Sunday's Notebook: The Docs, and Greenway, Weigh in on Favre
Couldn't help but notice that Doogie Wolfson, formerly of the Chad Hartman show on KFAN, posted an interesting article on the Strib's website yesterday. In it, Doogie lists his picks for the best and worst TV sports anchors/reporters in the Twin Cities -- with Mark Rosen and Anthony LaPanta as his two top picks and Phil Aldridge and Mike Max as the metro area's two worst sports anchors/reporters in his view.
Any takes on this? I think it's a pretty interesting topic, and I'm completely in agreement with Doogie on his pick of Rosen as the best in the market -- of the sports anchors for the evening newscasts in town, he's easily the sharpest. I also refuse to watch/listen to Mike Max; if I wanted to hear nonstop nauseating cheerleading from a local sports reporter, I'd open to page three of the Strib and read Sid. I might throw Eric Perkins into the mix for the "worst" category -- can't say I've ever found him terribly insightful when he's anchoring the KARE 11 sports, and it's also beyond me why they keep taping those "Perk at Play" segments.
Anyways, let's shift to some Vikings notes as the weekend carries on...
My Attempt to Talk About Something Other Than Favre
In a Vikings story that doesn't involve Brett Favre, I want to point you over to Bleacher Report for a solid breakdown by Andy Rarick of what to expect from the NFC North's rookie class this season. Here are his prognostication for Percy Harvin's 2009 stat line when it's all said and done:
Harvin is a dual threat who will add some spark to a terrible passing offense. He also has the ability to run out of the backfield. I would be surprised if he doesn't start every game next season.
His 2009 will define who he is as an NFL player. Maybe he'll hit somewhere in the range of 48 catches for 690 yards and 5 touchdowns. He'll have some runs out of the backfield, but not many with Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor.
Good calls all around in my book -- and if anyone's gonna derail those serviceable numbers, I'd make the argument that it'll be Chilly and not Harvin himself. When it comes to Harvin, the character concerns aren't even at the top of my list of things to be worried about. Take a look at the featured poll on the main page of this site, which asks, "Do you think that Brad Childress and the Vikings know how to properly utilize Percy Harvin?" 52% say yes; 48% say no.
That's what you've really gotta be concerned about, as opposed to the possibility that Percy will do something stupid -- which does indeed remain a possibility, even though I think the character concerns were largely overblown by the media. Indeed, I do have big questions about Childress' ability to break out of the boring, vanilla offense he's been running since he came to town and reinvent himself to make things work with Harvin. The addition of a terrifyingly-athletic multi-purpose player to the offense is a golden opportunity for Chilly to bring that monotony to an end, but part of me thinks he's too damn stubborn to do so.
From the Fanposts: Where Does Vick Fit?
Over in the Fanposts section, Macdaddy4508 makes a solid case against Brian Baldinger's claim that there isn't a good fit for Michael Vick out there in the NFL. Hell, if Vick wouldn't be a public relations nightmare/the Vikings weren't in the middle of a Brett Favre circus, I might even be tempted to give him a shot in Minnesota. Just think -- Michael Vick, Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin on the same field. That's so frightening, it should be illegal (again, provided Chilly could make it work, which would be a significant question mark).
Back to reality, though -- I do hope Vick gets a shot to make a comeback, but it'll be entirely his responsibility to lay the groundwork for a team making the decision to take a chance on him. I think many people are of the opinion that he's paid his debt to society and deserves another chance, though he'll need to do some interviews, show some remorse, etc. before an NFL team will give him a shot. If Vick can make it past that hurdle -- which will be easier said than done -- he deserves a chance, and I think the public will gladly, and rightly, grant him one.
OK, Back to Favregeddon
I don't know the complete background on this, but Alex Marves of Fox Sports has a quote from Chad Greenway about Favre that's a bit more diplomatic than what Greenway said last week (the Vikings already have "two great quarterbacks"). Here it is:
Minnesota linebacker Chad Greenway says he would support the signing of Brett Favre provided he was "all in" — i.e. a participant in the team's offseason program like fellow quarterbacks Sage Rosenfels and Tarvaris Jackson.
Ha ha ha ha ha! Well, I certainly admire the wishful thinking on Greenway's part, and I also appreciate the fact that he's consistently shown support for Rosenfels and Jackson -- two guys who probably aren't feeling very great right about now, and probably haven't felt very great for the past few weeks. But there's no chance in hell of Favre coming within 1,000 miles of the team's offseason activities.
That, Chad, would be the precise reason for the should-I-or-should-I-not Brett Favre dance that #4's perfected by now. I couldn't agree more with the concern Chad is expressing -- that Favre is setting himself up to be a distant presence in the locker room, something that apparently happened last year in New York -- but again, this is the price you're required to pay if you want Brett Favre in purple.
The Docs Weigh in: How Risky is Favre?
Albert Breer of The Sporting News caught up with orthopedic surgeon Neal ElAttrache, a former team doctor in the NFL, to get ElAttrache's take on just how big a risk Favre's partially torn biceps would be for the Vikings:
Bottom line: if Favre so desires to play for the Vikings, playing through a completely torn biceps tendon a) poses very minimal risk for further injury, b) should have very little detriment to his performance and c) comes with precedent.
"Is it too risky to sign a player (with Favre's condition)? I know those Minnesota doctors, and if they're looking at the rotator cuff, and see that the cuff looks reasonable, I'd bet they wouldn't be scared off," ElAttrache said. "The complete biceps tear doesn't cause stress or strain on the rotator cuff. ... I think there's really no risk at all. The treatment would be to surgically cut it. You saw it with Elway, and he was immediately better for it."
Florio wonders how seriously we should take doctors who comment on Favre's condition and yet haven't examined him -- still, I can't say I have a problem with it. Sure, you should take this with a grain of salt or three, but these guys know what they're talking about. At the end of the day, the only verdict that matters is that of the Vikings team doctors, but from this report and another one from Sean Jensen (which quotes a shoulder specialist as saying Favre's injury will require, at worst, minor surgery), it certainly seems like a comeback is more than doable for Favre.
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Nice job mixing it up...
I hope Harvin looks like Hester did his first year, but then again I hope Harvin becomes a better receiver.
Favregeddon will be reaching the apocalyptic finale around late June/ early July. I’m not paying attention to Him unless he says something himself. While these OTA’s are going on—- his mouth will be shut.
One big difference
Hester started his career as a defensive back.
Harvin always has been, and always will be a receiver. It’s a completely different mind set and a completely different background. Harvin will be much better than Hester when you compare their first year on offense.
by Eric The Viking on May 17, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
it certainly seems like a comeback is more than doable for Favre.
Damn.
I don’t care if it’s expected, I will still complain.
If we sign him, Favre better get his butt in gear. I fully share Greenway’s sentiment. Well, the second half of it at least. Replace “support” with “grudgingly tolerate” and you have my stance on the issue.
As for Harvin, hopefully he’s good enough to overcome Chilly’s machinations.
As a side note, I’m really loving your work so far Anthony. Thorough, detailed, interesting, etc.
In AP I trust
Brett Favre should go die somwhere
by FarvaForTheVikings on May 17, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions
Counterpoints
Let’s not pretend to know Brad Childress or Brett Favre, but let’s take another look at some things.
Sure, Brad Childress has grown from the West Coast coaching tree, and the West Coast (a term once formed by a reporter taking the words of Bernie Kosar out of context) is a conservative offense. It’s not Air Coryel or something of which Al Davis dreams at night. It’s a dink and dunk offense that has a large family tree, indicative of its success in the NFL. Bill Walsh did not have Joe Montana win the Super Bowl by throwing hail marys all day at Jerry Rice. Evolution doesn’t favor the flashiest dinosaurs; it steadily favors the ones that survive. Creativity may get you style points, but in the NFL, excess styling can get you a penalty. The West Coast beats you by doing little things right over and over.
Coach Childress has seen that if you have the right players, like a Westbrook and a McNabb, the West Coast can indeed kick some behind, and he also knows you need to weave those guys’ talents into the fabric of what you do. Don’t fall on the floor when you see Harvin go where no bold Minnesota KAO has gone before.
You may never see the OTA-ridden Brett Favre, but you will see the GTA (Geriatric Training Activities) Favre, or else none at all. After the rocky love for Tarvaris Jackson, Coach Childress is not going to give his heart away to any quarterback who lacks team development participation. Favre may not have a lot to learn, but he does have a lot to teach, and Brad Chlidress can read the comments of Jet players in the press, just like everyone else. If the parts of a team fail to mesh, the team doesn’t run well enough to win a Super Bowl. Expect Mr. Childress to keep his eyes on the prize. He won’t let Favre break up the work he has put into molding the locker room thus far. He’d sooner see Favre still riding his lawn tractor than see an outbreak of the prima donna flu spoil the show.
Brett was once a deer-in-the-headlights quarterback himself. He got better with guts by working through things. He’s Brett Favre; he’s not T. O.. He fights management dictators, not the working stiffs.
My bet is that Brett will be in camp as soon as his arm allows him to play without pain. There will be plenty of attention in training camp, but I’m sure that Brett will roll up his sleeves and handle that admirably, in his bright new purple jersey.
Counterpoint to your counterpoint
Yes, the West Coast system is a dink and dunk system, but you still need to utilize your players correctly, and put them in places where they can actually make plays. The fear is that Chilly doesn’t know how to do that, especially with a player like Harvin. For example, Chilly, in his three year tenure, has been a very predictable play caller, which has allowed opposing defenses to prepare for the type of play that is coming next. That generally is not a way to put your play makers in a position to make a play.
As for Favre, Childress has already tipped his hand… Or at least the Wilf’s did it for him. Favre pretty much can do whatever he wants at this point. Last season, we gave him almost all of the leverage we could have had… And now, Mark Wilf gave him whatever we had left. It’s a well known fact that Childress, Bevell and Favre are all friends, and that the two coaches have been salivating over him for an entire year now. The only “X Factor” was the Wilf brothers, but they went ahead and tipped their hand already too. Childress has been overruled by the Wilf’s, if Favre wants to skip the OTAs, he can just say that he needs the time to heal and he won’t have to go. Watch for Favre to get the surgery, and watch for it to be about 3-4 weeks before training camp, so that as soon as that recovery phase is over, so are all of the OTAs, and all that’s left is training camp. Just watch, it’ll happen.
by Eric The Viking on May 17, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Michael Vick
I think it’s hilarious when people talk about Vick being an upgrade over Jackson. Besides the fact that he is now just shy of 29 years old and hasn’t played in 2 years, he was never that great to begin with. Sure he was a great running threat at quarterback but it wasn’t enough to make up for his accuracy issues (career 53.8% completion percentage, never higher than 56.4%). Even Jackson has never had a completion percentage that low.
Vick’s only chance is to latch on with some team that needs a wildcat quarterback, the only real offense he can theoretically still succeed in. Since the Dolphins drafted Pat White, his options will be limited.
Not to mention his fumbles
the guy had some butterfingers while running. He wasn’t so bad at the beginning of his career, but near the end, before his suspension and jail sentence, he was just terrible at holding onto the ball.
Fellas, am I gonna have to break out this video? Kidding, kidding — I think those are all solid arguments, but more than anything, I find myself in agreement with Jeff Schultz of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution about the biggest hurdle that Vick will face. Bottom line: You think this Favre thing has created a circus in Minnesota, just wait and see what happens if/when an NFL team gives Vick a shot. Schultz lists Vick’s failings in the NFL as “leadership, work ethic, resolve, toughness, maturity, teamwork, character” — if he can’t get his act together in a hurry in those regards, he won’t have a chance at dealing with the PR nightmare he’ll be facing.
Missing OTAs
I could understand that a lot better if we were talking about a guy who had been with the team a while, no big surprises on the O side of things, and maybe he’s got a trip to Disneyworld planned with the wife and kids. He’s got better things to do with is time, he’s a vet, he’s earned a pass now and again.
But in this case, Favre, although a vet, is new to the Vikes, doesn’t know the Viking receivers and they don’t know him. He’d have a completely green Harvin to get to know, and he has no idea what to expect out of the O-line’s performance other than tape, and now that’s up in the air with Loadholt coming in. In short, Favre has a lot to learn in OTA, and he has to earn his teammate’s respect, get the necessary buy-in… skipping the OTAs is not a good start.
On Vick…. all I have to say is… ; 2 years.

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