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PFT debating Jackson's status after the arrival of #4.

Could Tarvaris Get Booted?

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 18, 2009, 6:35 p.m.

As the NFL world waits for Brett Favre to make up his mind, the folks in Minnesota are beginning to imagine what life with Favre would be like.

It might not include Tarvaris Jackson.

During a chat Thursday, Minneapolis Star-Tribune writer Judd Zulgad wrote that he wouldn’t be surprised if T-Jack was the odd man out in Minnesota if Favre joins the team.

In Zulgad’s scenario, Sage Rosenfels would be the backup this season and potential starter in 2010, with John David Booty slotting behind him.  (Maybe Sage will be reading PFT again by then.)

On one hand, it’s hard to imagine Brad Childress letting go of Jackson, the quarterback he hand selected in his first draft with the franchise. Jackson also continues to have significant support within the Vikings locker room.

On the other hand, Jackson is entering the final year of his rookie contract and, well, he’s Tarvaris Jackson.  Rosenfels is under contract for three more years, and just received a $1.4 million signing bonus.  He’s not going anywhere.

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So rather than post my feelings on this at PFT, I would rather do it here since the comment format is more discussion-friendly.

 

They make a good point about Jackson's contract status, but fail to take into account the fact that getting rid of Jackson leaves us with Sage and Booty next year. I don't see us picking up a real contender at QB in the draft next year, considering the fact that we will likely be stuck with Chilly for at least another year if #4 shows up.

I would imagine if we did draft a QB, it would be Chilly's decision again and we would be in for another 4 year project that he swears he can make into the next McNabb.

Most of you already know my feelings about Jackson, some may even say I am in love with the guy. But for those who don't I will give you a brief synopsis:

He was drafted as a 4 year project at minimum, and was thrown in 3 years too early. He hasn't been able to develop the confidence needed to be an NFL QB and has been hampered by Chilly's inability to adjust his scheme to his players strengths.  He is not as stupid as people claim him to be, though he does have issues with Mechanics and reading opposing defenses. Both of those issues can be ironed out, if given the proper direction.

 

That said, what do you expect to happen? Can we really let Jackson go, and go into next year again without an option at QB?

Do we try to grab someone like Tebow next year? I don't see that as a viable option considering we will have the 32nd pick next year.   ;)

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Why would we get rid of TJack?

BF is only going to be here for one year and once he gets his ring and sticks it to GB, he’ll ride ride his tractor off into the sunset and then we are going to need a young QB like TJack to defend our title and lead us into the future. TJack showed he can learn from the bench and who best to learn this offense from than #4 who has mastered it for so long? If we can keep all 4 QB’s somehow and then have an open competition next year great, If not, keep the best three and draft someone next year. I don’t believe TJack would be out in this scenario.

by nmvikesfan on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

You Gotta Know When to Hold 'em

When Judd talks he often says he would not be surprised by a lot of things, but yet he usually returns later on to his other area of apparent specialization, saying he is surprised and unable to fathom the things that actually do happen in Vikingland.

Great football minds may not all think alike, but many of of them actually think.

I agree that you discard the least ranking player at a postion for which you still need a long-term solution, even if Brett should run the table this year. TJack is aware his resume highlights include a pick six in the playoffs. It’s not like 31 teams are going to elbow each other trying to outbid the Vikings come contract time.

What critics call stubborn in a mockingly bad sense, I am sure that Childress views as dogged determination and faith in his own coaching principles. He still believes Tarvaris can make the grade, given enough experience. It’s just that the team is in an urgent situation with the economy on the rocks now. Childress is not going to toss out the all work he’s invested for some new lottery ticket which might have the same four-year results and cause his undoing.

So put yourself in the coach’s footwear, and ask yourself, WWBBD? (What would Bill Belichick do?) My hunch is one of your quarterbacks gets injured in preseason and goes on IR.

Hey, anything can happen. Football is a contact sport, you know?

by Elgar on Jun 19, 2009 2:17 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

that’d be the savvy move.

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 19, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

No way TJack goes

Look at what he did the last past of the season. He is starting to show glimpses of what he can accomplish. Sure he had a pick 6 in the playoffs. Against one of the best defenses in the league, and one of the best corners in the league. Not to mention he led the team down the field the next drive for a score.
TJack is still a little raw. But no where near as raw as JDB. If anyone goes, it’ll be him.
As far as Jackson’s contract goes, right now the Vikings can resign him to a 3 year deal worth very little. TJack isn’t going to ask for 9 million a year or anything.

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jun 19, 2009 2:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Most likely scenario in my mind...

Favre starts, Sage and Tarvaris battle for the number two spot, and John David Booty gets put on the practice squad. Hopefully, the Vikings wouldn’t have another Thigpen situation on their hands, but I’d rather keep JDB if at all possible. Just needs to develop a bit more, I think.

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by Manimal on Jun 19, 2009 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm fairly confident

that if we tried to sneak Booty onto the practice squad, some other team would snatch him up. Bringing in Favre truly presents a conondrum at the QB spot. We go from not knowing if we have a real starter at QB to having to get rid of someone we shouldn’t really get rid of at this point in time.

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by TheViking83 on Jun 19, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

What makes you think that?

I’m honestly just curious why you think someone would try and snake him from the Vikings.

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by Manimal on Jun 19, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody saw it coming from Thigpen either. I was going to argue that Booty fell to the 5th round, but then I remember Thigpen was our 6th rounder.

by Frost on Jun 19, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

but kc snagged thigpen after watching him in our formerly annual scrimmage. how many teams have seen booty like that?

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 19, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any coach that watches pre-season games

by Frost on Jun 20, 2009 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that might detract from their opinion of him.

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 20, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would just imagine

that somebody higher up on the waiver wire than us would consider Booty a better option for THEIR practice squad than whoever they would currently have. Perhaps there are some teams who would even consider him a better option at #3 on their squad.

He hasn’t shown much skill yet, but a USC quarterback with a year of learning under his belt? Some team will want to at least throw him on their practice squad.

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by TheViking83 on Jun 19, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Booty would go

Wow…first off, its pure hilarity to have that as the subject line of my post. Epic.

Now, on to reality. Though I’m openly disenfranchised with TJack & feel hes a waste of time at this point, why the heck would we not cut Booty or practice squad him if possible?

No.1 – Bart Favray No.2 – Sage Rosenfels No.3 – TJack.

Thats a geat QB lineup. Screw Booty! (man, thats epic also!) Let the clown go. We all know, as does Bevell & Chilly, that he’s a rag-armed, overated Trojan. Like most QBs out of SoCal (sorry Carson…you’re pretty darned talented…and I’m not sold on Sanchez yet, but he may be a keeper). and yes, for the record I’m a Trojan hater…so what?

That is just pure speculation. Chilly wouldnt just toss out TJack. That would be totally moronic. At this point, with Bart looking like he’s coming to Minnesota, we could easily have the best QB depth in the NFC if not the entire NFL. This is just BS IMHO.

by Viking64 on Jun 19, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

It is, however...

All about the money. I don’t think they’d be willing to sign Tarvaris to a big extension to be a number three QB. He’d most likely have to win the backup spot and sign a decent deal; if he doesn’t, he could be cut. I don’t actually think he would be, but the contract negotiations could play a major part into it.

Like I said previously, I’d like Booty to just get signed to the practice squad; we all know Favre will only be around a year, anyway.

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by Manimal on Jun 19, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

cash

True. I didnt even consider the money angle….wich is always the most important in pro sports.

by Viking64 on Jun 19, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

5 QBs

I’m pretty sure someone in the Vikings org said that they were looking to carry 4 QBs this season. Chilly, or maybe Speilman.

Favre – If he shows up, he bounces someone lower on the totem pole

T-Jack – I think he just may be all of that and a bag of chips, inquiring minds want to know and Chilly’s stuck too long with this project to kick it to the curb before knowing whether or not it’s done. T-Jack stays.

Sage – The price is right and so is the ability, for at least a solid second-stringer which the Vikes need. Sage stays.

Booty – Um. So far he’s showing nothing, as far as we know. He’s dangling by a slim thread.

Gleason – Yep. Sean Gleason. The Mystery QB who’s signing was a complete shot in the dark. Is he a keeper? Who knows… another slim thread.

I think it’s between Booty and Gleason. Bearing in mind that even if Favre shows up and lasts the entire year, he’ll probably leave after that and then the Vikes are left hanging. T-Jack and Sage have both got to stay, and either Booty or Gleason will bring up rear. Sounds like a job for Booty. Did I say that? Heh. Don’t know enough about either to begin to say which is worth retaining…

by DCPurple on Jun 19, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

FYI:

According to Access Vikings, Minnesota waived Sean Gleason today. So there’s one less on the roster, anywho. If you’re curious, here’s the link.

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by Manimal on Jun 19, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Consider myself updated from out-of-date :)

Ok, so 4 QBs is what they said they were prepared to carry this year in any case, so they should be good to go.

I wish I could have more faith in JDB, he looked great in his college highlights.

Ah well, you think this is a circus now, wait til 2013 (or 2012 if he goes early) when Nick Montana (Joe Montana’s son) declares his draft eligibility, heh.

by DCPurple on Jun 20, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

they’ll keep all four. either practice squad or ir (that’s a great idea btw).

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 19, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

ok let tjack go

I make no bones about it. I don’t fell tjack will ever be a top notch NFL QB. I could be wrong but i don’t think so. From what i seen of Tjack. he is like a good looking girl that will just tease you but she will never put out. With something like that it hard to let go but it will be for the best to cut ties. Because if you don’t you will be living in “What If”. We seen what he can do.
He was drafted as a 4 year project at minimum, and was thrown in 3 years too early. He hasn’t been able to develop the confidence needed to be an NFL QB and has been hampered by Chilly’s inability to adjust his scheme to his players strengths. He is not as stupid as people claim him to be, though he does have issues with Mechanics and reading opposing defenses. Both of those issues can be ironed out, if given the proper direction." As to this yes he came in too early. But if you remember he was not thrown into the wolves. They had a plan that as long as he mature they were going to have veteran around him. They did that to a point he could show them the ability to command the offense, but he just shown atheletic ability not the mental capacity to run an NFL offense. As for the comment they did not adapt the offense to his ability. also false they cut the field in half for him. How much dose have to cater to a player. They put in the roll out Just for tjack. But the defense catch on. They stay with it so long that it start to affect the teams chances. Alot of you criticise Fat pet for his comment. I see nothing wrong with it. he speak the truth. If was tjack i would spend all my time in the film room and get help from the vet on the defense on how to read the blitz. That is where he have trouble. When the defense have basic formation he is ok boderline very good. But when the biltz come he can’t cope with the pressure and run or dump it off. So in the end I would like them to trade him. If not then cut ties with him so we can move on. There are lots of talent out there. QB like tjack for a dime you buy a dozen. A QB you can trust in hard time an pressure situation is another story. If does get cut or traded i wish him the best. But i for will not miss him.

by vikefansd on Jun 19, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

let TJ go

The Vikings have resigned players early that they have wanted to keep….imo this is a clue to TJ’s future. If they see no more improvement this year, camps/preseason he will be gone/not resigned.
They went after Sage last season but the price was to high…this year they did get him in here. JDB still has time on his contract…and from some reports out of OTA’s, and the mandatory, he has improved.
I think we will know more after training camp on IF they plan to keep 4 QB’s…should Ole#4 show up.
But again I point to the failure or the no attempt at and early resigning of TJ by the Vikes,as the real proof as to how the Vikes see his future with the team.

by vikefan1969 on Jun 21, 2009 6:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Jackson won't go

He is Childress’ project, and Childress has way to much pride to accept that he isn’t going to work out. Though you guys should let him go.

by packallday555 on Jun 21, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

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