Something we haven't seen in a while
by virginia viking on Jul 18, 2009 11:03 AM CDT
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PrintThe spread offense isn't something we're used to with Chilly and Bevel at the helm. But get this: the Vikes' offense might be so loaded with talent at wide receiver, that we could field a squad with both Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor on the bench. Shank can sit this one out, too.
With Berrian and Rice split wide, Wade and Johnson in the slot and Harvin in the backfield, an opposing defense is going to have problems. A dime defense (6 defensive backs) to cover those 4 (or 5?) wide-outs leaves only 5 defenders in the box. Try stopping Percy Harvin with 5 in the box. Or motion Harvin out of the backfield and dare a linebacker to cover him. Bring it, Lance Briggs. The four guys on the outside will test the deepest of secondaries, too. An explosive passing offense from the Minnesota Vikings? What decade is this?
Now, if only a fleet-footed quarterback could step up to the plate and add another rushing threat to the mix. Tarvaris Jackson, you've got the preseason to show that you're worth keeping on the roster this year--not to mention another chance at the keys to the KAO in 2010, after your rookie contract comes to a close. We've seen Farve run a spread very effectively, and we'll probably see him do it this year, too. This time, old man Farve might be in a purple throwback jersey when the green and gold come to town.
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I like it.....
a purple throwback against the pack.
this all sounds good and all...
but remember we are talking about the vikings. When was the last time childress actually utilized his players to their fullest. There was a reason why his fan approval rating was amongst the lowest in the league last year, and that the majority of viking fans want to see him canned.
LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!
Spread offense?
I don’t think so. I wouldn’t exactly call Berrian, Rice, Wade, Johnson a “dangerous” group. Maybe Berrian, for sure not any of the other wr’s. Rice still needs to prove he can stay healthy. Wade is an average possession wr, not a deep threat, and Johnson hasn’t played a down in the NFL. I’m not trying to be an asshole or anything, I just don’t see this working out, especially if Favre doesn’t come. There is no way Jackson could every run this offense. Against the QB needs to get the ball out quick, be able to read blitzes, and be able to read coverage. Jackson can’t do any of those.
Rice and Johnson have been working out with CC this off season, and are both healthy and should very skilled. Add Percy Harvin, Bernard Berian, and the best running game in the NFL and it has a great chance of “working out”. You do not give Jackson enough credit.
Or believe as you will which will make losing to the Vikings all that much more painful for you.
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by aceinthecorner on Jul 18, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok
Just because both are working out with CC doesn’t mean their “very skilled”. Yes, he is healthy now, but it’s easy to be healthy during the offseason. We’ll have to wait and see if he can stay healthy when he actually starts playing games. As for Johnson, like I said he hasn’t played a down in the NFL. He might be great working out, catching balls, but that doesn’t always translate to good play in real games.
Harvin should be mentioned with Rice and Johnson because he too is an unknown. He isn’t a true wr YET, and it will likely take him a while to become one. I’m also not sure what the “best run game in the nfl” has to do with the spread offense. Virginia Viking is talking about you guys running a 4 or 5 wr set. When your in the 4 wr set you probably pass out of it 85% of the time, and you pass out of the 5 wr set 100% of the time. It’s not like just because your run game is good people are going to put 6-7 in the box when your in a spread offense.
Jackson is ok in your standard I-formation but the spread? I don’t know. He struggles reading coverage and blitzes in your most basic formations. So could you imagine how he would be in the spread? The spread is an hard offense to run, which is why very few teams do it. You have to have the right QB for it, and I really don’t think there is anything to argue about when I say Jackson is not the right QB for it.
by packallday555 on Jul 18, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm... let's see
We have a Packer fan trying to tell us how to run our offense or that it won’t work. I think you should worry about who is going to stop our offense because it’s not going to be your new three-four D. Like you said your rookies are unproven, your LBs are out of position and everyone is learning a new system. Our offense is just opening up the playbook from what they already know. What’s a matter you scared? You should be… the Vikings are coming!!!
Haha nope
You’re completely off.
“We have a Packer fan trying to tell us how to run our offense or that it won’t work.”
Never did I tell you how to run your offense, though I’m pretty sure I could do at least as good a job as Childress does. In my opinion I don’t think it will work, or does the fact that I’m a Packer fan mean I can’t have an opinion. I actually happen to think you have a good offense now, and will probably have a very good offense if Favre comes. I just don’t think the spread offense is an offense that will work for you. Reality check…Berrian is the only one who has proved himself as a very good wr. Wade is a little above average at best. Rice has shown some good flashes but all his injuries far outweigh those flashes. Harvin and Johnson are unknowns right now. That’s two proven receivers, and basically 3 unknowns. I just don’t think it’s right to say you guys are “so loaded with talent at wide receiver”.
“Like you said your rookies are unproven, your LBs are out of position and everyone is learning a new system.”
Haha I never said that. I have said that I don’t feel Harvin is a true WR yet, and there’s really nothing to argue against it. He played slot back in college not WR. He doesn’t have his routes down, and doesn’t have great hands. He will eventually become a true WR but I don’t think that will be for 2-3 years. None of our LBs are "out of position, besides MAYBE Kampman. Hawk and Barnett are at their best against the run, and in the 3-4 that’s what the ILBs primarily do. Matthews Jr. played a standing DE in college, which is pretty much identical to a 3-4 OLB. It probably will take him a while to transition into the league, but that doesn’t mean he is “out of position”. Kampman’s adjustment will be a difficult one, but he did play LB in college, and at least knows the basics. He is very good with his hands, which is what he will need to do coming off the edge. He will likely struggle in coverage, but I don’t think he will struggle rushing the passer.
“What’s a matter you scared?”
No, you guys have a very good team, but I think we can beat you on any given day. We split with you last year, and lost due too a missed field. Next years games will be close ones, as they usually are year in, and year out.
by packallday555 on Jul 19, 2009 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Double standard?
If I’m correct you made mention that those who haven’t played a down in the NFL are unproven (Johnson). Well your rookies haven’t played a down or your current LBs played in this type of system but you want a free pass because it’s your team? We could argue/debate about this all offseason but the best thing is that it will be settled on the field. Go Vikings!!!
True
But they have played in the NFL and have proven themselves as good players. There is a difference between a rookie (first season in the NFL) and a rookie to a system (someone who has never played in a certain formation/system). It certainly will be settled during the season.
by packallday555 on Jul 20, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
A few things...
First of all, thank you, packallday555, for being respectful and civil. You represent your team well. You said, “Virginia Viking is talking about you guys running a 4 or 5 wr set. When your [sic] in the 4 wr set you probably pass out of it 85% of the time, and you pass out of the 5 wr set 100% of the time.” And, well, I disagree. You can run an end-around or a quarterback draw out of an empty set, no problem. I think Chilly would run out of a 4 WR set more than 1/6 of the time. This is where Harvin would really shine. Coming out of the huddle, the opposing team doesn’t know if he’ll be in the backfield or split wide. My point is this: with the field spread, and only 5 or 6 defenders in the box, Percy Harvin is a real threat out of the backfield. And though you’re right about the inexperience of our WR corps (not “WR core,” mind you), the dime defenses that the spread offense demands test the depth of any secondary. Brett Farve can run the spread, and can make inexperienced WRs look good.
by virginia viking on Jul 19, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions
In theory...
Harvin could start on the line at a TE position, then go in-motion where he could still play as a WR on either side, or take a hand-off as an RB, or even take the hike himself and wildcat it, while T-Jack runs ahead of him as a blocker. Lots of possibilities.. only, they’re complicated. Would the Vikings be up to that kind of complexity? I don’t know…
It’d be cool if they could, though! :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I’m not sure I’d really want to see TJ throw a block. I get the heebie-jeebies everytime he runs into the secondary and lowers his shoulder.
by virginia viking on Jul 19, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I was down on him in his second year because of that crap, a QB going head-to-head with an LB is just plain stupid. Like the song goes, “you gotta know when to fold ’em…”
But if they’re going to wildcat, the QB is going to be out there doing some blocking, no two ways around it. With Harvin coming to town and all the talk of the wildcat in Purple, it could happen, even if it is dangerous.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
QB Blocking...
Well, yes and no. They have to split the QB out wide in the Wildcat to keep the defense honest. Most of the time, I would think they would run away from the QB, or at least up the middle, so to avoid getting them injured.
How dumb would a coach look if he got his QB injured because he wanted his signal caller to throw a block on some defender?
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QB in the Mix
If you don’t have the QB in there, part of the equation, don’t you lose what’s arguably the greatest strength of the wildcat; evening out the 1-on-1 equation?
Yes, I know you want to protect the QB, and I don’t like seeing any QB get injured (the over-enthusiasm of my youth and the fury I held for Staubach not withstanding :) ), but if you don’t put the QB into the matchups, you might as well not be running the wildcat at all because there’ll still be an extra guy available to go after whoever has the ball.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Ah ha.
Yes, I see your point, but if you have one of the secondary guys covering the QB split to the right, he’s not going to make the play if you run to the left. Even though he’s a QB, if he takes off on a route, it HAS to be respected. All it takes is one pass and it’s trouble for the defense.
So it does keep the advantage; no matter what, you have to respect every player. If the QB takes off on a fly, the corner has to keep him covered.
Just in case.
I don’t think that would happen, seeing as it really ups the injury potential, but just one pass could change a game.
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Harvin is too small for the line
I dont think it would make any sense to put him in at TE he is just too small
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Not as a typical TE
Rather, as part of a 4 receiver set. Being in the TE slot would make it easy for him to go in motion to open up the wildcat options.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
True
I think we would have to have Chester Taylor in the backfield to pickup the DE in this type of a set-up. Taylor would be the only guy I would trust to make a good block in the backfield
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Good point about Taylor.
I think we’ll end up seeing a lot of 3rd down formations with both Harvin and Taylor in the backfield. Maybe Harvin’s motioned into the backfield, or maybe he’s motioned out. Expect large YAC numbers.
by virginia viking on Jul 20, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
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