T-Jack and Rosenfels on Favre
Both T-Jack and Rosenfels were available to the media on Thursday, and quite understandably, both expressed frustration with the continuation of the Brett Favre rumors. Let's start with T-Jack -- here's what he told the media:
"It comes with the territory. I won’t lie and say it don’t bother me. But I kind of got used to it. If you had to hear it year in and year out, all the time, eventually you’re going to be tired of it. But I guess it just comes with being the quarterback for the Vikings right now. It is what it is."
"You always want to know. Like any situation you’re in, you want to know. But I guess it’s not their job to tell me."
It's gotta be suffocating, doesn't it? True, it's certainly debatable if T-Jack's done enough on the field to legitimately take the sudden Favre speculation as a personal "insult," but look, someone is finally going outside the party-line boundaries and saying what he thinks about this stuff. Needless to say, that's been lacking.
I find the final sentence there to be pretty interesting -- "it’s not their job to tell me." Should it be their job? I get the impression that T-Jack and Rosenfels are completely out of the loop and aren't being told anything. It's understandable from the team's perspective to keep these internal matters isolated to the front office and out of the locker room, and no one's arguing that T-Jack and Rosenfels aren't treating this with anything but the utmost professionalism as it is, but the communication gap between them and the team is a somewhat troubling.
As honest as T-Jack was with his "it just comes with being the quarterback for the Vikings right now" line, Sage was more politically correct with his public comments after Thursday's practice:
"Uncertainty is never a good thing. But again I can’t control what the head coach does or the GM does. They’re going to make decisions. One day when I’m a head coach or I’m a GM I’ll be making decisions. But right now I’m just a quarterback. My job is to get the ball in the hands of the receivers and the running backs and tight ends."
In an interview with KARE 11 News last night, he apparently said something to the effect of, 'I uprooted my family to come to Minnesota' and 'I would be disappointed if Brett Favre became a Viking' (if anyone saw the interview and has any corrections/additions, feel free to chime in). This brings up an interesting question -- do you feel bad for Rosenfels that he's on the verge of having a chance to start yanked from him within a matter of months?
It's difficult for me to feel bad for him, given the fact that the decision to give Favre a look is a business one and hey, Sage is obviously being paid quite well. But he did indeed come to Minnesota with the notion that he'd have an above-average chance to start, something which wasn't going to happen in Houston.
Childress clearly doesn't feel he needs to keep Rosenfels or T-Jack up to speed on the Favre saga:
Those guys play football, and I coach football and look at personnel, as I mentioned before. So they would be out of their lane and I would be out of my lane in sharing any of our business, whether it be surgery, injury, talking about other players. We just don’t do that. It is more of just a coaching relationship. So, as I mentioned yesterday, I could go non-stop standing up here and never get anything done, but I have to do this.
Well, this doesn't appear to be an issue Chilly's spent too much time agonizing over, but I don't think it's quite as clear-cut as he's suggesting. I recently brought up Marcus Robinson's gripe when he left the team about Chilly's communication issues with the locker room -- I brought it up as an example of a way Chilly has improved in the last season or two and something that wouldn't be an issue at this point, but that could have been premature.
No question about it: This is the old Brad Childress we're seeing. The Brad Childress that remains distant from the locker room and reluctant to communicate. It is, as he says, just a coaching relationship, but the gap between him and two quarterbacks that may be starting for him this season is unsettling, to a certain degree.
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It's an unfortunate situation...
For them to be put in. Saying that, I don’t feel it’s the coaches job to discuss personnel changes with the team, even if they’re in the department.
I mean, say you’re at your job, and there are five of you working on a project. The boss fires one guy. First of all, as a worker, did you have any say in his firing? Probably not. They say their going to hire a new person. Do you get to sit in on the interviews and help decide who joins? Nope. You’re just a worker. You don’t have those types of responsibilities, and the boss isn’t coming to you after every interview saying, “Okay, guys, we’re looking at Bill Stevenson. He’s 35, a scorpio, enjoys sushi, etc.”
I don’t see why the NFL should be any different. They are players; they aren’t responsible for who starts where or who joins the team; as Sage said, all they can control is their own ability to show up and play their hardest to win their spot.
Now, I can certainly understand that Childress COULD come in and say something, especially considering the special circumstances surrounding Favre, and maybe Sage should get somewhat of an explanation considering the Vikings traded for him. Even so, the guy got an extension (millions), and even if Favre comes, he has to know it’s only for a one year deal. Does it suck for him? You bet. Is it a career altering decision? Of course not. He’s still got a much better shot at playing for Minnesota than he does in Houston. Shaub, barring injury, is their starter.
As we all know, it’s not that way in Viking-land.
So no, I don’t think Childress owes them an explanation. That said, I’m sure they wouldn’t mind being brought into the loop. However, the more people Childress tells about their plans, the more likely that some unknown source leaks some information that may or may not be true, and that just makes our lives that much harder as fans.
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by Manimal on Jun 12, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To relate it to real-world work scenarios...
Most successful business models do believe strongly in keeping everyone involved in the loop, even if it isn’t always things that affect employees directly.
With the Vikes situation, at this point everyone knows (to a certain extent) what is going on. In professional sports, there is usually always going to be decisions made behind the scenes as far as who a team is trying to acquire, and how to field the best team possible.
It is unfortunate that a 39 year old QB who had surgery on his throwing arm is even in the picture for any team. But, a lot of teams have been desperate for years to find someone who is a solid starter at the most important position on the field… it just sucks that Favre is even a possibility at this point.
As one who roots against the Vikes, I am glad y’all are in this situation… but I can certainly empathize with you on the situation you are in.
It’s like ericj said a while back…
It’s like the Hatfields inviting the head of the McCoy family over for dinner and having him say grace.
It’s like the Capulets telling Romeo he should run the family business.
It’s like Israel electing a Palestinian President.
It’s like Kareem suiting up at center for the ’86 Celtics.
It’s like George W. Bush taking over the everyday operations at MENSA.
It’s like Garfield freely sharing a pan of lasagna with Nermal.
If you do end up with Brett as QB, it couldn’t possible feel legit.
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by Dane Noble on Jun 12, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, blockquote fail.
It’s like the Hatfields inviting the head of the McCoy family over for dinner and having him say grace.
It’s like the Capulets telling Romeo he should run the family business.
It’s like Israel electing a Palestinian President.
It’s like Kareem suiting up at center for the ’86 Celtics.
It’s like George W. Bush taking over the everyday operations at MENSA.
It’s like Garfield freely sharing a pan of lasagna with Nermal.
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by Dane Noble on Jun 12, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with keeping people in the loop in a business...
But in my (very limited) experience, the hiring process is done by an entirely different department (usually Human Resources) that doesn’t consult with the people that the new hire will be working with. Pretty similar situation, except instead of making a few dollars an hour, the players make tens of thousands of dollars a game.
Make sense?
I do understand what you were saying about the business including people; just not in the hiriing process. Again, in my opinion.
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by Manimal on Jun 12, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your company is run differently then my company is
The two jobs I’ve had that I actually consider a job (I’ve got a salary, not an hourly wage), the interview process is done by the team manager, then a peer review. The manager then works with HR for the salary points. I’ve seen people blow their interviews not because they weren’t qualified, but because they rubbed the team the wrong way.
While I don’t believe Childress should be bringing them in for the interview, he should have at least manned up and told them to their face like he said he did instead of allowing them to find out by reading the paper or from some other news source. When you treat your employees with garbage, it makes it pretty damn hard for them to not want to start looking elsewhere for employment.
Also, hey Geaux, guess you’re popping your head in because the Favre news is starting up again?
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
by Robert Rence on Jun 12, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, weird.
Agreed that he should be a little clearer on whether or not he actually talked to Sage and Tarvaris. Also, I can honeslty say that your job interview process is much different than the one I went through. All the people at my job go through an initial interview with HR, followed by an interview with the VP of the department with the Supervisor the new hire would be under sitting in, and finally any other possible team leaders or any other person that may be affiliated with that position.
Definitely two sides to the same coin, and I can see how that would work well, too. Apparently, Childress is following the scenario put forth by me a bit more. Maybe he shouldn’t. Alas, he’s not gonna ask me, so I can’t tell him anyway.
Tarvaris could look elsewhere soon; his rookie contract is up in the next year or so, isn’t it? Sage, on the other hand, just signed an extension, so Minnesota has him locked up for the forseeable future. He’ll get his chance, whether it’s this year or next. Because of that, I don’t feel too bad for him. After all, he’s getting paid a pretty good wage.
Oh well.
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by Manimal on Jun 12, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t feel too bad for him. After all, he’s getting paid a pretty good wage.
That’s why I have a hard time feeling sorry for ANY NFL player, in ANY situation. You want to be an active participant at your job? Want to come take my bank job? I’ll gladly trade you my crappy salary for a couple million to practice a sport I love and watch each game from the closest seats in the house.
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by TheViking83 on Jun 12, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha.
No kidding. Rex “The Sex Cannon” Grossman is getting paid the veteran minimum, that’s $640,000 or so (might be a bit off) to probably be the number three quarterback. Be a practice dummy and hold a clipboard for over half a million? Sign me up.
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by Manimal on Jun 12, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the mentality of these guys. They’re extremely competetive and most have been winners/stars their whole lives. But, come on… the league minimum right now, if used to live a normal, non-luxurious life, could keep you pretty well off for 15-20 years if invested low-risk (to hell with high-risk investments in this market…) And that is for ONE year of MINIMAL work.
Quit the crying, and just be glad a team is willing to shell out a ridiculous amount of money (to us “normal” people) to have you as a safety net.
I guess this is all pretty easy for a guy like me to say though…
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by TheViking83 on Jun 12, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, just saw something worth mentioning.
I know it ain’t y’alls fault, but the Farve circus is making my brain hurt. At this point, I don’t even read the articles, just the headlines.
What I’m really curious about is how Sage/Tarvaris are doing in OTAs, if any injury bugs have bitten anyone, if AP is running differently with his attempted weight gain, and if Jared Allen got locked in the walk-in cooler (if so, leave him there).
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by Dane Noble on Jun 12, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In comparison...
There is a certain validity in numbers so answer me this: a couple years back when Kyle Orton took the Bears to the playoffs and they were what, 13 – 3 and the Bears thanked him by benching him and throwing in “Sexy Rexy”, what did you think about that decision? Because side by side, Jackson has a better winning percentage and quarterback rating over the his last sixteen games than Favre. I hate it when winning isn’t enough. I mention this because I don’t see the logic in benching the guy that has been winning for a guy you think is a winner? Just a perspective because even as a Vikes fan, I was pulling for Orton that year and he got screwed. This is very “Flutie vs. Rob Johnson.” Maybe Orton will find a home in Denver…..but good job on that Cutler deal. Where were the damn Vikes on that one????
by TheChadK on Jun 12, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol.
a couple years back when Kyle Orton took the Bears to the playoffs and they were what, 13 – 3 and the Bears thanked him by benching him and throwing in "Sexy Rexy", what did you think about that decision?
That never happened.
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by Dane Noble on Jun 15, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
If someone was being hired to take your job and you were getting a demotion, wouldn’t you want to know about it before the guy shows up with a box of his stuff at your desk??
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by TheViking83 on Jun 12, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually, the writing is on the wall.
And in this case, Sage and TJ are neither gonna be blind-sided.
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by Dane Noble on Jun 12, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree 100% with manimal’s original post.
first off, all players as rookies attend seminars and meetings about how to deal with the media. whether or not a player can actually handle it with class is unique to each player but they do receive plenty of education on the topic.
secondly, i’m sure that at some point childress or bevell or someone has sat down with both sage and tj and said “look we’re going to try to get favre in here to play for us this year. we think he’ll help the team. we’re not going public with this info and it’s not a sure thing or a done deal because of favre’s injury but we just thought you should know. there’s going to be a lot of crap in the media and we’ll all have to weather that storm. keep working hard and getting better because regardless of who our qb is we need you to be at your best on any given sunday.”
third, these guys should be used to this kind of treatment. they haven’t gone out on the field and earned the right to called the franchise qb. when they do, they won’t have to deal with this anymore. until then, no matter what team they play for, it will be like this for them. it sucks, i’m sure they don’t like it, but they can only put a stop to that type of treatment on the football field. same as every other player in the league.
by iseepurplepeople on Jun 12, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What should Vikings tell them exactly?
You make the comment “the communication gap between them and the team is a somewhat troubling,” but you completely duck the hard question, if the Vikings should be telling them something, then … what exactly? It’s pretty obvious that Favre will be the starter if his surgery was effective — and won’t be a Viking at all if not. Nd no one knows now, nor will know for weeks, if it was effective. So is that what you want Childress to tell them “hey, we’re gonna dump you if we get the chance.” But what if the surgery doesn’t work & Favre is not there. Is that really a good thing that the Vikings tell them explicitly they would’ve dumped them, the only thing that kept them from doing it is they didn’t have a real chance?
I’m sorry, Childress is handling this very well from my perspective. Ideally you would not want this situation, but Favre had the injury & surgery, that creates uncertainty about his status, that is the reality. Pretending that situation doesn’t exist is silly. If you really think he should be doing it differently, then BE EXPLICIT what he should be doing instead, and why it would be better.
by puddnhead on Jun 12, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Look, I never suggested there was a very good alternative to what they’re doing — I simply said it’s a tough situation, and it is. Is it acceptable for these two guys to be getting their information from the newspaper and internet rather than the team? I’m just suggesting that Chilly could at least be up-front and honest with them about what’s going on. If you’d prefer your players to be in the dark about what’s going on and having no more information than the average fan, that’s fine, but it’s not the way I’d choose to run my team.
Just treat T-Jack and Rosenfels with a little decency, reiterate your confidence in them, but tell them that extremely unusual circumstances have prompted the Favre saga — remember, it’s still entirely possible that one of them will be starting, so putting them entirely out in the cold and forcing them to follow the saga along with the rest of us is hardly a good way to maintain good will between them and the team. You didn’t sense any tension in the comments they made? If you’re the head coach, it’s your responsibility to keep that tension to a minimum rather than not speaking a word to your quarterbacks and, as you said, “pretending that situation doesn’t exist.”
by Anthony21 on Jun 12, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you Manimal.......
chilly does’nt owe them an explanation. I mean what else can he say at this point? I would think by now that everybody on the roster should realize that we will probably sign B.F. to be our starting qb this year if his shoulder/arm is healed, whether they like it or not. This is a buisness decision, nothing less, nothing more. Now our qb’s have every right to express their feelings about the situation but either way Sage makes 3 million this year and i don’t believe that t-jack has done much to complain.
by PurpleCrush on Jun 12, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't feel bad for Rosenfels
I mean, honestly, how long does he think Favre’s going to be on the team? A year at most. And if he gets injured again, and Rosenfels is the second-string, then he’s starting games again. It’s not the end of his career just because Favre is coming in. If I’m not mistaken he’s signed a 3 year deal. Maybe it was 2. Either way, unless he’s afraid that Jackson is going to completely surpass him by watching from the bench this season, he still has a shot to start.
And no, Childress really doesn’t need to tell them anything. I don’t see it as troubling either, because what I think is happening is that Childress really doesn’t have any major update. The QBs have already seen/read/heard that Favre had surgery. Now they just have to wait. Use the time to get better, not worry about whether or not you’re starting. Neither one is seen as a solid starter in the league at this point. Just use this as motivation to work harder, don’t bitch about it.
by Frost on Jun 12, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point......
use this as motivation to work harder. So if B.F. is not signed, I believe whoever starts should have a big chip on their shoulders to prove to everyone that they are worthy to be a starting q.b. in this league and come out with their guns a blazin and lead the purple to the superbowl!
by PurpleCrush on Jun 12, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The QBs have already seen/read/heard that Favre had surgery.
I guess that actually pertains to the argument I was trying to make — wouldn’t it be better if they were hearing something from the team rather than following along in the media like the rest of us? True, neither has proven himself as a starter, but I’d be a lot more comfortable if they were at least somewhat “in the loop” rather than being limited to TV and media reports for updates on what will determine whether or not one of them is the 2009 starter.
by Anthony21 on Jun 12, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we can only speculate as to what’s being or not being said to them. Childress has only said he doesn’t go into the details. So maybe he knows that Favre’s arm is progressing well, or maybe it isn’t, and he simply doesn’t want to tell them because he’d rather see how they perform when they think they aren’t getting the starting job. It’d be a good test for true work-ethic. Are they going to be as hard-working when they aren’t going to be getting instant gratification in the form of a starting position? I might be giving him too much credit there.
But I’m sure he’s at least told them, before the word came out they had the surgery, that the team was at least serious in pursuing Favre if he decided to come back. Hell, hopefully they did it before the VP came out and said they were interested.
by Frost on Jun 13, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Both T-Jack and Sage know the deal at this point in their careers, and both of them know they haven’t shown the Vikings anything that puts on a par with what Favre might bring to the table if he shows up in time, healthy and knowing the playbook. It may not be nice, or kind, but until either of them steps up, they’re going to be in this situation year after year, IF they’re lucky. This the price you pay for being second or third best.
I do think that if Chilly was more of a leader, he could have make this clear to his two lead-QBs and settled both of them down while helping them to maintain some perspective, maybe even inspire them to excel.
by DCPurple on Jun 12, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Use it as motivation
I don’t think the uncertainty is going to hurt the team one bit. I think if T-Jack and Sage are smart they would use this as a motivational tool to work harder, put in more hours, and the end result will make them better players. Doesn’t meen they’ll start, but as long as they improve themselves personally that’s all that matters. In the long run the hard work will payoff for one of them as a starter on the Vikings. There are no gimme’s in the NFL, you have to put in the time to make yourself better.
by dsludo on Jun 12, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brad the Bird brain Childress
Why do the Viking continues to let Childress be a mindless idot. Right now he is slowly destroying and harmony in the locker room. For an owner who says he wants a winning super bowl team I think he’s going about it the wrong way. Childress is once again showing his true colors its my way or the highway. He needs to be replaced. For any coach to win the needs the trust of his players. I think that is fade in Viking Country.
by kik on Jun 12, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Elgar on Jun 12, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Deja vu all over again
It seems as if the Vikings organization has forgotten the past and is therefore doomed to repeat it. For how many years from the early nineties through Culpepper’s breakout year or two and beyond did Minnesota chase down aging quarterbacks in the waning years of their careers in a desparate, and never successful attempt to win a Superbowl with a team that “just needed that franchise quarterback”? I’m asking because I don’t know the exact number off had but some of the names on the list include Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Jeff George (who was never really given the chance), Brad Johnson and Gus Ferrotte to name five in the last decade or so. Culpeper was the only legitimate quarterback the Vikings have drafted in the last decade or so who could have been the franchise QB the Vikes have been looking for but Daunte’s injuries prevented that from happening. So instead of cutting their loses and selling out to acquire the next, young, future quarterback of the franchise, the Vikings went back to shoveling cash to different old guys year after year. I was hoping that after wasting year after year of watching a “veteran quarterback” whose job it was to “manage the game” turn out losing season after losing season, the Vikings may have finally realized that unless you somehow land a Jay Cutler type in free agency, scouring NFL retirement homes and other teams waste bins of former pro-bowl talented quarterbacks to resurrect your franchise simply IS NOT the way to have continued success in the NFL.
That brings us to the present and the Vikings using a second round pick on T. Jackson because he reminded Brad Childress of a young McNabb. Nice compliment to a young player, good overall skill set in Jackson and he even had some bench time to learn the offense and become familiar with the system. The guy waits, gets a chance, shows a definite upside but doesn’t take the Vikings to the Superbowl in his first two seasons as a PART TIME starter so now he’s a bust and the Vikings need to bail on Jackson to chase down another formerly great quarterback who is well past his prime? How about Joe Montana going to the Chiefs? They won the Superbowl in one year with that mega move right? Not even close. If Brad Childress still feels he has a McNabb caliber quarterback in the making with Jackson, the only way he is going to develop into that quarterback is on the field, not year after year on the bench watching a guy ten to fifteen years his senior going for one last shot at the ultimate prize in football.
The point here is simple; the Vikings need to become the team that drafts a player to be the guy and then have the patience to let him become that guy. I believe that with the improved receiving corps, the third season of AP and a defense that has been “Superbowl caliber” for the last four or five years, T. Jackson can, with a full, 16 game season under his belt, highs and lows being taken with grace and humility by the organization, be the guy the Vikings are looking for. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with a great defensive team and without AP in the backfield.
I just want to throw out two names as food for thought: Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady. Both of these now Franchise quarterbacks won their first Super Bowls without being the focal point of their teams after taking over for veteran quarterbacks who injured themselves out of the line-up. Credit where it is due for winning of course granted, but check out the archives and look at the numbers these multiple ring wearing quarterbacks put up in their first two Super Bowl wins. I think Brady’s QB rating was in the seventies or low eighties. He did have that drive, but I’m sure he didn’t gain the poise and confidence to orchestrate that drive because the Patriots held the return of Bledsoe over his head like an oversized cartoon anvil. Brad Childress and the Vikings organization as a whole need to stop doing exactly that to T. Jack, drop the courting of Favre and tell T. Jack that if he wins the job in training camp, the job is his for the entire season. Step two is simple; take all the talent you have acquired on offense, take what works in the current system and design an entire scheme devoted to spreading the ball to: Adrian Peterson, V. Shiancoe, B. Berrian, Percy Harvin, Chester Taylor and Sidney Rice (if healthy) playing to the strengths of a young, live armed quarterback who has enough mobility to keep plays alive. Despite the fact that besides AP, none of the other players mentioned are in the top five, maybe top ten for a couple, players at their postion, there is enough offensive talent on this team to win a Super Bowl, this year, without Farve. And in case the Vikings want to be a contender for more than one year, how about forgetting the pursuit of players with one year or less left in their football careers. Unless you think the Patriots would have been better off sticking with Bledsoe when Brady struggled at times as a rookie. Then we might as well give Rich Gannon a call. He was a Viking once and after several years in the booth, I bet his arm is as strong as ever.
by TheChadK on Jun 12, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The quest
If you go back a little further, you’ll see Tommy Kramer and Wade Wilson flipping back and forth, then it was Wilson and Gannon, then it was Gannon and Salisbury until Moon came in, then Cunningham and George. I have to completely disagree with you on George, the man was a locker room and front office cancer and despite having a rocket-arm, his leadership left a lot to be desired. Like so many others, he was acquired at the hind-end of his career and the Vikes did well to let him go when they had Daunte waiting in the wings.
All in the quest for someone who could legitimately fill Tark’s shoes, and truth is, as great as Moon and Cunningham and Culpepper were during their heydays, none of them had Tark’s longevity with the Vikes, or his consistency. So the quest continues to this day for our long-term franchise QB and Chilly still has his main money on T-Jack, while having spread some around for Sage and wanting to hedge the bet further with Favre (a 1-year fix at best). He passed on Cassel (who I think is heavily overrated) and Cutler (who I think is the real deal), and we’re left with hoping and praying that T-Jack will be The Man. And maybe he will be.
As much as I’m in favor of letting the QB’s compete out the position, I still would love to see T-Jack given the nod. I agree that a full season of learning the ropes by actually doing the job is exactly what he needs to come into his own. I admit that I didn’t always have a lot of faith in T-Jack because he wasn’t showing the goods. However, I’ve watched him get better and better every year. The man isn’t a phenom QB like Cutler or Ryan or Flacco, but then most NFL QBs aren’t. He’s had some development time and I think the only real mishandling was in letting him think he was starting QB from day 1. Still…. it’s time, he’s ready, and if he falls completely apart later on, Sage is waiting for his chance to shine.
I want that franchise QB for the Vikes as much as anyone, but I’m also tired of this screwing around. All it makes clear is that the front office doesn’t know what it’s doing.
by DCPurple on Jun 13, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take
I feel bad for Tarvaris the most. He was supposed to be the starter last season. He had some off the field issues (family) and didn’t play the best the first 2 games of the season. He didn’t play bad, just not great. So he got pulled. Then He gets a chance to start again, and plays very well. Gets the team into the playoffs. Plays decently. Had one bad play in the first half. Then his head coach was incapable of making adjustments in the second half, and the Vikings lose. Either way, IMO he played well enough to be considered the starter for this year. Then the Vikings go and get Sage. TJack had to be a little discouraged about it, but hey, it will be an open competition, and any competitor would be ok with that. Now all of a sudden, Favre is being brought up. He is sure to come in and be the starter. No questions asked. TJack goes from being the certain starter to fighting for the back up spot. I’d be a little pissed if I was him too. TJack was a project. He came in, was forced to play way before he was ready, pays his dues, puts in the work, and is finally in a position to be the starter for his team. Now this?
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jun 13, 2009 12:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s just a temporary setback though. It’s not like Favre’s going to be here for the rest of Jackson’s career. The guy is just coming in for a season or two. If Jackson was smart, he’d keep the bitching to a minimum and simply put his nose to the grindstone and study hard for the upcoming season to try and beat out Sage. . . assuming some other attractive QB option isn’t available.
by Frost on Jun 13, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Super Bowl
And winning it, in 2010.
That’s the ONLY thing that will justify bringing Favre in to the Vikings organization. Anything less will have been a mistake because T-Jack and Sage could have gotten us to the playoffs. Anything less will set us back finishing T-Jack’s development and be another wasted year giving yet another has-been QB some pre-retirement money.
by DCPurple on Jun 13, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a temporary setback is just long enough for tj to reach free agency. tell the vikings to screw themselves for all the crap he’s gone through and go to another team to win the starting job.
by iseepurplepeople on Jun 15, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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