Where Gonzo Picks a Bone with Pro Football Talk
Yesterday over at Pro Football Talk, Florio and company took a look at former Falcons quarterback Michael Vick and whether he should demand a starting job as he attempts to make a comeback in the National Football League. In doing so, PFT listed all of the NFL's teams and determined whether their current starting QB is better or worse than Michael Vick.
I find this to be a fairly ludicrous exericse, quite frankly. For starters, the Vikings' current quarterbacks are listed as being "worse" than Michael Vick. I'm not exactly sure why this is, to be honest. As far as the type of quarterback the Vikings need, Vick shouldn't be anywhere near the conversation (and, thankfully, he's not). Throw in the fact that I'm pretty sure that Tarvaris Jackson, Sage Rosenfels, and John David Booty have never used the words "rape stand" in casual conversation, and it's pretty ludicrous to think that the Vikings should be entertaining the thought of Michael Vick in purple at all.
In the bigger picture, though, here's the thing. You're not going to hear a lot of people say this out loud, but Michael Vick was a bad NFL quarterback when he was in the National Football League, spending all year with his team, going to camps, watching film, and so forth. Quite frankly, at the NFL level, Vick is nothing more than Tarvaris Jackson with a better PR team. Now, Vick has spent the past couple of seasons in a prison cell, and he can't possibly be in anything even remotely resembling football shape. He also hasn't attempted to read an NFL defense in two years.
(Okay, so maybe not everything has changed.)
PFT estimates that Vick is either comparable to or better than 19 of the 32 NFL starters. This means that, even after a couple of seasons on the sidelines in the Virginia Penal League, the folks at PFT think that it's possible that Michael Vick is an upper-half-of-the-league starter. I say there's absolutely, positively no way. I think the list of quarterbacks at any position on anyone's depth chart at this point that Michael Vick is better than is very short, and the list of starters he's currently better than ranges from somewhere between "miniscule" and "non-existent."
What say you, ladies and gentlemen? Is Pro Football Talk correct in their assessment of Michael Vick's current abilities?
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I've been saying it for years.
Michael Vick is an astounding athlete, but a below average quarterback. Never been anything more.
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by Manimal on Jul 21, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Great athlete/runner with a strong inaccurate arm.
by KC612 on Jul 21, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vick
held potential as a gimmicky, wildcat, drop back and run knida player. Lots of it.
As a quarterback, I view him as a total bust. I think everybody remembers that Falcons team that made it past Lambeau and into the NFC Championship game and thinks Vick is a great quarterback. Truth is, he was/is/will be a poor field general and to say that over a dozen starting QB’s in the NFL are worse than him is laughable. More athletic, sure… he beats out almost all of them… but better at the quarterback position??? No way.
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by TheViking83 on Jul 21, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Athletic ability.
And he’s 29 now – historically, that’s right at the age when runningbacks begin their decline. Who knows if he still has his scrambling ability?
What with the media circus and bad publicity associated with him, it’s not worth the risk whatsoever.
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by Manimal on Jul 21, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
29vs40
29 running ability starts to decline 40 still a great scrambler
two years away out of the loop take the offseason off completely rested
embarrass his team goodbye forever alienate two teams great guy
Truth they are both poison
by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 21, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a “total bust”?
i highly disagree. A total bust is ryan leaf. A huge bust is joey harrington. A bust is Akili Smith.
Vick beat entire teams by himself because they could not pressure him/catch him (think playoff win 27-7 vs the highly favored packers in green bay in January (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=An0h6xv9.vT4nb9VkKEdHI1DubYF?slug=ms-vickflashback071909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns).
Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene."
by HireMattMillen on Jul 21, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
thot this entire post was gonna be a lil one sided
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 21, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Vic k isn't a total bust
but you seem to think Harrington is a bigger bust than Akili Smith. That’s hard to imagine if only because Harrington at least has had a career. He started and has thrown 79 TDs. Sure he’s thrown more interceptions than TDs and hasn’t won many games but at least he’s still in the league after seven years.
Smith only got playing time in his second season and completed 44% of his passes for 1200 yards, 3 TDs and 6 ints. That’s as good as it got for him. He was so completely lost that he couldn’t see the field again for a terrible team and they drafted another QB #1 the year he washed out of the league (2003).
Leaf is the bust of all busts mostly because he was a deplorable bigmouth. But his stats are still better than Smith’s: 21 starts, 3666 yards, 14 TDs, 36 ints.
by Bodysuit Man on Jul 25, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pft
He’s going to have to start at the bottom (CFL?) before any team even considers him.
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by SippyCup on Jul 21, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Throw in the fact that I’m pretty sure that Tarvaris Jackson, Sage Rosenfels, and John David Booty have never used the words “rape stand” in casual conversation, and it’s pretty ludicrous to think that the Vikings should be entertaining the thought of Michael Vick in purple at all.
Stay classy Gonzo. And by the way, don’t assume that all of the members here are adults… you’ve got quite a few teenie boppers floating around too (referencing the comment made in the closed FanPost)
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by Dane Noble on Jul 21, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*lights* & *sirens*
Here comes the blog police, RUN!
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by TheViking83 on Jul 21, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 21, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I greatly apologize
for the travesty that is, my last post. Your insight is most obviously far superior to mine.
Please continue to dazzle us with your intellect. KThanks.
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by TheViking83 on Jul 21, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reckon comma splices are one way to prove, your point.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 21, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your intelligence
is beyond comprehension. Thank you for all you do for humanity.
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by TheViking83 on Jul 21, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best exchange in weeks.
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by Manimal on Jul 21, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not saying too much.
But I did just finally move into the 21st century and upgrade my 21 inch Sony to a Sharp HD Front Projector. Can’t wait for football season. And with NFLN showing 12 pre-season games, it’ll be all the better.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 21, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well done.
I got my TV a few years ago on Black Friday at good ol’ Wally World. I can’t go back. It’s too hard. Football in high definition makes me wet my pants.
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by Manimal on Jul 21, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While it may not have been the classiest way to put it...
Taking a player’s character into account is very necessary for almost all clubs, so I don’t dispute takings Vick’s past as consideration.
And yes, I wonder about the ages of some posters around here. Most are good to go, but some…you gotta wonder.
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by Manimal on Jul 21, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The yahoo merger was a doozie.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 21, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a dog fighting reference...
The whole “rape stand” is a device used to forceably breed aggressive dogs… I have no idea how that piece of information warps young minds…
by ctowner35 on Jul 21, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because, naturally, until Michael Vick came along, no one in the civilized USA has ever forcibly bred animals, controlling their blood-lines to bring out whatever traits they wished. All you have to do is personify things in human terms to make it more sensational. Michael Vick is a true pioneer in the field.
[in case it’s missed, that was sarcasm]
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by DCPurple on Jul 21, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know
i see where they’re coming from. i don’t agree with the 19 qbs but once he gets back in football shape he’s decent enough. if you take him right now of course he’s not better than anybody but he’ll have time to get back to pro speed as a backup somewhere and eventually a starter in a year or two.
by iseepurplepeople on Jul 21, 2009 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why the Hell....
..would anyone read PFT? Honestly. I don’t know why we’re debating an article from that sad excuse for a football website. A waste of time.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Jul 21, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I read it pretty religiously, other than the “Terry Bradshaw is dead” fiasco, they have proven themselves to be more accurate than BSPN.
by Bjorno on Jul 21, 2009 4:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i readem
solidly updated
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 21, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone two years out of the league shouldn’t hold the power to demand a starting spot. And he’s been out two years and when he played he was known to be innaccirate. The way to beat him was to play a contain defense and let him throw because be was terrible in the pocket.
by skolvikes on Jul 21, 2009 3:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Vicky
Yes the are wrong.
He never was a great pocket passer when his team needed it. His athletlic ability stood out from over 90% of the players in the league, though. He probably did nothing but work-out in jail and may not be in “footbal shape”, but in overal good shape, having sustained no injuries in over two years. Vick was and probably still is way faster and more agile than T.Jack.
He is still young enough to shake off the rust and get back to being a starter in the NFL.
Vick should find a team with an uncertain QB situation and be the backup, but #2 for sure. 80% chance he gets his chance to start before the end of the season or at least be the #1 guy next year.
A team like San Francisco that was in the bottom 5 in rushing last year could use Vick. Buying time with his legs would give guys like Vernon Davis time to get open. Crabtree sound like another good option? Yeah, thought so. They would have to get rid of Hill or A.Smith to do it but Vick is a better option than what they have now.
As for Vick being better than 19 other starters in the league, currently they are crazy. Let the guy get 2 or more games in before you start making statments like that. I know the offseason talk has slowed and been redundant (Favre) lately, but P.F.T. loses credability with statments like that. So over the top its hard to take them serious.
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by Cutler2Vikes on Jul 21, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"...having sustained no injuries in over two years."
Except when he tried to pick up that fumble in the shower.
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by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Jul 21, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny!
Nice!!! I got a good laugh out of that one!!!
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by BaldViking on Jul 21, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do I chance my name?
I initially put my name as Cutler2Vikes many months ago, before he went to Chicago.
Now its the stupidist name ever!
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by Cutler2Vikes on Jul 21, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You'll have to create a new account I believe.
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by Dane Noble on Jul 21, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, that’s kinda like getting a tattoo of The Jonas Bros on your forehead.
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wait
I just got that tattoo. I think it’s awesome!
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jul 22, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFL baby...
I don’t see how Goodell can reinstate Michael Vick this year. Let him play in the UFL for a year and give them some cachet of star power to give them some credibility. I would have no problem with him competing for a starting spot with good ol’ Brooks Bollinger…
by ctowner35 on Jul 21, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually disagree . . .
I think it would be a mistake for the NFL to let Vick go to the UFL and draw all that publicity. At the end of the day, Vick playing will generate a lot of interest for a team (maybe akin to signing a former hated rival aging qb????). Look at all the free publicity Farve has generated over the last few years for the NFL.
The NFL is a business and at the end of the day, Vick is going to be front page news every time he does anything. If he actually makes a comeback, it will be an amazing story. Amazing stories sell the game of football. Why would the NFL want to give that story to the UFL? Why let them become legit? How does that help the NFL?
I think Vick will be allowed to play in the NFL this year and I think he should be.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 22, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't mean I think either
one of the teams I cheer for should go after him!!!! Or for that matter that he is talented enough as a QB to start in the NFL, but he should get a second chance to see if he can play in the NFL again.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 22, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vick
Though I dont believe he can demand a starting spot,he deserves a chance to compete.Sometimes we take things for granted in life,our jobs included.I think Vick got caught up into "The I cant do anything wrong "thoughts and believed it to be true.He had some questionable actions leading up to his time spent with Bubba,which hopefully kept him in scrambling form.
Vick though not a great Q.B. commands the Def to put at least a spotter on him which in its self is an asset.He brings that unknown to the game,hopefully his time spent behind bars has redirected his life and goals.I believe he can come back and be a Q.B. just not this season.
by speedlod on Jul 21, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Flatulence
It’s unlikely that Vick is anywhere close to his old ability when he was still a ‘playa’, but when he returns (not if, but when), he’ll have something to prove. Should be interesting to watch.
We just don’t know if he’s any good or not, now. Assuming that he’s going be a crap QB though, before the man even has a chance to step onto an NFL practice field, is pre-judging him pretty harshly. Personally I hope he comes back and kicks major ass for whatever team takes a chance on him (other than the Vikings :) ).
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The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
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SKOL!
by DCPurple on Jul 21, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Demand being a starter?
They got to be joking. These guys are on some badly made meth or need to really clean out the bong water. While not a T.J. fan, he sure as hell shows more promise as a QB then Vick did or will…..if he is reinstated. He has been one of the most inconsistant QB’s Ive ever seen. Thats game to game. While I have no doubt he will be back in the NFL, I am sceptical as it being a full time starting QB. The only teams I could see entertaining the mere thought of putting up with the wacko PETA crowd and short term protest’s and boycotts would be 49ers, Oakland (land of the misfit toys), Cincy (Paul Browns memorial halfway house stadium) and St. Louis since that has become a major dysfunctional team with the ever slight possibilty of moving back to L.A. and Marc Bulger is no shining star, perhaps shooting. These guys need to get their heads seriously examined. Either that, or they just threw that out there to see what reaction they got. Hope they like being called idiots.
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by VikesFaninNM on Jul 21, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he could become a starter
There was talk that he was working with a coach on his passing in the offseason, but then all the dogfighting stuff happened. He has an unbelieveably strong arm, and we all know about his athletic ability. I think if he gets with the right trainer/coach he could eventually become a starting QB again. Oh and I think he is better then Jackson and Booty, not Sage though.
by packallday555 on Jul 21, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said!
I’d love Vick as a suppliment to a major quarterback but never as a starter.
The only place he thrives is Madden….
by SweetTea023 on Jul 21, 2009 6:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Felon
I could never accept a felon like Vick on this team.
by multi-lakes on Jul 21, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Never
The idea of Vick coming back to the NFL at all completely goes against Roger Goddell’s whole theme of accountability and public image for the NFL. How could they possibly claim the NFL even remotely cares about character if they EVER reinstate Vick? Please…
I undertand he legally semi-paid his debt to society, but come on. The guy blatently lied every step of the way and caved only after all of his associates started to line up to testify against him. Classy…….
If there is a GM out there that would consider trying to bring Michael Vick in to play for his organization he would need balls of steel to handle the bad PR. Hats off to whoever is stupid enough to make that move.
by MinnesotaRage on Jul 21, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He has paid his debt
With everything he owns or will own for the next 2 years,granted he didnt make it rain in a bar cause someone get paralysed,kill a human being while drunk,beat up his girlfriend or wife, have his girlfriend killed cause pregnant, get hooked on pain killers.
He fought dogs against each other causing animals to die,spent 2 years in prison for this crime.Granted he didnt tell the truth,Donte did and got 30 days in jail for killing a human being.
Sorry but I just cant see the justice here,I know its cruel to kill animals or pit them againts each to cause death but the life of a human being should cost more then 30 days in the county lock up.A family lost a father,bread winner,husband but no riot ensued over his death.Pitbulls died because of Vicks actions albeit cruel and intentional but I would rather see 100 pits die and that Father comeback.
What Vick did was wrong,enough of beating him over and over again for a crime he has paid dearly for.If Goodell is going to show anything for Accountability let it be with A fair and firm hand.Vick has been punished and to tell the truth I think in far excess of his crimes.Let it be and give the Guy a chance to prove himself,though let it be on a tight leash.
by speedlod on Jul 21, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
What Vick did was wrong. There is no doubt about that.
However, he did just serve 2 years in a federal penitentiary. He had to declare bankruptcy.
More importantly, he lost any respect he once had from his fans, not to mention his own family and friends.
He served his time in the pen. But he will be paying for his crime for the rest of his life.
I for one believe in second chances.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Jul 22, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 and I'm a dog lover!!
I also beleive in second chances. He has been suspended for over two years.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 22, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vick spent two years of his life in the slammer. If that doesn’t pay his debt, then you don’t believe in rehabilitation. That said I agree that as a QB is is highly inaccurate (as bad or worse than T. Jax), however his scrambling ability makes up for that (much better than T. Jax). He has won games based solely on his scrambling ability. Vick starting at QB is much like playing a Wildcat formation all game. The only thing that remains to be seen is how much he has lost by not playing for two years.
by zebano on Jul 22, 2009 8:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fort-Freaking-Leavenworth!
For dog-fighting. 2 Years in Fort Leavenworth!
The argument on the fairness of the verdict aside, if that isn’t paying your debt, I don’t know what is.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Jul 22, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't it more than just dog fighting?
The gambling aspects as well? Providing grounds for it? All that jazz?
He only just admitted to dog fighting a few months ago in order to get out sooner.
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by Manimal on Jul 22, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vick admitted:
Bank rolling a dog fighting ring accross state lines &
Participating in the killing of dogs that did not perform well in the ring
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 22, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He never was
Vick was a RB with a hype machine. His passing numbers put him clearly below Jackson or Rosenfels, and his rushing numbers put him below Peterson and Taylor. Everyone got excited because he was going to revolutionize the QB position, apparently by making it what it was when teams ran the option and wishbone offense.
Vick is a PR nightmare waiting to happen, and a wildcat QB at best.
by Cobra312004 on Jul 22, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the original assesment
that Vick was a bad NFL QB. He was exciting at times but his passing numbers were always among the worst of the league’s starters. Completion % in the low 50s, 2400 yards and about a 1:1 TD/INT ratio. Who can’t do that? But his rushing yardage and TDs put him above other QBs who put up similar numbers. The rushing danger alone would make him better than Jackson (if he’s still fit enough to duplicate that) but Jackson is a responsible adult and a team player, so he’s still got Vick beat overall.
by Bodysuit Man on Jul 22, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As far as teams who need him as a starter, I would start and end the list with San Francisco. Everyone else has better. He’s a wildcat option at best now.
by Bodysuit Man on Jul 22, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vick is a GREAT player!
I understand he is inconsistent but come on he’s worse than T Jack? I dont think T Jack is anywhere near michael vick. 1) He cant Scramble like vick and he’s just as inaccurate. 2) Hes only a wildcat qb? Thats rediculous everyone nows what the wildcat is now and cant stop using it for scrambling qb’s. Vick was making big plays before the wildcat with his legs so thats not the only way hes useful. yes he needs to work on accuracy. but to say his numbers are lower than AD and CT duh hes a qb his numbers shouldnt even be compared to theirs but hes so good you have no choice but to compare his scrambling abilities effectiveness to RB’S main purpose
by Purple jesus on Jul 22, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You say he's just as inaccurate as Tarvaris...
So why would you want him?
Michael Vick’s best use would be as a hybrid runningback/receiver like Reggie Bush or Percy Harvin. I kept telling my friends the Falcons should have started Shaub and had Vick play those type of roles. Obviously, it would never happen. But still.
Plus, I was at the Vikings vs. Falcons game where Vick scrambled, in OT, to win the game. I hated him before that, but afterwards I hated him with the passion of 1,000 gypsies.
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by Manimal on Jul 22, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I do remember that game and i am a VIKES fan but it still doesnt make him a bad player yea he can compare to TJack in Accuracy but TJack cant do what vick can with his legs and if we spent three years on tjack whos to say that vick cant do any better?
by Purple jesus on Jul 22, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You gotta be kidding me
First of all, there may be 1 or 2 starting QB’s in the NFL right now that Vick is “better or equal” to. Not nearly that high # that PFT came up with. Now, back to comparing Vick to the QB’s on the Vikings roster (not counting Favre). I would gladly take Sage over Vick, but I have to admit that STRICTLY skill and talent wise I would take Vick over TJack or JDB. JDB has proven nothing yet in the NFL and TJack is pretty nothing but a poor mans Vick. TJack has the same tools as Vick did when Vick was playing, the problem is that Vick is (or at least was last time he played) better than TJack at those skills. People that say the Vick was inconsistant have short term memory problems. TJack was “Johnny Inconsistant” and the only games that I saw TJack really go out there and play well were against subpar defenses. Vick had great games against great defenses. Sure, his accuracy was not the best, but that is certainly not TJacks strong suit. I’m not saying that I would want Vick on the Vikings roster, but just saying that its not too far fetched to say that he is better than most of our QB roster.
by Ron H on Jul 22, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
T-Jack's Arm
Maybe I saw different games from the rest of you guys…
But from what I saw, T-Jack’s problem was never arm-strength. The man has a freaking cannon for an arm, and early on had a problem with throwing the ball too hard for the receivers to effectively catch.
T-Jack’s problem was never accuracy. I saw him thread needles so damned small that I honestly didn’t see the opening to throw, and I saw him do this lots of times, not just once in a while. He has an eye for gauging the eye of the needle and delivering on target, and he’s wicked-good at it.
The problems that I see with him is that he can’t be accurate like that in a consistent fashion. One series he’ll be zinging the ball in there, honestly making throws that put my heart in my mouth because the gap is seriously tight.. and the next series he’ll be grounding the ball or throwing an interception.
I think that inconsistency is caused, in large part, by not putting a high enough priority on using his receivers. He might down-check but he’s looking at running as the solution rather than hanging in there to wait for someone to get open. Not really scrambling, but running. A scrambler is moving around the backfield to buy time for his receivers to break open, and only takes off downfield when all other possibilities are exhausted. A running QB puts a higher priority on running and if that gap is there, rather than take a little longer waiting to see if someone comes open, they head down-field. In the past, T-Jack was more of a running QB than a scrambler, and that needs to change.
If there’s a valid knock on T-Jack’s throwing, it’s consistency because the man has proved he has the strength, and he’s capable of the accuracy.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Jul 24, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vick
I certainly don’t want Vick on our team, but to say that Vick is essentially Tarvaris Jackson with a better PR team is ridiculous. There is a huge difference between the QB’s. One has 3859 while the other has 476. Granted, Vick has had more playing time, but he averaged 52.1 rushing yards compared to Jackson’s 19.
Please understand that I’m not saying that I want Vick or that he is far better than Jackson. I’m simply saying that to ignore Vick’s once-blazing speed and break-your-ankle jukes is a crime in itself.
by CaliVike on Jul 26, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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