Thursday's Notebook: Taking on Vegas
Over or Under?
With a tip o' the hat to The Big Lead, the blog Vegas Watch has a nice recap of the 2009 NFL win total over/unders as released by Vegas' sports gurus. Vegas is projecting the Vikings to win nine games this season -- neck-and neck with two of our NFC North foes (looking strictly at the projected totals, they're projecting the Packers to win nine and the Bears to win 8.5 -- the Lions are a few games back of the NFC North crowd with a predicted total of five wins).
Even if you wouldn't be in for much of a payday by taking the over, I think nine seems about right for the Vikes. As the roster currently stands, they're a solid 10-win team in my book...with a roster that has remained mostly intact from last season, a second-consecutive 10-6 season would seem to be a fairly conservative prediction at the moment. True, a break or two either in their favor or against them could swing that to 9-7 or perhaps even 11-5, but I don't see this current Vikings team finishing the season anywhere below 9-7 or anywhere above 11-5.
That prediction assumes either Tarvaris Jackson's ability to continue playing at the level he finished the 2008 regular season at or Sage Rosenfels' ability to improve on two of T-Jack's major shortfalls -- completion percentage and sack avoidance. If one of those assumptions is broken, that 10-win season could fall through in a hurry.
With a certain major addition to the roster that is approaching the point of being imminent, though, that's not the question currently on the minds of Vikings fans: the big question is how many wins Brett Favre is worth. If we consider the Vikings a team that can win nine or 10 games without Favre, they can probably win 11 or 12 games with him. I understand the reasons that people are uncomfortable with the idea of Favre in purple -- I really do. But in an increasingly-competitive NFC North, every single win counts. As much as I hate to admit it myself, Favre could very well be the difference between the Vikings repeating in the North or not repeating.
Alrighty -- I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the Vegas win total projection for the Vikings. (Is nine too high, too low, or just about right?) And after the jump, I've got a quote from Purple Jesus on his fumblitis, a rumor Steve Mariucci's cooked up over the last couple days, and a lunch with Chilly...
Purple Jesus Unconcerned About Fumblitis
Zulgad caught up with Adrian Peterson on Wednesday and had the chance to ask him about his fumbling problem -- Purple Jesus finished last season with nine fumbles and led the league by a long-shot in rushing fumbles. I was a bit surprised by Adrian's response, which was somewhat dismissive of his fumbling issues:
"When I watched the film, it really wasn’t the guys, the blows they were hitting [me with]. It was me being careless with the ball, trying to go the extra yard. Get to the end zone, because that’s my mindset. There’s so many things I can work on. Fumbling the ball, that’s not my main concern at all. I do a good job holding onto the ball. I guess you could argue from last year, but that’s definitely not my main concern."
It's damn near impossible to single out an aspect of Purple Jesus' game that can be criticized, but this is it: He's gotta figure something out to start taking better care of the football. And sure, it might be a little picky to criticize him for his fumblitis given that he led the league in rushing last year, but damn...many of those fumbles really stung an offense that just wasn't built to handle setbacks like that. After fumbling just four times in his rookie season, Peterson fumbled four times in a span of three games at one point last year.
Anyway, do you find his response just a tad odd? I'd certainly hope he's concerned about his tendency to fumble the football because...well, he led the freaking league in that category. If he matched his rookie season total of four fumbles last year, his statement "I do a good job holding onto the ball" would be completely justifiable, but not when he's the league-leader. At that point, he needs to make some sort of correction or tweak.
Mooch Jumps Into Favre Circus
It wouldn't be a proper recap of the latest Vikings news without another vague Brett Favre rumor being thrown out there, and luckily, Steve Mariucci stepped up to the plate earlier this week with a tidbit of his own:
He's trying to determine if his shoulder is going to allow him to throw the ball well enough. Of course, the Vikings want to know, and are trying to determine, if the torn biceps tendon will be healed enough to play well. So both sides are evaluating the situation.
Brett prefers not to have surgery unless it's a last resort. He has consulted a physician to get another opinion. I supposed that was the Vikings' request. There's enough time for him to get in shape and get ready if they can work it out.
I suppose that's a new morsel of information: the Vikings requested that Favre consult another physician for a second opinion on his right shoulder. Not anything that's at all surprising, but there you have it.
A Lunch with Brad Childress
When you least expect it...Brad Childress might be entering a restaurant you're eating in, enjoying a California burger with fries at a table next to you, and joking about the Brett Favre drama:
Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress paid an unannounced visit to Hudson on Friday, May 8, stopping by Barker’s Bar & Grill for lunch while on a car trip to Chicago.
Patron Mike Laatsch, who was at a table next to Childress’, commented as the coach was about to leave that it was too bad that the Vikings wouldn’t be getting Favre.
"That’s what you think," Childress reportedly told Laatsch as he exited the restaurant.
Ha! Love it. Not anything newsworthy in this article, but it's a solid story to show that there is -- as implausible as it occasionally seems -- a softer side to Chilly. Although he obviously enjoys protraying himself as a stoic, serious type of guy, I don't think he'd be half bad as company during a quick lunch.
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Excelent take on the Viking’s odds this season.
While we are biased and often predict for the Vikings to do better than nine wins (including me), from an outside standpoint, nine wins makes sense. Plus, it’s not sexy to pick the Vikings, so I’ll be happy they didn’t go ga-ga over the Bears.
Favre may mean more wins, but I’m more concerned about when we’ll lose. Will he repeat last year’s performance, starting well and then plummeting precipitously? Will he choke in the late division games and cost us the crown? If we make the playoffs, will he throw another game-ending interception?
I suppose these are questions you could ask with any of our quarterbacks, but he’s been doing these things for years. Or maybe I’m “close-minded,” as some have said.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
by FarvaForTheVikings on May 21, 2009 7:24 AM CDT reply actions
Odds
I’m not normally a big gambling guy, but if I can get good odds on 10-6 from a Vegas bookie, I just might take them up on that. Yeah, I think they’re under the reasonable bar on this one.
I don’t believe that Favre will improve the season much, he brings too many issues along with his positives. Where Favre makes the real difference is in the playoffs.
Childress is the man.
Who can forget this awesome quote regarding Troy Williamson?
“Do you need my reach? I’m not like a woman; I’ll give you my weight. It’s 190 pounds of twisted steel and rompin’, stompin’ dynamite. Is that enough humor for you?”
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Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
"That's what you think."
I love that response to the notion it “is too bad the Vikings wouldn’t be getting Favre.” It is ambiguous to the point of funny. Who says Childress doesn’t have sense of humor. Is Childress implying we will be getting Favre, or is he indicating that the Vikings would be better off without Favre?
Obviously all the rumors, actions and innuendo point to the first option, but deep in the majority of our hearts we are hoping it is the second option.
Like many fans I am trying to rationalize and accept the fact that Favre will be wearing purple this season, and I am coming around, but more than anything I am hoping the Vikings can and will win it all without him.
It's good to be King!
Vikings and Farve
This is getting old. I wanted to know how Percey Harvin was fitting in, and every time his name came up, Farves came up and over shadowed it. Now I understand Farve has to play childish games by not committing,but give me a break. I am more interested in the players in the NFL, not the players that could be or should be. Farve said he is retired and leave it at that until it changes. I don’t care about someone retired or out of prison. the guys working their asses off on the field is what I am interested in. They are the ones on the team. They are the ones lam going to pay money to see. Their is a great team their and you are cutting them short with all the speculation. Lets talk about the team.
“It’s damn near impossible to single out an aspect of Purple Jesus’ game that can be criticized, but this is it: He’s gotta figure something out to start taking better care of the football”
Um, I think if Peterson says there are bigger problems with his game, then maybe there are. I trust Peterson’s judgment on it personally. Sure he led the league but of his 9 fumbles only 4 were lost (compared to 3 lost his rookie year). If Peterson holds the ball like he shakes people’s hands, I’m sure he’ll be fine.
The Color Purple
In Vegas, they are not just trying to predict how many wins a team will have, they’re trying to predict things like how many fools in Chicago will bet ‘over’ just because Rich Eisen had an obsession with Cutler on TV and then their town got him, even though his best target might be Hester, a guy who is a convert to the position of receiver. Vegas is trying to avoid any fatal betting attractions in which all of a major city is swayed one way or another, setting up the perfect storm.
So if they think everyone in general is skeptical of the Vikings, then the over/under will be lower to try to split the bets evenly. It’s not just a reflection of what they think of Percy Harvin’s talents, it’s what they think that people think based on the words of some blog in a Podunk of cyberspace.
At nine, I lean toward over, but that probably only proves I’m an optimist.
It is my take that AD is right. He’s not a fumbler, he’s a man who needs to reassess the odds of breaking each run to the house versus the odds that defenders successfully will be hacking at the football with reckless abandon when they know of his determined mindset.
As for appropriate deployment of the ancient line “that’s what you think”, Childress obviously comes prepared when he makes his clandestine excursions across the river into Cheeseland. Whether or not those people can fathom that he might be implying either that their hero Favre is now totally worthless or that the coach has got incriminating photos of Favre stashed inside his back pocket, this choice of a classic rejoinder shows good old scout training. Attack them where they’re the weakest. Take than mock Wisconsin sympathy and baffle them with some topspin BS.
For Vegas, those odds some great. I am with DC and would take the over bet. Also, it doesn’t bother me that it is so close before the season starts. Last year the Vegas bets for the division went GB, Chicago, Vikings, Lions and we all saw how that turned out. That’s one of the things that is great about the NFC Norse, its extremely competitive and every divisional game is fun to watch.
Was it really GB Chi and then MN? I could’ve sworn we were easily SB favorites after we added Allen.
In Vegas, yeah it was like that. At least at the sport book at the MGM. I was there a few weeks before the season started for a bachelor party. I obviously thought differently and so did the high profile writings of Dr. Z over at SI who had the Vikings as his dark horse for the Super Bowl. Most still had GB to win the division and people were still high on the Bears D to carry them. It wasn’t like they thought the Vikings were going to be horrible compared to the rest of the division, it was similar to this year only the Vikings weren’t on the top of their list.

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