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Being Brett Favre

I hope this bit of the interview doesn't go unnoticed:

Joe Buck: There was a point there in Green Bay when it was like, 'Let me out, let me off, let me breathe, let me live my life,' wasn't there?

Brett Favre: You know, not really.  As I got older, I cared a lot less about what was going on aside from football.  I went to meetings, I went to practice, I came home, me and my youngest daughter would go to the stadium in Green Bay and we'd ride scooters around the concourses when no one was there.  It was great.  I would go hunting, come back, go to the stadium -- I'd do it all over again.  12 years ago, when I quit drinking, I had my fill of going out partying, all that stuff, and I wouldn't trade these last 12 years for anything.  And I'm at a place where I'm at peace -- I pull up to stoplights now and instead of getting right beside the next car, I stay back behind it.  I don't want people to say, 'Hey, there's such and such.'  It doesn't turn me on like it once did.  And so playing is -- it's because I love to play, not because of all the things that go along with it.

As we move toward the inevitable event of Brett Favre becoming a Viking, are his motivations for wanting to come out of retirement still fair game for criticism and speculation?  It's very difficult for me to claim that people shouldn't be able to raise legitimate questions about why, exactly, he's been putting us through this neverending ordeal, because it's something I've often wondered myself.  Some have claimed it's a bizarre sense of insecurity, others have argued that he wants revenge on Ted Thompson, and yet more have asserted that Brett simply loves the attention.

But is there a fourth option in this equation?  An option that -- let's face it -- is easily the corniest of the four, and one which some will reject simply because it might sound a bit naive?  I'm talking about the factor Brett referred to in that quote: A love of playing the game of football.  If you watch the interview, he certainly wasn't lacking in sincerity during this part -- I think the words convey that fairly well, as he discusses the memory of playing with his daughter at Lambeau and his reflection that he wouldn't trade the last 12 years for anything.  Should we take him seriously?

Look, it's still a tough pill for me to swallow after sifting through all the theories throughout the past weeks and months, but maybe this isn't about insecurity, revenge or attention.  Those are three very human weaknesses, and it'd hardly be surprising if they were pushing Favre back to the field -- but hey, maybe he just loves the game.

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Love of the game…. PERIOD!

by BlueWolf on Jun 16, 2009 7:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think it’s one or the other exclusively. It’s more than likely a mix of all four in some degree.

by Frost on Jun 16, 2009 7:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I don't buy it.

He had a lot of time to think about what he was going to say, and you know he figured Joe Buck would ask “Why are you thinking of possibly considering coming out of your semi-but-permanent retirement to maybe play for the possible Minnesota Vikings?” Of course he wasn’t going to actually say, “To get Ted Thompson for hurting my massive ego.” Or anything even remotely close to that, for that matter. He has to give the politically correct “Because I love to play” answer. I don’t buy it.

I’m sure that he still enjoys playing; it wouldn’t be worth it to come back just to get back at Uncle Ted, but I don’t think it’s as big a part as he’s trying to let on.

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Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Jun 16, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow, thanks italics.

Was only supposed to be the fourth word, “lot.” Damn it.

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Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Jun 16, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

No worries Manimal

I’m far from being the grammer police.

by CitrusFLViking on Jun 16, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh ... yeah

You act like you just stumbled upon some novel idea. Some of us have seen & believed that all along.

Welcome to the party.

by puddnhead on Jun 16, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I don’t know where you guys have been all along, but OK.

by Anthony21 on Jun 16, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

well his head has been in puddn.

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 16, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you serious? “Where have you guys been all along” that think Favre just loves to play, that is his primary motivation?

My god, that concept has been repeated SO OFTEN by the likes of John Madden, etc, that it’s probably become the #1 reason (for non-division rival fans) that people are sick and tired of — even “hate” — Favre. The whole “just a big kid out there,” “drawing plays in the sand” universe of cliches.

That it’s been said so many times that people roll their eyes, though, doesn’t change that IMO it’s probably true. If you watch enough interviews about Favre — especially if you read Deanna’s book which details some of his personal life — you actually do get a sense that in some ways he is Huck Finn/Peter Pan personified, a kid that will never grow up. And, even In Deanna’s book, that is not always a flattering portrayal, off the football field, he’s always been an emotional, kind of even “goofy” guy. Even on the field, his penchant to do things like fart loudly in the huddle at tense moments in a game to “loosen people up” is kind of … juvenile.

Please don’t take my comment more critically than I meant it though, I think a lot of your work here is pretty good. All I’m saying about this one specific post here, it’s slightly amusing that you think it’s such a novel concept that you have to ask “is that a possible explanation.” That’s all.

by puddnhead on Jun 17, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who Knows?

Do any of us really know all of the time why we do certain things? Having lived through every Viking season since 1961 and suffering the four Superbowl losses, I will be as excited as a five year old kid at Christmas if Brett Farve can be the quarterback on a Viking Superbowl team. To hell with who played where or did what in the past, I want to see the Vikings crowned champions of the NFL next January or February!

by TexasViking on Jun 16, 2009 9:01 AM CDT reply actions  

I believe

Favre doesn’t seem like the type to be motivated by revenge. In the short term, maybe, but for over a year now, I find that doubtful.

He’s been going through this never ending ordeal too, he and his family and you and me and teams all over the place. He loves to play. He didn’t love playing the last couple years at GB, with mgt fibbing to him, and a front line that couldn’t hold. He had signed a contract that essentially guaranteed he’d retire from GB, but the changes in mgt became a burr in his drawers. Thus leading to the beginning of the waffling. I wouldn’t doubt mgt got hissy, as they are wont to do when challenged, so things went totally sour.

Last year was a labor of love; hopefully this year, health permitting, will be a labor of love that works for everybody. Go Vikes.

by pritneer on Jun 16, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Hearing the Bell

The media has been spinning it’s wheels over the issue, trying to forecast and guess and speak with authority, trotting out the experts and companions, deluging us with their bullshit and distracting us from one simple truth; they don’t know. They never knew because the person in question didn’t tell them and he wasn’t feeding the shark frenzy they were creating.

Who can know what’s in another person’s heart, truly? The best we have to go by is what they tell us, and we can judge by that and their actions, but it’s still a guess.

I’m more concerned with what is, and maybe if I have some experiences that can relate, I can begin to understand what the man is going through.

I believe Favre; that he’s an old racehorse who hears the sound of the starting gate every single year, whether he’s on the field or not. And when he does, he starts to reach for his cleats or to take a football into his hands. That his heart probably races a bit faster, before he looks around and realizes, "Oh, I’m supposed to be done with that now… ".

The question remains, is he still capable of getting back out on the field and produce a full season’s good work? Guess we’ll find out….

by DCPurple on Jun 16, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I think it's all four.

It’s obvious the Brett loves to play football. To be honest, it’s all that he really knows, and his quote reflects it. His entire routine has always revolved around football. His love for the game is the main reason why so many fans (and announcers) love him.

Which brings in the insecurity. Since football is all he knows, I think he’s afraid of what he’ll do with his life after he finally retires for good (in about 13 more years, 12 more retirements, and 10 more teams, but that’s besides the point). His past struggles with painkillers and alcohol tell me he has an addictive personality—perhaps he’s just really concerned about how he’s going to fill up all that free time after football. Maybe he’s scared that he’ll feel a greater need for his old vices.

But if you think for one second he doesn’t love all the attention, you’re nuts. If he really hated the media hanging on his every whim, he would have done this interview weeks ago. And of course he told Buck it’ll be about a month before he knows if his shoulder is ready—fair enough, but please don’t let him fool you into thinking he’d rather not have all these eyes on him. That boy has cried wolf far too many times for me to believe it.

Finally, revenge is obviously a factor, because the Vikings are the only team Favre wants to come back for. He wants to play the Packers twice to get back at Ted Thompson. The Bears already have their QB, and the Lions…well I’m not sure they count as a football team right now.

Andrew, I believe all of your angles for Favre’s inevitable return are correct to a degree. It’s nice to romanticize that he “just wants to play football”, but it’s naive to think there aren’t other factors at work.

by Eric J. Thompson on Jun 16, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

If I had that

kind of $ finding how to fill my free time would be easy :)

by CitrusFLViking on Jun 16, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you Eric.

Is there any player that is playing that doesn’t “love the game”? Favre wants to come back for one reason, and that is to win another Super Bowl. He knows that the Vikings have a great running game and a great defense. It is the perfect situation for him to make one more run at that championship. The owners, coaches, scouts, and players have worked hard to make the Vikings division champs. We have a team right now that can win the division again. If the Vikes duplicate their success of last season with Favre at QB or even better it, I feel that with all of the hard work that has been done, Favre will get most of the credit. The only way I could ever say that having Favre on our team was a good thing is if we win the Lombardi trophy.

"Skol pa fiskande"

by NobleSavage on Jun 17, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

does it matter?

i don’t know any professional football players. i wouldn’t know favre or allen or peterson if they didn’t play football. i don’t know who they are, i only know they can play ball. the only empathy i can come up with is from playing high school football and i’m sure the motivation is completely different compared to the pros.

every player has to get himself ‘up’ to play week in and week out. the coaches, fans, media and teamates probably all play a roll in getting a player ready, but the final push comes from within. everyone has to do it. it doesn’t matter how (unless it’s illegal or cheating) it’s done.

not to sound cold but who cares what the guys motivation is? i personally think favre is trying desperately to go out on top. if he’d won the sb two years ago with the packers he’d be retired and none of this would have ever happened here or in green bay. and the cheese heads would still have fond visions of favre dancing in their heads. that’s only my opinion and who knows if it’s right. and also who cares? he’s not my friend and probably wouldn’t want my advice even if i wanted to give it.

whatever his reasons are he’s just the next formerly great athlete who can’t or doesn’t know when to quit. the list is long and spans all sports. sometimes you get lucky and get to go out on top (elway?) but most times you just look old (de la hoya?).

if the arm ends up good to go, here’s hoping favre gets his wish and goes out top.

man that tasted sour.
(i think i just threw up in my mouth a little)

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 16, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

It'll go away

Once you stop seeing him in a Packer jersey and doning PURPLE! That puke will taste pretty good if we wind up winning big.
Good post. Isse

by CitrusFLViking on Jun 16, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

if we wind up winning big.

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 16, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ego.

Pure and simple.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 16, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

To hell with why!!

The question is not why he really wants to come back, it is why you would want him? Does anyone really think we improved our pass protection this off season? Birk is gone and “the other lineman can’t even stand to say his name” is not. A 40 year old QB can not out scramble ones in their 20s. Bum shoulder equals no “GUN” and there is no way to say how long it will last even if it is better after surgery. Don’t get me wrong I wanted Farve last year bad, but now there are more questions then answers. He said himself last night he joined the Jets too late and the offense was new to him and had to be pared down. He knows our offense how? When did he practice with our first unit? When did he get our Playbook is it on the internet or something? That may be something the coaches may want to look in to, other teams may be able to defend us better if there is a leak in the front office.

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jun 16, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

hmmm...

the playbook on the internet, that could explain a lot. perhaps chili’s not completely clueless as a coach! nah….

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 16, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dream Things That Never Were and Ask Why Not

Don’t need a Weatherman to tell which way the wind blows. – Bobby Zimmerman, Duluth

After school is out, no one needs to bring a note from their mother to give them authorization to throw a football.

Favre’s first head coach called him a “car wreck” and when asked under what conditions Favre would get his first NFL start answered, “a plane crash,” by which it was understood that the coach and the rest of the team all would be dead and Favre would survive because he had missed the flight again.

Where is Jerry Glanville now? (Just a rhetorical question. I know the answer.)

Q. Why do any of us do what we do?
A. We can’t think of anything better to do with our time.

by Elgar on Jun 16, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

may be rhetorical

But I’ll answer it anyways. Jerry Glanville is coaching the Portland State Vikings! Haha. (I live in Portland)

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jun 16, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds beliveable

That was the old Brett Favre I knew 10 years ago who is this imposter now ?

by Larry47 on Jun 16, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions  

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