Fine, I'll Acknowledge It, But I Don't Have to Like It

Although he’s a little more up-front about it.

Your sentiment echoes mine, and I’m glad you put the words down on screen for all of us to see. I’ve said over and over (going back to last year) that if Brett became a Viking, I wouldn’t know how to react. I’ve also said that I’d rather the Vikes go 0-16 then win with Brett. I still feel that way. I really do.

But hearing how your disdain is going to forcefully be pushed aside (Warning: Brett may induce vomiting) gives me a little hope. I mean…. I can’t NOT cheer for the Vikes. I love ‘em. They’re the most central thing in my life. Granted, I don’t have a wife or kids…. but even if I did… they’d still probably take a backseat to the Norsemen (God, that’s da to admit, haha). Brett throws a big wrench in my cheering plan…. but I just wouldn’t be able to let it stop me. I couldn’t. Thus my complete and utter confusion.

It’s like when it’s sunny out, but it’s raining at the same time. I’ll try to focus on that fantastic rainbow up in the sky, but most likely I’ll just comlpain about how it’s nice and sunny out, but my feet are getting all wet.

the first step is admitting <that your solution works best!>

I don’t know if i’ll jump for joy or punch myself in the face…maybe a great combination of the two. I mean, getting to the big game is the whole point of these crazy 17 weeks…right? Maybe? I think with him behind center (whoever that will end up being) we stand a better chance of going deep in the playoffs, possibly even becoming the NFC favorites. If he signs, I’m not about to take back the last 20 years of my life hating his guts, but if he can take us to the promised land, I might end on neutral grounds with him in the end.

However, I’m a fan of Favre and I like the Vikings as well, so I thought I would chime in.

The Dolphins had the same situation last year with Chad Pennington from the hated Jets come over to the Dolphins. I really don’t think it was a big deal for us. No one even talks about it anymore because he won. It was especially sweet when we kicked the Jets azz at the end of the year.

Favre wants to beat Green Bay so I think it would be a good idea to bring him aboard. Believe me, the guy still has a cannon for an arm. He made a toss to Cotchery in the first game that just killed us. With Favre I think you guys will sweep Green Bay and that will be sweet!

Favre will come aboard if he’s wanted so its just a matter of how hard the staff goes after him.

+1 for sharing my own opinions on the subject.

….so you guys need to suck it up and get over it. If the Vikes get a talented QB, it should be a good thing. As long as the Vikings win, I want whoever can do that starting. The more you post like that, the harder it’s going to be to admit you’ve come around to the idea.

There is little doubt in my mind, that if Favre goes to Minnesota, that big things, possibly for the next 2 or 3 years, will happen. The Vikes do not need a QB that will put the team on his back and carry them. They need a QB that can be a leader first and foremost (not T-Jack or Gus) and not make mistakes.

Think back to when the Jets were 8-3. Is he that much older? If the Vikes get that from him, it’s gonna be sweet. Now imagine Berrian and Rice manned up on the outsides with eight in the box. BB on the fly, Rice on a 12 yard comeback. How many games will that fly before AD starts seeing 6-7 man fronts? Farve = 2000 yards for AD.

Don’t panic. We have nothing to fear but fear itself. I’ve watched the Brett show since his pro debut. I lived in metro Atlanta at the time when Favre was still a floundering rookie for the Falcons. Falcon fans hated the deer-in-the-headlights Favre so much that they were elated to get that draft pick from Green Bay for him after one season, even a pick which really never paid off. In comparison to Tarvaris Jackson’s start, Brett made T-Jack look like a superstar. “Hey Brett, don’t you know those guys with the paintings of the Native American on their hats are the Washington Redskins? Why does that crazy kid keep throwing them the ball instead of our guys?” Of course, the rest is history.

A lot of Brett is guts and a good arm. The rest is largely dumb luck— unless of course you believe Favre actually once planned to carom the ball off the Viking defender and into the arms of his target for a game-winning touchdown on MNF. In that case, I won’t take more of your valuable time and will allow you to return reading your superhero book. Brett is a survivor who has made it through enough mistakes in his career to know what not to do and when it’s somehow a good idea to do what he’s not supposed to do.

To be a great quarterback, you have to have a good arm so you can put the ball where your guy can get it and the other guy can’t. You also have to have a mental process for quickly determining where your best target is before those opposing people with the size of major appliances can sculpture your impression into the turf. It doesn’t matter if you understand how you actually do it. You just have to have an accurate and rapid process for completing passes that works. As Terry Bradshaw has noted, it doesn’t matter how fast light thinks it is, darkness always gets there first.

The laws of physics are unswayed by public opinion. Football is still a game of inches. In order to succeed, Favre would need to come to camp and learn the habits of a new set of receivers. (Ted Thompson is not sending Donald Driver over to make this thing work.) Favre has to have enough arm left to deliver the football. Understanding how the west coast offense works and having an uncanny knack of finding the loophole in the defense are insufficient if you don’t have enough stamps in your pocket to get the ball mailed in by the deadline.

Almost all Americans (ncluding Thomas Edison) believed Nikola Tesla was wrong, but Tesla’s plan for electrification in 1896 actually lit up Buffalo, NY, even though no reporters showed up to see him fail. Electrons don’t care who’s your daddy, and footballs don’t care who you like or hate.

As the baseball legend Dizzy Dean once said, it ain’t bragging if you can back it up.

Football is a team sport. If Brett can demonstrate he can still heave the brick and will invest enough time in advance with the rest of the team to make it work, more power to him. If not, let’s please find another, workable way to Viking victories, or else take up the reading of graphic novels.

I hated this way back. I am a little more accepting now. I hated the Packers and those who who follow them. My eyes would have fire in them toward my beloved Uncles during games.
(Gospel Preachers voice follows)
I heard that Brett had dreams of leading the Vikes as far back as 1999. To my knowledge he never blasted the Vikes or pissed on the Minnesota flag. Of all the teams he could pick, he wants to come here. It would be as if a few people walked across the St Croix bridge from Hudson dragging their Packer jerseys in the dirt saying "Can we join up? We feel closer to you guys. We couldn’t help it. We were just put here (WS) but now we are free and can cross the bridge and join the Purple Pride. " Would we not welcome them into our wonderful world. Would not the church bells ring for the redemption of these formerly green souls with cheese on their breath? Give them a Schmit instead of an Ol’Swilwaukee. A good West Minn venison brat made from grain field grazing deer to take the cheese flavor from their breath. Replace those retarded looking cheese slices on their heads with the empowerment of the mighty Viking horn helmet (which by the way stays in Minn if the NFL decides to pull out). Now in his twilite poor Brett sees one chance to redeem himself and wear the right colors. If he comes repenting and agrees to go into the HOF as a Viking. He may come.

ESPN is running a poll right now.

What do you believe is Brett Favre’s motivation for considering another comeback?

The options are:
Ego
Revenge against the Packers
Competetive Fire

The leader with over 8,000 votes in?? “Competetive Fire”, of course. Puh-lease. Are you kidding me? So many football fans in this country think he can do no wrong. The media has duped so many…

According to the Trib guys, Bus Cook is denying that Favre is coming back.

But since Childress is headed to MS now, I severely doubt it.

Rachel Nichols is in town!

Would it be too creepy of me to casually cruise around Eden Prairie tonight? :)

His record is already off the books thanks to an enterprising young punter chokes down the vomit. Feagles stole the record a couple years ago.

“It’s like Kareem suiting up at center for the ’86 Celtics.”

The best analogy on that list. That is exactly what it is like.

Allowing this over-rated piece of Wisconsin camera glamour to wear our uniform is blasphomy and will bring down a curse from Oden. Our uniform use to count for something back in the day. Now it seems any old used up broad looking for a pimp can put it on…

Oh, wait. That actually happened.

just want to see if Sage can play before we do anything about Favre? I personally think he could outplay Jackson if given a fair shot. I’m most worried that Favre’s arm won’t hold up long enough again…what then if Jackson and Rosenfels haven’t really had a chance to go at it?

I’m younger than most here, so I haven’t had as long to build up that resentment toward Favre, but I do think he’s worth the collective puking we will undergo.

We cannot win a SuperBowl with our current roster. I think that is the primary goal of any franchise: to win a championship. It would be selfish to not want Favre simply because of a personal prejudice.

(Then there’s the matter of Favre simply wanting to play because of his resentment toward Thompson… but that’s another story.)

I read the younger guys on here lamenting that they’d have to cheer for Favre, and I get it. Rivalry is an important thing in sports, and having a public enemy #1 is good for the sporting soul. But I’m north of 40, and have seen too much professional football tragedy as a Vikings fan to think this is the worst possible thing that could befall the franchise.

Worst case, Favre throws a soul crushing interception in either the NFC Championship or the Super Bowl, and I shut off the TV, numb and lifeless. Hey, I’ve been down that road with this team more than I care to remember. It still wouldn’t hit the top 5 in all time Vikings agony.

My Dad is 80 now, he’s lost a step, and his memory isn’t what it was. It was my Dad that gave me this unconditional love of the Minnesota Vikings, and nothing would please me more than watching a Vikings Super Bowl victory with him. And if Brett Favre is the quarterback that would lead them to that, and allow me to share that with my Dad before he leaves me, I will be forever indebted to Zygi Wilf, Brad Childress, and Brett Favre for allowing that to happen.

So if he signs with the Vikes, I’m buying me and my Dad matching Favre jerseys, and we’ll be whooping it up like Viking fanatics once again this fall.

Skol Vikes!

Is he too old and beat up to be effective?

No, if his shoulder is healthy.

How much would it cost?

Who cares? If he can fit under the cap, I don’t. It’s not my money.

What happens to the 3 QBs the Vikings already have on the roster?

Mr Booty, grab your playbook. Oh, your weak ass arm can’t pick it up? Let the Turk carry it. Maj Dad wants to see you.

Are we really OK with every story about the 2009 Vikings revolving around one player?

Yes. I love stories about Adrian Peterson…

Is it really worth threatening my father’s health?

My dad has endured all four Super Bowl losses, and perhaps more painfully, the infamous Drew Pearson push-off in the 1975 Championship Game. Hasn’t he suffered enough?

All respect to your Dad. I’m sure your Dad and my Dad would kill more than a few Grain Belts lamenting all that’s happened since 1961. My Dad takes a different tack on this. He wants a Super Bowl title before he dies, and this would be the best opportunity since 1998. These don’t come around every day, so he’s all for seizing this and seeing where it goes. No matter what happens, it won’t be worse than ‘75. I was 8, and it’s burned into my soul.

Old age and an accident has caught up but it cheers me to hear of that special bond you have with your Dad and the Vikes. Couple years back we went to see the Vikes play at Joe Robbie. My son just got back from Iraq. You can only imagine the fears I had til he came home. Some A hole was jumping around and then had the nerve to tell my sone to sit down and shut up when he cheered a Viking sack. Should have seen this old fart lose it. My son was shocked as I told the creep he fought a war while you sat at home enjoying games I yelled if anyone has the right to stand and cheer he does. Using a few choice words my friend had to hold me back from bashing the fish stink off that Dolphin fan. My friend laughs and says I think you would have gone after him even if you were in that wheelchair. Often wonder if I embarassed my son. Never asked.
Bottom line. Get your Dad a Favre jersey. Enjoy the memories. Sounds like a great guy . OhYou had to bring up the Pearson story. Closest I ever came to cussing in front of my dear Dad

The hate-on that a lot of folks, especially the younger gen has for Favre, is a lot like the hate-on that the older ones had for Staubach, and that gut-wrench we felt every time we saw the Cowboys line up in the Shotgun formation (something those bastids started using expressly to put more distance between Staubach and the original Purple People Eaters, I might add). How would we have felt if Staubach had come over to the Purple Side?

If it was after Tark left, it might be manageable. The difference I’m seeing is that the Favre-haters have little or no respect for Favre, and we Staubach-haters, as much as we screamed for Marshall or Page or Eller or Larson or Seimon or Wally or Sutherland (or, NIRVANA, ALL OF THEM AT ONCE!) to break Staubach’s damned legs, we respected the man for who he was, what he had accomplished, as well has his skill. We loathed Landry, but we respected him too. They were our Great Nemesis, and we knew that when we beat those bastids, we were beating the best, so that made the Vikings even greater.

When Johnson took over the Cowboys and they pretty much hooted Landry out of town, even my dad frowned and said, “Shame on them!”, and believe me, he hated the Cowboys even more than I did. That was the end of the respect, and for me, most of the hatred for the team. Hard to hate a team I hold in contempt.

Oh, and on that Pearson business… yeah, it sucked, it was a heart-breaker… but it wasn’t Pearson’s fault that he got away with it. It was the refs, who were in the tank for the Cowboys, as usual.

I know the Pack did alright for a while there, with Favre at the helm, and a lot of folks considered them the new ‘Great Enemy’ of the Vikings. I never did. I’ve always felt the Pack did well not because they were so great, but because the Vikings were failing to live up to their proper place and grind the Cheeseheads under-heel as we used to do on a regular basis. Toe-may-toe / toe-mah-toe, I suppose.

If Favre comes to the Vikes, he’d better damned well kick some ass and take names, or it’s only his own legacy that will be made a mockery, another has-been pathetically trying to recall his glory-years. It’s one thing to quit and walk away…. it’s another to be cut from the team because you can’t out-play Tarvaris Jackson.

Cause I have very mixed feelings on this Favre thing. BUT…didn’t we allow a certain guy named jim McMahon to play for us? If there was a team I hated worse than the Packers, at the time it was those obnoxious Bears and their circus sideshow. As much as I hate rap they put a stamp on that hate with their show-off video. Sorry, but that guy irritated me far more than Favre. However , we took him in when we needed him and I sucked it up and when he was gone forgot about him-til now. So, I guess we’ll put up with Favre and forget about it when he is gone. Unless by some miracle he can lead us to a Super Bowl.

Enjoyed everyones stories last night. We’ll have to do a “where were you when this happened to the vikings” segment. Might get our minds off the sideshow we are going thru now.
Maybe I’ll try that on fanposts if you all might think it would be fun. end me some favorite or least favorite moments. I’m getting “Fav-Rahed” out.

It’s like seeing your ex-girlfriend with your arch-enemy.

On your use of the Nermal and Cougar references. This made my day.

I can’t believe Vikings fans—who should want a Super Bowl trophy—are so against Favre coming to the Vikings. Does he guarantee a SB victory? Of course not, but who on Earth thinks we have a better shot without him?

I share some of the original questions that Gonzo laid out (arm, money, etc.) but his talent and experience trump that of any of our other QBs, he knows the offense better than any of them ever will, and his motivation to win a championship is probably greater as well.

Even the most rabid Vikings fan must admit that our chances of winning a SB are remote with what we have now. Tarvaris Jackson or Sage Rosefels, Super Bowl Champions? Uh, I doubt that.

But Favre winning another one is surely more likely. Do we want to win a SB or not? And when will that happen if Childress keeps up with his method of underestimating the importance of QB on the team?

I don’t care what kind of media circus his signing would create. That would beat being an afterthought wouldn’t it? Was there any coverage leading up to the playoff game last year that seriously gave us a chance of winning? No, it was assumed Philly would advance, and they did just that.

If our players and coaches answer with a simple “we’re glad to have him”, the buzzards will disperse soon enough. Who gives a hang what “journalists” have to say anyway?

LoL, You read some of these posts and you wonder if 85 percent of you noobs actually
know football besides “ooo the games on.” First of all last year before the onset of the season, around the NFL people were saying this Viking team is is SB bound and how
we were at least going deep into the playoffs. Please…and now you read again the garb.
Some of you truely do not know football if you for a second think this team going to the SB
is a QB away. This is the same Viking team we have been given over and over.
Just good enough to get the noobs saying, “Oh this is the team.” Yes they will win some games. But truely use your mind and think is this team and the way Chillie coach’s really
going to be the team you see holding up that trophy at the end? See it? NO.
Truely Farve or no Farve the team does not have a QB. Nine years Sage has been going
at it and has never even come close to be the talent it would take to ask , Are you going to Disney Land? Honestly if you have any clue you see that. Now take TJack. His case
is so sad Chillie should be hung out to dry on trying to convince this kid and the fans
let alone his employer that this kid has any NFL talent. Keep in mind this is a guy that was in the same draft year that J Cutler was. And Chillie passed over Cutler for TJ.
They are going to continue to serve you this idea that all the pieces are in place.
The idea that alls one of these QB’s has to do is control the game and we win?
I see some of these people that keep trying to cling on the idea of a team winning and getting to the show with IF’s if if if. about key spots that take a team over the top when they need to. It is not here people wake up! I realize some of you noobs that do not truely
understand this game will think Im being negi about the Vikes. Fact is Ive been a fan scince I was nine or ten years old I’m fourty eight. I can say I’ve sdaly prolly missed 3 games over the years. It doesnt take much to see this is the same Vikings that has some real talent in a handful of spots but not enough of it with the coaching style to get to the show. If you really want to see them chaneg start posting honestly maybe owners will get a clue. Idea? suck it up and start investing is Booty now it would be a call in the right direction but still not bowl bound but a start.