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The Favre Stages of Grief

You know, I've been doing a lot of thinking over the past couple of days, most of it relating to our Beloved Purple.  And I tried to figure out exactly what it was that my fellow fans might be going through as it pertains to the whole saga that we've watched unfold with Brett Favre and the Minnesota Vikings over the course of the past month and a half or so.  We've all followed this entire thing with baited breath, wondering what this is going to bring to our favorite club as we prepare for the 2009 NFL season, and I wasn't quite sure how to express that.

But, thanks to the good people that make the hilarious Cartoon Network show Robot Chicken, it appears as though I've found what I've been looking for.

In her book On Death and Dying that was published in 1969, Dr. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross introduced to the world what has come to be known as the Kubler-Ross model, or more simply the "Five Stages of Grief."  Now, while Kubler-Ross used this model in terms of people that are dealing with a tragedy in their lives, such as a terminal illness or the loss of a family member, and our friend the giraffe over there on the right is using it in regards to a bit of a predicament of his own, I believe that the process also describes how many Viking fans have felt about the entire Brett Favre to the Vikings drama that has been presented to us recently.

Keep in mind, I'm not meaning in any way, shape, or form to mock anyone with this post.  If anyone is offended by my using something that is, indeed, usually used in connection with tragedy in some way as a basis for this writing, I apologize in advance.  I have been through the grieving process a number of times myself over the course of the last 32 years, and mean no ill in any way as a result of this post.

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Stage One - Denial
-Denial is usually only a temporary defense for the individual.  This feeling is generally replaced with heightened awareness of situations and individuals that will be left behind after death.

Now, while the "after death" part certainly doesn't apply to an NFL football team in any tangible way, I'm pretty sure that this is the first thought that hit all of our minds as soon as the Jets released Brett Favre a few days after the 2009 Draft.

"Nah, there's no way the Vikings are bringing Brett Favre to Minnesota."
"The Vikings just dealt for Sage Rosenfels.  He and Tarvaris Jackson will have an open competition for the QB job."
"Didn't you see Favre at the end of last year?  Why on earth would the Vikings want to deal with that?"

When this whole thing first started, nobody believed that it was true.  Nobody thought that there was any real way that this could even remotely happen after the Jets crashed and burned at the end of 2008 with Favre at the helm.  Now, I don't really believe that there are a heck of a lot of people that are still in this stage.  Not after all the back-and-forth between the team and the media and Favre and Brad Childress and everything else that's taken place since late April.  I'm sure that there are still a few holdouts that are at this point, but many of them have moved on through the process.

Stage Two - Anger
Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue.  Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage or envy.

Of all the stages, I believe that there are a fairly significant number of Viking fans that are in this stage of the process.  For example. . .

"Why the hell doesn't (Peter King/Mike Florio/ESPN/insert target of choice) stop talking about Favre?  Nobody cares!"
"I don't want that damn lawn-mowing redneck cheesebilly on our team!"
"I swear, if the Vikings bring Brett Favre here, I'll (cancel my season tickets/cancel my Sunday Ticket/stop watching games) and never support this team again!"

And, frankly, that's understandable.  I say that because I spent a pretty fair bit of time during this process in this stage myself.  As someone that's been running this site for almost three years, part of my job is to rip on this team's rivals, and for 16 years, Brett Favre was the face of one of those rivals.  I've copped to the fact that I have said a great deal of unsavory things about #4 in the past, and I have no problem admitting that.  I also understand the fact that no matter what should happen before, during, or after the time that Brett Favre puts on a Minnesota Vikings' uniform. . .and I'm not going to insult your intelligence by throwing the "if" disclaimer out there, because I'm pretty sure that it's a done deal at this point. . .many people will never get past the fact that he wore that green and yellow jersey for all those years on the eastern side of the border.

What I fail to understand is why anyone would stop supporting the team as a result of the acquisition of a player whose biggest crime was playing for the Green Bay Packers for 16 years.  Hell, we're not talking about O.J. Simpson or Rae Carruth or Michael Vick here or anything. . .those guys are outright scum.  While I've never been Brett Favre's biggest fan, I wouldn't ever put him in the same category as those three guys.  And bringing him to Minnesota certainly wouldn't be enough to cause me to stop cheering for the team I've been a fan of for 25 years.  Like I said, I went through the anger stage for a while, too. . .but I couldn't see myself stopping at that stage.  I hope that a lot of you out there won't, either.

Stage Three - Bargaining
The third stage involves the hope that the individual can somehow postpone or delay (the inevitable).

This is the one stage that doesn't seem to fit in quite as neatly.  The Kubler-Ross model talks tells us that this is usually a person telling whatever higher authority they believe in that they'll start doing something if they're allowed just a little more time on this mortal coil.  In the case of the Favre Stages of Grief, however, it more or less means that Viking fans are trying to convince themselves that bringing #4 to Minnesota could be a good idea. . ."bargaining" with themselves and their beliefs as a fan, more or less.

"Well, he's played pretty well the past couple of years when he's been healthy."
"Man, could you imagine the look on the cheeseheads' faces when Favre walks into Lambeau Field in purple?"
"Really, if we brought him in, we'd be upgrading our entire QB depth chart, not just our starter."

There are any number of ways to get through the bargaining part of the process.  It could be to look at the stats that Favre has put up when healthy over the past few seasons, it could be going back and watching the playoff loss to the Philadelphia Eagles this past January, or it could just be sitting back and visualizing a Vikings' team with Brett Favre at quarterback.  This is also sort of a turning point in the process. . .a person can either accept this and move forward in the process, or they can get even more ticked off and backslide into Stage Two.  In either case, the stay at Stage Three is usually a relatively short one.

Stage Four - Depression
. . .the individual may become silent, refuse visitors, and spend much time crying and grieving.  This process allows the individual to disconnect themselves from things of love and affection.

Again, the Kubler-Ross description is a bit more harsh than what we need to describe how a football fan connects this to their team.  This is another point that many fans have come to at this point, in my opinion.  They're facing the fact that, barring something crazy, Brett Favre will be the quarterback of the Minnesota Vikings on Opening Weekend 2009.  This could cause their enthusiasm for Viking football to significantly diminish, and they may fear that they'll no longer recognize their favorite club if Brett Favre is leading them into battle.

To be honest, when I wrote my piece that I put together a month ago about finally being okay with the entire Favre situation, I might have actually been straddling the line between this stage and Stage Five.  I had faced the fact that the Vikings were more than likely going to have #4 in the fold by the time Training Camp got underway, but I wasn't completely "at peace" with the idea.  There was still that little part of me that wanted to hold on to the dislike and ill will that I had projected towards the guy for all those years he was in Green Bay.  But, eventually, I got through it, and moved myself along to. . .

Stage Five - Acceptance
This final stage comes with peace and understanding. . .

I am quite proud to say that, after all these weeks of conflicting stories and debate and everything else, that I am firmly entrenched in this stage of the process.  While I'm not a fan of Favre per se, and probably never will be, I have come to the conclusion that my being a fan of the Minnesota Vikings is much, much bigger than one player, and it has been for as long as I've been a fan of the team.  The Minnesota Vikings were here long before Brett Favre, and they'll be here long after.  Regardless of who this team runs out on the field in a weekly basis, whether it's this year or any other year, I'll be cheering them on every bit as much as I have every other season.

I'm not surprised that more Viking fans aren't in this stage with me, based solely on what I've observed, but I will say that I'm a bit disappointed by it, and saddened by the divide that it has caused within the fan base.  You can be a Viking fan without being a Favre fan, on one hand. . .and on the other hand, you can be a Viking fan without having to name your first born after Brett Favre or offer to bear his children or anything like that.

I really, truly hope that if you're reading this, that you too have come to the realization that one or two seasons of Brett Favre in Minnesota in no way tarnishes nearly fifty years of Vikings history.  As a group, we've been through way more than this, and we've been through way worse than this. . .and we've managed to persevere for this long.  To be honest, I'm not even sure if "signing Brett Favre" would crack a list of the Top 20 most disappointing things to ever happen to the Minnesota Vikings.

Our team needs our support in 2009, regardless of who's calling the signals or taking the snaps.  Join us. . .won't you?

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Based on this article, which of the Favre Stages of Grief do you find yourself in?
Stage One - Denial
31 votes
Stage Two - Anger
79 votes
Stage Three - Bargaining
44 votes
Stage Four - Depression
58 votes
Stage Five - Acceptance
394 votes
I know your nickname is "Gonzo," but you've apparently taken enough mind-altering drugs to make yourself believe you're actually Hunter S. Thompson
133 votes

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Very much in acceptance mode.

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by Andersklasen on Jun 20, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good to have you back, Andrew!

"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.

by Gonzo2 on Jun 20, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

I’ve been on vacation. If for some reason you missed my writing I’ll be sure to get something up soon. :)

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by Andersklasen on Jun 20, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Gonzo

I’ve actually accepted the fact that Favre is eventually coming to the vikings because if you remember he almost got traded here last year. I’ve probably been in acceptance mode for a year now.

by All Day, All Night on Jun 20, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven't, and I never will. Mark my words.

"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.

by Gonzo2 on Jun 20, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks almost childish.

There’s nothing we can do to stop this potential move. The only thing, in fact, in our hands is the ability to deal with it.

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by Andersklasen on Jun 21, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we childish ones can still whine about it and get dragged along kicking and screaming. There’s always that option.

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Just say no to Favre.

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 21, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that kicking and screaming is quite cathartic :)

by DCPurple on Jun 22, 2009 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It really is, you should try it. Gets all the anger and anxiety out, and afterwards you’re too tired to care anymore.

Also, it’s kind of funny when people get ticked off at you for kicking and screaming. I’m so bad. :D

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 22, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, they need their catharsis too, you know :) .

by DCPurple on Jun 23, 2009 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

acceptance

Actually, i lie when i say i’ve “accepted” the arrival of Favre – I’ve got my fingers crossed that he ends up healthy and here! Compared to what we already have, he brings so much MORE to the table, beginning with an ability to read defenses and call audibles. I still believe we are one q.b. from the big one, and that Favre may be that one! Besides, being a one-time Puker shouldn’t be cause for disqualification; I, for one,have been quite pleased with the last two Green Bay castoffs we’ve acquired.

by kagey on Jun 20, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well if Favre were to become a Vikings, I would most definitely be in either the denial or anger stage. But since he’s not going to be a Viking, these stages are irrelevant, and this whole debate is pointless.

I’m going to go to my room and cry into my pillow now.

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 20, 2009 9:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lol

You will fall asleep with those tears on your face and have a dream that Favre comes to tell you it will be OK. He will tell you that he has come to make the Purple Lands happy again. He will wipe away your tears and say, “Farva, I have actually been under contract with the Vikings for 13 years and have been corrupting Packer country from within. Now I am coming home, where I belong, where everyone can melt cheese on sandwiches, instead of wearing it on their heads!” You will then wake up feeling refreshed…that everything is fine in the world.

Then as the haze of dreaming wears off, you will realize that you are really a wussy little girl for running to your pillow to cry, and that Favre is still a Cheesehead that wants to call you Bubba instead of Farva! Muahahahaha….

Your bud,
Lofoten

by Lofoten on Jun 20, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate you…

At least my pillow loves me.

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Just say no to Favre.

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 20, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That actually sounds a little harsh. Joking of course.

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Just say no to Favre.

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 20, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hehe

the first response was fine, girly-man! Btw, your pillow and I used to have fun together a few years back. We are just friends now, so no worries.

by Lofoten on Jun 21, 2009 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what you think. You haven’t heard the things my pillow has said about you.

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 21, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you wash that pillow regularly.

When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.

by Robert Rence on Jun 21, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since when are you supposed to wash pillows? I thought you only had to wash the sheets.

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Just say no to Favre.

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 21, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"To be honest, I'm not even sure if "signing Brett Favre" would crack a list of the Top 20 most disappointing things to ever happen to the Minnesota Vikings"

That does not sound like a man in acceptance stage to me.

Seriously, you guys act like improving the team talent, without even costing a draft pick, and likely no $ (net of merchandising), is some kind of horrible, terrible thing.

The guy was only a Packer because they traded to Atlanta for him. He didn’t know Green Bay frm Jack then, and probably wasn’t thrilled about it. You act like he chose that or something. Well now, he actually is choosing to come here. For the first time in his NFL life, he is choosing where he’s going, and this is wehre he chose. He’s not even talking to anyone else..

And your pissed — going through “stages of grief” — because a great football player wants to be a Viking?

I don’t get it

by puddnhead on Jun 20, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just to be clear, that wasn’t so much directed at you Gonzo. That actually was a clever little piece, and I do think fans have had to go through “stages” in dealing with this.

I guess my little rant was more directed at people who are still in one of your early stages, and are even “foaming at the mouth like Fran” about it.

Guess you can say I’m in stage 6: “Disbelief that so many others are even gong through grief”

by puddnhead on Jun 20, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I think that is where philosophy and personal opinion come in to play.

When you say that we act like improving the team talent is some kind of horrible, you are assuming that we agree on Favre being an improvement. Favre has his good and bad sides, and not everyone is sure he will produce in Minnesota due to his age, recent shoulder surgery and inexperience with a well-balanced team like the Vikings.

As for it being his choice or not to play in Green Bay, that would have been a good argument if he had finished out his contract there and moved on. However, he chose to extend his time there considerably, and became the figurehead of the enemy for more than a decade. He was an idol in GB until he started playing his retirement games. Had he looked to move on to another conference, he would have played a couple years and then really retired, and GB fans would have still loved him, and he would have become the Fran Tarkenton of the Packers. Instead, he is now forever tarnished, and will make that even worse once he starts playing for the hated Vikings.

by Lofoten on Jun 21, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot to ask him if his head was made of pudding.

by Bjorno on Jun 21, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmmm...

pudding…

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by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 21, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What he said. I don’t think Favre is big enough improvement to justify bringing him in.

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by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 21, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

formerly great.

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 22, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three 2008 games: did you watch any of them?

Jets vs. Cardinals
Jets vs. Patriots II
Jets vs. Titans

Three of the toughest teams in the league last year. All instant classic games. All wins. All (except perhaps Titans?) probably losses if Jets had any other QB.

If you haven’t seen them, go gets torrents at TYT. Then come back and tell me he wasn’t still great in the middle of last season (after he learned playbook, before he got hurt). He was a legitimate (though dark horse) candidate for MVP after by the time of the Titans game.

And snatch almost any game from 2007 (all but maybe four) while you’re there

by puddnhead on Jun 22, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 toughest teams in the league? The Cardinals got beat just as bad by the Vikings with Jackson, the Pats didn’t even make the playoffs, and the Titans struggled at the end of the season and lost their first playoff game, something the Vikings get killed for.
Every year there are a handful of MVP candidates through out the year. Especially at the beginning of the year when people can come out on fire, but where was this “legitimate” MVP candidacy down the stretch? By the end of the season no one was taking about Favre as the MVP, not even his good friend Peter King. Favre couldn’t get a better record then the ’08 Vikings, let alone get into the playoffs.

by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 22, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

“of the”

by puddnhead on Jun 22, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals were probably a bad example.

Pats still went 11-5. It was a fluke they didn’t make the playoffs. Not to mention the greatest player in the NFL went down week 1.

Titans at the time were undefeated. Enough said.

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jun 23, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Cardinals were probably a bad example."

Favre threw six touchdowns and one interception in that game, with a > 70% completion rate and a QB rating of 123.7. On a bad ankle, playing with a limited playbook. With his #1 receiver still recovering from an injury that he’d ahd limited practice with. With a rushing game that got < 3 yards per attempt. Setting franchisee records for # touchdowns in a game. Google it. Against a team that came within two mintues of winning the superbowl.

But this is not a valid example of Favre playing well last year.

I’m not sure what to say to that, that has not been already said. I guess at some point people are gonna believe what they want to believe, there’s not much I can do about that.

by puddnhead on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Jackson threw 4 TDs and 0 INTs with a 65% comp rate and a QB rating of 135.5. And he did it as the visiting team, late in the season as the Cards were gearing up for the playoffs,after he had been sitting most of the season before playing a half a game at Detroit the week before. Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, and Matt Cassel all had great or career days against the Cards last year. Just because they made it to the SB and came close to winning doesn’t make them a dominate team. Did Favre have a great day against them? Sure, but so did a lot of other people including a QB the Vikings already have on their roster.

by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 23, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are you trying to say?

I suggested the Jets-Cardinals game as an example of a game that Favre played well. You replied it wasn’t, and I countered with Favre’s stats from that game. You replied by saying that TJack also played them well, and gave his stats, somewhat similiar to what Favre had.

So … if Favre’s game against Cardinals does not prove anything (because they suck so much, or whatever your point is), then TJack’s game against them doesn’t prove anything either, right?

Man, you must REALLY be down on Tjack, then. What other decent games did he have last year, if this one doesn’t count. the second half against the Lions? (which one would think is less meaningful than the Cardinals). the only other game he was remotely clsoe to good was against the Giants, and remotely is the operative word there.

by puddnhead on Jun 23, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You commented that the Cardinals were one of the most dominant teams in the league last year. yes they went to the superbowl, but that doesn’t change the fact that their D was horrible for most of the season. That was my point. Did Favre have a great game against the Cards? Yes. He had an amazing game. But it was against one of the worst defenses in the league. I was actually trying to defend your opinion against vikingfuture8816. Damn. Even when people try to support your opinion you have to bite them in the ass.

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jun 24, 2009 5:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sigh

I never used th word dominant. Please don’t put words in my mouth. I said (exact quote) it was “one of the toughest teams in the league” Yes, I consider any playoff team — never mind one that makes it to the superbowl — “one of the toughest.”

All I was trying to say was his play in that game proved he still could do it, oput the points on the board when needed. In that game they did, the Jets had no run game. Sure th Cards did not have a great defense, but you act like any QB should be able to run up 6 TD on them. Well only one did. And any QB should be able to beat them. Well less than half did.

by puddnhead on Jun 24, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I’m done trying to back you up on any issue whatsoever

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jun 24, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Err ...OK

I’ll post facts or my opinion if I think that POV is not represented or unclear, no matter who it is that I may be taking issue with. It’s nothing personal; I don’t even really look who it is. You seem to be saying you will decide if you post your opinion depending on who you ’re replying to.

I just don’t get that, but … whatever. I mean, it’s just a freakin anonynmous chat board. Don’t take is so seriously!

by puddnhead on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TYT

AHHHHhhh, so that’s where they’re stashing ’em….

I think my off-season Sundays just got a little bit brighter :)

by DCPurple on Jun 23, 2009 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re welcome :)

by puddnhead on Jun 23, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its funny that you used this as a model Gonzo. Using it as a direct comparison, you made Favre=Death and asked fans to accept death.

by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 21, 2009 3:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I didn't mean it that way

I wasn’t asking them to accept “death” so much as I’m asking them to accept the “inevitable.”

At least, I think it’s inevitable that Favre is coming here. If I’m wrong, well. . .I’m wrong. (-:

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by Gonzo on Jun 21, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t being serious, I really thought it was a good and funny way to put it all together. ;)

by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 21, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

                   Also, I have come to some acceptance. I accept (a while ago actually) that the Vikings and I aren’t always going to see eye to eye. They are going to make moves that I am greatly in support of (Signing Allen, drafting Harvin) and they will do things that make me want to smash things (trading Moss and doing it for tiddly winks). It will never change the fact that I am a Vikings fan and always will be, but it doesn’t mean I have to be happy about a move or signing if I think it isn’t the best thing to do.
                   There are those out there that still don’t accept that Childress is the coach or the way he runs things, but we don’t ask them to just accept it. They are allowed to continue to make their case (or new nickname) all the time and continue the debate. I don’t care that my voice is the minority when it comes to whether you want Favre to be a Viking, I will continue to think Favre isn’t the best choice for the Vikings until its proven otherwise. IMO there is more support and physical evidence showing Favre on a decline and very undeserving of the free pass he gets when people start saying he is a “Hall of Fame” QB. Favre is a “Future HOF” QB which means he doesn’t live in a land of lore where he is untouchable yet. One day he will get there, but until that day, he is a 40 year old QB who had a lot of success in the past, but now is coming out of a bad year and has a surgically repaired throwing shoulder. No one took Jeff George seriously (41 yrs old), and no one wants what ol’ Vinny Testaverde (now 45, but played till he was 44) was putting out his last few years and they didn’t just have surgery, let alone surgery on their throwing shoulders.

by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 21, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rock On

That’s the bottom line for me too; I’m a Viking fan, year in and year out, thick and thin (way more thin than thick, it sometimes seems). I may not agree with everything they do, but when the cleats hit the turf, we’re all pulling the cart in the same direction.

by DCPurple on Jun 23, 2009 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no no! i was a good analogy! farvre=death. as in death to our superbowl chances.

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 22, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"if X=Darrell Bevell" Favre(Childress + X)=Death

I think I’m in the manic depressive phase on this one. Sometimes I’m like “Ya know he played great 2 years ago and if he does that again we could really make the superbowl.” Then after I think that I get an image in my head of Favre’s face on the front page of ESPN holding the Lombardi trophy in purple and start sobbing uncontrollably. “Why GOD! Why did it have to be him!!!”

by NYCVike on Jun 21, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what a funny, clever post

Loved in Gonzo!

Now, I’d have to say I’m in the “Bargaining” stage right now. I’ve certainly dealt with the denial (I’m not worried, there’s no way they’re gonna bring him in, even if he got back in playing shape, which he wont… he doesn’t want to have surgery.)

And MOST DEFINITELY the anger (I never want to see that piece of premadonna crap put on a purple jersey… EVER!!!).

Now, while I’m still not cool with all of this, I don’t find myself getting so angry anymore. Now, it’s more along the lines of, “Come on… just give us this year… maybe T-Jax will bring it all together finally… Rosenfels has looked good at times in his career…”. Bargaining to keep this team how it is for another year, haha.

I’ll shift into “Depression” stage as soon as the announcement is made. I’ll probably lock myself in a room for a day or so and mope and whine.

But, ultimately, because my love of the Vikings runs so strong, I will eventually shift into “Acceptance” mode. This will probably be the first time I see training camp footage of Favre hitting Berrian deep. I never have to like Brett Favre, and never will, but like Gonzo said, I really can’t let it get in the way of my undeniable fanaticism.

And, by the way, Favre leading the Vikings is almost as tragic to me as the loss of a loved one. Well, maybe not a really close loved one…. like, a cousin I rarely see or something. So, this model works for me!

V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!

by TheViking83 on Jun 21, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

To quote the stupid Guinness commercials;

BRILLIANT!

This is one of those articles that is immeasurably better than anything coming from a newspaper, radio show, or even tWWL. I could not have enjoyed the analogy more, even as you yourself gave a disclaimer to not read TOO much into the Five Stages because of what they’re traditionally used to describe.

Gonzo, you should be proud of this article. This is something that you should keep on file for a long time, just in case. It’s preposterously well-written, and it puts most of my recent work to shame.

Way to raise the bar, jerk.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Jun 22, 2009 2:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, you're a Packer fan

You’re supposed to think that I’m a jerk. (-:

But I’m flattered by your compliments, honestly. I actually had a lot of fun writing this one.

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by Gonzo on Jun 22, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have actually found myself back to stage 2 after a tumultuous ride through the 5 stages about 3 or 4 times.

"Skol pa fiskande"

by NobleSavage on Jun 22, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

Nice use of the word “tumultuous.” I haven’t heard it in awhile. Good job to you, sir.

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Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Jun 22, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am in denial and i've never been to egypt

i am and will remain in denial until one of two things happens:

the vikings fail to win the superbowl at which time i will move to the anger stage and remain there until the next favreless season (and yes i can cheer my team on every single play and still be in denial over the qb situation)

or

we win the superbowl and after my voice returns i will shrug and say ‘guess i was wrong’ and then i will move to the acceptance stage and continue cheering.

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 22, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

And since I seriously doubt Favre will win us the Super Bowl, I just want everyone to know that I will say “I told you so.” But no hard feelings :D

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 22, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saying that is like saying ....

… paying for life insurance last year was dumb because you didn’t die.

Seriously guys, the odds are vikings winning superbowl are maybe 1 in 10, or 1 in 5 at best, Favre or no Favre. But they are zero in 10 if we don’t even try. And getting Favre means trying. It does NOT mean we better be a lock to win. And saying “if we didn’t win, that means it wasn’t even worth trying” is pretty silly.

by puddnhead on Jun 22, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can’t even follow this logic…

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 22, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t pretend I’m surprised.

by puddnhead on Jun 22, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And not getting Favre means they don’t want to win the Super Bowl? The only reason to even bring him in is to win a Super Bowl, not try to win it. They are already trying to win a SB, but if they are going to bring in Favre, they are saying, “This is the piece we are looking for and this will win us a SB.” He isn’t the future of the franchise and at best has 2 years left to play, which means if there is no SB win in that time, it is a waste of time and money on a big scale. If you don’t think they are trying without going after Favre, then you are going to be really disappointed when he leaves without winning a SB and the Vikings are right where they are now, only this time, most of the D will be pushing 30+ and the Vikings will be looking to replace more than just the old QB they brought it in to win it all, but didn’t. Your logic here is so off its no wonder all your posts are about your love for Favre.

by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 22, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only reason to even bring him in is to win a Super Bowl, not try to win it.

Uh … usually you don’t succeed in doing something that’s hard to do unless you … you know, try.

by puddnhead on Jun 22, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they’re trying to say that not getting Favre wouldn’t mean we weren’t trying, just that the front office would think going a different route at QB would give us a better chance, at least in the long run. They’re still trying.

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 22, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clearly they are already trying. Every team is. But you can’t have a 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 chance Favre or no Favre, as you say, and then have a 0 in 10 shot for not trying. Everyone is already trying so no need for it and, as you put it, Favre doesn’t increase our chance to get to the Super Bowl, so why spend the time, money, and pain to bring him in?

by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 23, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stage Four

And I think the only way I’ll ever get to Stage Five is if the Vikings win the Super Bowl with him.

by ericj69 on Jun 22, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Saw this coming...

I think it is easier to recognize this from the outside. In fact, I predicted your loose metaphor when I linked to an earlier article you wrote in my blog here. For those of you still wallowing in denial, just remember, it’s ok to take football seriously as long as you are having fun. It’s always been fun for me to be a fan of Favre, just like for most of you it has always been fun to hate him, but now its all moot because hating Favre doesn’t make you a better Vikings fan anymore. It looks like its your year this year, so enjoy every minute of it. In the meantime, I’ll deal with my own denial and keep shouting it until it finally makes sense, “Go Rodgers!”

by rhyaxeau on Jun 22, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

lol! now that is fun!

by iseepurplepeople on Jun 22, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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