Chilly's Giddy for Favre
by Anthony21 on Jul 16, 2009 1:52 PM CDT
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I previously thought Chilly's fascination with Tarvaris Jackson to be indestructible. The idea of separating the two seemed almost as impossible as separating Chris Kluwe from World of Warcraft -- just wasn't gonna happen. But if there's another quarterback who can give Chilly a giddiness we once thought only Alabama State quarterbacks could give him, his recent interview with Grandpa Sports is revealing:
Childress added, "I think [Favre] is a top-five passer in the NFL, and obviously if he has all of his faculties, if he can play the way he wants to, there is no reason he can't be that way."
A top-five passer in the NFL this season? I don't know about that, but hey, I can hardly blame Chilly for being excited about the upcoming arrival of Favre. He's getting a solid quarterback without having to give anything up (except perhaps JDB) and without having to admit that Sagevaris Jacksonfels would have been an underwhelming option at quarterback for a team looking to contend. Favre will surely raise expectations for the Vikings and put more pressure on the team than we've seen in quite some time, but he could also be Chilly's ticket to avoid the unemployment line.
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I'm having a hard time seeing him as top 5 in the last 10 years
Maybe in 2001. He consistently year in and year out is a top 5 QB when it comes to throwing interceptions. I don’t care how many yards he throws for or TD’s he gets. He will never be a top 5 as long as he throws all the INT’s.
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by NobleSavage on Jul 16, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK
maybe 2007.
"Skol pa fiskande"
by NobleSavage on Jul 16, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe?
Maybe 2007?
Please, explain to me how he could possibly NOT have been a top 5 QB in 2007. Give me the names of the five QBs that you’d put above him that year.
I’m sorry, he was probably a top TWO passer in 2007:
1. Brady
2. Favre
by puddnhead on Jul 17, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
p.s. also 2003
I can’t recall as clearly his performance that year, but he was definitely on fire at the end of that year (that was the year of has MNF game against oakland) an d I bet it’s almost as hard to come up with 5 names to put ahead of him that year too.
by puddnhead on Jul 17, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clarification
I actually don’t consider him a probably top 5 for 2009 either. But my point was that some here have swung WAY too far the other direction, acting like the guy has been dog meat for a long time (what this “last ten years” comment was). That just ain’t true (or at least, not proven). If you look at his last two years (34 games), and if you discount the end of last year to his injury, then I actually think you call him a top TEN passer over that time.
Jump all over me for that if you want — you can debate it’s a fluke I guess, but I don’t consider a 30 game stretch a “fluke”
by puddnhead on Jul 17, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
After the first 11 games last year, when the Jets were 8-3 and coming off beating the previously undefeated Titans, Favre was seen as pretty darn good. His injury and subsequent meltdown (which I view as separate things btw, injury or not he was going to drop off) sent him way down the QB list.
I’m not convinced he is a top 5 QB, but I do believe he is capable of it. He may not throw for a ton of yards this year but he should be capable of 20+ TD’s still (think of all the blown redzone opportunity’s last year). TD/Int ratio and winning % are what’s going to count.
by Cobra312004 on Jul 17, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all hinges on completion percentage.
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by Manimal on Jul 17, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that's true
then things will be looking up. even after tailing off badly at the end of last year (I think I read he barely broke 60% in his last 5 games), Favre still ended up with a 65.7% last year, in an offense he probably never fully learned. That was good for 4th in the AFC.
Considering that’s almost seven percentage points better than Gus got last year, things should be looking up!
by puddnhead on Jul 17, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have 5 names...
Tom Brady,
Ben Roethlisberger
David Garrard
Peyton Manning
Tony Romo
The only thing he beats any of these 5 players in is completion percentage, sacks and yards per game.
Otherwise they all beat him in TD:INT ratio, and QB rating which are more important IMHO.
He came close to beating Romo.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Otherwise they all beat him in TD:INT ratio, and QB rating which are more important IMHO.
I should clarify that statement was based on a max of 2.1% difference in completion percentage.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why stats don't tell you everything
Dude, really?
Both Romo and Garrard make your top 5 list? There’s hope for Jackson yet. He could be a top 5 if those two are top 5.
McNabb, Brees, and Palmer all crush those 2. And so does Favre for that matter. I don’t care what your stats are telling you, there is no way you take Garrard or Romo over Favre. I’m not saying Favre is a true top 5 but your list is full of holes.
by newmexvike on Jul 17, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d take any qb either of you named over favre. i really can’t believe people think he’s that good. he used to be that good. not anymore.
by iseepurplepeople on Jul 17, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you read the post I was replying to, you would see we were talking about 2007 exclusively.
During that year, those five quarterbacks performed better than farve in almost all aspects.
Would I take either of those vs a healthy favre? Probably not.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 5:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Ya he was top 5
1. Brady
2. Romo
3. Manning
4. Favre
5. Brees
I guess that’s what I’d say.
by packallday555 on Jul 17, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
People are voting for “Yes”? So, at most, there are four better quarterbacks in the league this year? Get real.
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by Manimal on Jul 16, 2009 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The poll is misleading.
I voted “Yes—the man still has it” thinking that I was saying “Yes, Brett Favre can still play at an NFL level.”
Not “Yes, he is right up there with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady”.
‘And the wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws’.
by SippyCup on Jul 16, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fixed the poll.
Hope it’s clearer now.
by Anthony21 on Jul 16, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still 6-5?
WTF?
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by Manimal on Jul 16, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poll questions with rankings are really not accurate
Some people will look at it as a Farve yes or know ignoring the ##‘s and others don’t really think about who else is in the rankings. I remember when the Cutler deal was going on Sirus NFL channel had a guy say Cutler was a top 10 qb, no question about it. The guy was just adamant that he was a franchise qb, blah, blah, blah. I called him up got through and asked quickly,
Is Schaub a top 10? Answer no
Is Cassel a top 10? Yes, the way he played last year
Is E Mannin a top 10? yes
Is Rodgers a top 10? Yes
Is Farve a top 10? yes
Is Romo a top 10? Yes
Is McNabb a top 10? Yes
Is Warner a top 10? Yes
Here his co-host stopped me and asked how many he was up to, I said 8 if I count Cutler and I have rothesburger, Rivers, Brees, P. Manning, and Brady left.
The point is unless people sit down and do the list, they will put 8 guys in the top 5 and 13 in the top 10.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 16, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
But some are very subjective. Cassel could be on some people’s yes, some people’s no. Warner? Could be the same way. Romo a top 10? Maybe. I can definitely understand the closeness of guys like that, but Favre? Come on. It shouldn’t be even close.
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by Manimal on Jul 17, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fixed my vote
I hope the results are clearer now.
lol
‘And the wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws’.
by SippyCup on Jul 16, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still pretty much the same so far, as Manimal pointed out. I’m surprised.
by Anthony21 on Jul 16, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which QB gets dumped when Favre joins?
I think it’s TJackson…
I don’t know the numbers… but I think he signed ‘cheaply’ didn’t he?
The Vikes went after Rosey and paid decent for him and Boots is developmental…
It would be crazy to keep 4 QBs… and I just don’t see that TJ shakes out to the top of the pile…
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jul 16, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What about Jackson says he is not worth keeping on the roster?
The fact that he has been steadily improving every year?
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at the QB’s in the NFL it’s really nothing to get too excited about. Tom Brady Peyton Manning and Drew Brees……big drop off.
It’s probably a safer bet to say he is a top 10 qb. Which is still better than the top 30 qb we have right now.
by dsludo on Jul 16, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bad news
… Still can’t “vote” via mobile.
That said I vote “no”. Sure Brett can still throw at the NFL level. However he is NOT a top-5 passer anymore. Nor would he be with the Vikings.
Does Childress really think the Beloved Purple will be top-5 in Passing, Rushing, and Run Defense? Does he really think we’ll move from the bottom 10 in passing to the top-5 and remain top-5 rushing? Even the 1998 Vikings weren’t top 5 in those 3 categories, and in my humble opinion our team, offensively, was much more potent then.
Rushing will remain the main offensive threat the Vikings’ possess. We need a passing offense, a quarterback, that can complinent that threat. There is no doubt a successful (we don’t need top-5) passing offense will make All Day even more potent a threat on the ground.
by DelawareBerserker on Jul 16, 2009 2:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
We need a quarterback that doesn't throw the ball at the receiver's feet.
However, we also need a quarterback that will last the entire season, and keep throwing the ball to the opposing team to a minimum.
‘And the wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws’.
by SippyCup on Jul 16, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and obviously if he has all of his faculties
I think Brett lost his faculties a few years ago. He’s nuttier than a squirrel.
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by peytonsthebest on Jul 16, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Come on, guys! Top five QB in the league? You’d take him just less than the likes of Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger? Almost half of you think that?
That’s just blind optomism. If this were two years ago, there’d be no way it would be this close.
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by Manimal on Jul 16, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted "No"
I don’t doubt there are some people that would assume I was one of the many “Yes” votes. But I did vote “no”.
I was looking at a list of current QBs yesterday and I thought Favre was right around #10 give or take one or two spots. He brings his veteran presence, which is a big intangible. But he’s not gonna play at the high level of Brady, Manning, or McNabb.
With AD the Vikings don’t need Manning. It wouldn’t hurt, but Favre brings a lot of what the Vikes do need. I think he’ll have some strong games, but I hope he also has games where he’s handing off quite a bit. I wouldn’t expect top 5 passing yards, that’s for sure. But he’ll be great to have late in the game when it’s close. He gonna keep the opposing DEF somewhat balanced in their attack. And I don’t doubt he’ll be a leader by season’s end. Being that it’s obvious he wanted to be a Viking and guys like Allen and Peterson are getting on board, I think he’ll be more popular than he was in New York.
by newmexvike on Jul 16, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you Manimal.
This is crap. See my post below. There is absolutely no way he’s top 5 material. I’ll hear arguments for top 10, but top 5 is total BS.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jul 16, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5??
I laugh at all of you “yes” voters.
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by TheViking83 on Jul 16, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Favre were not coming to Minnesota...
You can bet your ass this poll would be 95% “No” and 5% “Yes.”
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by Manimal on Jul 16, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's still not that bad
Top 5? Definitely not.
Top 10? Maybe.
Top 15? Absolutely.
by SammyG on Jul 16, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question wasn't...
Is he a top 5, top 10, or top 15 quarterback, though. It was, “Is he a Top 5?” That should clearly be an emphatic “No.”
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by Manimal on Jul 17, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to figure some of these Favre lovers
"Skol pa fiskande"
by NobleSavage on Jul 16, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre as a Top-5 passer! HAH, that makes me laugh in a very condescending manner.
Year – QB rating – Completion percentage
’08 – – -21st – – 5th
’07 – – 6th – – – 4th
’06 – – 25th – – 26th
’05 – – 31st – – 13th
’04 – – 10th – – 9th
’03 – – 6th – – – 2nd
’02 – – 11th – – 11th
’01 – – 4th – – – 7th
’00 – – 17th – – 20th
’99 – – 25th – – 20th
by Bjorno on Jul 16, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Add in the INT's
And you will really laugh.
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by NobleSavage on Jul 16, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ooooooh, I forgot about that.
Year – INT ranking
‘08 – - 1st
’07 – - 9th
’06 – - 4th
’05 – - 1st by far (12 INT’s more than the next closest leader)
’04 – - 5th
’03 – - 3rd
’02 – - 5th
’01 – - 4th
’00 – - 7th
’99 – - 2nd
by Bjorno on Jul 16, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this take into account his TDs per attempt and/or INTs per attempt?
Or is it just a whole count against the other QBs in the league?
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jul 16, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a count based on other QB's in the league.
But I can give a quick rundown.
In 2008, Favre had 522 attempts and 22 INT’s
The next two leaders below him were Jay Cutler with 18INT in 616 attempts and Drew Brees 17 out of 635. In 4th on the INT leaderboard was our very own Gus Frerrotte with 15 INT’s and 301 attempts.
That would put Frerrotte at number one in INT’s per attempt, with Favre being 2nd.
In 2007, Favre would drop a few places to more like 13th, because Tjack, Rosencopter and Brian Greise jumped ahead of Favre. Granted, it was Tjacks first year so it is not unexpected.
In 2006, Favre would drop 15 places roughly. It seems like there were a lot of QB injuries in 06’ as there are a ton of sub-400 attempt QB’s with rather high INTs.
Going by INT per attempt, Favre is more efficient than than the strict INT numbers show. But, it begs the question, how many TD’s per attempt?
Over his career, he is averaging 1 TD for every 20 attempts, 1 INT for every 30 attempts.
In the last 5 years:
2008: 1 TD out of 23 attempts, 1 INT out of 23 attempts
2007: 1 TD for every 19 attempts, 1 INT out of 36 attempts
2006: 1 TD for every 34 Attempts, 1 INT out of 34 attempts
2005: 1TD for every 30 Attempts, 1 INT out of 21 attempts
2004: 1 TD for every 18 attempts, 1 INT out of 32 attempts
That does paint a better picture of the grizzled old man.
If we go for his overall stats based on an assumed 450 completions we can expect 22 TD’s and 15 INT’s out of the old fart.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and last year we had 22 tds and 17 ints. this favre guy looks like a shrewed investment.
there’s no way he gets 450 completions in the viking offense. 450 attempts maybe.
by iseepurplepeople on Jul 17, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Attempts is what I meant.
I need to start proofreading my damn posts.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is based on career numbers, which means nothing when you have a 40 year old under center.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Likely, yes.
He will start out strong, and fizzle as the year goes on.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 5:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Bjorno
I guess we were looking at the same data… we have the same conclusions.
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jul 18, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I mean, I know BF is an INT machine, but seeing these numbers is astonishingly funny. 8 of the last 10 years he’s been in the top 5 in INT’s? And he was never lower than 9th in that timeframe??
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by TheViking83 on Jul 16, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
05 and 06
were not good years for the Pack either.
by newmexvike on Jul 16, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, and hell no
There have been times when I’ve had tunnel-vision in my hope that Farve does not come to the Vikings. In fact, I’ve actually started to come around on the whole idea (especially for some the the reasons that Elgar has articulated). But Top 5? Upgrade maybe, but not Top 5. If this whole circus it going to happen, fine. But’s let’s not delude ourselves here…
by Knut on Jul 16, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Favre is still better than a lot of NFL QBs...
but top 5? C’mon folks… would you have voted that way if he didn’t want to play in Minny?
In no particular order, QBs who I think are better than Favre going into the 2009 season:
Brady
Manning
Roethlisberger
Brees
Rivers
Warner
Rogers
McNabb
Cutler
Hell, maybe even Romo.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 16, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McNabb should be higher
McNabb is # 4 or 5. And your last 2 are big time reaches. Get outta here with that Cutler crap. But you forgot Palmer, the other white Manning, and maybe Hasselbeck (reach).
by newmexvike on Jul 16, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In no particular order
But other than that, you’re right.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E
by FarvaForTheVikings on Jul 16, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palmer very well could be better than Favre, as well as Hasselbeck.
But Cutler crap? A 26 year old All Pro QB is not better than a 40 year old Favre? C’mon.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 17, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler's true ability will shine through the next few years with your mediocre receiving corps.
But I still would not remove him from that list until we see if he can produce without two superstar WR’s on his team.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though it has been discussed ad nuseam,
do you really think that Marshall and Royal were superstar WRs? Do you think Cutler had anything to do with that?
We’ll see what Orton is able to do…
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by Dane Noble on Jul 17, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit Geaux…..
I had this huge post typed up in reference to Arizonavikingsfans post talking about the gap between Manning and Favre, then I saw your comment pop up and distracted me enough to want to comment on your post.
I hit “Reply” on this post to type up a quick response before finishing the other one, and it deleted my other reply.
That’s 15 minutes down the tubes and I am blaming it all on you.
There is no doubt that Cutler, Marshall and Royal all played their parts. Marshall and Royal are two excellent WR’s, and Cutler has shown that he can make the throws.
But he also seems like someone who can get rattled rather easily, and when he is not happy he likes to let people know about it.
I am taking a wait and see attitude. It really could go either way.
Cutler is certainly more accurate than Orton, as far as numbers are concerned. But it remains to be seen if that is due to receivers or Orton. Unfortunately, NFL.com does not track “drops” as a stat.
If we could see how many more drops there were, we would have a better idea.
I am basing my opinion upon what I have seen of Cutler so far, and I have seen a lot of pouting and tantrums. But then again, I don’t watch a lot of Broncos games.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol.
Sorry about the lost info on your other reply. As far as dropped passes, there is a website that tracks them… link here.
And another way of looking at it (if you are an analytical type person) can be found on a thread on our site. SackMan gets into the Football Outsiders’ numbers, and discusses the DVOA and DYAR. It is a really good thread, and is very insightful. You can disregard the actual FanPost itself… it was very long-winded and nothing much to look at. SackMan starts his breakdown about a third of the way into the thread.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 17, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
useful link
thanks! Is that an official stat, dropped passes? Seems like a pretty subjective thing to measure …
by puddnhead on Jul 17, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are a lot of stats that are tracked,
but not considered “official”. Drops are one of them.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 17, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I know what website I am going to be wasting tomorrow browsing.
Thankfully, it is suposed to be cold and rainy.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 9:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Rivers says Thank You
Your the first post I’ve seen even mentioning Rivers… I guess because I live in SD this may be construed as bias, but if Rivers isn’t a top 5 QB, he’s damn close, and much better than Favre will be this year
by San Diego Viking on Jul 18, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rivers is absolutely a top five guy, as long as he keeps on his current pace.
by Bjorno on Jul 18, 2009 12:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This is the way I see the list, in order. You could put Rivers next, but there are others as well
Brady
Manning
Brees
NcNabb
Roethlisberger
Warner
Rodgers
But I would not take Rivers over any of these for sure.
by newmexvike on Jul 18, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's actually been very consistent!
NFL ALL TIME LEADERS
Passing Yardage Leaders
RK PLAYER YDS
1 BRETT FAVRE 65,127
2 Dan Marino 61,361
3 John Elway 51,475
4 Warren Moon 49,325
5 Fran Tarkenton 47,003
Pass Completion Leaders
RK PLAYER COMP
1 BRETT FAVRE 5,720
2 Dan Marino 4,967
3 John Elway 4,123
4 Warren Moon 3,988
5 PEYTON MANNING 3,839
Touchdown Pass Leaders
RK PLAYER TDS
1 BRETT FAVRE 464
2 Dan Marino 420
3 Fran Tarkenton 342
4 PEYTON MANNING 333
5 John Elway 300
Comp Att TD Int att% TD% INT%
343 522 22 22 66% 4% 4%
356 535 28 15 67% 5% 3%
343 613 18 18 56% 3% 3%
372 607 20 29 61% 3% 5%
346 540 30 17 64% 6% 3%
308 471 32 21 65% 7% 4%
341 551 27 16 62% 5% 3%
314 510 32 15 62% 6% 3%
338 580 20 16 58% 3% 3%
5,720 9,280 464 310 469 62% 5% 3%
Completes 62% of his pass attempts (better than that avg the last 2 years)
5% of his passes go for TDs
3% of his passes go for INTs
All time leader in Yds, Comps, TDs… and yes, INTs.
Last year he averaged 32+ pass attempts, 1.4TDs, and 1.4 INTs per game
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jul 16, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How do career numbers make a difference in his play at 40 years old?
And your numbers show that 1.4 TDs and 1.4 INTs per game last year… well I guess that is consistant.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 16, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
consistency...
He is #1 ALL TIME in the QB stats that matter (+ Interceptions).
Look at the ALL CAPS players – Active… and the gap between ‘him’ and Brett…
I showed the last 9 years of stats to demonstrate his consistency
His averages the last 2 years are on track or better than his average over the last 9 years.
(although his INTs are higher than avg – but is this related to his injury during the last few games?)
And yeah… If we can count on our QB to sling 1.4 TDs and only 1.4 INTs per game… I’d take that!
We won on the backs of our running game and our defense last year – give me consistency at QB!!
He’s still a good (maybe great) QB at 38, 39, and eventually 40yo – better than our current group, for sure.
GO VIKES!
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jul 16, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will never argue that Favre would not be an upgrade for the Vikes.
But I also don’t think there is any way to say that a 1:1 TD:INT ratio would be good. That would put him in the likes of Frerotte, Bulger, Fitzpatrick, O’Sullivan, Orlovsky, and Rosenfels, who all had similar TD:INT ratios.
Would Favre be an upgrade for the Vikes? Yes. Is Favre better than a lot of NFL QBs? Yes. But we also cannot overlook other things either.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 16, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1:1
come on man, last year has an asterisk next to it if you are looking at stats to predict future performance. We are getting way too wrapped around the axle with stats. It doesn’t hurt to just evaluate the overall performance. Last I checked they don’t get bonus yards just because a play bailed out a team.
by newmexvike on Jul 16, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about 05 and 06 when he was 1:1 and worse?
by iseepurplepeople on Jul 17, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to break down last year for Brett – to look at TDs v. INTs and how that number related to Ws and Ls. I couldn’t come to a conclusion that those stats made sense when looked at together…
the Jets won games were Brett threw more INTs than TDs, and lost games where he threw more TDs than INTs.
The only thing that seemed ‘consistent’ in the last 6 games… they lost games when Brett threw 1 INT and 0 TDs.
I think this demonstrates the anomoly we’ve witnessed numerous times when the Vikes have played the Pack… somehow, someway… Brett found ways to win games despite his ability to throw picks.
Again… I’d rather have that leadership on our team than our current crop of QBs.
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jul 18, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course there is going to be a huge gap between Manning and Favre
Favre has 5 more seasons under his belt.
If you take Favre’s first 12 seasons(excluding Atlanta) and compare them to Mannings 12 seasons, Manning is the superior QB by far.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as always, have to view stats through the prism of the team
I wonder how much of Manning’s “superiority” is due to having Marvin Harrison that whole stretch. Just a rhetorical question, you can never know answer (in fact you could say in turn, how much of Harrison’s accomplishments was due to Manning). Favre had Sharpe, but only a few years, and while he was on the backend of his career already. After that you might say he didn’t have another elite WR until perhaps Jennings in 2007 (though a case could be made for Driver).
Also there’s probably something to be said for the fact that Peyton was a highly developed player almost out of the starting gate. Favre needed a few years of “polishing” by Holmgren and Marriucci to get his sh%t together. “No more rocket balls Brett” By the time Favre had it all together, Sharpe was done.
by puddnhead on Jul 17, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuses excuses. :0
I would say that the sudden jump in Harrison’s stats have more to do with Peyton being an excellent QB than with Harrison being a good WR.
By that I mean the first two seasons before Manning, he averaged 840 yards and 7 TD’s.
The year Peyton came into the league, harrison had 776 yards and 7TD’s in 12 games, almost as good as his previous years while missing 4 games.
The year after that, Harrison had 1663 yards and 12 TD’s and continued that pace until his decline in 2007.
Favre went from Sharpe to Brooks to Freeman to Driver and then to Jennings and they all put up good numbers.
I think the argument could be made for both that they made their receivers better than they were.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A case
Could also be made for Freeman. The Packers have had very good receivers for 20+ years now. Javon Walker was excellent for 2-3 years also.
by packallday555 on Jul 17, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proof Childress is a moron
I am assuming that the half of you that agreed Favre is top five are merely delusional due to the years of disappointment and frustration combined with the prospect of hope….you hope Favre is top five. Childress however is a professional and has no excuse. There is no freakin way by any reasonable measure that Favre is top five this year, or last year ( never mind all time who cares what he did ten years ago.) If Childress intended his comments to suggest Favre is top five right now he should be drug tested immediately.
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by aceinthecorner on Jul 16, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hes a great QB
but, definetly in the top 5. Im surprised in so many fantasy leagues he gets drafted in earlier than the last round, he doesnt even have a team!
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by The_Fan on Jul 16, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 5?
Depends what your parameters are. Are we talking about Passing Yards? TDs? QB Rating?
I seriously hope he’s not top 5 in passing yards. We are a run first team. All we need him to do is manage the game, and occasionally bring us back if we are down.
Can Favre be top 5 in QB Rating? Quite possibly. Again, all we are asking him to do is manage the game. He throws a lot of interceptions, but I don’t think he will throw as many this year because he will not be asked to carry the team like he has had to do for most of his career.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jul 16, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, but this poll is BS. I don’t like to be that blunt most of the time, by I don’t see how anyone can put him ahead of Brady, Manning, Brees, Cutler, Rodgers, Warner, Roethlisberger, Palmer… Take your pick. I would put at least five of those guys ahead of me. And I’m probably missing someone.
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Just say no to Favre.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Jul 16, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
They meant a top 5 in Inters,consective starts and giving up play off games.
by speedlod on Jul 16, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.
Well he’s number 1 then! :D
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Just say no to Favre.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Jul 16, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defending my "YES" vote...
Last year, the guy was heavily in the conversation for MVP until he got injured, and he still made the Pro Bowl, which I know is a popularity contest and he is living a bit off of reputation, but the guy still scares me. Nobody is expecting him to put up Top 5 passing yards or even Top 5 TD’s, but he has more weapons than he’s ever had, especially if you believe the Jaymar Johnson mini-hype… for all the $hit we give Chilli and the rest of the front office, they have put a scary team together. I’m not saying that any of his weapons other than AD is his best ever at that position, but the pure level of playmakers at every skill position is very New England, minus the golden boy QB. I’m extremely jazzed for this season!!
by ctowner35 on Jul 17, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Many are missing the point IMO about what Chilly said and why
Like a politician, pay attention to what Chilly is trying to do — not the exact words he is saying.
There are two ways to look at this: 1) he’s just saying what he thinks (how many of you are looking at it), 2) he is saying — his job is to say — what’s in best interests his team (how I look at it).
Think about it. What does Childress need to do in regards to the QB situation, in the final analysis, as far as most helping the Vikings?
1. Get the best player. Childress obviously believes that would be Favre, over TJack or Sage. As do I, and I think the large majority here (so you can’t call him stupid for that). Whether he’s top 5 or top 15 doesn’t matter as far as the goal of improving the team. Those other two aren’t top 15.
2. If he can’t get the best player (Favre), then make sure you don’t screw up your fallback plan (playing Sage or TJack). What’s the best way to do this? By projecting that you’re going after Favre because you think he’s really good, and not because you think they are bad. So if you end up not getting him (or you do get him & he later gets hurt), if you have to play the other guys, hopefully they (and rest of team) are thinking “hey coach maybe thinks I’m good too … just not a top 5 guy.” I don’t think you can call this stupid either — actually, rather smart IMO
You might say, those of you who called Chilly a moron for saying this, maybe all you’re really proving is that he’s smarter than you! ;)
Think about it, it’s the same way with Chester. You want him thinking he’s getting less carries because Adrian is so freakin’ good, not because he isn’t.
This is Coaching 101 stuff, folks.
by puddnhead on Jul 17, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the discussion is more centered on how many here voted favre a top 5 qb, not so much that chilly said he is.
At least that’s what I am doing.
by Bjorno on Jul 17, 2009 5:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No, thereare many post that state to the effect that this comment "proves" Chilly is a moron
And Anthony21’s original question was centered on his incredulity at this statement.
I’m just saying, even if he didn’t really believe it, it would have been stupid of him to say that, not this.
by puddnhead on Jul 18, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The majority of those who voted, picked top 5. I wonder what the vote would have been like at the end of last season
by LoveBoat1 on Jul 17, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haven't heard this rumor yet. Was reported by Charley Waters with the Pioneer Press
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers say they’re unaware of a rumor that they might be interested in free-agent QB Brett Favre if he can’t come to terms with the Vikings. Tampa Bay GM Mark Dominik
by dsludo on Jul 17, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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