Daunte Culpepper: How will he do with the Lions?
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 6, 2009 5:25 PM CDT
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I am a Detroit Lions fan [okay, stop laughing now] and as you can see from the title I am interested in getting the Viking's fans take on Daunte's chances to return to Pro Bowl form in 2009. Or whatever form you think he will achieve.
There is a very lively debate at the Lion's site [Pride of Detroit ] regarding who should be the starting QB in 2009. My personal take is that Daunte is not a good option for Detroit. His last four years have been brutal, and his physical skills, which carried him in his good years, have deteriorated badly. His judgment, which was always poor, has not improved.
So, for those of you who remember Daunte best, I would appreciate any feedback you can give me. I'll be sure to pass it on.
This FanPost was created by a registered user of The Daily Norseman, and does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff of the site. However, since this is a community, that view is no less important.
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I think he’ll do okay. Probably a TD/INT ratio somewhere around 20/15 or so. He’ll suffice for caretaking another rebuilding year.
As long as Stafford doesn’t start, otherwise he’ll be the next David Carr.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 6, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Daunte....
has proven his entire career that he needs great play-makers around him to really be successful. When he had a great Vikings team around him, he did awesome.
When we lost a lot of our playmakers….he couldn’t finish games.
Dolphins were terrible….he was terrible.
Raiders were terrible…..he was terrible.
Now the Lions.
He has Calvin Johnson.
The defense upgraded a little.
I will have to agree with “he’ll do okay.” Not great.
by gerkvoltage on Jun 6, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Were the 2002 and 2005 Vikings bad teams too?
I know the 2005 season was shortened by injury, but Daunte did not look very impressive these two years. He threw more INTs than TDs and his fumbles and sack rates were way up too. His QB ratings those years was 75 and 72. Well below a league average QB.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 6, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Daunte could still be a very good QB on the right team
I can’t remember what happened in 2002 (was that the year that the team had no running game?) but 2005 was partly worsened by his injuries and mostly one awful (0 TD, 5 INT) game vs. Cincinnati. Also, 5 of those first 7 games of 2005 were against .500+ teams (4 finished 11-5), so the last 9 games were much easier.
Aside from a 7-game stint on the worst team ever last year (in the worst shape he’s ever played in), Daunte’s rating as a Dolphin and Raider is still higher than T-Jack’s career rating to date. Tarvaris Jackson’s fumble rate is very comparable to Culpepper’s (actually, Culpepper had entire seasons with a lower fumble rate). Only last year was Culpepper’s completion % lower than T-Jack’s career completion rate. So I’ll respect anyone who bags on Culpepper and says he’s not worth starting as long as that person says the same about Tarvaris Jackson, who has done less with more, if anything at all.
First, one should review this game from last year (especially around 1:20) before discounting Culpepper altogether. True, Culpepper and the Lions won’t always have the luxury of torching Cedric Griffin, but the Lions have Calvin Johnson and a new tight end (which I’ve always said is a QB’s best friend), and the offense should be improved (although it won’t score many more points unless the running game is more efficient). Culpepper is supposedly in shape again, now with 3 full seasons under his belt since his catastrophic injury. It doesn’t help his cause to be in Detroit, but I definitely think that Culpepper could still be dangerous again, and the Lions should win at least 3-4 games this year. The ability to throw this sort of deep ball (55+ yards in the air) so accurately does not go away:
And another which traveled more than 60 yards in the air and was only going to be incomplete, out of bounds, or on Randy Moss’s fingertips here.
There are MANY such plays from that era, and I don’t think either of these was the one I remembered most (similar to the one vs. the Cowboys, but even more accurate and further away from the defender). Part of the game plan was to attempt this sort of play about 4x per game.
Anyone who has forgotten how good Culpepper the Viking really was should Google video or YouTube search “Culpepper to Moss” for a few refreshers. Yes, Moss was integral, but Culpepper also made perfect throws to Carter on a routine basis (listen to the commentary after that last play, too). This is his 2004 highlight reel. Note the awareness to throw to Moe Williams across the field while almost being sacked, and accurately at that. The final play is another accurate 50-60+ yard bomb to the back of the end zone away from the defender (even Kelly Campbell makes a deep catch on the highlight reel). Not many QBs have been able to make that sort of throw so routinely…ever. Tom Brady is regarded as the best QB in the game and the QB with the strongest arm over the past few years, but his reel to Moss for 23 TDs does not look any better than Daunte’s. In fact, more of Brady’s throws were shorter, and the 3-4 throws for 50+ yards were to the front of the endzone (or didn’t make it to the endzone) and were not as on the money as Daunte’s. Culpepper would certainly benefit from having a reliable deep threat, a running game, and an above average OL, like any other QB, but there is no doubt in my mind that Daunte Culpepper still possesses the on-field awareness and the ability to make some of the most incredibly accurate throws we’ll ever see.
(DISCLAIMER/FYI: I despise some of the sountracks to these videos I’ve linked, and I’m not even talking about Joe Theisman.)
by KC Viking on Jun 7, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great points
Culpepper was the real deal with you guys. He really could become a pretty good QB again.
by packallday555 on Jun 7, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree he was the real deal but i disagree he could become a pretty good qb again. the knee injuries ruined his career and although he will remain serviceable he will never fully recover.
by iseepurplepeople on Jun 8, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gees, then why didn't you guys keep him?
I mean if he is better than Frerotte and Jackson?
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 7, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh, because he was a greedy bastard and didn’t like the new HC. The feeling was mutual, so we shipped him off. And the bridge had already been burned, so we couldn’t take him back last offseason.
by Frost on Jun 7, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frost is right on some things but the greedy image was a result of his agent. Tice kind of let Pepper do what he wanted. Like I said, with Green Daunte had to work with a coach. Geting spoiled by Tice didn’t help his productivity and led to his demise. I was at the Carolina game when he got hurt. He was running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Poor coaching direction led to poor play. With some first hand knowledge I had gotten from people close to him, it was Mason Ashe that convinced him to hold out. Even after the injury. I heard some really weird stuff about how they took advantage of him. That is why when it all crashed around him Daunte fired the idiots and decided to represent himself later.
You got a stupid lawyer telling you to hold out, I’ll get you the money" after getting him a big contract before, he figured he could trust the guys opinion.
Too bad. He could have stuck with his contract after the injury, rehabed with the Vikings PT’s and maybe salvaged something.
After being pampered by Tice, Chilly coming in to “clean house” didn’t sound good. He dfinitely should have done things better but I don’t think it was all Daunte. This was a time his agent chose to play a hard hand-foolishly I might add. Daunte thus gets a bad rap by taking bad advice
I hope good things for him. He may seem greedy, but that guy did a lot to help school programs in his hometown. I was invited to his home one year, I couldn’t make it over due to a storm, but my friends (a bunch of common Joe’s) played poker with a bunch of the guys. Stakes a little higher that they were used to. My buddy who didn’t want to embarrass himself lost 500$. Daunte took a couple hundred out of his pile and told the other Vikes players to pitch in. Told him “My guests are not allowed to lose in my home”
It is a shame folks couldn’t see his good nature and kindness. Daunte didn’t like to flaunt it. If you think he is greedy, he spent alot $ outfitting a school with underprivaged kids with 250 computers, flew in a bunch of stars from around the league to teach the kids their 1st lessons. When our new high school wasn’t sure if they could start a football program in it’s 1st year because of $ Daunte wrote a check for about 25000 to help as a way of saying thanks to the coaches who were there for him. Living with his Grandmother one of these coaches would take Daunte and his friends in as part of the family. He has a great sense of appreciation. I know there were a lot of other charities he donated and sponsored. My feeling was he had hoped he could have come back to Minny. He certainly had nothing but fond feelings for the fans.
Mislead, being told he could get lots of $ if he held out, what player these days isn’t trying to get all they can? We could blast Winfield, after all he is what? 32? And asking for a big contract. Of course he is healthy but he should know teams are going to look at his age. Lots of older FA’s out there still unsigned. Point is, be careful on the greedy thing. All you have to do is look at the salaries of unproven rookies to see who is leading the greed parade-the agents. The players just follow and are happy to reap the rewards.
by CitrusFLViking on Jun 9, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
I think Daunte was upset by the entire environment at the time, too. You had the “Love Boat” incident and a lot of finger pointing going on, his best target Moss had just been shipped off, he was dealing with a really bad injury and wanted to rehab elsewhere, and the new HC on the block was laying down the law. I think it could piss anyone off, but in this case, Daunte over-played his hand. The agent was probably a factor, but I remember Daunte’s attitude at the time; he was pissed off. That’s never a good time to make decisions.
by DCPurple on Jun 13, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We probably couldn’t keep him because he’d gotten that massive contract extension and was going to be on the shelf for quite some time. Also, Childress and Wilf wanted to blow up the team anyway, partially because they thought that Daunte was one of the bad apples and partially because Childress wanted to develop a guy from scratch and look like a genius without some pesky franchise QB getting much of the credit. At least one member of the coaching staff may have genuinely believed that Ryan Cook was more valuable than Daunte, too. That trade didn’t work out so well for either team, really.
Childress was not going to allow a real competition between “the Precious” Tarvaris Jackson and a quality QB. Gus was brought in to be easy on TJ, and then Chilly was stuck with Gus when he felt that he needed to make a point. I suppose that Chilly might say that Culpepper doesn’t fit his system, even though Tice and Green were “West Coast Offense” coaches. As stupid as it was, ego(s) (perhaps on both sides) got in the way of Daunte returning to MN last year.
by KC Viking on Jun 7, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks KC, Interesting background info.
We have not had any problems with Daunte here in Detroit. He has worked hard and done everything he has been asked. Except win a game.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 8, 2009 4:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Culpepper will be okay. I mean, with him under center, you guys almost beat us. I think you possibly would have if Marinelli hadn’t decided he wanted only to score TDs and not FGs. He certainly helped Megatron when he got into position to make a big play. I think that, right now, he’s Detroit’s best option.
by Frost on Jun 6, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll be alright
I think Culpepper will be alright. He is questionable reading defense’s and isn’t in great shape. Luckily for him though he still has a big arm, and still has Megatron. That’s about all he needs. Plus, Pettigrew could help a lot also. He will probably have td:int of like, 18 or 19: 13 or 14.
by packallday555 on Jun 6, 2009 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Streaky
As a stop gap for the Lions for another year, maybe (and should be) two, he will be ok for the Lions. Don’t expect any playoff runs, and I dont mean that in a deragutory way, with him. While the team finally did the right thing in axing Millen, there is more in the front office that should have been done. Needless to say, seems like this draft and F.A. there seemed to be an honest effort to really do something to get this team to do more then 4 wins.
Back to Culpepper. He has had a few great years in Minnesota, but wether injury, or play, seems he followed up a good year with a less then steller one. I could be worng, but think one was injury shortened and I don’t think he really has fully recovered, then the first time he had a great year, reverted to the Culpepper 2 years previous, forcing the ball, stupid turnovers. And this was with Moss and a few other good players as well. So, I think two years for him, then Staffords turn in 3. Even if you guys finished 1-15 the next two seasons, I think it would be a mistake to put Stafford in right away. The guy has the potential to be Marino/Tarkenton type and put up awesome numbers, maybe not a super scrambler like Fran, but give the guy two years to watch from the bench no matter how things get ugly on the field, and you guys may have something to say in a few years about the North Division Championship.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk"
by VikesFaninNM on Jun 7, 2009 9:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If we hit the Bye week 1-5 or 0-6 I hope Staff gets the next start [Week #8]
VFNM, Are you seriously saying that the Lions should leave Daunte in for two years going 1 and 15?
I know you guys think we have low standards here in Detroit, but we will not be satisfied with a single win season, with a 32 year old broken down QB starting and a #1 pick on the bench.
FYI, Sacks have very little to do with a QB’s scrambling ability. Look at Roethilisberger, Daunte, Vick, Cassel. All four are very mobile guys who got sacked a lot. Compared to Marino, Brady, Matt Ryan, or Orlovsky who did not.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 7, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Stafford has a Matt Ryan type year, which nobody should expect from him, you might as well leave in Culpepper while Ryan learns from the sidelines. Maybe throw him in when the game’s no longer on the line or something, but he should learn how to do everything first. Baptisms by fire don’t always work out.
by Frost on Jun 7, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wanted input.....
So you got it. Dont think the standards are low. But throw him in the first season, he could be a Ryan, or be Tavarious Jackson, 3 years later and still needing “time”. What would you rather gamble with for a 1st pick and all that money? Two semi productive years then let him take over, or throw him to the wolves and not get squat? Remember, Lions have done that many of times, and where has it gotten them? As far as the Marino comparison, I was referring to STATS, not scrambling! Hence the reference to Fran Tarkenton as for SCRAMBLING. And yeah, he got sacked too, no kidding, but bought alot of time. Oh, and Daunte is NO WHERE near as fast as he was, so his sacks will go up compared to being a mobile QB. Number of sacks versus mobility DOES do alot with a QB’s Stat’s.
Read before you jump my $hit or dont ask for input or thoughts again.
"If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk"
by VikesFaninNM on Jun 7, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did read your comment. Twice in fact because I could not believe what I was reading.
I did not take your comment regarding a “playoff run” as derogatory. I am a realist and realize that 2009 will be a rebuilding year for the Lions. I think three to five wins is where we will end up. I do expect us to play better defence and avoid the embarrassing blowouts [most of our games seemed to be over by the second quarter] that we endured in 2008.
I did take issue with your comment about going 1 and 15 for a couple of years with Daunte at the helm. No franchise in the NFL would allow that to happen without making a move and the Lions are no different. The Vikes made the playoffs and are still making a change at QB. So did San Diego a few years ago.
If Stafford shows in training camp that he is the best QB, he should start right away. Will it be tough? You bet it will. But if he is a real NFL QB he will make it through as a better player than if he was holding a clipboard and watching Daunte get pounded.
I appreciate your feedback on the question regarding Daunte.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 7, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
leave stafford on the bench
i wouldn’t let him on the field for more than mop up duty in year one. even if daunte get’s hurt i’d put someone else in. don’t kid yourself that detriot has the kind of line that would allow a matt ryan type of year from a rookie. they guy would get pounded. david carr was a good qb and would have been a very good qb for a long time if he had been on a team with decent line. the guy took a pounding and it ruined his career. throw stafford to the wolves like that and the same could happen to him. he’s not the missing piece on detriot like ryan was last year. detroit needs a lot of pieces. so take the 1-15 this year if that’s what it takes but keep the kid on the bench for now. i think you’ll win more than that with daunte. 4 or 5 isn’t out of the question.
by iseepurplepeople on Jun 8, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daunte is a good guy
who got advice from bad people. My friend was his HS coach and he is a real caring person. The adice from his agents when attempting a new contract with the Vikings was stupid considering he was coming off a knee injury. He has since fired those people.
I have heard he has been working hard in the off season and lost some weight. When he oushes himself like that he can do some good things. When he gets on the field he loves to have fun and pump things up. I saw him doing that last year and it seems he is getting some of his excitement back.
That being said, I think he can help the team get back on track. Aging and injuries do not make him the long term answer but I think Stafford will be able to pick his brain some and Daunte will help him as much as he can. Like I said, he is a good guy and got a bad rap at times due to the advice he was given. Those distractions are gone and I think you will see a fun loving attitude back in his game.
No playoffs but I think a few wins anyway.
by CitrusFLViking on Jun 7, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is very nice, but can he be an effective NFL QB?
Frankly, my memories of Daunte were that his decision making was horrible. I saw more of that in the five games he played for us last year. I think Stafford has more to teach him than vice versa.
I would be very worried about having Daunte try to mentor Stafford.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 7, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like you already made up your mind….
Gonzo did a post on here once that showed some good Daunte numbers the year that Moss was hurt most of the season.
I don’t think the statement above about Daunte needing a good team around him necessarily holds true. It’s a team game, nobody does well when they’re surrounded by bad players (except Barry Sanders!). Moss didn’t do well in Oakland, either.
I’m routing for Daunte. This is a good video of his ’04 season. His scrambling has been reduced, but look at some of those bombs at the end! Exciting stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HChKZDA3oGk
Moss caught 13 of the 39 TD passes that year, and missed 3 games.
As a Vikes fan, I can’t all-out route for the kitties, if it can’t be the Vikes winning the NFC North I hope it’s you guys.
by JasonAve6413 on Jun 7, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason, I am biased against Daunte [As I said in my FanPost]
I would like to think that I am open enough to listen and accept other sides of the discussion. Not necessarily agree with them though. And I see no harm in asking some follow ups to those who have been kind enough to respond.
I was just hoping to get the Minnesota fan’s insight into his strengths and weaknesses and the likelihood that he returns to near his high performance levels.
Thanks for your feedback. I don’t mean to offend you guys.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 7, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahahahha. No. Stafford doesn’t have anything to teach Daunte at this level. Look, I understand wanting to see how he does, especially because of Ryan’s success last year, but the teams are completely different. Kevin Smith might be a decent back, but he’s no Michael Turner. The pressure is still going to be heavier on Stafford to win games than it was on Ryan. The Falcon’s O-line was also better than Detroits this season. At least, that’s how it looks right now. Who knows, they might gel and become a solid unit, but, let’s face it, that seems unlikely.
So it’d be alot better for Culpepper to show Matt what, or through his mistakes what not, to do rather than have Stafford go in there and try to learn by himself.
by Frost on Jun 7, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Frost, but I am counting on the coaches to teach Staff, not Daunte
I was not very reassured by your last sentence. I agree with your evaluation of the Lions weaknesses. Trust me, I am not expecting a playoff run in 2009. I am looking at three to five wins this year. The Lions need to get younger and learn to play together and I foresee another painful year. The organization will identify the areas which need improvement [a lot of them I’m sure] and act on them in the 2010 draft and free agency. But if Stafford starts the majority of the games this year, that may set us up for some real progress in 2010.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 7, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, obviously coaches will teach him, but it’s always nice to have a player who’s had success teach you the nuances too. Culpepper’s gone through the training Stafford will be going through, he might be able to help him out a bit. Of course it’s pretty well documented the guy’s got a big-head, so maybe he won’t. Hopefully he does.
by Frost on Jun 7, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daunte and decisions
He is not as dumb as you think. He can offer Matt some advice.
He was better when he had better guidance from the coach. Seemed he thrived better under Green and went downhill with Tice. I agree he is not the type of QB that you give the OK to do whatever he wants. Tice screwed him. Pepper knew what Green wanted done and did it.
by CitrusFLViking on Jun 8, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't talking statistics here
I was referring more to how more comfortable he looked under Green. He had the big 2004 season but we were 8-8 and barely made the playoffs. Big win over GB but overall, no team consistancy.
by CitrusFLViking on Jun 8, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Culpepper was only good...
With half the field in single coverage because Moss was commanding double and triple teams. Maybe if he had another receiver like that…
Oh wait.
Calvin Johnson.
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by Manimal on Jun 8, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Megatron is nowhere near Moss level yet, but that O-line is what will really cause him problems. The team just isn’t good enough for him to be great again.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 8, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang it, messed up the italics AND a conjunction.
Megatron is nowhere near Moss level yet, and that O-line will really cause him problems. The team just isn’t good enough for him to be great again.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 8, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they had consistant QBs, I’d say he could be around Moss’ level. I mean, who’s he had throwing to him? Kitna, Orlovsky, Stanton, a newly-aquainted-with-the-offense Culpepper. I mean he’s a freakish WR. If he was on a team like the Colts or Patriots or some other team with a consistantly good QB, he’d probably be in talks as one of the top 5 WRs.
What he isn’t at is Moss-stats.
by Frost on Jun 8, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it basically comes back to the fact that it’s the Lions, and no matter how much skill they have, the Lions are the Lions, and always will be the Lions. In other words, they’ll always suck. :D
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 8, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frost, His stats last year were top Five WR
Led the NFL WRs in TDs, 1331 yards with a 17.1 average. I don’t think there is anyone in the league , outside of Larry Fitzgerald, I would consider trading even up with Calvin. He needs to show some consistency and repeat his 2008 performance to prove that he is elite.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 9, 2009 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there we go
He just needs a consistent QB and he’ll be set then. I mean, if you put up top 5 Stats with the merry-go-round Detroit had last year, I’d hate to imagine playing against him if Stafford ends up becoming an upper-tier QB.
by Frost on Jun 9, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
Now my “nowhere near Moss-level” comment just looks stupid.
Still, Calvin Johnson can’t save the Lions by himself.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jun 9, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn’t look stupid. he’s never played for the vikings.
by iseepurplepeople on Jun 9, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally wouldn't want Daunte teaching my young franchise QB anything...
Maybe he’s grown up a ton, but the biggest thing I heard about Daunte when he was in Minney was that he was lazy when it came to game prep. The guy wouldn’t come in to watch tape so they gave him a laptop with the tape loaded in and he wouldn’t spend time with that either. This lead him to be half lost when game time came around. Daunte seemed to have made it on pure athleticism and little guile. The guy I’d want teaching my new QB is a wiley veteran who had to work his A$$ off to get in and then stay in this league (Kurt Warner and Jeff Garcia come to mind). Give him a thinking man’s quarterback to learn from; someone who can teach you some “ghetto moves” (that’s what we called the sneaky stuff in my sport), not just chuck it up to Calvin and pray you threw it well…
I don’t know… I think Daunte will be ok for you, streaky, but good enough for those 3-5 wins, I’m just concerned about him having much influence on Stafford… I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt though and hope he’s grown up a bit and can be a decent mentor…
by ctowner35 on Jun 8, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was especially wondering about his game prep
It was difficult to tell last year because the Hapless Marinelli coaching staff had no clue as far as game planning anyway. We were usually behind 21-0 in the second quarter of most games last year. Sounds like Daunte fit right in with Marinelli and Colletto.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 8, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he has a highly talented deep threat to throw the ball to and a healthy knee, he could still be a probowler in my mind. We know he has one of those things in Calvin Johnson… unfortunately for him, nobody knows how the knee will continue to hamper him.
I think that if the Lions are serious about making Stafford their QB of the future they’ve gotta let Daunte take the reigns until he either gets hurt, or stinks it up so bad that they might as well put Matthew in. I think the Lions are a better team with Culpepper under center right now.
Don’t know what it is about the guy, but I still hold a sliver of optimism for ’Pep.
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by TheViking83 on Jun 8, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Daunte did make a couple of nice deep throws to Calvin. But he was very inconsistent the rest of the time. I am mostly concerned about his tendency to hold the ball. Our line is not so great, but it is not as bad pass blocking as a lot of people think. No line can hold off pass rushers as long as Daunte and Kitna held the ball. With Orlovsky under center the Lions would have given up 28 sacks for the whole year. Thats about average for the NFL. With Daunte and Kitna it would be over 60 sacks.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 8, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Move, Lions
After the way Chilly & DC whent at eachother, its hard as a Vikes fan to be unbiased & not spew some venom at Pep. That being said, I think he’s a bit washed up. He always seemed confused to me even when wearing the purple. I think your team should roll with the new kid & see if hes got some magic, ala the Falcons & their young gun.
Not a big Culpepper fan. Too many fumbles. Too much deer-in-the-headlights play.
But man, that performance vs. the Packers in the playoffs was sweet & I’ll always thank him & Randy for making that day special.
by Viking64 on Jun 8, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your question NL!2
Can he be effective? I think so. Maybe not consistant but with more O-line help and a coach who will direct him he will help you get a little better.
I think he has matured, knows the game better and after getting knocked around the last few years, knows his physical limitations.
Despite the 0-16 record I thought he showed a lot more poise in the adversity than he did his last couple years at Minn, with Miami and Oakland. Knowing the system better will help him this year.
Maybe enough to start getting the team moving in the right direction.
by CitrusFLViking on Jun 10, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
i thought he very well considering he came in off the street and didn’t have anything at all to work with other than johnson
by iseepurplepeople on Jun 10, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Didn’t go into camp with the team and that should help. All in all, I was shocked at how much more poised he was than the last few years we have seen him.
by CitrusFLViking on Jun 10, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Visiting with you Northleft
Most everyone is pretty good here. Don’t take offense to the "who cares’ comment..
I wish you guys well. Not that I want them to challenge the Vikes, but it must be very frustrating and as a fan I can feel for you.
Keep up the support for your team and visit us again. Everyone for the most part are cival as long as “trollers” don’t come here bashing. You don’t seem that way.
Anyway, hope you can have more to cheer about.
by CitrusFLViking on Jun 11, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for having me
Looks like this topic is winding down on our site as well. I have no complaints about any of the comments. I think I challenged a few guys over a few things that were said, but I felt it was mostly in good spirits.
Good luck to you guys too.
by NorthLeft12 on Jun 12, 2009 4:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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