them on his back because he was injured. We don’t need Favre to carry the team on his back, we have Peterson for that. But Favre would greatly increase our passing game.
I’m not so sure that he’d greatly increase it. Slightly increase it, maybe. I’m honestly not convinced he’ll take us that much further. He may perform better than the current lot, but I don’t think he’d make the team that much better.
Also, we may not need him to carry the team, but would he really be okay with that? He might say he is, he might even act like it for a while, but if things start to turn bad, I have no doubt he’ll try to take the game into his own hands and only make the situation worse.
Plus, he’s Brett Favre. I hate Brett Favre. I hate everything about him, and I especially hate how him coming to Minnesota would instantly make at least half of the nation hate the Vikings.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on May 3, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
We will just haveto agree to disagree then, because I can see him definitely taking this team farther than Jackson or Rosenfels. He just makes things work. There’s no rhyme or reason to it, but for some reason plays that would result in Interceptions and benchings for other QBs turn into magical plays for Favre. You could see it last year in New York, especially against the Titans.
And besides, if things turn bad, and I’m assuming you mean that we’re losing beyond repair, then what’s it matter if he makes the situation worse. What’s going to happen, we lose by a larger ammount? Still a loss.
And yes, I also used to hate Brett. But that was when he was employed by the Packers. He was then the enemy. Now, he’s simply a free agent, no different than Jeff Garcia or Kurt Warner were. He’s an upgrade at the QB position.
I respect your opinion, and normally I agree with most of your thoughts, so I have no problem agreeing to disagree. We’ll just have to see how this all plays out and hope for the best either way.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on May 3, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Btw, I was just speaking to Brett yesterday and he said that he has been a fan of yours since the day he misread your name as FavreForTheVikings. He said that is what made up his mind that he wanted to play for the Vikes. It just sounded right. Plus, he loved that photoshopped picture of him in a Vikings uniform.
:P
In all seriousness, though, I am not leaning either way. Experience has taught me that anything can happen with an experienced, proven player from the past. Just when folks write someone off, they tend to turn in their best work. Warner was a great example of that, as was Favre in his last year with the Packers. I think he breathed life back into the Jets last year. I went to a Jets game at the Meadowlands the year before that and felt the pain that their fans had of being perennial losers, yet were still die-hards. (Best part of that game was halftime. “Show us your tits” was the chant when they put good looking women on the mainscreen. It was so unexpected that 60,000 people were chanting that at the same time at a football game, and it didnt seem that anyone took offense…..love surprises)
Favre
Something that occurred me… IF this guy came to town, especially with his ego, and his experience, there’s an aspect to the game that he’d change which may not have been considered… the playbook would have to be opened up. A lot. Favre wouldn’t be the sort of QB who’d settle for running the offense in lock-step, he’d improvise to overcome. He’d scan the defense, spot the weaknesses, and try to exploit them. Like him or not, that’s who he is; one of the most experienced veteran QBs in the NFL and a leader, not a biotch-boy following orders from the side-line. If the playbook wasn’t opened for him, I can see him making up plays off the top of his head in the huddle, or in practice, to run things the way he wanted to run them. Chilly may be getting more than he bargained for if he brings in Favre, and the Vikings might get a whole new-look offense.
I can’t say that those things would make me sad.
wow!!!
in a world where the media has beaten this dead horse, gave him mouth to mouth, only to revive him and beat him again, you have come up with one unique, and interesting aspect to this whole topic. imagine a vikings team where the playbook is wide open… wait, what am i rambling about? am i actually being sympathetic to viking fans? i better go put on my payton jersey, paint my face blue and orange, and say ten “hail mary’s”!!!
Don't Get Me Wrong
I’m a Vikings fan from birth, but I think that there are a few categories missing that the bears take entirely.
Kicker- Gould > Longwell
Punter- Maynard > Kluwe (he’s got the leg but needs the accuracy)
Return Team- Hester > Harvin (at least to this point )
I’ll give them the punting and the returning, but I’d say the kicking is too close to call and I may give the edge to Longwell simply because he can kick the 50+ ones. He was 6 for 6 last year. Gould never attempted one. There has to be a reason for that.
"Skol pa fiskande"
+1
They took him off return duty ‘cause they felt he wasn’t focusing on WR enough. And he kept getting hurt. And he wasn’t as explosive as in previous years.
They took him away from the KR
because of all the money they paid him to be a WR. Plus, Danieal Manning was #1 in KR last year, so he stepped in nicely.
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Who the hell knows? It’s the NFL…
Here’s the point differentials for the division last season…
Vikings, +46
Bears, +25
Packers, +39
Lions, -249
This probably suggests the Packers should at least be in the conversation, and I think they’re the youngest team in the division, to boot. If they get a little more from their defense, they could easily win it, as their offense is the division’s best.
Of course, the Bears and Vikings could point to things, too. The Bears probably think Cutler will give them better offensive efficiency. And the Vikings, honestly, had a historically bad performance on special teams last year. You can’t wipe ALL those points away (take away some of those TD for returns and give the opponents some hypothetical drives instead, and they’ll get some points still, just not as many because they’ll also have some punts). Odds are, the special teams will bounce back and be better.
But it’s all so unpredictable. It should be an interesting race.
You overlooked important things, and also were wrong about other things.
Glad to see you admitted that Cutler was better than your dreadful combo, but this helps tremendously. Football teams are anchored on their QB. We have no good receivers, but would colston and lance moore be much more without drew brees? Having cutler helps immensely. I concede to the RB, although we may not need such an explosive running attack. Furthermoe, our defense has always been great against the run, and we stack the box so often, we kept Adrian Peterson human last season.
Oline has 3 potentila pro bowlers and has great great depth, they are tied at least.
We have a better special teams unit hands down.
One last thing, you are wrong about the defense. With rod the D-line will at least improve and be comparable to the williams. This is the contract year for many linemen and they will perform. The defense is set to bounce back, kevin payne is a good safety against the run conveniantly, and bullocks will be playing for a contract. Not saying they are better, but…Also our linebackers are much better. Who has even heard of your linebackers compared to briggs, who registered the most tackles in last years pro bowl for nfc.
look for us (bears) to go 2-0, against viks.
by blahblahblahblah on May 1, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions
This is all pretty humorous
The only position on the field where the Bears have an advantage over the Vikings is at QB. . .and, as we’ve all seen over the last 60 years, Chicago is where QB talent goes to die. Sid Luckman is the Bears’ all-time leading passer. . .Sid Luckman also hasn’t taken a snap for the Bears since 1950.
You “kept Adrian Peterson human” last season? I had no idea that most “human” running backs averaged 5.0 ypc and had 2 100+ yard games and 3 TD against such an allegedly great defense. I’m guessing you haven’t noticed, but Adrian Peterson pretty much owns the Chicago Bears. Nothing leads me to believe he’ll be selling them back this season.
Your O-line is not tied with ours. They’re not close. I, for one, will enjoy watching Jared Allen run numerous circles around Orlando Pace this year, and I’ll also enjoy watching Pat Williams owning Olin Kreutz, just like he does every time the Vikings and Bears get together.
No D-tackle combo in the NFL is “comparable” to the Williams Wall, and yours isn’t anywhere close. You also don’t have a DE remotely in Jared Allen’s league.
Your only LB that’s worth a damn is Briggs. Anyone that watched the second half of last year knows that Urlacher is becoming more of a liability than an asset, and he’s getting by on reputation alone right now.
The only way the Bears go 2-0 against Minnesota next year is if the Vikings forfeit both games. Our “crappy” offense averaged about 38 points/game against the Bears last season. . .I honestly don’t expect that to change. If the Bears don’t get their standard 8-9 lucky special teams bounces a game, they don’t win.
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by Christopher Gates on May 1, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow. Total beeyatch slapping just laid down.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on May 1, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Bears fans...
Are so very optimistic…………(I laugh)……… who again are the top three receivers Cutler is going to throw to? I have two in my head, your tight end Greg Olsen and the KR/PR turned receiver Devin Hester. I’m sure opposing defenses are scared about those offensive studs!
The Viking’s Berrian (deep threat), Wade (possession), Rice (raw skills, hops), and now Harvin (explosive) make your receiving corps look very paltry! I almost forgot our TE, Shank the Snake, he’s got skills, especially when cameras are in the locker room!
Da blowhards from da city of Chicago
Here’s the real story, Your getting a second rate premadonna in Jay Cutler who couldn’t “cut it” in Denver cause he sucked and now has to find greener pastures somewhere else. At best your QB situation is about even with the Vikings and you lose badly at just about every other position except linebacker and placekicker. Big deal. This division belongs to the Vikings so you can put down your Pabst Blue Ribbon cans and Polish sausage sandwiches and stop farting on each other and realize that another season is set to go down the way of the Viking.
I disagree
I think Cutler is a good QB. I think that he will do decent in Chicago, but not as well as most folks think. I also think Orton will do good in Denver. Cutler COULD cut it in Denver, which is why so many teams were interested in him. I would have liked to have seen him as a Vike, but then we wouldn’t have had such a nice draft.
Here is what I hope to see: I don’t think Tarvaris has what it takes to lead us to the SB, despite flashes of good QBing. I hope that Sage beats him out for the starting position, then shows that he can be a top-tier QB with a decent team, where he isn’t playing catch up all the time. As long as he doesn’t Rosencopter anymore, he will probably be quite good. If this happens, then critics, like myself, will shut up and we will think about being SB viable for the next 5 years, at least. That is how close we are to being compared to the Colts, Giants, and possibly even the Patriots of the last 5 years.
prima donna???
…who couldn’t cut it in denver… is this the same “cutler” the vikes were chasing after blowing it on t.j.???
learn to use "reply" button
Yes, the same Cutler. The one that we also decided not to pursue in the end. We were the reason that Cassell isn’t in Denver and Cutler isn’t in Minny. We (our front office) didn’t like something we saw, so we nixed the deal. Oui?
you wish
but what a lame wish. The Vikes first and foremost aren’t going anywhere. But even in some Chicago-Bizzaro world, the Vikes will still kick your a$s with Berrian and Wade no matter where they play.
Keep dreamin’, the North is going to be a story about the Vikes for a while to come.
Heh
I would still be heartbroken. I don’t believe in teams leaving their home cities. I believe that a team should be disbanded if it can’t make it, and perhaps the owner can have a shot at an expansion team somewhere else. But moving a team that has hundreds of thousands of heart strings attached to it is cruel.
I like rivalries and I like tradition.
+1
thats cause its the old school way, the viking way!
new york viking
by new york viking on May 2, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
wasn't that the "northstar way" too???
i have always said that teams should never be allowed to move, so in that sense, i couldn’t agree with you more!!! smd, yes, there’s nothingbetter than two rival teams going at it in the trenches… and once again nm, you let
your emotions, and not facts, show in your postings… don’t let me ruffle your feathers, i’m just here to talk about football.
Cutler
I was glad the Vikings passed on Cutler. I agree with Dilfer that it would not have helped the Vikes that much. I think it also could have gotten ugly if things went bad and he didn’t come out winning right away. His attitude could use an adjustment.
However, he will probably make the BEARS a better team. I also think the Bears are several pieces away from being a solid team. I don’t think Cutler is enough to make them a winning team. Their defense is not quite the same at DT, which I think makes Urlacher less effective. When he can break through open lanes, that’s when he’s most effective.
The Vikes however are looking good on defense. I can’t wait to see Henderson this year with Greenway and Leber. Henderson was having an awesome year last year. If can play at that same level, the front seven is looking tough.
The Vikings are going to be a more complete package than Chicago. The Vikes should win AT LEAST 10 games, given their schedule this year. The Bears are probably looking at 10 games being their ceiling, but could go more like 8 games. It will be very interesting to watch Cutler if the Bears start out slow. You saw how he did in Denver. He alone was not enough to get in the playoffs. I don’t see why Chicago should expect more. He’s gonna be on a big stage after this offseason. If things start out slow, I could see him packing it in and LOSE 10 games. After all, it wouldn’t be Cutler’s fault if they lose 10, right? He’ll still be a pro-bowler.
Unless Cutler plans on playing DT, I don’t see the Bears being that great. Who’s Cutler throwing to again anyhow? My point is they have other issues besides QB to address and unless they still have more off-season moves to make, they don’t look that great. Those lost draft picks will kinda hurt too.
BTW – I like Shiancoe and Kleinsasser as much as Chicago’s TE’s. But throw in Mills and I like Minnesota’s better. Shiancoe was starting to look good, if he can do the same with Sage, he could be huge.
well said
And personally, I think our TE situation is better as well, even without Mills. Shiancoe is better than Olson and will become an even bigger force to reckon with this year, now that he is growing comfortable in Minnesota. Kleinsasser is an excellent blocking back…better than any of Chicago’s TEs.
Where is the talk of the Packers? I think they will be right in the mix as well. Rodgers is pretty good, and they have a team full of playmakers that are only getting better. I see a 3-team race to the end again, unless Sage or TJax end up putting up good numbers this year, at which point, noone in the division will be able to keep up.
Linebackers
I don’t know maybe I’m just giving them credit for past performance but I can’t say for sure our Linebackers are better. You won’t find a much bigger fan of Greenway than me but I still say that ones a very close battle that will have to be decided as the year goes on.
I have to strongly disagree with Lofoten about Greg Olsen. I think we’ll see with a top flight QB throwing how good Olsen really is. Shiancoe turned out to be good at the end of last year but Olsen will likely be a top 2 or 3 tight end in the league soon.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
The Williams Bros. and JA
That’s what makes the Viking LBs better. Urlacher is not big enough to have an average front 4 in front of him. He’s still good, but not like he was when they had those enormous DTs plugging the middle. I think you have to evaluate them based on the players that help them as well. But the Bears LBs are talented, I’ll give you that.
Just like I would like Olsen more if they had better WRs. He might be their #1 target. That’s a lot to expect from a TE. Who is their #1 target? 23???
I’d say Greenway is much better than Hillenmeir, I’d also take EJ Henderson over Urlacher. Where they have an advatnage is Lance Briggs over Leber. I’d give us the advantage.
But, yes, Olson wil probably dominate us. Our defense is terrible against TEs, or so it seems, and Olson is definitely one of the better ones.
A quick note to All Day, All Night
It’s not LB core, or WR core, or Marine Core. It’s LB corps, WR corps, and Marine Corps.
I know that this is the internet—and so who gives a shit?—but it’s a pet peeve of mine. Carry on.
Apple core, Baltimore….who’s your friend?
(only the older group will understand that saying….if you know what it pertains to, you get +15, if you didnt have to do a search on the internet for it)
What if I nod and laugh, even though I have absolutely no idea what you’re referencing? Can I at least get +7.5?
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by FarvaForTheVikings on May 2, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha! I get five points. My evil plot to trick you into giving me five points worked, hahaha!
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by FarvaForTheVikings on May 3, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
All it is going to take is a few weeks of Cutler's recievers dropping the ball.
This is the kind of guy who has been built up his entire life. Told he is better than everyone else and that he is special.
As soon as he stops being special, you will see a huge change.
It can go one of two ways.
Either he realizes that he is just a guy, and so are the other people on his team, and that realization humbles him and he becomes what he has the potential to become.
Or, the more likely scenario:
He continues to think it is everyone else’s fault, berates them instead of working with them, and causes the team to come apart at the seams.
Insert generic "ViQueens" comment...
God, bears packers bears packers bears fans are the worst.
V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!
No generic comment...
We could both have very similar recaords (maybe 7-3?) when we meet for the first time in week 12. That will probably be a huge game for both the Bears and the Vikes. Y’all got lucky in your first 4 games though… if the Williamses get a 4 game suspension, they will only miss the Browns, Lions, Niners, and Pack. That’s huge for the Vikings…
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are the worst at what???
you obviously seem to have an obsession with chicago(i.e., bulls and cubs fan) and have other ties to illinois(CAN SOMEBODY SAY “CHAMPAGNE/URBANA”)… so why the hate??? plus, you might also want to take notice that the “viqueen” comment came from a “viking” fan with huge ties to da chi… hmmm… i smell double agent.
Not his fault.
He was lured by the good feeling of being a Viking fan. The “ViQueen” was a slip of the tongue from his Bears fan days. We are into collecting Bear fans lately.
Geaux Vikings!
lol... like bobble heads, eh???
maybe for good conversation… hey, seriously, you gotta hate some other team more than the bears right? that could be a good thread… what viking matchup you’d like to watch the most???
Um...Yeah You Are.
I’m not just some blind homer who believes his team is the greatest in the world.
The fact that you dismiss both RB and DL positions as “no contests,” but seem to try to make a legitimate comparison in QB proves how laughable your comparison is. Keep dreaming. The fact that you give an edge to your linebackers is a joke. The fact that you dismiss the Bear secondary so readily is ridiculous. And how good is your OL again? You expect Loadholt to make that big a difference off the bat? Again total bias. Who’s your center again? This analysis is a total joke. You should at least try to do a respectable job.
I’ll leave you with this. We split last year with with Kyle Orton at QB. Now that we’ve tremendously upgraded THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION on the field, what do you think is going to happen again?
And this time try not being a Homer.
Only time will tell
RB and DL are “no contests” AD is the best back in the game. Ask anyone. And the Vikings have arguably the best DL in the game. Arguably. And the Bears are not in that argument.
LB is close, but the edge has to go to the Vikings. EJ Henderson was injured last year, and the Vikings still finished 1st in run D. Greenway is a young stud, EJ is a beast, and Leber is average (reliable). Who do the Bears have that is on the upside of their careers? yeah, didn’t think so.
Vikings secondary has some questions, that is true. But they have less questions than the Bears do. Not to mention we have Winfield, the best small, run stopping, hard hitting corner in the league.
OL goes to the Vikings hands down. McKinney>Pace (anyone who got cut from the Rams can’t be that great!). Not to mention Hutchinson is the best LG in the game. We drafted Birk’s replacement last year. Herrera is reliable at RG, and Loadholt will be a beast a RT.
I will be excited to hear what Bears fans have to say when Cutler doesn’t put up way better stats than Orton did last year. Total waste of 2 1sts and a 3rd.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on May 10, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
All day, all night
I agree with most of your comparisons but not really the LB or secondary ones. Even though Urlacher wasn’t as dominant last season he is still one of the better MLBs in the league, and Briggs is a beast. Leber is solid, and Greenway is good but neither of them are Briggs, and while I agree Henderson will probably be top 5 this year, he still has to come back from his injuries and prove he is top 5. Until that happens I’ll take Urlacher all day over Henderson.
As far as the secondary goes for both teams, neither was very good. Winfield can deliver a blow, but is at best a little above average in coverage, and Griffin is at best a average CB in the nfl. Vasher was bad last year but he was hurt almost the whole year, and yes Tillman got burned by BB at the dome but he is still a good CB. With Vasher healthy, and Tillman back, plus Mike Brown healthy who is a very good smart SS, the Bears definitely have the edge over you guys in the secondary.
But regardless I still feel the Vikes are better team, and think the Pack will challenge the Vikes more then the Bears will.
Just a note...
The Bears cut Mike Brown, and are considering moving Tillman to be his replacement at safety due to his being a liability in coverage at corner.
And Henderson’s injury is the type of injury that, once healed, is gone for good. I’m not at all worried about him. I also agree about Briggs, but I’d take Greenway and Leber over Briggs and that other guy any day. Head to head, Briggs is better than both, but comparing our two outside against the Bears two outside, I’d rather have two players you can depend upon on a regular basis than one great player and one guy who shouldn’t even be on the field.
by Eric The Viking on May 20, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
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