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Florio: Hope Still Alive for Williamses

Mike Florio wrote an excellent article on the latest development in the Williams Wall saga -- turns out things might be a bit more hopeful than I initially thought, as Florio seems to think Pat and Kevin still have a good argument against the suspension.  There are two issues that will be decided in state court regarding the NFL's suspension of the Williams Wall after the two tested positive for a banned diuretic...

One claim arises under the Minnesota Drug and Alcohol Testing in the Workplace Act.  As explained by Judge Magnuson, this law confines employee drug testing in Minnesota to the specific procedures permitted by the law itself.  In other words, any testing or discipline not permitted by the law is not permitted.

As further explained by Judge Magnuson, the law prohibits employers from imposing discipline based on a single positive test.

And, well, that's exactly what the NFL did -- they imposed a punishment on Pat and Kevin Williams for a single infraction.  Here's the second issue in play as the Williams Wall's case heads to state court:

Also, the Minnesota Consumable Products Act prohibits employers from taking action against employees who have “engaged in the use or enjoyment of lawful consumable products, if the use or enjoyment takes place off the premises of the employer during nonworking hours.”

In English, this means that Vikings players are entitled, per Minnesota statutory law, to consume away from the workplace and on their own time any supplements sold legally and lawfully.  The fact that the U.S. government has done a traditionally dreadful job of regulating the supplement industry is not something for which Vikings players or other Minnesota employees are responsible.  Under the Consumable Products Act, employees are entitled to consume on their own time and off the employer’s premises anything that can be legally purchased.

At the end of the day, then, Friday evening's news of Judge Magnuson denying most of their claims was a setback but it was hardly the knockout punch to Pat and Kevin's chances of participating in the first four games of the season and avoiding the suspension entirely.  Florio spent nearly two decades practicing law -- say what you want about Pro Football Talk, but on legal matters, he's an excellent source.

Just think of the can of worms this case might end up opening -- as Florio mentions at the end of the article, the league's steroids policy might need to be adjusted to fit the laws of any state that has an NFL team.  The consequences of this case go well beyond the Williamses.  As of now, though, they're obviously our first concern, and their argument could be far from over.  We head to state court next, and as Pat and Kevin know, there's no better advantage than homefield advantage.

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legal issues

This is going to be a major can of worms. Can a company break the laws of an individual state if they have an agreement between themselves and a union that is contrary to those laws? If so, what other state laws are national organizations immune to?

This could have widespread repercussions for labor laws around the country, not just football.

by Cobra312004 on May 23, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Nope: Void Where Prohibited by Law

An agreement to perform an illegal act is not a valid or enforceable contract. If you have Minnesota employees, you obey Minnesota employment law, unless you have diplomatic immunity, and Goodell will have a hard time proving that he’s the ambassador from Brazil. He’s not. The NFL is not immune from any laws. You can’t sign anything that says it’s okay for someone else to rape or murder or otherwise criminally violate you which will hold up in court. Even bringing a note from your mother won’t help them.

by Elgar on May 23, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, this is a football blog?

Felt more like a legal issues blog over the last 24 hours :)

by Anthony21 on May 23, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think every article on the main page was written by you. Crazy sweet.

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.

by FarvaForTheVikings on May 24, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good stuff, Anthony, although

one possibly important point of contention could be what the court/judge defines “working hours” to be. Since the effectiveness of NFL players is directly correlated with what shape their bodies are in, one could theorize that since NFL players have a responsibility to their team to be constantly exercising and watching what they consume, that they are on the clock 24/7. This would especially be true from training camp to the end of the season, although I couldn’t find info. on when the Williams’s were taking Starcaps. At first this thinking seems ridiculous, but otherwise, how do you draw the line between “work” and “non-work” for NFL players?

by Zoltan on May 25, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

is there a date set?

when is the next hearing? i hope we don’t end up with the same situation as last year with a possible suspension looming just in time for the playoffs.

by iseepurplepeople on May 26, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think a date has been set yet

But if I’m Wilf/Chilly and this legal battle is still raging in September, I’m going to pressure the lawyers to drop the appeals so I can sit the Williamses on the bench for the first 4 games. The first 4 teams on our schedule aren’t exactly powerful running teams, and we can’t afford the possibility of losing them at the end of the season or in the playoffs.

by Zoltan on May 26, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions  

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