Who will go? Jackson or Booty?
When it is made offical that Brett Favre is a Viking, Who will go? I think they should keep Booty and trade Jackson. T.Jack has more trade value. I really think Booty will be a good fit for the Vikings sometime down the line.
T.Jack is not the answer, It has been 3 years and so far has not proven anything. The only thing he does well is get called for intentional grounding.. Maybe its just me, I dont know..
In a Quarterbacks mind it suppose to be pass first.. then run..and at last resort throw the ball out of bounce. In T.Jacks mind his first thing is to run the ball then pass, which will never work.
What do you guys think?
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I would have to say T-Jack should be the first out. Like I stated, this is strictly based on my opinion of him as a player. I just cant see him as a guy who will ever be able to fully understand the WC style offense, whereas Booty has a “general” understanding coming from USC.
If it comes down to it, though, we all know which one will be out the door. T-Jack is NOT the answer in Minnesota. He is a project QB at best, but unfortunately, we havent had a decent QB in front of him to work with him.
by WFOJesse10 on Jun 30, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boot the Booty
What has Booty even demonstrated in an NFL game that indicate that he should be permitted to touch the football?
Other than hogging up a low jersey number, of course.
Answer: Nothing. In fact, the opposite. He’s demonstrated that he’s out of his depth, that he’s scared spitless, dazed and confused. Honestly. Sum total of what he’s done in any NFL game to date.
Let’s see, what’s Jackson done….
1) He’s shown consistent improvement every year.
2) He’s won NFL football games.
3) He’s competed passes, something Booty has never achieved in an NFL game.
4) He led the Vikings to the NFC North championship last year when Gus’s ability was failing and he got injured. Or maybe you don’t remember that we could have lost it to the Bears?
5) He posted a 95.4 QB rating last year. Booty’s rating was… hrmmm… 0.0
So yes, if opinion drives the decision, then by all means, boot Jackson and keep Booty, because opinions can often be wrong….
But if facts drive the decision, then the question answers itself.
by DCPurple on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
We can’t give up on T-Jack right now.
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
by Gonzo2 on Jun 30, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU!
Finally, someone else has seen that TJack is not a bust. Great stats by the way. I think his overall record as a starter is around 16-8 (or close to that) which is well over .500. On this issue, I have to wonder: what if TJack had gotten a chance to play the entire season instead of coming in with what, 3 or 4 games left then BAM, Philidelphia in the playoffs? If he had that experience and confidence, I believe he would have performed much better against an unreal Philly defense. Don’t forget, McNabb shredded us in that game, but remember when he (McNabb)first became a starter in the NFL? He did not have the record TJ has after the same number of starts, but he was given the FULL confidence of his coaching staff and was allowed to progress and learn on the field. He also didn’t have to worry about the hand on his back and wonder if it was there to give him an encouraging pat or yank his ass out.
So yeah, bye bye Booty, who only had a slightly above average college career even though he was the most talented team in Division 1. And he looked like crap in pre-season. Even if Favre plays this year, TJ all the way in 2010!
by TheChadK on Jul 15, 2009 4:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we already cut Booty
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by thewild_viking_twins on Jun 30, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep T-JACK
1. Childress would be turning his back on what he has been relying on in the last three years, if T-jack goes.
2. I don’t know if the preseason matters that much, but Booty’s effort was piss poor at best in those games.
3. Tavaris wins, he may not be the answer now but has potential to be a decent system quarterback for the future.
4. JDB wasn’t even that good at USC, that’s why he was drafted in the 6th round. Let’s look at the last couple USC qbs to thrive in the league. Palmer has failed to meet expectations due to injuries, Leinart doesn’t even start, and Cassel who has only played one season as a starter and could be a fluke.
LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!
by alldayson28 on Jun 30, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
If I told you that Jackson would have a better start in the NFL than Matt Leinart, would you believe me?
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
by Gonzo2 on Jun 30, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the?
Palmer has failed to meet expectations? He was the 3rd best QB in the world until he got injured last year… And will likely be back to that level this year.
Leinart is sitting behind a great QB named Kurt Warner, and Cassel may or may not be a fluke. We’ll find out this year.
I can’t believe people are judging JDB on last year’s preseason. That means nothing. T-Jack looked like a MVP in last year’s preseason. And then got benched the 3rd game of the year. Granted, I think he played well the last 4 games of the year. But obviously the preseason isn’t something you can really take seriously.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Jun 30, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
And when was JDB put in? Way at the end with a bunch of guys not in sinc with each other and a bunch of defensive wannabees flying all over trying to make their team amking our young offensive wannbees looking lost. At least Colt Brennon was given decent players around him when Washington put him in the game. Wish we could get our hands on him, but I want to see booty in there for a few series with a serious offencive line and at least one good vet reciever before I pass any ending judgement on him.
by CitrusFLViking on Jun 30, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judging Booty
Now, I consider myself to be an excellent judge of booty :)
But if you think it isn’t fair to judge Booty on his preseason disaster…. just what are you judging him on? Because there’s absolutely NOTHING else to judge him by. If that means nothing, then Booty is worth less than nothing and should have been sent home in disgrace long ago.
by DCPurple on Jul 2, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey DCpurple
When BOOTY is worth lss than nothing. . .I’l buy 1000 shares please have them all washed and sent to me at my beach house. lol and I mean LOTS OF LOVE!
by davis0169 on Jul 2, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it were up to me....
…Favre would stay at home and we’d stick with the original plan of having TJ and Sage battle it out, but it isn’t so I’d have to say get rid of Booty. Tarvaris has shown improvement and we’ve invested a lot in him. I doubt the plan was to have TJ start so soon coming out of a small school and all, but after Pep went down and Chili failed to get a REAL starting QB TJ was our best option. He probably would have been better off sitting behind a vet who would teach him, but we really didn’t have anyone better. I haven’t completely lost faith in Jackson and think he’s the best QB on our roster.
by KC612 on Jun 30, 2009 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
T-JOKE must go
He’s a terrible quarterback. He’s been given ample opportunity to show what he has and has consistently failed. All of the idiots that claim he has a future in the NFL are delusional. The guy flat out sucks. He cannot read defenses and never sees the open receiver. And please, no “he’s young and has potential” comments. Three years is a long time. I hope my last memory of his stupid ass is Asante Samuel celebrating in the end zone after T-Joke gift wrapped a playoff TD for Philly in a game that we clearly could have one.
It is too early to tell on what we have in JDB. He hasn’t had the opportunity that Turdvaris has, so we can’t dismiss him just yet. Hey may suck, he may be good, we just won’t know until he plays.
My opinion is that we will be a Super Bowl contender with Brett Favre. If Brett somehow doesn’t sign with us, then I’m sure Childress will give the nod to Sage Rosenfels. He will be a huge improvement to our QB position because T-Joke cannot play QB. I was actually really excited when we picked up Sage. He’s taken some criticism for his play last season but he actually played well in a pass-first offense. He will be very good in our offense.
We have a loaded team and we really are ready to make a Super Bowl run. We don’t need spectacular play from the QB, we just need competency. Something T-JOKE simply doesn’t have.
by alx420 on Jun 30, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No need to name call....
….we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
by KC612 on Jun 30, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some like to exaggerate
and thats okay. But to insult someone based on your exaggerations is pathetic. First off, Jackson can read defenses. He’s had very good games just managing the offense. What I believe he hasn’t done is doing it consistently. It doesnt mean he can’t read the defense, he just hasn’t done it week in and week out. It comes in spurts. He’s also failed to run the 2 minute game very well. Its tough though, to only throw the ball 7 to 10 times in the half and get to the 2 minute mark and end up throwing it that many times in a row.
He’s come a long way from year one to year 4. After his performance at the end of last year you have to give the man a shot. He might not start, but you’ll have a determined QB waiting in the wings that has alot to prove.
I think booty is the man to go. We need as much experience at the QB as possible for our run in 09’. Especially with the huge question mark in Favres arm and how well Rosenfels really is, being a back-up for his whole career. Worst case scenario Favre goes down, Rosenfels plays what he’s shown as normal play and doesn’t produce much, then we have to hand the season over to Booty who has no playing experience or anything to build from. No, i’d rather have Jackson, who we know has improved and he has won us games and has played in a play-off environment.
SKOL
by PurpleJesuZ on Jun 30, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the hate!
Reread your own entry and think of our team. You say Sage played well in a pass-first offense. Do you know haw long its been since we were a pass-first offense.
Secondly T-jax not only beat out JDB in the preseason but also Gus, then he got injured. Gus and JDB had two games left to show something and they didn’t. Chilly had to start the season with T-jax eventhough he was coming off an injury.
Finally he was pulled after the second game, but in my opinion when a QB throughs a good ball and the receiver drops a TD pass that hits him right in the hands you can’t blame the QB. T-jax to Shainco in the endzone he dropped it. Maybe if he held on we would have beaten Indy and this would be a useless topic.
by midnightwonder on Jul 3, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, keep 4 QB's...
I think that the Vikes either keep 4 QB’s or Booty gets “injured” in training camp… Maybe they cut off his pinky toe or something, I don’t know… Some teams carry a kickoff specialist that takes up a roster spot, why wouldn’t we carry 4 QB’s, especially when we know that this is a BF Swan Song???
by ctowner35 on Jun 30, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe later in the season...
We move Booty to the practice squad after rosters have been finalized… Or we teach JDB to play special teams…
by ctowner35 on Jun 30, 2009 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Booty
He may be untested though Tampa Bay, Washington, Oakland, and Denver do not have as good of a starter and Chicago, Cincinnati, New England, and Cleveland do not have as good of a #2.
by tkiller314 on Jun 30, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone would trade for him.
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by Manimal on Jun 30, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you never know
I’m pretty sure there’s a terrible GM out there (unfortunately Matt Millen got fired) who can be convinced that because Matt Cassel did so well Booty will be great too. And if Matt Sanchez takes off, the “USC QB” cachet would be enough by itself for a 3rd or 4th round pick
by SammyG on Jun 30, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Thoughts
I just was going to research this though you provided all of the good facts.
by tkiller314 on Jun 30, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Booty for a 3rd or 4th rounder because of Mark Sanchez?
You’re fooling yourself. Because another person plays well you’d trade for a different guy? No one was giving Cassel a second thought until Brady went down. The only reason he went for so little to the Chiefs was because Billy Boy in New England is a mad scientist. Unless Booty plays absolutely lights out in some relief (not pre-season) after two or three QBs go down, there’s no way ANYONE trades for him.
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by Manimal on Jul 1, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I still don’t understand how you can say that someone who was supposed to be a three to four year prospect at minimum is not going to succeed after only his third year.
You people must not follow football very much.
by Bjorno on Jun 30, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We mostly all follow...
But you have to face the facts; so far, some of the fans are not very happy with Tarvaris’ production. You also have to take into account the money aspect. Tarvaris is on his last year of his rookie contract; that has got to be taken into consideration. There’s also the whole aspect of Childress and the coaches working with him for these past three years, and you know what? Maybe they don’t see what they thought. Just because someone is labeled a three-to-four year project does not mean that they will automatically “get it” after the third or fourth year. It might not happen.
I don’t think there’s any way the Vikings get rid of him, but I hope Booty can make it to the practice squad at least.
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by Manimal on Jun 30, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know full well that he may never “get it”, I personally am prepared to take the lumps that would be associated with finding out if he will. That will likely include him losing a few winnable games for us. But we can’t give up on him yet.
People need to give the guy the time we expected him to need with a year buffer before we decide that he will never be able to be an NFL QB. That does not mean put all our eggs in his basket, but we can’t be digging out all the fake green grass in search of the last few jellybeans.
That was a weird analogy, but I already went with the basket thing and that is all I could come up with.
by Bjorno on Jun 30, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
>>That does not mean put all our eggs in his basket
I’m gonna hang on to my eggs for now.
by newmexvike on Jul 1, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are funny!
Half of the posts want to hang Jackson for “gift wrapping” a TD to the Eagles last year and in the same breathe are all over FAVRE who seems to have been doing the same thing since his back-to-back superbowl run about 10 years ago. So how do you castrate 1 guy who is only going into his 4th year but don’t seem to care about a guy who has done the exact same thing for the last so many years of his tarnishing career? Can you guys explain this to me?
by davis0169 on Jun 30, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
First off, the idea that someone would trade for Jackson or Booty is crazy. Neither has any value to other teams worthy of a trade. If they wanted either, they would probably wait until they cleared waivers for that matter. Most teams are looking to cut a QB this time of year, not add one.
I would say cut Booty. He did not look good in the pre-season, against backups. If he had any serious potential, you would think he would at least be a #2 by now.
Jackson is not ready to play this year. I don’t think his play was great at the end of last year, just not bad. I would hope though that given some time, he might improve the mental part of his game. He has great skills, when there is little pressure.
Sage needs to be the #2 this year. He deserves a chance to prove himself.
by newmexvike on Jun 30, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson Sucks!
I don’t understand what the hell is wrong with some of you people. T-JOKE is not only not a starting QB in the NFL, he may also not be in the top 50. Most backup quarterbacks are better than he is. As a matter of fact, I dare someone to name me one starting QB that Turdvaris is better than. Just one. ANYBODY?!?!?! If he starts, he is the absolute worst starter in the NFL – plain and simple.
Some of you people are retartded.
“After his performance at the end of last year you have to give the man a shot.” Are you kidding me? You mean the 45.4 passer rating he posted up AT HOME in the biggest game of the year? Is that the “performance” you are talking about? That comment is almost as stupid as BJORNO’s comment. “You people must not follow football very much.” I guess 3 years of development is still not enough time for Bjorno and his football acumen. Not enough game tape available, eh? What about Davis 0169? He actually has the balls to compare T-JOKE to Brett Favre – now THAT is funny…
by alx420 on Jun 30, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol.
LSU Tigers Baseball... NCAA National Champions- 2009.
by Dane Noble on Jun 30, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALX420
do you remember what Steve Youngs stats were when he was a Tampa Bay Buck? He was horrible as well. In Jacksons Defence last year was his first playoff game and at home. . .How much pressure do you think hat guy put on himself? What about Vinnie Testaverdie he also was a horrible QB until he changed teams. Did Jackson have any rec. on that team other than Berrian last year? Give the guy some weapons to throw to first before you start throwing stones at him.
by davis0169 on Jun 30, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis0169
So, now you want to compare Tarvaris Jackson to Steve Young? He played for Tampa for two years and started only one of those years for an awful football team. But Bill Walsh saw enough in him in that ONE year to actually trade for him while having Joe Montana on his roster. There is no team in the NFL that will give anything up in a trade for T-JOKE.
Give the guy some weapons? Question: who is the best running back in the NFL? Answer: ALL DAY ADRIAN! The presence of Adrian Peterson gives T-JOKE the luxury of never having to worry about an extra defender in the secondary because opposing defenses must stack the box to stop AD.
by alx420 on Jun 30, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a bad comparison
Using Young, not Vinnie though. And yes you do have, if not the best back in the league, the second best back. Sorry guys I still feel that LT is the best back, he played all of last year on a bad wheel. all I was trying to say is that T-Jack was starting to get into sync with Rice when he got hurt last year, and then at the end of the season when Rice came back T-Jack started to look good again. But what does having a great RB have to do with your QB’s passing stats?
by davis0169 on Jun 30, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duh
The fact that a great RB reduces the amount of defenders covering recievers
by Loki The Viking God on Jul 17, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farve fan, quoting davis0169
“Give the guy some weapons to throw to first before you start throwing stones at him.”
I said that about Favre at Green Bay for years.
by homecolor on Jun 30, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is Booty better than Jackson? I hear a lot of Jackson sucks, but we’re putting him up against Booty. Both should improve, which one has the potential to improve more. I don’t THINK you are talking to me, but those are the questions you have to ask yourself.
So lets hear your best Booty rocks piece.
by newmexvike on Jun 30, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good question newmexvike...
I don’t know who is better between these two. As I mentioned earlier, Booty may be good or he may suck, we just won’t know until he actually plays a game. It would be unfair to compare Booty to Jackson because Jackson has had 26 games to prove himself, but Booty has not been given that opportunity yet.
With that said, I would be in favor of cutting Jackson. This is the last year of his rookie contract. I believe Childress and Co. have seen enough of him and know that he is not going to play for us next year, barring some remarkable improvement in his game. You don’t hear any rumblings of contract talks regarding T-JOKE because there is no desire to keep him in Purple. Booty on the otherhand is still under contract after this season for a relatively low salary. You also have to at least find out if he can be a serviceable QB in the NFL before cutting him. That is something that has yet to take place.
by alx420 on Jun 30, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't know the answer to that question
Then yes, you don’t watch much football. Jackson is 2 or 3 years ahead of booty in almost every faucet of the game. Experience, stats, practice, etc.
so if the worst case scenario happens, Favre gets hurt, Rosenfels lives up to his sub-par play that has had him as a back-up for the past 7 + years and we have to hand the 09’ season over to Booty??…thats exactly why you have no say in this organization, and i’m very thankful. You can dwell all you want over Jacksons last game and his performance but he is the main reason why we came back against the lions in the second half of the season that got us that extra win to put us into the play-offs. Otherwise, you would have been watching the Bears play the Eagles at Soldiers field.
“you don’t hear any rumblings of contract talks regarding T-Joke”
There is no reason why any of us would hear any “ramblings” of his contract negotiations. Thats the business aspect of the game that you don’t go out re-signing players a year before their contract runs up for the exact reason that it leaves you more options. It sucks, but thats the best approach for an organization.
If there was no trust in Jackson to be in purple they would have started Gus instead of Jackson in the play-offs. Sure, you might hate the guy, but the people that get paid for doing such things see it completely different. Your name-calling and stubborness isn’t going to help you as a Viking fan, as its those fans that your insulting, whether they are right or wrong, they still cheer for the same team, and neither ours or your opinion really has any impact on the 09’ season, its supposed to be fun. calling people dumb and retarded won’t get you very far in life, and doesn’t make it fun for any of us, just pisses everyone off. Maybe try upgrading from the scwhag you’ve been getting off your local mexican.
SKOL
SKOL
by PurpleJesuZ on Jun 30, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
the reason you would keep TJack is If Favre gets hurt, AND, if Sage plays piss poor? That’s to many “if’s” for me to have reason to keep him. I seriously doubt that Sage couldn’t do well with this team with AD behind and throwing to recievers like Berrian, Harvin, and Wade. T-Jack’s time is up in the NFL…he had plenty of chances but it’s not working out…he never should have been drafted in the first place….I don’t know what Brad was thinking, “Hey, lets get a no-name QB from a small school and see if he can make it in the NFL”…ridiculous
by Loki The Viking God on Jul 17, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if we are going to go with insults, at least I am able to spell retarded properly.
Again, he was drafted as a three to four year project and should never have taken a snap until this upcoming season. He is certainly not up to par, but can we really expect him to be?
He has not shown the consistancy needed to be an NFL QB, that is to be expected when you throw a guy like him in too early.
I don’t believe he is where he needs to be based on his play the last few years, but that does not mean that he will never get there.
What about the 40.7 Eli Manning put up against the same team the week before? They won a super bowl with him. Not comparing him to Eli, just that the eagles pass defense is pretty good.
by Bjorno on Jun 30, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st of all
I have never seen you here before, but we try not to resort to name calling. Everyone has their opinions. I don’t go calling folks who don’t agree with or have a different opinion “retarded”. Go somewhere else if thats what you want to do. I wouldn’t be nasty abou tyour opinion. People who resort to this act like they are the final word on anything football and I haven’t met anyone who actually is -lighten up a little
On the flip side I agree with you that T-Jax will (at this time) be just a good reserve QB at best. I wish with his athletic ability he could be used somehow. Another position??? Wildcat options? I feel sorry for the kid. He has handled himself with dignity. It is a shame an idiot coach traded 2 good picks to move up to #2 and pick him (more pressure) when we probobly would have gotten him with the 5th pick which is where we picked up JDB, a QB with a much better pedigree and resume.
I really wish there was some way to keep all 4. Maybe buy some time for Booty and T-Jax. Maybe someday T-Jax could help someone with a QB problem and start. Unfortunately it will be in a fill in role much like Culpepper and probobly not a playoff bound team.
by CitrusFLViking on Jun 30, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
>>I have never seen you here before, but we try not to resort to name calling.
if you must, at least be funny.
by newmexvike on Jul 1, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
good humor always takes the bite out of an innocent jab.
I still get my thoughts scrambled and everyone started laughing when I told them my sister blind dog hasn’t seen me for a while but still knew me.
Couldn’t figure out what the laugh was about.
Man, I wish camp were here today. I’m jonesing for even a pre season game.
by CitrusFLViking on Jul 2, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can have an AMEN to that brother!
This is the hardest time of the year for real football fans.
by davis0169 on Jul 2, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this will be too easy
ok alx420 i’ll give you several qb’s that are worse or arguably worse than jackson. ready?
last three years numbers:
denver – orton – 33games, 71.1rating, 55.3%, 161.2ypg, 30td, 27int
oakland – russell – 19games, 73.9rating, 53.9%, 147.2ypg, 15td, 12int
detroit – culpepper – 16games, 73rating, 56.9%, 190.4ypg, 11td, 14int
cleveland – quinn – 4games, 65.8rating, 49.5%, 140.8ypg, 2td, 2int
san fran – hill – 13games, 90.5rating, 64%, 195.9ypg, 18td, 9int
seattle – hasselbeck – 35games, 75.1rating, 57.1%, 208.4ypg, 51td, 37int
st. louis – bulger – 43games, 78.2rating, 59.5%, 216.5ypg, 46td, 36int
tampa bay – leftwich – 14games, 80.9rating, 57.5%, 115.6ypg, 10td, 7int
buffalo – edwards – 24games, 79.1rating, 61.6%, 180.4ypg, 18td, 18int
ny jets – clemens – 14games, 59.3rating, 52%, 111.1ypg, 5td, 11int
i’ll break down jacksons numbers year by year so he can be compared to those with less games.
jacksons numbers for the past 3 years:
06 – 4games, 62.5rating, 58%, 118.8ypg, 2td, 4int
07 – 12games, 70.8rating, 58.2%, 159.3ypg, 9td, 12int
08 – 9games, 95.4rating, 59.1%, 117.3ypg, 9td, 2int
carreer – 25games, 76.5rating, 58.4%, 137.7ypg, 20td, 18int
how’s that?
these numbers all came from yahoo. do stats tell it all? no. are there some i listed that are statistically better than jackson? yes. i’d take jackson over all of them at this point. some like quinn and edwards are just as unproven as jackson and may never amount to anything.
You mean the 45.4 passer rating he posted up AT HOME in the biggest game of the year?
go look at some other qb’s who’ve had great careers and see if every single one of them doesn’t have a single playoff game in which they performed badly. i think manning put up a 33 qb rating in a playoff game AT HOME a few years back. they should have cut that loser too huh?
so i don’t really feel
retartded
by iseepurplepeople on Jul 1, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would take Jackson
Over Hassleback? Hill? Orton? Bulger? Granted Hasselback and Bulger are declining but still I don’t think if you put them on the Vikes either of them would do worse then Jackson. Hill actually played really well for the 49ers last year, as did Orton for the Bears.
But comparing Manning and Jackson is something you cannot do. Manning has proven himself as a top 3 QB, Jackson hasn’t even proven himself as a solid NFL starter. So him having a bad playoff game, is different then Manning having a bad playoff game. But I get what your trying to say. I personally think Jackson should have one more to prove himself and if he can’t then get rid of him.
by packallday555 on Jul 2, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy for you to say...
What with Aaron Rodgers and all. Quarterback problems have never been a burden of the Green Bay Packers.
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by Manimal on Jul 2, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would take jackson over any of those guys i listed yes and you can add favre to that list as well. he has as much or more potential than the younger guys and is arguably better than the aging vets already and his career stats over three years compare favorably with all of them. granted some of those guys bad numbers may be a product of their teams but some of them have better receivers than us, and some have olines that are at least comparable to ours.
it’s funny you mention shaun hill. he used to be a backup for us. we let him go and now look. he’s starting in san fran. if we get rid of jackson i see the same thing happening to him while we continue to churn out promising qb’s for other teams. is shaun hill the second coming of dan marino? no but he looked pretty good last year. and we cut him.
i didn’t compare manning to jackson in anyway. i was merely pointing out that you don’t drop someone for having one bad performance in one playoff game. i don’t see it as any different. 11 starting qb’s lost in the playoffs just last season. jackson was one of those.
i just don’t understand all flak he takes. some yes but not all of it. i could understand if he were an 8 year vet like sage. it really boggles my mind when people think sage is a better qb than tj. give him his year.
by iseepurplepeople on Jul 2, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Hill, QB for the 49ers, who ranked lower than the Vikings in QB ratings. Makes me feel good that the Viking front office knew what it was doing in cutting him loose.
Bollinger, QB cut by the Vikings, picked up by Dallas who still hasn’t signed him for this year, and is projected to play for the UFL in the coming season.
That’s what we call, ‘Affirmation’ :)
by DCPurple on Jul 6, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you don't
I said give me 1 starting quarterback that Jackson is better than. Booty does not start.
by alx420 on Jun 30, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about JaMarcus Russel.
Besides, you are comparing people who have had enough time to develop into starting quarterbacks to someone who has NOT had enough time to develop.
Apples to oranges my friend.
by Bjorno on Jun 30, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bjorno
You must be the stupidest person on this site. How can you say that Jackson has not had enough time to develop? Three years isn’t enough?
JaMarcus Russell was the first overall pick in the draft when he got drafted. He has much more potential than T-JOKE. There is no starter in the NFL that T-JOKE is better than.
You’re such an idiot.
by alx420 on Jul 1, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, three years is not enough.
Do you really think that being an NFL QB is that simple of a position? Do you really think that it is easy to adjust from a Div I-AA school to the NFL?
There are QB’s that come from colleges with Pro-style offenses that take three years to adjust to the complexity of the game. There is a reason there are only 4-5 “great” quarterbacks in this league because it is such a difficult position.
You asked me for someone who Tjack is better than, the numbers prove that Tjack is better than Russell. You can say that he has more potential, but the only potential I see is for him to land a spot on “The Biggest Loser” the weight-loss show.
Just because he is the first overall pick does not mean jack squat. Do you know how many first overall picks have been busts in the last 15 years?
You’re such a troll.
by Bjorno on Jul 1, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re name calling is so impressive and greatly improves your credibility. I bow to your superior wisdom.
Sarcasm? Me? No…
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jul 1, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey man, I’m just trying to loosen you up a little bit, you’re so uptight.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jul 1, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try and sneak booty on the practice squad which will never happen but big deal keep t-jack hes young and hes a good backup QB to have then try and find a starter.
"If at first you don't succeed - Skydiving isn't for you"
by Zoxide on Jun 30, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
You guys should cut Jackson, but as long as Childress is head coach that won’t ever happen. I thought Booty might be your long time QB, but newmexvike fan makes a good point in saying the fact that he isn’t even up to the #2 spot isn’t very promising. I think Sage will be the QB after Favre is done, or at least he deserves a chance. Jackson has had his chances, and has done well sometimes, and has been awful sometimes. It’s really going to be interesting to see your QB situation pan out over the next 4-6 years.
by packallday555 on Jun 30, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a tough call
If we get BF, which looks the case, you got a 31 yr old carrer backup, a young athletic but flawed athletic QB with some starting experience and then the “Boot Man” who could be good but we’ll never know if all we do is play him with a mix of rookie draftees and undrafted FA’s at the end of a pre-season game. Every QB should get one quarter with a bulk of starting vets in front of them in the pre season.
Another reason I am against an 18 game schedule and keeping 4 pre-season games.
by CitrusFLViking on Jun 30, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoot
It’ll be interesting to see how the QB situation pans out before the beginning of this year. We still aren’t postive Favre will be able to go, and if Jackson or Sage would be the starter if Favre wasn’t able to go. I can re-call Baltimore last year, having a battle all through training camp to see who would be the starter, and at the last minute when everyone thought the job was going to the Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith, it went to Joe Flacco at the last minute. Who knows who will be the quarterback, but one thing is for sure, the rest of our football team is set in stone (starters) and they will be ready to rock.
SKOL
by PurpleJesuZ on Jun 30, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dump Booty...
… so that we can go back to T Jack when Favre chokes down the stretch.
by BacksThePack on Jun 30, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the name calling.
You guys are right. I apologize for the name calling and will not do it again. I just get a little passionate about the Vikings. Resorting to petty name calling on the internet is stupid and I’m sorry for doing it.
Either way, we win the division again!
Go Vikes!
by alx420 on Jul 1, 2009 12:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Apology accepted.
I would like to point out that I do not think Jackson is going to be a top-tier QB in this league, but I do think it is too soon to close the book on him.
We should give him the time we expected him to need when we first drafted him, then we can start saying he will never get it. Worst case scenario, we have a good Wildcat QB/2nd or 3rd string QB.
by Bjorno on Jul 1, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All's cool
Life’s too short, as they say. Takes a man to apologize when needed-You are a Prime Time Vikes Man
Skol! And I’ll up that bid of a division title with a playoff win or 2. Hopefully a Super Bowl trip.
by CitrusFLViking on Jul 2, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Citrus?
What does a trip to the superbowl do you if you don’t win it all? the Vikes already have 4 almosts what’s a 5th going to do for you guys? That’s like taking a knife to a gun fight.
by davis0169 on Jul 2, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Didn’t mean to imply I don’t want to win it. Ya gotta get there first and then, by all means win the dang thing!
by CitrusFLViking on Jul 3, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for what it's worth
I never really gave my opinion on who to cut.
At one point (couple weeks ago) I wanted them to keep all 4, but now I say cut Booty. I liked him before I saw him in the preseason, but regardless of the other players out there with him, he looked like a deer in the headlights. That’s not to say he’s doomed, but it looked awful.
Both Jackson and Booty are developmental at this point. I really liked Jackson before last year. His skills are awesome (1st preseason runs), I believe it’s all in his head right now. Given time that may change. It doesn’t seem likely, but the upside is big because to his skills. Jackson will be watching a real pro this year, and that might help him get it too.
I don’t care about other QBs from USC, they can’t hold Booty’s hand. I agree that unless you have access to Viking practices, you just don’t know enough about him, but what I do know doesn’t get me too excited.
I just hope Sage turns into Favre’s replacement. I think he will. He has a lot of positive things going for him:
1. Size
2. Pretty good arm
3. Very Smart – 36 wonderlic (I really like that)
4. Vikings wanted him for 2 years (I know, but it’s something)
5. Can learn from Favre
by newmexvike on Jul 1, 2009 1:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya I would have to agree
I think Sage will eventually become the starter. I think with the proper coaching he can become the game manager you guys need, and possibly more. He has a career completion rating of 62.5, and a pretty good career QB rating of 81. He also can make the more intermediate, and deep throws. The only thing is he makes some questionable decisions sometimes. (Rosencoptor haha)
by packallday555 on Jul 1, 2009 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TJ is gone
I see were folks have some good arguments….to me the first Flag is, no contract. The Vikes have resigned guys they want to keep on the team early.
The other flag was seeing Gus comes in and the playbook seems to open up. TJ seems to still not have a grasp of the play book.
The attempt last season to trade for Sage…it seems the Staff wanted Sage last year but the price was to high…they got him this year.
Other than the Lions game has TJ ever really brought the team from behind to win the game?…the Lions game was 3-6 when Gus went out.
And other than the Cards game has he ever post a good or great game? No never.
He had the same weapons that Gus had and still performed at a lower level.
JDB hs yet to see the field, other than his rookie preseason…he had better coaching and talent around him than TJ so I do see more upside with him. Maybe the Staff will have a better read on him after TC and preseason. I think it will come down to who has a better grasp of the playbook in the end…IMO JDB will win that battle.
by vikefan1969 on Jul 2, 2009 5:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what you are saying, even though I still think they let Booty go in the end. Childress keeps his cards pretty close to the chest, so it’s hard to say which one they like better. I just think the fact that they won’t let JDB near the field speaks volumes as well. This should be very interesting.
by newmexvike on Jul 2, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely right!
This is what I’ve been trying to say all along. Clearly TJ is a terrible player and will not be re-signed after this year (if he isn’t cut before the start of the season).
Booty not playing yet is not a reflection on him as much as it is a matter of the circumstances that surround him. Last year he was a rookie and we had Gus and T-JOKE so he obviously is not going to see the field and will be pegged as the #3. This year he is still going to be down on the depth chart whether we get Favre or not. My gut feeling tells me that we will let T-JOKE go after we pick up Favre. There is no room for T-JOKE with Brett on the roster. He will not play this year and will not be resigned so why not let him go? It makes perfect sense.
I can’t wait for the season to start — I think we’re going to kick major ass this year. The defense is going to be top-3 and the offense if going to be awesome. I’m really excited about Percy Harvin on the same field with Adrian. I watch a lot of college football and Percy was the best player on the field everytime he stepped on the field in any of his games. He was the best player on a two time national championship team. Whether it’s Brett or Sage, Adrian will finally see 7 in the box and will tear up the league.
by alx420 on Jul 2, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly TJ is a terrible player
if this is true then so are bulger, hasselbeck, quinn, edwards, etc…see my post above also in reply to your post.
by iseepurplepeople on Jul 2, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Dr. Pepper
didn’t start 16 games for our lions last year, he wasn’t even on our roster at the beginning of the year.
by davis0169 on Jul 2, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judging a QB’s skill based solely on their stats isn’t a very accurate way to look at it
by Loki The Viking God on Jul 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But it’s a good place to start :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Jul 17, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back to your KKK site.
Totally uncalled for and not what we are all about.
by CitrusFLViking on Jul 3, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TJ needs to go
Color is irrelevant - T jack cant perform under pressure every time the game is on the line he wants to be on the side lines and not on the field. If you go back and watch the films of when he is at QB and we need a score he looks like a deer in the headlights. You cannot teach away that kind of fear.
by just another viking on Jul 3, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
t-jack goes
i have confidence in john david booty i never liked t-jack he started to come together at the end of last season so i dont know. i dont like brett eather because he is going to retire after a year and we need a young qb like booty
by C-Dubb on Jul 4, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Given the chance I believe Booty
might be able to do something.
I have got to give T-Jax credit for his great attitude through all the adversity. he never asked to be picked at #2 and I sometimes wonder if things would have gone kinder had we picked him at 4 or 5?
All in all, he has developed a profssional mentality and if not here, I hope he can fill a need for someone someday and even if he must, make a living in the NFL as a backup or injury replacement.
I like to see good things happen to good people. TJax has demonstrated that and professionalism.
by CitrusFLViking on Jul 4, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
t-jack is a backup and thats all he ever will be for us
by C-Dubb on Jul 4, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shake, Shake, Shake
Shake your Booty!
Booty’s the one to keep here. He’s our (current) QB of the future.
You can try to trade Jackson if you like but you will probably not find much Action on that front.
Put T-Jack on the Practice Squad. Odds are that no one will steal him and if someone does, then Oh Well!
Flat out, he belongs in Canada (or maybe the UFL – with Denny Green?).
If Tarvaris wants to have an NFL career of any substance, then he should probably go to a different league to hone his skills (i.e. learn to stop pressing the Panic Button right after the snap) and then try a comeback.
We Need Ice & Snow!!
by Vike since '73 on Jul 4, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah your’re right. he is the one to keep here. he is the youngest and thats best for the team
by C-Dubb on Jul 4, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belief in Youth!
How about the Viking sign my 10 year old nephew, he’s even younger, so that means he’d be better than Booty for the Vikings, right?
Come on man, be fair about this. If youth were all it took, no one would have waited 3 years for Fitz to break-out in Arizona. Booty’s shown us nothing to give us confidence in his ability. Maybe he’ll turn out to be the next Tom Brady and we’ll be sorry we let him go… but that’s a huge maybe.
by DCPurple on Jul 6, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Booty in camp
I went to training camp last year just to see Booty and he was very impressive. His throws were perfectly on target and his presence around the coaches was great he looked like he was attentive and doing his best to learn and improve. On the contrary TJ was not paying attention and the coaches had to go to him to give instruction, vs TJ going to them. I think Booty has more of an understanding of his position within the team and the work that it takes to be a top QB and that he is willing to listen to those that can teach him what he needs to know.
In the pre season games last year Booty looked like the game was moving too fast, but the game will slow down as he gains experience and knowledge. Further more if we do in fact have Brett as our starting QB I think the one that will benefit the most would be Booty b/c of his desire to learn that he exemplified in camp last year.
by just another viking on Jul 6, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Booty Call
While you saw Booty looking good in camp last year, a few months later we all saw the footage of those panicked eyes in his pre-season game, so I’m not sure that playing on a friendly field gives you the same evaluation playing against a hostile team, even when the game doesn’t count towards the season’s standings. That being said, I hope you’re right. The Vikes have held onto this guy despite his poor showing in the pre-season, so I have to assume they see something worth holding on to.
Placed up against the level of play we see from T-Jack and Sage, however…. it’s pretty clear that if someone has to go, it’s #4 jr.
by DCPurple on Jul 7, 2009 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Booty going?
I understand the thought that we might be better off keeping Sage and T-Jack. I am just not sure that there is any hope that T-Jack will ever get beyond the fear of “the 2 minute drill” Every time he has been in the position of needing to score he folds. T-jack can look great when there is little or no pressure during the game but when he starts to get manhandled by the defense he wants nothing more than to get out of the game and have it over…… We have a competent second string in Sage and as I see it no future with T-jack so why not keep Booty and see what he has to offer. Plus the only hope(although small) that we have to get anything on trade is to trade T-Jack. Booty will get us nothing. From a financial position Booty will cost us allot less. If we can get someone to even pick up T-jacks contract we are better off than putting Booty on the practice squad or cutting him altogether. From what I see, and have seen, I think Booty will be a better fit for us down the road, and we have seen the best that T-Jack can do and that is not good enough.
I say give Booty the same chances that we gave T-jack and see what happens. I would hope we would not be wrong twice.
by just another viking on Jul 7, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if theres anyone who dosent like booty dont be mad because we could trade for a good qb but i like booty but i wouldent mind if we trade for a qb
by C-Dubb on Jul 7, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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