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Saturday's Notebook: Childress Calls T-Jack 'One of Hardest Working Guys'

Chilly Comes to T-Jack's Defense

This was buried in the Strib's report about Antoine Winfield's absence from the Vikings' mandatory minicamp, but if you've been tracking the story of Pat Williams calling out Tarvaris Jackson for a perceived insufficient work ethic, it was pretty interesting to see Brad Childress come to T-Jack's defense in a news conference on Friday:

Tarvaris Jackson is one of hardest working guys you are going to find in this 85-man roster right now. Just in terms of the time he spends here, the time he spends in the books, with the wide receivers, in the weight room, strength and conditioning. There’s very few people that work as hard as he does in the offseason.

I have no way of verifying whether or not Jackson's a hard-worker, but despite the fact that Childress has never been Tarvaris' harshest critic, I see little reason to doubt what he told the media on Friday afternoon.  Things were pretty split here during the last few days when it came to whether or not people felt Pat's comments were justified -- I thought they were justifiable because they served as a swift kick in the pants to someone with a lot of work ahead of him, but let's be clear: This is the first peep we've heard out of Winter Park questioning T-Jack's work ethic.

Chilly noted that Fat Pat felt “poorly” about this controversy, so this storyline obviously won't be resurfacing.  I think Pat felt poorly about this largely because his comments were misinterpreted.  Yeah, you could look at his comments and pick out the "You have to put in more time than what he’s doing" sentence as a specific criticism, but you could say that about a number of players.  I guess I viewed his thoughts as advice rather than criticism, but hey, I could be wrong.

After the jump, an interesting development in the Pat and Kevin court battles...

Star-divide

Want to Play? Pay Up!

Guess we had no idea how close Pat and Kevin Williams, along with three New Orleans Saints players, came to reaching a settlement with the league that would have involved a hefty fine and the scrapping of their suspensions.  Here's the report from Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports:

The five players facing penalties in the StarCaps case nearly had a deal to avoid any suspensions, according to four sources with knowledge of the discussions.

During settlement talks as recent as May 22, sources said the league was willing to set aside the four-game suspensions for Charles Grant, Deuce McAllister, Will Smith, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams, but were asking the players to pay a "six-figure" fine instead. In addition, the union requested that appeals of suspensions no longer be heard by commissioner Roger Goodell or someone in the league office, according to three of the four aforementioned sources.

Conversely, the league didn’t want to give up that right because it considered the issue to be an important element of upcoming talks over a new collective bargaining agreement.

What a shame...even though Pat and Kevin are said to have a strong case against the league in state court, how nice would it have been to get this thing over with?  Granted, a six-figure fine is hardly the slap on the wrist that most league-issued fines are, but if that's what it takes to get on the field, you don't have a choice.  You pony up.  Too bad the settlement fell through, as it could have lightened the list of "unknowns" for the Vikings.

Remember When...

Remember when Peter King wrote on Memorial Day that Brett Favre would need to make a decision by the weekend?  Glad that one panned out.

And Finally...

Beware the dangers of Facebook...Falcons' offensive tackle Quinn Ojinnaka was arrested after he fought with his wife over a female friend of his on Facebook...Shutdown Corner ranked Collinsworth, Esiason and Jaworski as the three best NFL television commentators around...wait, no Bill Maas?...in my opinion, Collinsworth is the best in the business without question...Eric Mangini engages in a "sophisticated form of hazing" by putting Browns rookies on a 10-hour bus trip to work at his football camp...

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Five NFL Players Fined for Severe Reading Disability

The NFL agreed to take large amounts of cash from five Vikings and Saints for their inability to read the word “bumetanide”, which was clearly written in invisibile ink on bottles of StarCaps. The players claimed they were distracted by Nikki Haskell, a wealthy socialite, who was busy selling these diet pills to Donald Trump. The players agrued that they had called the NFL hotline to ask about what was printed on the labels of the bottles which contained the pills but got no answer. The NFL responded by saying the correct procedure was to call the psychic hotline with such questions.

The NFL did not respond to questions by reporters regarding the invisible ink which was used in parts of the NFL steroids policy for sections in which any responsibilities of NFL management under the policy were specified. The players are responsible for everything, an invisible spokesperson said. We cannot have football games without players and fans. Where would we get our money if not from them? These lawyers do not come cheap.

The players are like cattle which we distribute under the Interstate Commerce Act. We are permitted to violate the Bill of Rights, because we have an autographed picture of Dick Cheney inside our wallets. Dick Cheney was unavailable for comment. Unnamed sources indicated the former VP was looking for a new secret location, due to the announcement of the previously secret location by the current VP.

A barking dog interrupted the interview, and the NFL’s invisible spokesperson disappeared. No wait. That was just Chris Kluwe saying, “Favre Favre Favre Favre.”

If you think the above story is true, Charley Walters is looking for you.

by Elgar on May 30, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Damnit, I told that man to leave me alone!

by Frost on May 31, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just the beginning?

I find it impossible to believe that a MN state law will force every NFL franchise to have separate policies for how often they may test, what may be tested for, when the players can break the policy (since the question should be whether they violated it or not)…and so on. All 50 states are required to allow for stricter testing and conduct for certain industries (transportation to name 1), and there must be some law(s) about Olympic standards for our athletes.

Perhaps the Williamses could prevail on some technicality at first, but that would almost certainly be followed by an NFL suit to challenge any state law which would not allow an Olympic model and would protect those who violate a reasonable substance/screening program for their industry instead.

by KC Viking on May 30, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

The Bill of RIghts is not a Technicality

The states created the United States of America. It was not the other way around.

The States are guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution the right to pass state laws except where that right has been assigned elsewhere by the Constitution. Some people may be content for the very rights for which patriots have died to be withered away because they make it harder to fight some terrorist who might be hiding in a cave somewhere or more inconvenient for some large corporation which is making money hand over fist to grow wealthier. Unfortunately, I am prouldy not a member of that group.

We have a federal government. That means a federation of individual states. Some make think it is unfair for Rhode Island to have as many U. S. Senators as California, but that is what it says in the Constitution. If people disagree with what the Constitution states, it is their responsibility to get the Constitution to say something else in writing using the process established for amending the Constitution. It is not right to say we are nation protected by laws passed by duly elected legistlatures, but that those laws do not really apply if you intend to make a lot of cash by running a football league.

You may not agree that California can ban gay marriage or that Massachusetts can support it, but the Constitution says the people of those states have the right to determine how they live in those states.
That is what freedom means.

If the NFL can defend their case and prove they have the right to ignore the legistlatures of the fifty states, more power to them, but this is a nation of diversity, not a nation where we all must wear the same colored hats.

If you think it is reasonable for individual people to be held responsible for everything while large companies are not, this country gives you the chance to make that dream come true; however, you should expect a doggedly determined fight on your hands from those of us who disagree.

Playing football is not part of the transportation or communications industries. It is illegal to buy things in Minnesota like Vikings tickets and not charge and pay Minnesota sales taxes. It is illegal to employe people in Minnesota and violate their rights whihc are provided under Minnesota law.

by Elgar on May 30, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The states created the United States of America. It was not the other way around.

Think about that statement of yours for a minute. Doesn’t it depend on which state one is referring to? Minnesota, for example, did not exist at the time the US constitution was ratified. And before MN or CA existed, there was a civil war which basically reclaimed the southern states which had seceded from the union. Or you could have done some simple math: 50 states now – 13 original colonies = 37 states (a vast majority) created and modeled after the US Constitution after it was ratified. (And the Civil War was a great example of state slave/labor laws being overthrown by the US Government.)

The Constitution protects both sides, including suspected and convicted criminals. Yes, you may argue that it applies to absolutely everything, which it does. It’s universal, but kind of irrelevant here, as nobody’s most fundamental rights have been violated. Federal laws and legal precedents (Brown v. Topeka Board of Education, Roe v. Wade) can outweigh existing laws and even any future attempts at state constitutional amendments (against resegregation, for example).

Regarding every other response of yours: you don’t seem to understand that outside of your very simplistic viewpoint that this sort of thing is an ongoing battle over several grey areas of several different levels of law. The process of fed/state/local vs. individual vs. business is part of the checks and balances. When you expect a case to be viewed as simplistic and dismissed, but it isn’t dismissed (like the other time you tried to lecture me on law and hating America on another thread) or simple, you may think it’s because the judge is fighting you from the wrong side, but that won’t be true. Legal matters are actually quite complex with all sorts of legal precedents and other laws which we don’t even know about (that’s why lawyers work very hard and need to be way smarter than the average person).

I absolutely expect people and businesses to be held responsible for their actions. The NFL is not a transportation industry. It is a performance industry with special needs and similar in that regard. Under the federal laws, different industries must be allowed to have different guidelines (there must be something for the Olympics, and the NFL and other major league sports could argue to be covered under that set of substance screening regulations). Even the MN law states that whatever may be taken off duty and off premises must not interfere with the employee’s ability to do his/her job, and if that happens to be to show up for an authentic weigh-in for an accurate gauge of health and contractual obligation, then the use of that StarCaps pill or other last-minute diuretic will not be protected by the MN STATE law, either.

Pat Williams and others would have sued as soon as they were asked to be tested on a regular basis for PEDs and banned substances years ago were it really a matter of civil rights. They are suing now because their irresponsible at best and deliberate at worst violations of several important codes of conduct and contractual obligations. The rules were in effect not only for the good of the league, but also for the health of the players. The NFL doesn’t want another Korey Stringer incident, either.

Some careers are like driving: it is not one’s right to make millions playing in the NFL, but rather a privilege. The Williamses are free to work elsewhere if they insist on violating their current working agreement when they are off duty.

(If you reply to me again, please refrain from the unamerican or a hater of America or someone who disrespects our veterans or a terrorist sympathizer or whatever else that I’d find by wasting my time elsewhere if I was dumb enough to want that.)

by KC Viking on May 31, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Olympics Should Conform to NFL Standards

What does the Olympics have to do with the NFL? That’s an entirely different industry and venue, American Football isn’t even a recognized Olympic Event (which of course, it should be… then we could dispense with a lot of the pansey-ass pseudo-sports the Olympics promotes), and until it is, how can one take the Olympics seriously as a sports venue?

Maybe the Olympics should be required to adopt NFL standards. Then they too could kick out athletes for not being aware of unlisted contents in work-out supps and dieuretics.

by DCPurple on Jun 1, 2009 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Relevance to Olympics

1) Olympic hopefuls train and are screened by the same Olympic substance/doping standards in all 50 states, apparently without a hotbed in a few states to get around the Olympic standards due to an off-premise/off-duty clause.
2) Last I’d heard/read, the Olympic standards were even more limiting than the NFL’s.
3) The Olympians actually do the work required to stay in shape, etc.

by KC Viking on Jun 1, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

last i heard

the olympics is not an employer and hence have no labor law restrictions and/or responsibilites to the athletes who qualify to compete (notice i didn’t say they are hired to compete?)

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 1, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never said the Olympics was an employer. Olympic athletes are allowed to have endorsements and sponsors.

The Olympics is more like a governing body which doesn’t appear to interfere with state and/or federal laws; otherwise, all of our hopefuls could pull this same stunt (cheat, get caught, waaaaaaaa my rights were violated when I was expected not to cheat, sue the Olympics for violating their inalienable rights to do whatever they want).

The Olympics have a rule similar to what I hope applies to NFL franchises:

In order to receive the official U.S. Olympic Training Site Designation, venues must work directly with a National Governing Body (NGB) to provide services and facilities for elite level American athletes.

by KC Viking on Jun 1, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

because the olympics are not employers then yes they can get away with that. when you compete in the olympics your agreement to their rules is voluntary. when you play for the vikings, your agreement and the vikings agreement to labor laws is not mandatory it is required. so not only are pat and kevin responsible to playing by the rules, the vikings are also responsible for playing by the rules. one of those rules is that they can’t suspend their employees for taking a legal over the counter supplement.

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 3, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understand your point, but it is deeper than that. A pro poker tour may ban card-counters or calculators, even though they are legal. A trivia league/night may ban the use of PDAs or cell phones or laptops. An owner of an equestrian horse or racing dog may be required to restrict the dietary and medicinal intake of the animal(s) involved including otherwise legal items. A pro softball league may have a rule against using microwaved balls, even though there is nothing technically illegal about microwaving a softball. It is not against the law to manufacture corked bats, but MLB will suspend and fine a player if caught using one. Pro bowlers must wear shoes within the regulations, even if it does hinder his/her freedom of expression and conflict with his/her desire to wear platform boots or sandals (which aren’t illegal, of course). So it is with competitive leagues.

If you don’t think that a teacher or police officer or anyone in the business world can’t be fired or suspended for saying something which is legal, then you are simply wrong. Many things are inappropriate for a teacher or cop or customer service representative to say and do, although legal. Surfing the internet is also not a crime, but it can get just about anyone fired at work. And nobody can legally tackle someone carrying something of interest or value outside of the NFL without being guilty of assault.

What I find most ironic about this discussion is that those who consider themselves pro-states’ rights are reaching to a higher level of government than necessary when all parties have willingly and knowingly self-governed by entering into a legally binding at-will employment agreement. Pro-staters often consider themselves to be pro-business as well, but this is a perfect illustration of why it would most often be easier and more efficient for businesses to only need to research and follow ONE level of law(s) rather than hire an entire department of business bureaucracy to sift through 50+ levels and variations of law(s). It does surprise me that the garganturan NFL has not researched and prepared for this sort of thing before, or perhaps they have.

by KC Viking on Jun 7, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Constitution protects both sides, including suspected and convicted criminals. Yes, you may argue that it applies to absolutely everything, which it does. It’s universal, but kind of irrelevant here, as nobody’s most fundamental rights have been violated.

When you’re talking about US law, the Constitution is never irrelevant. In this case, it’s the state’s rights that are in danger of being infringed upon, and this is entirely relevant to the case. Please refer to Articles 9 and 10 for a more concise and authoritative explication of why this is a matter for the States to decide. Whether a state was created in 1776, 1876, or 1976, is what is completely irrelevant here; States rights are guaranteed under that same Constitution.

(that’s why lawyers work very hard and need to be way smarter than the average person).

KC, you’re a very scary fellow.

Under the federal laws, different industries must be allowed to have different guidelines (there must be something for the Olympics, and the NFL and other major league sports could argue to be covered under that set of substance screening regulations)

The NFL is not the Olympics. The Olympics is an international organization with rules for an international community. The National Football League, on the other hand, by definition, is a US institution and is not subject to whatever wacked out rulings that may crawl out of France or Ghana or Outer Mongolia. Why you keep bring up the Olympics is puzzling.

The rules were in effect not only for the good of the league, but also for the health of the players. The NFL doesn’t want another Korey Stringer incident, either.

No, they weren’t. The rules are in place because of negotiations between the NFL speaking on behalf of the franchises, and the NFL Players Association, and the NFL PA failed to foresee the NFL taking advantage of various sophic loophooles in order to persecute and frighten the PA into accepting concessions in the next round of negotiations. This Star Caps episode is a shamefully exploitative and cynical use of legalese by the NFL to ruthlessly game the system they agreed to in order to apply pressure and create false concessions at the next round of contract negotiations. They don’t give a rat’s hairy patootie about the health of the players except where it impacts their pocket-book.

Some careers are like driving: it is not one’s right to make millions playing in the NFL, but rather a privilege.

Driving is not a right…. Traveling is. An important distinction if you’re a lawyer trying to prosecute someone for exercising their inalienable right to travel. The amount a player makes isn’t at issue, KC… otherwise players that make millions of bucks a year would have more rights than a player that only makes a few hundred grand a year. We all have the right to make as much money as we can legally rake in, it’s neat little system called Capitalism. LOVE IT!

by DCPurple on Jun 1, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

You missed the most important part
Even the MN law states that whatever may be taken off duty and off premises must not interfere with the employee’s ability to do his/her job, and if that happens to be to show up for an authentic weigh-in for an accurate gauge of health and contractual obligation, then the use of that StarCaps pill or other last-minute diuretic will not be protected by the MN STATE law, either.

That argument could win alone, and I must be more bored than usual today to bother with the rest…

Just like you didn’t respond to the slavery or segregation examples…states have the right to make laws, but those laws are not the final word on anything if there are conflicts with federal laws and precedents.

Here’s another example: credit card companies. They were all headquartered in Delaware because that was the most lenient in terms of the interest they could charge. As a result, a MN cardholder still paid the rate of interest allowed in DE, even if that rate would have been unacceptable had it been a contract/cardholder agreement with the same company based in MN instead. The NFL could be similarly ok via the location of its headquarters.

The purpose of all of these other laws and precedents is to specify and frame the very broad language of the Bill of Rights. An NFL team doesn’t simply have the right to the ball (“But we won the coin toss! We have the right to the ball as specified in…absolutely!”), there are many other rules which govern how they must demonstrate possession, how they may proceed on a possession, and under what sorts of circumstances the ball would be scored or turned over to the opponent.

They don’t give a rat’s hairy patootie about the health of the players except where it impacts their pocket-book.

Even if the NFL cares as little as you say, the NFL and NFLPA have a vested interest in keeping players in good health for promotions, special appearances, charity work, to raise the competition for and quality of future coaching jobs, and to limit liability/health costs and claims by avoiding expensive deaths (which doctors won’t necessarily be able to treat given the unknown/unquantifiable nature of supplements, their possible side effects, and their possible interactions). The players have a vested interest in participating in a competitive league with longer careers and career achievements which appear more legitimate in a PED-free environment than in a PED-tainted one, although some of them do not look at it that way. Rafael Palmeiro isn’t seen in the media or in advertising anymore after his steroid use became publicly known, and his chances of being enshrined in Cooperstown went from probable to none. That’s several million dollars lost in his case.

…players that make millions of bucks a year would have more rights than a player that only makes a few hundred grand a year.

And this has nothing to do with what we were discussing, but the richer the player, the more “right” to get away with something. Reggie Rogers served only 1 year in prison for killing 3 teenagers while driving drunk, and chalked up his 5th such offense in the state of Washington in the past year. What everyday citizen could get away with that? (12 years on a guilty plea means that was a bargain compared to what she would have received after being found guilty.) Leonard Little is an example every time a player is suspended or jailed for offenses which killed fewer people than Little’s last DUI.

We all have the right to make as much money as we can legally rake in, it’s neat little system called Capitalism. LOVE IT!

Yes, but the Williamses are not entitled to work in the NFL. They have the right to seek employment wherever they feel that they would be a good fit and agree to a contract with their employer of choice or refuse that contract and move on. It’s not illegal to wear a bikini, either, but more than these two teachers have been fired for being hot or otherwise pursuing happiness off premises while off-duty.

So say all involved with the NFL, especially the owners and those in the commissioner’s office. It’s not that you’re wrong very often, but that you don’t seem to acknowledge that these legal matters are complex in that both sides have the same rights.

by KC Viking on Jun 1, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

law vs fairness
That argument could win alone, and I must be more bored than usual today to bother with the rest…

Heh, yeah well, and here we are. I understand your points regarding MN law (not quoted), I just don’t think it’s fair to hold players accountable for an unlisted ingredient which, when they inquired to be certain about it, they received no response from the governing body. Then the governing body nails them for using the product. It stinks of deliberate entrapment and the employer creating an example out of the employee to better it’s future bargaining position. It deeply offends my sense of fairness, and I gotta tell you, KC… while I fully understand the importance and validity of contracts, this situation sits very poorly with me.

We can argue the points of the legal code until the cows come home, and no matter what the outcome, I will not cease to be outraged over this crap. It isn’t a matter of the law, it’s an issue of fairness, and unfortunately the two are not always the same.

Just like you didn’t respond to the slavery or segregation examples…states have the right to make laws, but those laws are not the final word on anything if there are conflicts with federal laws and precedents.

I would like to direct your attention the US Constitution and it’s preamble, a document to which every one of those initial states signed on to, and so were obligated to meet the very clear requirements. They were let off the hook initially because there was an independence to be won first and it was hoped that in time those states would come around. Where things are murkier is the question of whether or not the Confederate states actually had the right to secede.

Here’s another example: credit card companies. They were all headquartered in Delaware because that was the most lenient in terms of the interest they could charge.

There’s a number of other reasons for why Delaware is one of the 2 or 3 states of choice when it comes to setting up any business, too. However, this is an argument that supports states rights to do things differently, outside of Federal control.

The players have a vested interest in participating in a competitive league with longer careers and career achievements which appear more legitimate in a PED-free environment than in a PED-tainted one, although some of them do not look at it that way.

If you’ve visited the average gym in the past 20 years, or even a health store like GNC, you will have noticed counters with various “performance enhancing drugs” available. Rather than having to eat a steak for protein, an athlete can chug a whey shake and pick up a healthy dose of vitamins to go with it. And they/we (I’m not claiming to be an athlete any more, but I do still take supps and my morning protein drink is my en-route breakfast) do it all the time, it’s very much a part of our culture and it makes sense in many ways.

What the Wall was doing was not a “PED” of any sort… it was a diuretic, used to dump water-weight. They were using it to meet a weigh-in standard tied to their contract, and I’ll agree that it’s pretty iffy territory that they were on in doing so. I can think of lots of pros and cons, and more, I can think of some ways that they could have gotten around that weight-check (or at least made it more flexible), too. But none of that is relevant to my issue with the entire thing, and that’s referenced up above; fairness.

And this has nothing to do with what we were discussing, but the richer the player, the more "right" to get away with something.

It’s only relevant in that it’s worth disagreeing with :)

The thing you’re missing, KC, is that it doesn’t matter what the law says in the matter, or what the outcome of the court case is, when it comes to the reason that I’m disagreeing with you. It’s an outraged sense of fairness that won’t be assuaged if the NFL wins.

by DCPurple on Jun 2, 2009 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fairness

OK, all other details aside, are you blind to the fact that the screenings and rules are there to promote fairness and health?

Re: credit card companies: it began as a states’ rights trend, but the US govt has recently passed some laws of its own.

As for the supplement products, there is a lot of skepticism in the medical community about protein shakes (which may include just about anything, and not be good for a body at all) or vitamins (which probably deserve their own category, but can’t guarantee the amount of, say, vitamin C will be absorbable or that 2-3x of a nutrient will become more harmful than beneficial) and the like. Whole grains/whole foods are widely considered far more beneficial than the same items in a liquified form. In fact, a liquid meal is very likely to be absorbed almost all at once, causing an insulin spike and a carb crash (which usually prompts the supplement junkie to take something else or drink a soda or eat a snack…over and over).

I agree with you that it’s not fair that StarCaps and other supplement manufacturers get to put whatever they want in their products, undergo little or no sound medical research, and make a ton of money conning gullible people believing that something worse than a placebo will replace a bunch of hard work and dedication for a few bucks (or, at best, motivate the user to work hard to maximize any benefit from the supplement and credit the supplement rather than his/her hard work for any results). However, there is no way to improve that legal definition of a supplement because, by its very nature, the supplement has usually been rejected by science and medicine already. The FDA DID NOT APPROVE of StarCaps or anything labeled as a supplement for human consumption. As if that were not enough to stop anyone from taking the supplement[s] in question, the NFL also educated the players about supplements and strongly encouraged them to avoid supplements altogether.

Finally, I don’t necessarily buy into the Williamses’ claims that they were ONLY using StarCaps. After they cheated and lied about cheating, they have lost credibility on this issue. I believe the test results and the signatures on the contracts and the terms of the contracts. All players involved in this incident are poor martyrs for fairness.

by KC Viking on Jun 7, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am not licensed to practice law in the state of minnesota

and as far as anyone else has said here, neither are they. it’s far more complicated than anyone thinks i’m sure. regardless of that, i do know that everyone has a right to work and there are laws in force to protect those rights along with everything that goes with it. kevin and pat are not olympic athletes and last time i checked, olympic athletes are not employees of the olymics so it would be fair to say that labor laws do not apply to the olympics. kevin and pat are however, emplyees of the minnesota vikings and as such are responsible for and protected by minnesota state labor laws. having said all of that, i don’t think i’d like it if my employer suddenly decided that because they signed a contract with someone that they were suddenly empowered to deny me my rights as a worker. well no one says i have to work for them right? sure it’s easy to just jump to a new job anytime i feel disgruntled by my employer. people do it all the time right? so let’s just let the big corporations and rich employers dictate what everyone can do in their working life. it’s only money after all. so me and pat and kevin will all just slink away with our tails between our legs because shucks, that’s just the way it is and we’re all just whiners and losers for expecting to be treated fairly by our employers.

i think not. i think i would do just what pat and kevin are doing and stand up for myself. the more we as employees let our employers walk all over us the easier it is for them to do it the next time. it’s called a precedent and i am not licensed to practice law in the state of minnesota but i do know what a precedent is and i’m not willing to set a bad one.

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 1, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I answered your questions here while replying to someone else.

And you’re absolutely right that this is complicated—especially to non-lawyers—and while I am 100% in favor of workers’ rights, the NFLPA is a very strong union which has fought those battles and fought them well. There is nothing oppressive about the substance testing which must be carried out equally in all states with NFL teams.

If anything, the NFL policies on this matter are generous toward the players. For instance, Shawne Merriman tested positive for steroids, but received only a short suspension and was still eligible for an award! And then he was allowed to put that ’roid-enhanced body back on the field and reap the benefits of his cheating for the rest of his career. Allowing that only creates an incentive to cheat as much as possible early on, win the biggest 2nd contract inhumanly possible with as much guaranteed money as possible so that your body falls apart on their dime before getting to a 3rd contract. But the goal should be to encourage fairness and longevity (protecting both the league and its players), and the only way to do that would be to have a 1-and-done deal (like the teachers had to a far more restrictive degree, referenced in the linked post, although I personally fail to see why the schools would even bother with that).

by KC Viking on Jun 1, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

State Law

The Wall is employed in Minnesota,so as long as their laws are tougher then Federal law they will Trump.What this will break down to is, if they own resdiences in Minny,if they do and State law guidlines are stricter then State Law will prevail.
I have a class A CDL issuied in Montana,when I cross State lines the Stricter of Fed law or State is which I must follow not Montana laws.
I beleive The Williams will prevail in this.

by speedlod on May 30, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

See above.

Even the MN law states that whatever may be taken off duty and off premises must not interfere with the employee’s ability to do his/her job, and if that happens to be to show up for an authentic weigh-in for an accurate gauge of health and contractual obligation, then the use of that StarCaps pill or other last-minute diuretic will not be protected by the MN STATE law, either.

by KC Viking on May 31, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding TJ

OK, I’ll take Childress’s comments at face value here. He praised TJ for working hard in 4-5 areas: amount of time spent at the facility (which applies to the other 4); strength and conditioning; weight room; books; time with WRs. Now at least half of those would consstitute Regarding the first, the question is whether he is making the most of his time there. Ideally, that would mean less time in the weight room and strength and conditioning (more helpful in MMA than in the NFL) and I don’t know…how about throwing drills? Get some of those dummies from the QB competitions to work on his accuracy while the WRs are busy with their conditioning and weight room workouts. I tend to think that NFL coaches exaggerate the complexity of their offenses, so I think that TJ probably knows as much as he’s going to learn without someone else walking him through any finer points.

My advice: Accuracy is your friend, Tarvaris. Make more friends. And if you could lower your fumble rate to something less than Daunte’s, that would be GREAT!

by KC Viking on May 30, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

TJ not working hard?

I do not believe that this is the first time it has been noted that TJ could be doing more. I seem to remember 2 years ago during the season a “big deal” was made about the fact that TJ was now spending more time (as if he had not been doing this before) with the other QBs watching film. Maybe someone can verify that. I think it was during the regular season two years ago.

by ZygiZag on May 30, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Phat Pat's Point

I don’t believe Pat Williams intent was to call out Tarvaris Jackson as a lazy slacker. I suspect that interpretation is a spin intended to get more people to pay attention to the news and thereby the ads from which the people who write the sports section derive their incomes.

My translation of what Pat said in his interview is that you need to keep working hard until you master your trade, something that applies to all, not just Jackson, and Jackson has not reached the summit yet. Suffering and filling up your calendar is not the objective of working hard. The criterion of successful work in this is mastering the skills which can enable your team to win a championship. If you are not improving as fast as your competitors, you need to persevere until you do that, however much effort you personally must invest to get yourself there

by Elgar on May 30, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

It’s so nice that the quarterback problems are causing a rift on the team. We have a faction of guys who like Rosenfels, and a faction who likes Jackson.

Childress is a poor head coach, no doubt about that, for creating this type of environment.

If Jackson has been working hard these past three years, then the only possible conclusion is that he is not smart enough to play in the NFL. Him not working hard is a better option for him, I would think. Would you rather be known as lazy, or stupid?

by Boot on May 30, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Or just not very talented?

Maybe he’s a good guy who works hard, but simply isn’t talented enough in terms of on-field awareness and quick decision making. He can always rest on his laurels of being a pretty good NCAA DIAA QB, if nothing else. [shrugs] Seriously, who could have seen that coming?

by KC Viking on Jun 7, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Childress Has Agenda

Brad Childress has hitched his career to Tarvaris Jackson’s wagon. So, when it comes to Childress’s opinion on Jackson, I give it about a negative 5 on the 1-10 Credibility Scale.

by aladdinwa on May 31, 2009 7:13 AM CDT reply actions  

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