Vikings interested in Marvin Harrison?
by ericj69 on Jun 25, 2009 12:54 PM CDT
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Commenter SippyCup beat me to the punch on this on the FanPosts, but I thought it's intriguing enough to warrant front-page speculation. There's news from the Pioneer Press' Charley Walters that The Purple are interested in signing Marvin Harrison to a "one-year, low-end" deal.
Who knows how Walters came about this "buzz" and how much validity there is to the story. But of course, after the past couple months, I think we're all used to stories that have equal chances of being valid or complete BS.
Let's be daring here and assume there is some truth wading through this news blurb. If we don't have to break the bank for a chance to see what one of the best receivers in the history of the NFL has left in the tank, I see no downside to pursuing it. If Harrison flops, then we wasted a couple mil, but at least our young WR corps got to learn from one of the best. If he excels, he adds more more crucial piece to a team that could be thisclose to a championship. Our neighbors at Stampede Blue think the addition of Harrison would basically secure the Vikings a spot in Miami next year.
Plus, we'd be able to witness history--he and Favre could be the first pair of senior citizens to connect on a touchdown pass! Free Early Bird Specials for everyone!
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I suppose it could be worse, like signing a washed-up quarterback.
I’m sorry, I just can’t help it anymore.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 25, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey buck up Farva.
Harrison would most likely come at a fraction of the cost of Farvre. And Harrison would be much easier on our gag reflexes every time we saw him in a Vikings jersey.
by ericj69 on Jun 25, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by VikesFaninNM on Jun 27, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously.
You so much despise the subject of signing BF, that you need to bring him up even in posts that aren’t about that.
by puddnhead on Jun 25, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree puddnhead
I think its gotten to the point of an obsession with him. That’s all he wants to talk about any more. It’s getting a little old. Not because the subject, but when you repeat youself consistanty 100’s of times it gets ridiculous.
by dsludo on Jun 26, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think newmexvike is right
If this is what it takes for him to get it out of his system, so be it. If he can flush it all out by the start of training camp then its tolerable. As long as it doesn’t keep going past that.
There are many valid reasons to be uncomfortable with this. But to portray those doubts as certainties is kinda … irrational. As I’ve been trying to point out the last couples weeks, Favre has had a LOT of really good games in the last couple years. Last year as well as 07. The knock on him is that he fizzles at the end. But the thing I can’t seem to get people like Farva to wrap their head around, is that both years Favre was forced to carry each offense on his arm, due to anemic run games. So yeah huge #s of attempts wear him out. But Vikings have the perfect situation where he can avoid that problem.
Even Favre realizes that, which is why he wants in only here. I keep telling people like Farva: do you realize that Favre will be the only Viking that is indisputably one by choice, it won’t be because he was drafted or got the highest FA $ offer here? You’d think that’d endear him to fans, not make him reprehensible. He’s said he isn’t even talking to anyone else. He didn’t want to be a Jet; he wasn’t even returnding their calls before the trade, he only went there because GB forced it by trading the contract.
by puddnhead on Jun 26, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But to portray those doubts as certainties is kinda...
dead on Puddn.
by newmexvike on Jun 26, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“The knock on him is that he fizzles at the end. But the thing I can’t seem to get people like Farva to wrap their head around, is that both years Favre was forced to carry each offense on his arm, due to anemic run games”
Last year the Jets were 9th in Rushing which is hardly anemic and in 2007, GB was 21st. Not top rushing attack, but still averaged 100 yrds and a TD/game while having a top ten yard/rush average, so not anemic by any means. Favre wasn’t forced to carry those teams, its what he wants to do. Favre wasn’t putting up huge attempts to cover the run game, he was doing it because he likes to throw the ball. Have you even considered what his stat line would look like if he took less attempts? Earlier in the process of bringing Favre to the Vikings I posted those stats calculated using the # of passing attempts the Vikings threw last year (452) and keeping Brett’s comp %, yards/comp, TD/comp, and INT/comp you get this: 297/452 3006 yards, 19TDs,19INTs. While he completed 30 more passes due to his comp %, it was only for 50 more yards. On top of that, he would throw 3 less TDs and 2 more INTs based off his season stats from last year. None of that would improve the Vikings over last year.
Who cares if he wants to be here by choice? Jeff George wants to be here by choice and no one is opening their arms for him. Hell, I bet there are a lot of players out there who would choose to be on a team different from the one they are on or in Favre’s case, not on. And I got more news, any FA that signs anywhere is going where they want to go regardless of the reason why its where they want to go. The only difference between normal FA and Favre is that no one else really wants him. You think if the Lions had started after Favre once he “retired” from the Jets and no one else that he wouldn’t be talking about wanting to be there and how he gets to play the pack twice with Calvin Johnson, Kevin Smith, and their new look D? Think he would talk about how much he loves the coaches after what they did to resurrect Kerry Collins last year before coming to Detroit? Please. He isn’t talking to any one else because no one else wants him.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 26, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I give up.
Brett Favre sucks, no one else would touch him with 10 foot pole, we will have the worst starting QB in the league.
by puddnhead on Jun 26, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give up so quick hyperbole ;) The point is that the Vikings are already a playoff team. They need someone to help get them to a level beyond just getting in. This past year, this past decade in the playoffs, his age, and his recent surgery leads me and others to believe that he won’t be that guy. Knock Farva for his obsession all you want, but you’re never far behind to talk about how much you like the guy and how he is going to be the last triangle to the Triforce. Your obsession runs just as deep and if you are going to tout a side of a polarizing argument, be ready for people to contest what you put out there. Hypothetical: Vikings announce they don’t want Favre and there will be no contract. Favre says he can still play if someone gives him a chance. Who is the next team to step up and how quickly do they do it if any?
by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 27, 2009 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Vikings announce they don't want Favre
expect one hell of a PR newstorm, and things to be enven worse for TJack and Rosenfels than it already it. Because it’s obvious there was an agreement in place that they would take him if his arm healed, and it is obvious that Favre had his surgery (which he would otherwise not have bothered with) only because of that understanding. Eventually it comes out, and from that point, any time the QB (whoever it is) for the Vikings stumbles, all the “coulda beens” start. In other words, Vikings are all in baby, they turn back now and they have a serious problem. Ziblud had a story on that very point (in context of owner).
As to the rest, I already threw int he towel. Only time will tell, not me. Time will tell.
by puddnhead on Jun 27, 2009 6:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slow down, Its a hypothetical question that you didn’t even answer. I know that Favre is coming in and don’t think they are going to pull the contract, I was asking who else out there actually wants Favre. I was expecting answers like say, the 49ers because X. Not about any PR storm or what you think it would mean for the QBs currently under contract.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 27, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine I will answer your hypotnetical
You give a list of all the other teams that appear to have all the pieces of the puzzle to go all the way EXCEPT the QB, and I will tell you why each one is not interested in Faver for his last 1-2 years to try to get over the top.
by puddnhead on Jun 28, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to continue to avoid the question. I asked you who would be interested in Favre and now I have to come up with the teams for you? You’re the one making the assertion that Favre could play anywhere, but only wants to play for the Vikings, so you should be the one to prove your own writing.
There are plenty of teams that have good offensive weapons and a good D, but need better QB play that would be just as good situations if not better. I mentioned the 49ers, just look at them. Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Issac Bruce, and Frank Gore could be huge weapons even with Shaun Hill or Alex Smith at QB, the defense was 13th overall which isn’t too shabby, they were 7-9 in a division where 9-7 won, and cleary are interested in upgrading the QB with talks of Vick. They even play the Packers in Green Bay this year, so Favre could still get his “revenge”. They are also $30 mil under the cap so they can afford to pay as much if not more than most teams. If that isn’t a situation for an aging QB I don’t know what is. I can think fo several of teams in this same situation including Sage’s old team. If Favre can help Jackson as he sits, why not Schaub?
by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 29, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the h#ll would Favre want to play for the 49ers
… even if they did want him … if the Vikings want him?
I don’t know why this is so hard for you to understand. It’s now clear that Favre has wanted to play for the Vikings as early as Feb, and they showed they would take him. So why look at anyone else. Favre has made clear that he isn’t interested in anyone else. Others may or may not have contacted him, we will never know. WHy on earth do you expect to ever know this, what possible motivation would other teams have to publicly state “we want Favre but he isn’t interested in us”
Why is it so radical an idea that Favre is interested more in playign for a good team that could get him another ring, and for coaches he knows, running a system he is familiar with, instead of looking to just sign for wherever the most money is? Jeez man, if it was about the money, he would have taken the packers $20m last year!
Finally, I don’t want to get too far off topic here, but you are misreading the 49er situation. They need to play alex smith this year, and find out once and for all if he can get it together, before his contract runs out.
pp.s The TEXANS wanting Favre? Are you nuts? Schaub was on a 4,500 yard pace last year before he got hurt! My god man, the fact we signed the guy to be our probable starter they chose to NOT should tell you this is NOT the same QB situation there that Vikings have.
Again, you are not understanding, 49ers have two young guys as their probable starter that still appear to maybe have upside, which at least needs to be explored. We have a 31 year old career backup with worse INT numbers than Favre, and whom wone of thse teams let get away, as our probable starter.
by puddnhead on Jun 30, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith
Just signed a contract extension if memory serves me correctly
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jun 30, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe I understand just fine. You are the one having trouble with “hypotheical”. The question was “If the Vikings say they don’t want Farve…”
The two “young” QBs you are referring to are the 30 year old (pretty old for the NFL) Shaun Hill who has been in the league for 8 years and never been a full time starter and Alex Smith, who has been the definition of 1st round QB busts the past few years. A contract extension for him only means they think he can develop more, not because they think he will be their starter that next 10 years as he took a huge pay cut and its only for a couple of years. Sounds like they could use a aging, previously successful QB to help him out. The only reason I even brought up the money was to show that they could sign if this hypothetical went through. Never said anything about it being about the money. San Fran has great young offensive talent and a pretty good defense (13th overall last season) in a weak division. If Farve could do it for the Vikings, why couldn’t he there?
Funny that you say they need Alex Smith to play to see if they need to give him a contract extension {even though they already signed him to one. Who is misleading the QB situation now ;) } yet somehow the Vikings don’t need to do that with Jackson? Who has out played Alex Smith to this point in their young careers:
Comp – Att – Comp% – Yards – Yrds/att – TD – INT
Jackson 306 - 524 – 58.4 – 3,442 – 6.6 – 20 – 18
Smith 435 – 800 – 54.4 – 4,679 – 5.8 – 19 – 31
Still looking for where you got Texans from. I never mentioned them and my “find” function can’t seem to find them mentioned anywhere else on this page.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jul 1, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
>>Vikings announce they don’t want Favre and there will be no contract.
So what kind of odds are you requiring to wager on this? Come on man, be real. At this point, it’s fairly clear it’s going to happen. So the question now becomes, “How good is it going to be?”
I would suspect that some people (I’m not pointing directly at Farva, but he’s in that direction) feel this WILL flop. That is pretty much an insult to the rest of the team. The Vikings have a chance with any of their top 3 QBs (assuming Farve). If Favre were on the roster (which he will be), I would say he’s the best of the three. So the Vikings are doing the right thing by getting him.
I like Sage’s potential with the Vikes too. I’m more excited about him than anything they’ve had in a while. And I think Tavaris could be a great QB at some point, but it’s obvious he’s not completely ready to handle the pressure. Sage could easily be good enough to take the Vikes to the Superbowl.
So, if not Favre, then who do you advocate? Because as much as I like Sage, if he winds up being like all the other QBs that have been brought in to compete against Tavaris, it’s gonna make it hard for this team to go all the way. I would think that he will outperform most of the .vs Tavaris crowd, but no one has seen him do it yet.
So, if not Favre, then who do you advocate?
by newmexvike on Jun 27, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
The cut and paste was sloppy at the end
by newmexvike on Jun 27, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No odds. That is why I said its a hypothetical" question to see who else you think would be interested in Favre. I am very real, I know Favre is on track to be here. Doesn’t mean I have to think its a good idea. All I did was ask a *hypothetical question and all you can see is “Favre is the worst QB ever? I must jump on this”. You for what ever reason didn’t read the entire thing and just took what was best for you to continue to talk about how much you want Favre to play for the Vikings.
No one has said they think the Vikings will flop. At least I have never read it or said it. Favre at QB can get the Vikings to the playoffs (sure it can happen), but so can Sage and Jackson. So not really an upgrade there. For me, its what is he going to do at the end of the season when the games really matter. His track record the past ten years at the end of the season doesn’t give me as much hope as it does you.
First of all, its going to be “tough to go all the way” no matter who is a QB. Favre doesn’t change this and at this point all the QBs have the same chance to “go all the way” and we won’t know what their chances really are till late in the season. If I had the ear of Vikings management and could advocate a strategy it would be this: Have the QB competition with Jackson and Sage. Assuming they both do as well as most of us think, start the guy with more upside. For arguments sake, lets just say its Jackson. See what he can do this season and there are two outcomes: He plays well, shows he can be valuable to the team and have the potential to “go all the way” with the improving assets on the offense. Or he plays horribly, gets pulled for Sage. Then we can see what Sage can do as the starter and whether or not to go forward with him. Regardless if they go forward with Sage, next year the Vikings won’t have a lot of needs through the draft and can make a move to get one of the good QBs to come out next year in the first round to grow with the young core on offense. This strategy will probably happen eventually anyways, just depends on how long Favre actually plays.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 27, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stupid formatting :) just wanted hypothetical highlighted.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 27, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JAckson vs Sage
You know, that sounds like the same strategy the Vikes have gone with for the last few years. Jackson vs another guy. I hope Sage is more than that other guy. But it just sounds too familiar.
I could get behind Sage starting the year and if he flops, switch to Jackson to bail out the season. But starting the year with Tavaris gives me no confidence. I would give Sage the first 6 games to prove himself. I hope he stays around. With Favre being 40, it’s pretty optimistic to think he’ll play all 16 games.
by newmexvike on Jun 27, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make it sound as if having QBs compete for a starting job, especially when trying to develop one into a starter is a bad thing. Though I think in fairness, they didn’t bring in Freotte or Bollinger/Holcomb to compete so much as be the back-up in case shit happens.
Why does Jackson starting give you no confidence? Outside of a punt return in GB and a dropped TD pass against Indy, the Vikings start 2-0. Neither of those plays were Jackson’s fault and as I said before, I don’t care if you start the season slow as long as you finish strong. It’s easy to start strong and catch teams early in the season while teams are still gelling and finding their strengths and another to beat teams down the stretch both at home and away (ex – @ Arizona, vs NY Giants). Personally, I would switch it from how you have it and give Jackson til the first bye week to see if he can be more of a consistent starter and if not, then let Sage show what he can do.
I found your last sentence odd coming from you. You’ve talked at great length about how Favre will take the Vikings deep into the playoffs and throw for 4000 yards, and then you say its optimistic to say he will even finish the regular season. I agree that it is pretty optimistic to think he will play all 16 games, but I that is one of the reason I would rather he not come and play for the Vikings. I guess I am just wondering why if you think its more realistic to think he won’t be able to play a whole season, why you have such high hopes for his play on the Vikings next year?
by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 29, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
>> I guess I am just wondering why if you think its more realistic >>to think he won’t be able to play a whole season, why you >>have such high hopes for his play on the Vikings next year?
First off, I don’t think it’s a lock Favre will get hurt at some point, but 16 games is a long time. Lots of QBs get hurt at some point for 2-4 games. It’s not like every injury is season ending.
Let’s say Favre goes down for weeks 8 thru 12, how much of an impact do you think that would have on the season? This is a damn good team with or without Favre. And I think Sage could do well with this team as well.
Even if Favre gets hurt, his leadership makes the team better. I think he would be a help to the backup from the sidelines. I would rather have him on the field, but either way, the confidence of the QB position is higher with him.
I’m not as high on Favre as I am Favre on the Vikings. It’s a great fit. But if for some reason things didn’t work out, I still think the Vikes are the best team in the division.
The Vikes are even better with Favre though. I picture a really strong start with that soft schedule. I picture a lot of momentum heading into the 2nd half of the season. Maybe they win am extra game or two because of it. Then the playoffs and anything can happen in the playoffs.
by newmexvike on Jun 30, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s not going to miss a game. he has never missed a game. even when he should have.
by iseepurplepeople on Jun 30, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, I read that he regretted playing the end of last year and that he would not do it again. Sorry I don’t remember the source, for what it’s worth. With Chillys ass on the line, I think he would be pulled if it happened again.
by newmexvike on Jun 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you really think chili has the cajones to be the one to end the streak?
seriously do you?
by iseepurplepeople on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be the smart thing to do, a good way to show Favre who really runs the team, and keep past Viking great, Jim Marshall, who gave a hugely successful career to the Vikings, in front on this one. The later would be a populous move, and Chilly isn’t exactly swimming in fan’s adulation right now.
by DCPurple on Jul 1, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this season tanks, Chilly will be gone. He would have no choice.
by newmexvike on Jul 1, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mangini didn’t do it even though it cost him his job.
granted we would have better backups but still. i don’t think chili will stand up to favre if it came down to it.
by iseepurplepeople on Jul 1, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
>>granted we would have better backup
you stole my comeback.
by newmexvike on Jul 1, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After each win...
They could go celebrate at Country Kitchen, then retire for the night at seven o’clock. Awww, aren’t they adorable?
Ha ha, old players.
Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Jun 25, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
New Cause to Root for Favre
Just because he’s old…. no other reason is necessary. For him, every time he steps out on the field is a victory over the kids, every win is a smack in the face of youth :)
Quatregenarians Unite! :)
by DCPurple on Jun 26, 2009 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FarvaForTheVikings
as washed up as you “think” BF may be, he did start out 8-3 with a team full of average talent, that he practiced with for 17 days before the season, then got hurt. Having a QB like BF will benefit our time in many more ways than not having him. Sales on almost everything Viking related would go up, we would have prime time games, he would hopefully install leadership into the locker and guide T-Jack into becoming a better QB. I love the idea of having Favre because the idea of him wearing Purple Nov 1st is just too perfect of a moment.
Skol Vikes 4 Life!
by Macdaddy4508 on Jun 25, 2009 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't Bother
I’ll send a pic of my forehead. It has brick marks all over the place because of this guy. When the Vikes win the Super Bowl, I expect to hear him say, “maybe this Favre guy will work out, I’m just not sure”.
Favre makes sense. I like the other QBs well enough, but Favre is EXACTLY the right fit for this team. The fact that he (or anyone with his skills/experience) is available is a total gift. Good QBs are rarely picked up as free agents, especially if they are already proven.
The thing to do with Farva is to sit and wait. At some point one of two things is going to happen:
1. It will become painfully obvious he was wrong (Super Bowl baby!) or
2. He will see the writing on the wall that this is a good thing and he will try to quietly hop on the bandwagon.
And if he does not change his tune before the start of preseason, I will be there to pounce when 1 or 2 happens. So there you go Farva, there is no deadline for Favre, but the is for Farva. I know, life isn’t fair.
by newmexvike on Jun 25, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My post here was mostly a joke, I don’t think he’s completely washed up. This is mostly just an offseason thing to pass the time and have some fun. If it seems like an obsession, well, so be it. You don’t have to respond. (This isn’ a personal attack at you newmexvike, or an attack of any king, just a reply to all the above posts. Your’s just happens to be the one I’m putting it under.)
If anything, I expect that we’ll have a pretty good season no matter who the quarterback is, but I’m definitely not going to jump on the bandwagon. I might become begrudgingly accepting, but I’m not touching that bandwagon.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 26, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just giving you crap about the deadline – I’m sure you knew that.
But seriously, you can’t sit there and talk about how this is going to be such a bad thing and then enjoy it when it turns out to be so. How’s that moniker gonna work for you in week 5?
How people don’t see the potential is beyond me. There are so many reasons why it should make the Vikes stronger at the QB position to have Favre. Even if he gets hurt at some point in the season, which I don’t think is extremely likely, he would still be an asset.
Who has mentored Jackson so far? Favre doesn’t have to hold Jackson’s hand to be a mentor. Jackson and Sage would be in all the meetings and practices with Favre, watching him prepare for games. I think that would be a learning experience for both of them.
Viking fans have gone through many QBs since Culpepper, and many before him for that matter. We’ve seen our share of “potential” in QBs that have turned out to be squat. So as much as I want to see the potential in Jackson and Sage, at this point it’s still unproven. I want the prize in the crackerjack box, but I’d prefer the safer bet. I really think they both could turn out to be successful, but thinking it is all there is to fall back on at this point.
I’m fairly certain of what the Vikes will get with Favre, he’s done it before. I don’t expect him to put up huge #s, but he could. But he’ll manage most games well enough with the help of a great running game. Bare in mind that the running game helped Jackson and Gus last year as well.
Have you noticed how little is being said about the NFL’s leading rusher from last year? I feel like it’s almost symbolic of what’s going to happen when D-coordinators prepare for all the weapon’s on the Vikings offense this year. Having Favre helps this team like Allen helped the D last year. It’s a great complement because it fills a need.
by newmexvike on Jun 26, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just doesn't help Mike
Talk all you want about how a QB who is a legend for his play action & fakes & reading defenses/audibles/adjustments at line of scrimmage and how it complements nicely this run oriented team. There are people who are just gonna see what they want to see, and base all judgment on 4 years ago, or when he was hurt, or when he was forced to throw all the ime because the run game wasn’t working (e.g. that NFC championship game against giants, when the Packers had TWENTY SIX yards rushing, even including overtime!)
I think your previous idea is better, just let them say what they want to say, and then hope it goes away if/when you are proven right.
by puddnhead on Jun 27, 2009 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for stealing my thunder, Eric.
jk
‘And the wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws’.
by SippyCup on Jun 25, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Marv
Howdy Vikes Fans! I thought that I’d give you a Colts fan perspective on Marv.
First of all, he’s an absolutely razor-sharp route running and ball-catcher. He can move like a video game character. But he definately lost a step (or two) last year. I don’t remember him making ANY long catches last year. Plenty, PLENTY, of short, 3rd and 5, 3rd and 8, 4th and 11 catches where he was just beyond the sticks. That is when he is best. Putting himself on the edge of the 1st down marker and making the catch.
The downside, as I said: he lost a step. He’s not as fast, can’t run very far. Although he’s a well-liked guy, he’s notoriously stand-offish, always by himself at the end of the bench, never ever talking to Peyton after a play, never hyping up the other guys on the bench. He doesn’t seem pouty or selfish, more that he’s maybe shy, or just in his own world. So, I doubt he’ll do much to assist the younger receivers on the team.
The other major downside is his reputation for dogging it in the playoffs. For a guy who dominates so well during the regular season, Marv has only 2 or 3 TD’s in the playoffs over his entire career. It’s pretty bizarre, but he’s a bit like LT. He just can’t seem to have anything other than an average game in the playoffs.
by clownsaw on Jun 25, 2009 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“That is when he is best. Putting himself on the edge of the 1st down marker and making the catch”
We need a receiver that does that. It seems like all the Vikings receivers go out on every play with no clue as to where they are on the field or what down it is. I can’t tell you how many times a Vikings receiver caught the ball two yards shot of the marker on third down….
‘And the wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws’.
by SippyCup on Jun 25, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you should be happy if you get Marv. He’s definitely not the same guy he once was, but I imagine there is still quite a bit left in the tank.
by clownsaw on Jun 25, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short Receptions
That crap drives me nuts, Sippy. How hard is it to make sure you’re past the 1st down marker?! ARGH!
I fully agree, if Harrison brings that, he’d be a huge help as a mentor… But who goes to make room for him on the roster…?
by DCPurple on Jun 26, 2009 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My view on Marv
He hasn’t been the same player since week 5, 2007 when he was blocking and Addai got tackled into Marvin’s leg from behind. Everything looked about the same, but he wasn’t close to as productive. It was just all around decline. Catch% down, YPR down, YAC down, totals way down.
He hasn’t been HOFer Marvin for almost 2 years now. I don’t even see him as fitting into a specialist role all that well since the decline was in all categories. He didn’t get slow, but he got slower. He didn’t forget how to catch, but he wasn’t surehanded. He still runs good routes, but it doesn’t generate as much separation.
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by shake n bake on Jun 25, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and for the record
I don’t think Favre would be much of any help. He wasn’t anything special through the first 11 games (basically a turnover prone dink and dunker) then he totally collapsed over the last 5 games (which he blamed on injury after the season).
I think you see if Tarvaris’ run at the end of the season was a sign of him getting it together or just a fluke in a small sample, and if it turns out to be option B you have a competent if not great QB in Rosenfels to take over.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
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by shake n bake on Jun 25, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
>>He wasn’t anything special through the first 11 games (basically a turnover prone dink and dunker)
That might be the dumbest thing I’ve read all day. Your opinion is worthless on all matters going forward.
Just kidding, but that really does sound dumb.
by newmexvike on Jun 25, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10.3 Yards per completion with over a pick a game and 9 fumbles
That’s a lot of turnovers and a yard less yards per completion than Chad Pennington (who’s picture is in the dictionary next to noodle-armed dink and dunker).
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And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 25, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre thru week 12:
TDs: 20
INTs: 13
QB Rating: 94.5
Comp%: 70.8
Pass yards per game: 223.7
Fumles: 9
Fumbles lost: 2
Pulled from NFL.com.
by newmexvike on Jun 25, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the stats
Don’t forget to mention that Brady’s December stats for last year did not force the Patriots to conclude that they should get rid of Brady so that Cassell could start.
by Elgar on Jun 25, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a big stat guy either. I just don’t like it when someone grabs stats they need to prove a point and throw out the ones that disprove their point.
The point is Favre played well through 11 games last year. I remember several of the NFL shows doing covers on what a great season Favre and the Jets were having.
by newmexvike on Jun 25, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pointed out below why Comp% and QB Rating aren't great indicators
The stats I cited were the evidence that he was turnover prone and throwing much shorter than usual passes.
YPC and number of turnovers are what you’d use to look at those features. QB Rating and Comp% are not.
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And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 25, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tarvaris Jackson 2008 QB Rating 95.4
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by shake n bake on Jun 25, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and David Carr led the league in comp%
in 2006, neither of those are great indicators of a QBs overall performance.
both comp% and QB Rating (because it’s heavily based on comp%) love dink and dunkers, and don’t consider how deep the QB throws, at all of comp%, and not much for QB Rating since it uses yards/attempt instead of per completion.
FO’s DVOA or if you don’t like the black box element ANY/A (adjusted net yards per attempt) are better. ANY/A is a much better stat than QB Rating because it includes more, has a calculation that makes sense and give a result that means something rather than a arbitrary rating number.
ANY/A tells you how many yards per pass play a Quartback gets his team. It’s Passing Yards minus 45 yards per interception minus sack yards, plus 10 yards per touchdown, all that divided by dropbacks (pass attempts plus sacks)
by comparison, QB Rating
First one takes a quarterback’s completion percentage, then subtracts 0.3 from this number and divides by 0.2. You then take yards per attempts subtract 3 and divide by 4. After that, you divide touchdowns per attempt by .05. For interceptions per attempt, you start with .095, subtract from this number interceptions per attempt, and then divided this result by .04. To get the quarterback rating, you add the values created from your first four steps, multiply this sum by 100, and divide the result by 6. Oh, and by the way, the sum from each of your first four steps cannot exceed 2.375 or be less than zero.
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And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 25, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Marino Had Good Stats Too
but where’s the ring? Favre’s stats fell off when his arm did. Now they’ve superglued it back on.
Besides, I thought this thread was about Harrison.
by Elgar on Jun 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I now feel much better
That superglue works real well.
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
by Gonzo2 on Jun 25, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does the Marino comment have anything to do with this discussion?
if stats don’t mean anything Favre’s good stats over the first 11 games don’t mean anything. I guess that’s just your knee jerk reaction to anything too complex statistically.
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by shake n bake on Jun 25, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize he was a dark horse candidate for MVP last two years around week 11, right?
It wasn’t just sentimentality, it was based on performance. Like I posted on the other threads – go to tenyardtorrents and grab the Cardinals, Patriots II, and TItans games, and then come back and tell me if he did “nothing special.”
by puddnhead on Jun 26, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was sentimentality, name recognition and his team doing better than expected (because the run defense, OL and running game greatly improved)
My arguments have been about his performance, so being an “MVP darkhorse” week 11 doesn’t mean anything. If you want to argue his performance, talk about his performance.
And I didn’t say he didn’t have any good games, but on the whole, over the first 11 games (giving him the benefit of cutting out 5 of his 6 worst games of the season) his overall production was thoroughly mediocre. He had a great comp% which gave him a great QB Rating because he was throwing the 2nd shortest passes in the league (only the Bengals QBs had lower Y/Comp) and even throwing the dinks and dunks he was turning the ball at a high rate 13 INTs in the first 11 games.
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And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 26, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by timmy_ on Jun 25, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm for it.
I mean, It won’t break the bank and even if he is old, a WR lineup of Harrison, Berrian, Harvin, Wade/Rice is really solid. He might not be fast anymore but he still has greatd hands, we won’t need him to be a barn burner. Anything to make the passing game more of a threat to take pressure off AD, I am for it.
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by Roland86 on Jun 25, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess I’m starting to like Colts fans a little more.
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
by Gonzo2 on Jun 25, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As Far As I Know, Troy is Still in Jacksonville, Challenging Chilly to a Duel
Favre has a piece of the puzzle the Vikings have not yet shown that they have: the experience of correctly using all the weapons in a West Coast offense to do the most damage to your opponent.
I didn’t hear Charles Tillman say Berrian was too slow as he ran after him the length of the field last year.
No one is saying Harvin can’t cut on a dime.
Wade is a good possession receiver.
Rice’s leg injury seemed to keep him in a sophomore slump, but he’s still a good red zone weapon.
So, I’m going with the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” school on Harrison.
I also don’t see Harrison returning punts or kickoffs, and someone is going to need to do that.
by Elgar on Jun 25, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I am with you. The Vikings have pretty good depth at WR now and after last year and his age, why bring Harrison in? I get that he is a name and been a great producer, but he doesn’t add anything to what the Vikings already have. Use that money to re-sign Winfield and extend a few others.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 25, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point regarding Winfield. There are limited roster spots and limited funds, even if cap space is no longer a factor.
by Elgar on Jun 25, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison will put butts in seats...
I hate to say it, but is this Senior tour more about selling tickets??
by ctowner35 on Jun 26, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he has been good and all, but when I look at the team match-ups, Harrison isn’t a guy that makes me jump up and want to buy a ticket. He isn’t dynamic or an entertainer like Moss or a WR like TO and at best gets a couple of good plays in. I can understand this more for Favre, but not Harrison. And never get it twisted, outside of a SB, its always about selling stuff.
by vikingfuture8816 on Jun 26, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, too.
Adding Harrison would mean cutting one or two of the following: Wade, Allison, or Jaymar Johnson, who’s really been putting fuel on the fire, as I understand. We’ll probably have to cut one of those, as we probably won’t carry 6 WRs on the active roster. But adding a one-year player on the definite downside of his career to (and I never thought I’d say this) a deep WR corps (not “WR core,” mind you) means that in 2010, we’ll be short one more promising young wide-out. We’ll already have to do some roster-magic to keep JDB on the bottom of depth-chart, once we add Farve to the top.
by virginia viking on Jun 25, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mentoring
The Vikings have a lot of young WRs who could benefit from training with, and watching Harrison up close. As for who could go, we could start with Allison who has never seemed to catch fire, despite the promise.
The front office said, a few months back, that they planned to carry 4 QBs; they could do that and keep JDB, although I really can’t for the life of me think of a single reason for why JDB should stay in the NFL, other than trusting the Viking coaches that he’s show some secret ability that the public has yet to witness.
by DCPurple on Jun 26, 2009 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mentor Marv
It would have to be by example because Marvin was never the talkative type. There was a story on Reggie Wayne a while back and he thought Marvin hated him for Wayne’s first year on the team because Marv never talked to him. Finally he stepped back and realized that Marvin didn’t really talk to anyone on the team. He started approaching Marvin for help and he would help Wayne, but Marvin isn’t a coach on the field type who will offer tips and set guys in line.
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And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 26, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have the $Money
or the roster space for M.Harrison.
by chaosg on Jun 25, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What makes you say that?
i agree that we don’t have the roster space. But the Vikings have plenty of cap
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jun 25, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry for the late response.
I think Harrison wants $4+mil to play this year. I know the Colts offered him $2mil, and he turned them down.
I believe the Vikings are just shy of $17mil in cap-room. Brett Favre will cost $10-15 mil, and they still have to pay this years draft…..Plus IDK what the Vikes are going to do about the Winfield contract?
by chaosg on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did Klarley get this buzz?
I mentioned it in the Favre at Tria post, but the info about Marvin Harrison was posted by someone on an ESPN message board a few days ago. Klarley apparently scooped up what an anonymous poster mentioned and turned it into some fluff for his article.
That’s too bad, because if Shooter is mentioning it, odds are there’s no truth to it whatsoever.
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by vikesully on Jun 26, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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