Saturday's Notebook: Spinning the Williams Wall Setback
Thanks for an excellent first week here at DN, everyone -- unfortunate it had to end on the crappy news of the Williams Wall having most of their claims denied in federal court.
They Fought the Law
I know he's just doing his job by putting a positive spin on last night's lousy news, but hey, I still appreciate the attempt by Peter Ginsberg, Pat and Kevin Williams' attorney, to cheer us up and keep some hope alive:
The attorney for the Williamses, who are facing four-game suspensions after testing positive for a banned diuretic last season, said that his clients' case is "still alive."
"We're back to where we started," said their attorney, Peter Ginsberg. "We filed our original claims and injunction in state court and won there. The NFL decided it did not want to litigate in state court so we moved it to federal court. And now the judge put us back into state court."
Thanks Mr. Ginsberg, but it certainly doesn't look like things are heading in the right direction for our guys. I'm no lawyer, but I'd imagine their chances of winning in state court are quite slim, given the defeats they suffered on several fronts in federal court. If anyone out there has any legal expertise, some clarification on the road ahead for Pat and Kevin would be much-appreciated (my legal expertise comes from occasionally watching The People's Court).
My immediate reaction to this setback for the Williams Wall? It's a tough break for this team, but it's not a devastating one. Back when the schedule was released, I was psyched that the Vikings' early-season opponents are definitely on the weak side -- they start out with road games against Cleveland and Detroit before heading back home for matches against the 49ers and Packers. The loss of the Williams Wall for those games makes things considerably more difficult, but it by no means dismantles their opportunity to build momentum early on.
Taking the schedule into account reduces the sting of this news, because things could be a lot worse. The four teams in that group won zero, four, six and seven games last year -- if there's such a thing as a good time to be missing Pat and Kevin Williams, you've gotta go with the first four weeks of the season. Hard to believe a silver lining exists in the possibility of missing two defensive superstars, but that's it.
Some folks are gonna need to step up. Friday's news brought us a step closer to proclaiming the Fred Evanses of the roster as important elements of the Vikings' early-season success. You've also gotta wonder what impact missing the first several games of the season might have on the Williams Wall. Would starting out fresh in week five have an impact on how they perform throughout the rest of the season? That remains to be seen.
So that's where we're at: The first clear indication that the Williams Wall will be limited to street clothes during the first four weeks of the season. Here's hoping for better luck when the case hits state court, but I don't think you'll find a whole lot of optimism from Vikings fans about what lies ahead for the Williamses.
Had a couple other notes prepped before the Williams story broke -- you'll find those tidbits after the jump...
Worried About Winfield?
I'm hearing some increased chatter about Antoine Winfield, who is currently without a contract extension -- the two sides are apparently haggling over the amount and/or length of the contract, which doesn't surprise me. As good as Winfield's been, the fact that there's some disagreement over the future of a cornerback who will turn 32 next month is to be expected. Childress would have liked to "have that deal done yesterday," but progress has apparently halted between the team and Winfield. It's disappointing that a deal hasn't been completed...Winny, though, has stated that he wants to retire as a Viking so I anticipate some progress eventually being made on a new deal.
Fence Posts and the Hattiesburg Weather
For those bold enough to suggest that the phone conversations between Favre and Chilly involved actual football-related matters, I've got some news for you. Here, ladies and gentlemen, is what Childress says the conversations involved: "He told me the temperature, that it's very warm down there and that he is replacing fence posts." Well, that settles it -- fence posts are, after all, serious business.
Non-Favre Quarterback Speculation
Admit it, you knew it was coming -- someone suggesting that Vick might be on the Vikings' radar. In this case, it's Mike Florio, who included the Vikings in a group of 10 teams that could be interested in the newly-freed quarterback.
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Hypocrisy
I’ll say it again – Roger Goodell has no business punishing the Williamses for “the appearance of misconduct” or any other “character” issue so long as a team called the REDSKINS remains in the league.
Don't forget the
Cowboys!
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on May 23, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions
and..
those blood-thirsty, raping, pillaging Vikings!
Seriously though, Redskins isn’t being used in a derogatory manner, it is a traditional name. To change that, we would have to follow with changing the Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, and a multitude of minor league, college, high school and elementary school nicknames. I guess if this is the worst that drama-starved writers can come up with to stir up the folks who jump at any story that sounds like trouble, then the world is getting better.
not really
Braves and Chiefs are pretty neutral, but Redskins is completely offensive. It’s much worse than missing practice or taking a weight loss supplement.
I just hope
that the William’s don’t drag this thing out too long. If they are going to be out, that will suck. But I would rather have them out the first 4 weeks of the year, rather than in the middle of the season.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on May 23, 2009 2:40 AM CDT reply actions
PurplePeople Eaters08 Is Right
Plead the case in June, if they lose, they sit the first 4 games. Do not appeal, Goodell’s a dick, just get it over with. Lets not forget that EJ’s back. Our D will be alright.
Vick on Viking's Radar
That is another guy who I haven’t made up my mind over, as far as football is concerned. He grew into a decent QB who was pretty good at hitting his targets, and could come through in clutch situations. Personally, I am hoping that Sage or TJ works out.
As for the dog-fighting part, I think that Vick was caught up in the immature stage that most young men have to go through to make themselves feel tough (the peacock stage). I don’t think he even thought about the suffering that he caused the animals. I had a troop once who was into dog-fighting, until I showed him a DVD that took all the glamour out of dog-fighting and showed what happens to the losing dogs. He is now quite the anti-dogfighting advocate. Folks can change once they are shown the full picture. Beyond that, Vick paid his dues in prison, so his debt to society over animal-abuse has been paid. Let the man play.
Vick
No dice man. I think he should play but definitely not here. His completion percentage was never higher than 56% in a season. People who don’t like Jackson’s accuracy are crazy to want Vick. Not to mention he hasn’t thrown a football in a game situation for 2 years. Oh, and he’s almost 30 years old.
Let him sign with a team that wants to use the wildcat more, he is no good for us.
by Cobra312004 on May 23, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
You are probably right. What I do give him, however, is experience. Would he be able to keep the ball safe and let the offense do its job? Don’t know. But, again, I am pulling for either Sage or TJ to step out of the QB muck.
Vick? Keep the ball safe?
No offense Lof, but T-jax carries the ball safer that Vick. Vick was terrible with fumbles and often lost the ball when making his fancy runs. You see all the highlights of his running skills. It was not til recently did I finally see someone show how careless he was with the ball.
Poor Adrian was getting a rap for fumbles. If you got vick in here “the wildcat” would look a pinball game with balls bouncing all over.
Vick was far from a skilled ball carrier.
by CitrusFLViking on May 25, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Quick apology Lof
Just woke up (been ill). Noticed you said “would he keep the ball safe”. I had just got on with morning hazy head and thought I had read “he would be able to keep the ball safe”.
Good thing I’m not in charge of the nuclear button first thing in the morning. We would be involved in WW3. :)
Sorry for the misread.
by CitrusFLViking on May 25, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
heres some Postivity.
Collective bargaining agreements between management and employees supersede most "common-law claims," which is the name given to legal theories developed and refined by courts through the resolution of specific disputes over a period of many years. However, a CBA cannot overcome clear rights given to employees through statutes enacted by the state legislature and signed into law by the governor.
In Minnesota, Kevin and Pat Williams have two separate statutory claims that will be sent back to Minnesota state court (where the judges are elected by the local citizens, most of whom are Vikings fans).
One claim arises under the Minnesota Drug and Alcohol Testing in the Workplace Act. As explained by Judge Magnuson, this law confines employee drug testing in Minnesota to the specific procedures permitted by the law itself. In other words, any testing or discipline not permitted by the law is not permitted.
As further explained by Judge Magnuson, the law prohibits employers from imposing discipline based on a single positive test.
They Tested Positive only once.
and
On the surface, then, it appears that the players still have a pretty good argument for avoiding a four-game suspension for an initial positive test.
Also, the Minnesota Consumable Products Act prohibits employers from taking action against employees who have "engaged in the use or enjoyment of lawful consumable products, if the use or enjoyment takes place off the premises of the employer during nonworking hours."
In English, this means that Vikings players are entitled, per Minnesota statutory law, to consume away from the workplace and on their own time any supplements sold legally and lawfully. The fact that the U.S. government has done a traditionally dreadful job of regulating the supplement industry is not something for which Vikings players or other Minnesota employees are responsible. Under the Consumable Products Act, employees are entitled to consume on their own time and off the employer’s premises anything that can be legally purchased.
Right On
An agreement to violate Minnesota law is not a valid and enforceable contract in Minnesota. Think about it. The NFL and it’s player’s union cannot just sign a piece of paper saying they both agree to violate the speed limits of the state of Minnesota and get away with it. Since it was legal to buy Starcaps in Minnesota, the law says the NFL cannot punish Minnesota employees for consuming Starcaps, any more than they can fine players for legally drinking alcohol or consuming other legally sold products on their own time.
Don’t let the procedings so far fool you. The law is somewhat like football. Just because you didn’t take the lead in the first 58 minutes of the game does not mean you cannot march down the field and win before the clock expires.
CPA trumps CBA. Cases in state law are determined by state courts, not federal courts. The US Constitution gives states legal powers, and the federal court has just acknowledge this applies here. Headline will read: Williamses win! Their suspensions are not legal in Minnesota under these circumstances. The NFL can try to appeal to the state supreme court if they want, but that won’t change what Minnesota law says.
So far the NFL has only proven it is not illegal under federal law to be hypocritical and say they are for public safety but not warn the people that they knew a product which many people were consuming had been spiked.
Big whoopy deal. Might look good in a highlight reel, but it won’t carry the day.
I’ll quote my supervising attorney from back when I was a young associate:
“You always, always, always want to be in YOUR state’s court if you are on the defense. You dont want to be in federal court and you certainly dont want to end up in a far flung Jurisdiction. It may not seem like much but it is huge.”
Bottom line – your defense is always best on its home turf……er dome.
Furthermore
Do not think that the Williams Wall has wasted its time going to federal court on this matter.
The NFL has opted out of the salary cap agreement, but they want to renegotiate it. The players union has exposed to the public that the NFL steroids policy, while not illegal in some states, is flawed. The union has demonstrated by its taking this to court that it would like to see that part of the CBA revised. Getting the process improved is not a waste of time.
This could be
a great opportunity for Letroy Guion. Not that I don’t want the Williams in there. LG was projected to be a high pick had he stayed in school. He is still very young and now he will get some extra reps in the pre-season and some good experience if the suspensions are upheld. Depending if the kid gets some good weight on he might be ready to fill a hole Pat may leave in a couple year.
Trying to be a cup half full guy here.
+1
i agree. guion is good raw talent.
by iseepurplepeople on May 26, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions

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