You can't handle the truth.
by aceinthecorner on May 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT
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Yes it's a diet pill, yes they are getting jobbed BUT ...
They are still responsible for they are putting in their body. Had the judge ruled in their favor then what you would have is a built in way for players to cheat. You'd have sports medicine people "spiking" anything and everything with illegal supplements and the player could just say "oh well it wasn't on the label, not my fault." Now this is just my opinion but if I am an athlete I am eating food from the grocery store, working out, staying out of trouble, and cashing six figure checks for playing a game. And the ONLY supplement, or medicine I am putting in my body are going through or are coming from the TEAM doctor. Why these guys manage to screw this up is incredibly stupid. Are the Williams' actions criminal? No. Do they deserve suspensions? Yes. Monday night vs Green Bay without the Wall and no one to blame but themselves. Sucks but it's the truth.
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Apparantly, you can't handle reading the truth.
I am going to take a guess that you haven’t been following this case.
Yes, they are responsible for what they put in their body. But, the NFL also is responsible to report information they have about potentially banned supplements, which they knew Starcaps contained.
The NFL knew about it long before the Williamses tested positive, and they did not inform the players or the trainers that said supplement contained this banned substance.
If it was as simple as them just taking a supplement, and it turning out to be banned, then yes they would deserve suspensions. But the fact that the league had prior knowledge of Starcaps containing Butenamide and did not disclose that information is what a large part of this lawsuit is about.
Not to mention the StarCaps ingredient label itself did not have any mention of Butenamide in the listing.
I believe you
…but why so few NFL players testing positive, were that the case?
I’m not 100% on this, but perhaps “supplements” are not required to disclose 100% of their ingredients? I’m aware that the rules vs. foods/drugs/supplements are different in many respects, but I don’t know the specifics.
Supplements
Per the FDA, are not required to list their ingredients, since the FDA does not regulate/endorse supplements. That is why you see in small print on the commercials “Not FDA approved”….
Not dead, yet. Go to www.starcaps.com and see Nikki Haskell, founder, socialite, and former stock dealer.
The Truth?
Please do the following thought experiment and you’ll discover your own inconvenient truth:
Imagine that some terrorist nut job in a factory puts anthrax into something that you eat or drink. It’s not listed on the package label, is it? Would it then somehow be all your fault that you died because you didn’t have what you ingested tested? I don’t think so. Are you totally responsible for what goes into your body? Do you hire a lab to test everything that goes into it every day without exception for every known substance? Have you bought your own mass spectrometer so you can do testing yourself? How much is that testing running you? How is the team doctor going to know someone isn’t secretly spiking any supplement that he gives you? You think the guy spiking the diet pills illegally is also sending out advsiory e-mails informing the team doc what he’s up to? Obviously this case has demonstrated that when the NFL discovers that products are contaminated, they aren’t telling anyone about it, not the players, not the FDA, not even Charley Walters. Does that make you feel that their only thoughts are for public safety and fairness? I don’t think so. Cheaters? You want to catch sports cheaters? Fine. What about catching the people who are trying to poison you? Nah. we’re the NFL. Why should we care about that? We’ll just type up a paper saying it’s all your fault and keep the dirty secret to ourselves about what’s going on.
Mighty Norseman
If you also recall several years back the NFL supended a Lions QB for taking over the counter cold medicine. I guess if a player gets sick he should just ride it our of maybe die. The NFL needs to look for the real cheater drugs not everything on the market. Just my opinion I guess.
by Mighty Norseman on May 25, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
+1 because I agree
and another +1 for using your own name in your title. (Like in the movie Team America where Matt Damon keeps saying “Matt Damon…..Matt Damon”
and what the hell….another +1 because I like the name Mighty Norseman.
Total = +3 for those of you following along and keeping count.
Big differences
For one thing, an additive via terrorist isn’t likely to have a PED effect or be helpful in masking the use of other PEDs.
FOODs and actual DRUGs are in fact closely inspected and monitored. When something breaks down in those supply chains, recalls are issued, and much of the responsibility shifts to specific suppliers/handlers/inspectors. The sickos who put cyanide in Tylenol were apprehended by the authorities, and Tylenol itself became more tamper-proof (and the NFL had nothing to do with policing that, either, of course, since it’s out of the NFL’s jurisdiction).
FOODs and DRUGs are required to disclose ALL ingredients on labels while supplements are neither officially approved for human consumption nor are they required to disclose the ingredients.
NFL players make enough bank to consume actual food and drugs and hire personal chefs if they don’t want to prepare their own to reduce the risk of this sort of thing happening to them to about zero. Their bodies and health are directly tied to their ability to earn income, so they have all kinds of incentives to avoid supplements at—literally—all costs.
its sounds to me like this packer pansy is just scared to handle the wall. to beast worthy for him ya know. he probably wants the line to triple team 69 so Aaron rodgers doesnt have to sleep with mccarthy beacuse of nightmares.
purple is the color of royalty
I am pretty sure he is a Bear Begonia, not a Packer Pansy
Anyhow, the guy hasn’t followed the whole thing, so how would he know.
Ace
Cant handle the truth that his Bears are going to get owned by the Vikes this season. I hope the Bears take care of their Oline problems, you dont want to give up a sackapalooza to the best dline in football.
From the longstanding NFL policy
…on Anabolic Steroids and Related Substances provision about diuretics and water pills (source, bold added for emphasis):
Supplements are not regulated or monitored by the government and players have been warned about the risks of supplement use.
“You and you alone are responsible for what goes into your body,” the policy has always stated. “Claiming that you used only legally available nutritional supplements will not help you in an appeal…Even if they are bought over-the-counter from a known establishment, there is currently no way to be sure that they contain the ingredients listed on the packaging or have not been tainted with prohibited substances…If you take these products, you do so AT YOUR OWN RISK! For your own health and success in the league, we strongly encourage you to avoid the use of supplements altogether, or at the very least to be extremely careful about what you choose to take.”
Also:
The policy contains numerous specific warnings about dietary supplements. NFL players received separate advisories regarding supplements (attached). These included two memos from Dr. John Lombardo (the program’s independent administrator) entitled “Weight Reduction Products,” which were sent to players in July of 2007, and again in July of 2008.
In addition, two notifications specifically mentioning Star Caps were sent on December 19, 2006. One was sent to the presidents, general managers, and head athletic trainers of all NFL clubs. The second was sent to Stacy Robinson, the NFLPA executive who oversees the Steroid Policy on behalf of the union. The letter to Robinson states that “Balanced Health Products, which distributes Star Caps, has been added to the list of prohibited dietary supplement companies. Please distribute this information to the agents and players through your normal channels.” In response, Robinson had Balanced Health Products added to the list of banned companies that is maintained on the NFLPA’s website.
(For those players with weight clause bonus provisions in their contracts,) the player specifically agreed not to engage in any “last-minute weight reduction techniques,” which included “use of diuretics.”
I don’t feel sorry for them. They knew better.
Gentleman, calm down
This case is NOT about NFL policy. It is also not about NFL/labor relations. It is about Minnesota state law. You can argue your points about Starcaps, who knew what when, labeling etal. The question going before the court is about suspending Minnesota employees after only one failed drug test. Not allowed.
As an employer in Minnesota the NFL is bound by Minnesota state law. (that may be why the NFL tried to get the case into Federal Court) The NFL brass knows their case is much weaker in state court. Not to say the NFL will lose, but at least now the scales of justice have a chance of going the Williams Wall way.
Dangerous precedent
The NFL is a national franchise, and should be allowed to have uniform labor agreements in all 50 states (and even Canada). If not, then I guess NY could pass a law which outlawed salary caps and CA could legalize steroids and marijuana as per the Governator and MO could allow masking agents (since they promote mullets)…
State Law vs Federal Law
The only thing that might actually put this in federal jurisdiction is that since games are played between state-sponsored teams, the NFL constitutes inter-state commerce every time teams travel between states to play. However, the issue occurred in Minny, to a Minny employee, and state jurisdiction trumps federal jurisdiction where not specified in the Constitution or it’s Amendments (hence, the interstate commerce thing).
Is there a ‘National’ level business license? To my knowledge, that was handled at the state level, but I could certainly be wrong.
This should be very interesting, I’d love to see Minny claim state’s rights to try the case.
Actually, I read somewhere that the NFL did send a memo to all the agents saying that the use of the StarCaps products was prohibitted, which should have been passed on to the players. If that’s really the case, then I don’t see why the Williamses are fighting this.
I read that too, and yet the judge still determined that the NFL declined to disclose what was in Star Caps, so there’s some missing piece of info on that….
NFL could not be responsible for telling players what was in StarCaps
The NFL’s policy specifically recommends avoiding all supplements altogether and also states that taking a supplement which happens to contain a banned substance which was not on the label is not an excuse. Even if they tried, the NFL could not update players about the contents of supplements which are not required to be labeled and are not necessarily the same concentration/combination of ingredients from one batch to the next. The players also sign on to not take last-minute weight loss and/or diuretics, so the more one reads on this subject, the more one sees these players for the lying, irresponsible, whiny blamers they really are.
Agreed
The players union and the NFL negotiated a contract which the NFL pushed to the literal word and the players union got pinched by it. Just because the NFL can do it, doesn’t mean they should do it, and their action makes it clear that they’re more interested in scoring points at the expense of their own players than they are in the health and well-being of those players who make them the billions of dollars.
But here’s where we disagree…
While you may see the Wall as “lying, irresponsible, whiney blamers”, I do not, and they have my full support in resolving the issue. Nice assassination attempt, though.
nfl has some stupid rules
a crack head gets the same punishment as someone on diet.
yeah, yeah, yeah i hear all the arguments and you’re right but just read that sentence above one more time.
by iseepurplepeople on May 26, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
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