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Brett Favre Staying Retired; Won't Play for Vikings in 2009

It's been announced on ESPN and by Anthony in the FanShot below that Brett Favre has decided to stay retired and not come and play for the Minnesota Vikings in 2009.

Yes, this should be considered pretty big news.  After all, this has been THE story of the Minnesota Vikings' off-season, and it has finally come to a conclusion that absolutely nobody expected.

Am I surprised?  Certainly.

Am I angry or disappointed?  Nope.  Not even a little bit.

Why am I not angry or disappointed?  Because the wonderful thing about this resolution to the Favre situation is this:

The Minnesota Vikings are still, with or without Brett Favre, the best and most talented team in the NFC North.

Lots of people won't agree with my assessment on that front, and quite frankly that doesn't matter to me.  The facts are the facts.  Last year, the Vikings won the NFC North with the combination of bad Tarvaris Jackson, Gus Frerotte, and good Tarvaris Jackson at quarterback.  And there's no reason to think that the combination of Sage Rosenfels and Tarvaris Jackson won't do the same thing.

After all. . .at last check, the Vikings still had the best running game in the NFC North, possibly the best in the NFC, and maybe the best in the NFL.  They also still have a defense that's one of the best in the NFL and light years ahead of any other defense in the NFC North.

Yeah, they have a perceived "hole" at the quarterback position.  Ask last year's Packers how far an allegedly wonderful young quarterback and a vastly overrated defense will get you in the NFL.  About 6-10, that's what it will get you.  If the Bears and Packers want to try their luck with that formula again in 2009, more power to them. . .they'll finish in the same place they finished 2008. . .looking up at the best team in the North.

Oh, and Pro Football Talk is reporting that the Vikings have officially closed the door on Favre.  Thank you, Brad Childress.

So, our long regional nightmare is over.  Bring on the regular season.  Viva la Sage!  Viva la T-Jack!  Viva la Booty!

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When you've been a Viking fan for this long

Optimism is all you’ve got sometimes. (-:

I’m miffed, too. . .but it’s more because we spent an entire off-season covering this stuff than the end result.

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by Christopher Gates on Jul 28, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way to bury Anthony's post.

And while you can boast of the 2008 Vikes, y’all haven’t done much in the way of improvements (unless Mr. Glass Percy Harvin counts).

The Bears have improved greatly on offense and defense… but we get no respect from Mr. Gonzo. Can’t wait for the season to start…

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by Dane Noble on Jul 28, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Gonzo has the optimistic post and I have the pissed-off post. So you can have your choice.

by Anthony21 on Jul 28, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

So sorry

That a couple of the main writers on this blog had the nerve to write something about a huge story at the same time.

Really. . .do you think you could come over here and not bitch about the site for 10 or 15 seconds?

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by Christopher Gates on Jul 28, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yawn.

On a side-note, all of those text messages and phone calls from Vikes players asking Favre to play is gonna make for some awkwardness at training camp, no?

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by Dane Noble on Jul 28, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt it

Maybe if this was Chicago, there would be problems. After all, we’re already well aware that your quarterback is a spineless, whining crybaby that hasn’t led a team to a winning record since his senior year of high school. We currently have at least one quarterback on the roster that played infinitely better when the chips were down last season than your guy did.

In Minnesota, the team is filled with adults that I highly doubt will let this affect their performance.

The Bears will be in the mix for a wild card spot, don’t get me wrong. . .just not a division title.

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by Christopher Gates on Jul 28, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lmao.

Sure bud. TJack > Cutler.

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by Dane Noble on Jul 28, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minnesota > Chicago

And Green Bay

And Detroit

Since you seem to be missing the main point, there it is.

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by Christopher Gates on Jul 28, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice.

The “Hahaha my team is better than yours” argument trumps all.

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by Dane Noble on Jul 28, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

10-6 > 9-7

Does the mathematical argument make you feel any better?

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by Christopher Gates on Jul 28, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes it does.

And knowing that 2008’s records mean squat in 2009 makes me feel even better.

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by Dane Noble on Jul 28, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Gbear

The Lions got barely beet twice lst year by these “powerful” Vikes so you should be scares. Notice the sarcam in my voice. It’s funny to me that these guys don’t realize that they are the Buffalo Bills of the NFC. Goooooooo LIONS. From worst to first! Roar till your sore! The franchise that hs the fewest “being #1’s” in the history of the NFC Norris division. And they want to talk smack. Hey Vikes even the lions were #1 4 times ah math lesson thats 3 more times than the Vikigs hve been #1. Goooooooooooooo LIONS!

by davis0169 on Jul 29, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

What?

Your post doesn’t make any sense.

YOUR TEAM FINISHED 0-16 LAST YEAR!

That officially removes any right you have to talk trash for a decade (unless the Lions magically win a Super Bowl somehow before then).

by Eric The Viking on Jul 29, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would take T-Jack over Cutler

Atleast Jackson hasn’t once complained about this whole favre stuff, and what did cutler do when there was a rumor about getting Matt Cassel? He never even returned any of his boss’s calls. You can have your stuck up qb and i will take the one that works hard

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by Grape Drank on Jul 28, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

He cant complain

the truth is if the vikings were to cut TJ tommoro not one other NFL team would even sniff in his general direction. At least not as a QB.

by Staleystan595455 on Jul 28, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahaha

Come on man. I know you hate the Bears, but I know if you were Childress and you could choose between Jackson and Cutler, you would not take Jackson. Take the blinders off.

by packallday555 on Jul 28, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Childress did...

Cutler was ours well before the Bears got him, but Childress pulled the plug. We had a deal worked out with the Pats and Broncos to send Cassel to the Broncos, our first round pick to the Pats and Cutler to us.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

Haha well then Childress might officially be the dumbest coach in the NFL. Anyone who knows even a little bit about football knows Jackson is no where near the player Cutler is.

by packallday555 on Jul 28, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

He was hedging his bets on Brett Favre even while he was still a Jet.

And yes, Childress is an idiot.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cutler??

You are making Cutler out to be this great QB but his value is over-hyped because he was available this off-season. I know he’s got a cannon for an arm and has all the other prototypical QB characteristics. But if QB was all about skills T-Jack would be the man.

Can Cutler do all the other things that you need to do to be successful in the NFL? I don’t think so. First and foremost, you have to be a leader. You have to have a leader’s personality. I heard Rodgers say in an interview that as soon as Cutler became a Bear, he started talking crap about how he was going to beat him twice a year. Sounds just like the immature QB that trash talked with Rivers. Leaders don’t stoop to that kind of stuff.

Cutler has not been successful for 2 and a half years in Denver, fact. Opinion, I don’t think he ever will be successful. Denver traded Cutler away. Brandon Marshall can’t do anything to get out of Denver. They wanted one, they didn’t want the other.

So get hyped up about this guy because he’s better than Jeff Garcia and Byron Leftwich. All I know is Denver had 3 years to get to know Cutler, and in the end they passed.

by newmexvike on Jul 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

TJ has more skills than Cutler? No.

Cutler’s worst season was rated at 86, almost 10 points better than T-Jack’s career rating. Cutler has kept a starting job and played all 16 games for 2 years in a row, and TJ has done neither.

Pure skills? How about the most basic one for a QB: the ability to complete passes without throwing INTs?
Cutler: 62.5% completions, 3.0% INTs
T-Jack: 58.4% completions, 3.4% INTs

Tarvaris Jackson is a better emergency running back/WR, but not a better QB nor a more skilled QB. If TJ was really so SKILLED, we would never hear about him needing more time to develop, still being a raw talent, or not getting it done.

by KC Viking on Jul 29, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cutler > Jackson in every aspect of the game besides running. He has a stronger arm, is more accurate, can read coverages, and has led his team to some late game wins.

by packallday555 on Jul 29, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...

Cutler hasn’t led his team to anything… except two late season collapses. At least TJack took a team into the playoffs.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 29, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh PACK

Yeah Childress dd pck between the 2 he chose Favre. Next up bring on Vick, Him and his dogs can have great ol’ time with big foot out in the forest. That and making it hail with REVENGE4FAVRE at the strip clubs. As I’ve already stated they are both to poor to use dollar bills, so they stand in the back and toss nickles at the toothless strippers.

by davis0169 on Jul 29, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

...yes i do hate the bears

they suck…but yes to answer your question cutler is better than jackson. after i wrote that post i was like I immediately regret this decision

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by Grape Drank on Jul 29, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You gave up the farm...

For a kid who’s not going to be able to handle life in the big city. I predict DUI’s and bar fights in Cutler’s future. And the picks you gave up (not to mention an altogether solid kid in Orton) will chafe at your bear nipples.

by Anthony Carter on Jul 28, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree...

And so does the city of Chicago.

The Bears have not improved on defense, if anything, they’ve gotten worse.

You got rid of any safeties on your roster worth a damn, did nothing to address the piss poor pass rush from last year, and your safety replacement plan now has to play corner with Tillman’s injury.

And the majority of intelligent fans in the city are worried about this. Hell, I didn’t even notice until recently! It’s been Chicago Sports Radio (ESPN 1000 and 670 The Score) that brought this to my attention. With a number of experts, the radio hosts and people calling in to talk about it. (For reference, I live 20 minutes outside of Chicago). The only thing the Bears did to improve their defense was hire Rod Marinelli to be the D-line coach… And I’m skeptical of that move, what with Rod leading the Detroit Lions to futility immortality. And yes, I know the argument that just because he’s a terrible head coach doesn’t make him a bad position coach, but Detroits D-line was terrible every year Marinelli was there… He should have been able to at least make that respectable if he’s so great…. And let’s not forget, the Bears D-line is not all that great, it all hinges on Tommie Harris’ health.

The Bears defense has not improved.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have enjoyed reading some of your posts Geaux

But your bitterness towards Gonzo is getting a little tiresome.

"Skol pa fiskande"

by NobleSavage on Jul 29, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not surprising, though

I built this site from the ground up, while this joker has to ride someone else’s coattails to get notoriety. It’s sad, really.

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by Christopher Gates on Jul 29, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said.

I’ve always been an advocate for Favre throughout this, but more than anything, I’m annoyed at how he kept us hanging for so long…and then suddenly punked out. He could have made this decision long ago and saved the Vikes a big headache.

by Anthony21 on Jul 28, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree but,

2 weeks from now, it will not matter that Favre waited until right before camp or would have said “no” a month ago. The Vikings still have 2 good QBs that will be duking it out in camp. I think once camp starts, you go in with the players you have and you wait for the best to rise.

I can’t believe Favre passed up a chance to go out with this Vikings team. It for surely would have been on a higher note than last year. He could have made it great, and it’s got the talent to be great without him, so oh well.

by newmexvike on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe you, Gonzo

…but I don’t believe the last word on Favre is out until training camp begins.

NO WAY did he go through all of this, including surgery, just to stay retired.

by KC Viking on Jul 28, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree but,

once camp starts, Favre should only be considered if 1. there’s an injury AND 2. you don’t think you have a starter. Well, maybe just #2.

by newmexvike on Jul 28, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

#2

That’s more or less what I’m thinking.

I liked the trade for Sage well enough since a 4th rounder is a fine price to pay for a quality backup (and he’s better than Gus Frerotte), but I’m not feeling great about him possibly being the best QB on the roster, either.

by KC Viking on Jul 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Total Buzzkill..Total FUCKING Buzzkill

The Only Way the Vikings can win this division is signing Michael Vick..I’m Sorry But the Bears are going to win this division with Cutler…The QB’s we have are just not good enough to Lead this team to win the division or do anything in the playoffs.

P.S…RIP Jim Johnson

by TonyO on Jul 28, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Pure Crap

Vick is not the answer. He is the opposite of what this team needs. Favre comes in as the unquestioned starter, Vick comes in as a backup with a name that’s easy to chant. Completely different. Almost opposite.

by newmexvike on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Finally...

A Viking fan who is honest with themselves.
I work with Viking fans everyday and they are already off the wagon because Favre called it quits…AGAIN.
If you seriously think TJack is BETTER than Cutler, you know nothing about football. Rosenfels? Really?
Good luck.

by Bearsguy34 on Jul 28, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

how many weeks will it take

for the press to trick Cutler into pointing out that Chicago doesn’t have the greatest supporting cast? Do you honestly think he’s gonna take credit for a 7-9 record? I can’t wait to hear it.

by newmexvike on Jul 29, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Try 11-6 and NFC North Champs

Now that TJack is down (again) I can’t WAIT to see Rosenfels as the starter in MInny! lol

by Bearsguy34 on Aug 1, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vick

…is more valuable to some other team without a great running threat than to the Vikings, who really need a quality passer first and foremost.

by KC Viking on Jul 29, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gonzo is RIGHT

We move forward without Brett, big deal. 10 & 6 didn’t suck. EJ is back and Percy WILL make a difference. Great post Gonzo.

by Duluth Viking on Jul 28, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions  

You Guys don't need him! Sign Vick!

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Jul 28, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Sure, we're the best

in the NFC North…. but see, the plan is……. MISSION MIAMI.

by skiumah06 on Jul 28, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Gotta make the playoffs first, ski

And, really, in this division there isn’t anyone standing in our way.

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by Christopher Gates on Jul 28, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree...

but do you really feel as confident that Sagvaris Jacksonfels can get us to the Super Bowl?

by skiumah06 on Jul 28, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how anyone is surprised by his decision to stay retired. This past week everyone got the hint he was going to the arm wasn’t holding him back this past week.

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by Zoxide on Jul 28, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions  

The best team in the division is the Vikes Packers Bears then Lions in that order. The packers underachieved greatly last year so watch out

"If at first you don't succeed - Skydiving isn't for you"

by Zoxide on Jul 28, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL R4F!!!

‘And the wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws’.

by SippyCup on Jul 28, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Glad

I said three months or so ago on this site that I wasn’t going to comment any more on any Favre will-he-or-won’t-he stories until it was officially resolved; I am proud to say I stuck with that.

Assuming that the ol’ Mississippi Drama Queen doesn’t begin having second thoughts about staying retired by the end of training camp, the issue is now resolved. In other words, this story isn’t over—bet on it.

Personally, I’m glad we don’t have to put up with this over-the-hill diva throwing game-killing interceptions for the Vikings this year—now the Vikings can move forward with Tarvaris and Rosenfels. (I favor Rosenfels.)

I am angry, though, that the Drama Queen From Kiln put the Vikings and their fans through three months of this horsecrap, and undermined the position of both potential Viking QBs in the process.

I am also a little disappointed with my fellow Viking fans who bought in to this hype, and thought courting Favre was a good idea.

by Midnight Rambler on Jul 28, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions  

When the Packers lost last year they barely lost their games. I’d take Rodgers over any other QB in the NFC North including Cutler. That said though the Vikings will still win the division. =P

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by Zoxide on Jul 28, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions  

all the qbs in the north suck dude. it always comes down too ST, Defense, the running game, and coaching. in this division. i think we can have three of those since two are already a lock

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by da2213viking on Jul 28, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Now that this is over..Please sign Michael Vick..I don't care about the Dog Fighting Crap..

even after 2 years in prison he is better than any of the crap QB’s we have now

by TonyO on Jul 28, 2009 6:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, some of you got what you wanted, no Farve

Now when the Vikings fail to make the playoffs or go one and done, we’ll all be left to wonder what if?? Darn, I would of liked to see him and AD get the play action going. Another year of 8 in the box every play.

Oh well, the silver lining is my Cards chances to beat the Vikings in December just improved.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 28, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Jeff George

is available.
Oh, and you can still get a Favre jersey for $16 bucks.

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by Dane Noble on Jul 28, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL

I wonder how much R4F is selling his Favre Vikings jersey for!!!

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by SippyCup on Jul 28, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Condo for sale!

In a posh Edina neighborhood. Will throw in several Viking/Packer tickets for game in Lambeau this year.

I expect to see a version of this ad soon.

by Odin on Jul 28, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

“Ask last year’s Packers how far an allegedly wonderful young quarterback and a vastly overrated defense will get you in the NFL. About 6-10, that’s what it will get you.”

Try substituting the word injured for overrated, and then your statement might be somewhat true. The NFC North is going to be a very competetive division next year. Every team has question marks, and it remains to be seen who has answered those questions. The Bears finished only 1 game behind you guys, and that was with a very, very mediocore defense. They got Cutler (he absolutely is an improvement, it’s just stupid to try and say he’s not), and they will have some key players on their defense back healthy. We will have 5 starters (yes 5!!) back healthy next year, plus Rodgers who should only improve the best offense in the NFC North. It’s going to come right down to the wire next year.

by packallday555 on Jul 28, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Its going to be competitive as ever, clearly. If you can’t get pumped about the NFC North match-ups this year, you haven’t been paying attention.

by Josh_D on Jul 28, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well....

The Bears defense has only one person coming back to it (that was injured last year) in Tommie Harris. The rest of those key parts have left, leaving more glaring holes than last year. I’m skeptical how much improvement they’ll make defensively with no real safety on their roster while playing a Cover 2 defense. It’s going to be rough going for them out of the gate.

As for the Packers, Rodgers does have a choking problem. I know he didn’t get any help from his defense, but he did make some glaring mistakes in crunch time. It’ll be interesting to see if he can get over the hump. As for the defense, that transition to 3-4 will certainly hurt them during the year as they adjust to it.

As for the Vikings, they have the same problem they had last year, a question mark at quarterback. They dealt with it last year, and went 10-6, with an even worse QB crop. I’d be willing, that, barring injuries, the Vikings will be the class of the NFC North.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

They also have Vasher coming back from injury. Payne proved to be a good saftey for them last year. I think he had 4-5 INTs, I’m to lazy to go check it out haha. Pretty much their whole secondary was hurt last year. Last year against you guys they were playing their backups because Tillman and Vasher were out. They also signed Tinsoima from the Rams who is a good player. They’ll be improved on both sides of the ball, it’s just a question of how much.

He really doesn’t have a “choking” problem. If you go back and look at the situations he had to win the game none of them were very realistic, besides maybe 2. The defense lost us 8 games last year. With us getting 5 starters back on defense, and the fact that we will still be playing in the 4-3 around 40% of the time, our defense should be much, much improved. Not to mention we drafted Raji who is going to be a beast. We will have by far the best offense in the conference again, and all we really need is our defense to be average, which is something that we could achieve.

by packallday555 on Jul 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

What!?

You think the Packers have the best offense in the conference!?

For the most part, your posts include some decent points, but that comment there makes me want what you’re smoking!

I would not say that any offense in the NFC North is the best in the conference… The offenses of the North have some great parts in them (Peterson, Rodgers, Cutler, etc.) but they are not the class of the league. The Giants, the Saints, the Cardinals, etc. are all better offenses than any of the NFC North teams.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha oops

I meant division, though we do have one of the better offenses in the conference as well. We have finished 2nd and 7th the last two years in total offense, and with a healthy Grant, and an improved Rodgers our offense should only get better.

by packallday555 on Jul 28, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Don't want to hear his name mentioned with theVikings again

I don’t care if we start out slow. If anyone dares brings up “Lets call BF” I will become livid as you will ever see me here.
And for heavens sake, don’t annoint TJax the starter right away. Give both guys equal reps and equal pre-season time. Let Booty play with some 1st teamers a few plays.
If they want it-earn it! The guy who wants it bad enough will keep us on top.
To the trollers- Eat --! Your still going down!

by CitrusFLViking on Jul 28, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Honestly....

Giving each guy equal time the past few years is what has put us in this position. If Childress had actually decided to commit to TJack last year, or the year before that, and gave him ALL of the snaps and made sure to attend to his development, I don’t think we would’ve even ever heard of a Brett Favre to the Vikings rumor.

I’d much rather they pick a starter and give him all the reps so that he has a chance to make himself familiar with everything, as well as develop into the leader of the offense. QB competition is a terrible thing for us.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets be real

TJack should just be competing for the back up position that is all. That experiment has run its course, it is time to commit to the guy you paid to come here. If you were S.R. what would you be thinking, first they bring you in say you were going to be the guy. Then it was you have to compete for the job"wink wink it is yours". Then the Favre fiasco my god I would be wandering just who the hell is in charge of the Asylum the front office is fu#$ed up.

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 28, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

come on!

you don’t trade a starting qb for a 4th round pick! you trade a backup for a fourth round pick. sage is a backup. always has been, always will be.

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 28, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

COME ON

The only reason he was available was one game against Indianapolis. Other than that he showed really good mechanics and decision making skills. If your treated year in year out as a backup that is what happens, you try too hard every chance you get and sometimes it backfires.

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 28, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

And...

We’re only having this conversation because of one throw in the Philly game last year.

If TJack had an entire off-season’s worth of reps, he wouldn’t have looked lost by Week 2, and if he didn’t get benched for the entire season, was allowed to develop, he would have known what kind of throws to make and/or try in that play off game.

And Sage is 29, he won’t be developing anymore, and he’s never been all that impressive in his career. For the sake of argument, he couldn’t even beat out David Carr for a starting job.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

TJack had that last year

He was named the starter early last year and was given the reps in the offseason and as many as any starter in the preseason games so do not even go there.

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 28, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you?

Yeah, okay, his play wasn’t that stellar, but the only thing people talk about is the interception. Of course, I still refuse to put the entire game on his shoulders, the defense let Westbrook break a 60+ yard screen pass for a touchdown, receivers dropped passes, etc. etc. The entire team broke down, not just TJack.

Let’s not forget Childress’ brilliant play calling, that sure as hell helped us get around Jim Johnson’s schemes (R.I.P. Jim Johnson, you were one helluva a great coach). The Eagles made half-time adjustments and whooped us, Childress ran around on the sidelines completely clueless about how to call a play. That whole situation was doomed to fail.

Also, TJack did not have that all year, he competed with Gus throughout training camp, finally won the nod at the end, started two games, struggled a bit and was benched for most of the year. He came back, rocked for a couple of weeks and got thrown into the fire.

Philly was not the inferior team either, they were hungry, they wanted it more, and they were better prepared for the playoffs. The Vikings team was pretty green when it came to playoff experience, and it showed.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Philly

Oh yeah they were great that is why they lost to team we had just beat like a drum with your TJack. This is like talking Favre with puddnhead

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

By your logic...

The Titans trounced the Steelers a couple of weeks before the playoffs, then got beaten by the Ravens. Therefore, the Ravens should have walked all over the Steelers, but the Steelers took the Ravens apart.

By your logic, the Titans were a garbage team last year…. Which is far from the truth. That sort of thinking doesn’t quite make any sense when comparing the play offs to the regular season. It’s a whole new god damn ball game.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only reason he was available was one game against Indianapolis.

one game cost him his backup job. he couldn’t even keep his back up job. a fourth round draft pick was worth more.

If your treated year in year out as a backup that is what happens, you try too hard every chance you get and sometimes it backfires.

maybe he’s treated as a backup because he is a backup. don’t get me wrong i think he’s a good backup. he’s no starter.

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 28, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was all that was available to challenge TJ

I’m just saying T-jax will do better if he earns it rather than being handed it. If he can’t earn it then maybe Copter has something to show.

by CitrusFLViking on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not knocking your opinion isee

but Sage has never been given a shot at starter. 4th round pick for a 31 year old is pretty high. So there must be something they believe in.
How many low round picks became good Qb’s? Well, Favre and Brady for two. Thigpen took over as a starter and did quite well, even if it was a bad team.
Ya never know.

by CitrusFLViking on Jul 29, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rosenfels...

Is not a starting quality QB. He was brought in to compete with TJack, to “push” him.

TJack had a chance to be good, but Childress horribly mismanaged his development, and he continues to now. I think you’re right, at this point, TJack will only ever compete to be a back up QB in the future. Childress essentially ruined what could have been a decent NFL career.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fear

Childress is a joke, true but if you really watch it was TJacks own fear and indecision that stopped his career not the coach.

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 28, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I DID

Here is what I seen. The Vikings tried to make him feel he was the man and each time they did he choked. Start of the season they bring in a veteran QB just for him. He is told time after time he is here for mentoring only. They give him the best RB in the league and the starting job. Two games in it is deer in the headlights bad. They replace him with the veteran. Veteran gets hurt he comes in thinking it is just until the veteran heals, and he plays great. Now he once again is given the starting job and a vote in confidence with a start in the playoffs. Does anyone remember what happened next, oh yeah thats right we get beat by the lesser team like a drum with him leading the percussion section. He looked like a little boy among men looking for his momma.

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

if that’s what you saw you didn’t pay much attention. if shank catches that pass against indy tjack starts the next week.

and don’t even get me started on the playoff game. i’m still seeing that in my sleep i’ve watched it so much.

i’m not saying tjack is the next great qb. i’m saying the jury is still out. if he doesn’t show it this year we need to find someone else. i think he’ll do ok.

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 28, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree...

TJack matured quite a bit by the end of the season, he tore apart the Cardinals defense, that proved during the playoffs that it could be dangerous.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree he showed improvement

but once again, it tailed off. He played well when I went to the Falcons game and then tapered off the last 2 games.
Seems to me if you toss some wildcat plays in there T-Jax could benefit. It is the story of taking an athletic QB who can’t check multiple recievers and make them a pocket guy. You work to his skills. Cunningham and Moon did well when they were allowed to utilize their athletic abilities. Seems to me someone tried to cuff T-jax back into the pocket after the Atlanta game instead of saying “look, that was good. You can’t live on it but now lets practice checking a 2nd reciever while on the run. Hold your pocket but if you have to go, check for a 2nd short range guy then downfield. If nothing get your yards and tuck that skin in and go down before gettin hit by the crowd”

by CitrusFLViking on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Equal Op-when?

T-Jax has been Chilly’s pet projest from day one. I don’t see him clammering all over Booty to give him opportunity to learn and blend with the system.
Ferrote’s opportunity only came when someone had enough sense to see Jax wasn’t “starter ready”.
A broken down, old backup, with fewer reps in camp leads the team back into the playoff picture.
That being the case, give Copter equal reps in camp. Giving T-jax most of them last year didn’t make any difference. It will to Copter if we discover the same thing happens with T-jax as it did last year. I hope not, but at this point he has not earned enough respect to give me the confidence he can be a consistant NFL starter.

by CitrusFLViking on Jul 29, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Favre tells NFL.com's Steve Marriucci

That while he will remain retired… He will stll continue to work out and throwing…..according to Scott hansons twitter

Folks… I don’t think we’ve heard the last of Brett just yet

by TonyO on Jul 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I wish I shared your entusiasm for this year

“The facts are the facts” you say, and then cite last year’s division championship.
.. acting like this doesn’t matter that much.

Well, then let’s look at all the facts, since you bring them up. We went 10-6, we did not get a bye, we got knocked out in the opening wekk of the playoffs. Those are just as much facts as those you console yourself with.

Yes, we have the best running game, but when was that last time that the best running team won the superbowl.

Don’t get me wrong, anything can happen. Previous superbowls have been won by teams with mediocre QB talent. Such as Ravens and Tampa. But I’m sorry, as good as our D is, it doesn’t approach the level of those teams. It probably won’t be enough.

Please note that I don’t buy that Vick is the answer either. I think the only answer (outside a lot of breaks gong our way) was Favre.

by puddnhead on Jul 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

What I expected

I actually thought there would be three of you though. The other two finally got behind the team we have which is better without the distraction known as Favre. Our year was always more dependent on the Williams wall then the QB situation. I know that Favre viking jersey was expensive but come on man get behind the team. I would have hated Favre playing in purple but I would have still cheered them on, to make up for his mistakes of course.

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 28, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I suppose there are two schools of thought

1. Those that think they must “cheer on the team” and wear rose colored glasses. Many such fans seem to believe that what they say or think actually makes a d@mn bit of difference to how it actually does.

2. Those that can actually look at things critically, without having their judgment clouded by emotion, and are capable of admitting to themselves and speaking what they really believe, without scaring themselves, and without being scared by the #1 type of fan.

I didn’t think Tarvaris Jackson was the QB that could take us all the way before Favreageddon started, and I never thought Rosenfels was anything more than a backup after we traded for him. But now, you are telling me I have to pretend that I never believed that, because for some freaking unfathomable reason you say I have to "get behind the team.?!?

Please, spare me that crap. I believe what I believe and will say it. You will just have to deal with that.

by puddnhead on Jul 28, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess you think

The league should just fold up now that Favre is not playing this year. Rose colored glasses are better then Favre colored glasses for sure.

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 28, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

puddnhead are you even a viking fan? we have a very good team. even detroit fans are more optomistic than you!

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 28, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes we have a good team

We have a team that is about as good as the team that did reasonably well last year, but both he 10-6 record & the one-and-done both said we didn’t have a “good enough team” to do anything more than become roadkill in the playoffs.

Are you telling me I should be content with a team that will repeat at that same level of “goodness?!?” Thanks but no thanks!

Yes, two teams have won the Superbowl with 6 losses in the regular regular season records. But only two. The ’88 49ers and the ’07 Giants. And both had quality starting QBs IMO (Montana and Manning), both of whihc IMO were the key to them pulling off what they did in the playoffs.

You guys can click your heels three times, close your eyes, and pretend lightening will strike for us if you want, with a team that is probably about as good as last year, playing in a division where every other team appears to have improved more than us. But I prefer to call it the way it is. If we are only about as good as last year, we will very likely have the same result as last year. A division championship may be good enough for you guys, but not for me. The shelf life of a RB in the NFL is often short, and we’re pissing away his prime years by not finding a better QB solution. He may end up just like Barry Sanders in Detroit.

by puddnhead on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

But seriously....

Our team is good enough to win the Super Bowl. It all hinges on eliminating mistakes on the offensive side of the ball. That means that TJack or Rosenfels needs to not throw interceptions, and put us in position to pound the ball away with Peterson (who needs to not fumble, mind you) and wear the other team down with our defense. Our team can be very much like the Ravens and Bucs teams that won Super Bowls with Dilfer and Johnson… If the team doesn’t make mistakes. Records don’t matter once you reach the play offs.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, our team is good enough to win it all if they play better than they have played in the past

But isn’t that true of a lot of teams? That is what I was calling the “hoping lightening strikes” approach to winning a championship. A lot of teams can hope for that this year. Hell, the Packers and Bears could win it all if they do that.

Someone once said that what a manger does is put the right players on the field, then if the coach also uses them correctly, the players will do the winning. Well, we’re not put the right players on the field. Not in the most important position. We didn’t get Cutler, and we lost Favre.

by puddnhead on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

"’Nuff said." ???

You do realize that you are only using the two counterexamples which I already responded to in the post you are replying to, right?:

Don’t get me wrong, anything can happen. Previous superbowls have been won by teams with mediocre QB talent. Such as Ravens and Tampa. But I’m sorry, as good as our D is, it doesn’t approach the level of those teams. It probably won’t be enough.

“’Nuff said” indeed! Our D is nowhere near as good as that Ravens D. That’s nothing against our D — no other D is as good as that D was.

by puddnhead on Jul 28, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, statistically speaking ... no

The overall team was better, but not the D. Anyway, if you are right or I am, it is irrelevant to my point.

by puddnhead on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

He just saw what happened when you guys made the playoffs last year. Your guys are a VERY skilled team everywhere but QB, and QB is arguably the most important position in the game. I don’t think Jackson has showed enough yet for you guys to feel comfortable with him, and expect him to win big playoff games. Sage up to this point is a career backup. He has some potential, but you don’t know whether or not he’ll pan out, QB is a very difficult position in this league. I don’t think you guys will have anything less then 9 wins this year but who knows.

by packallday555 on Jul 29, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best Favre news this year.

Im with Gonzo. I really didn’t think favre would help us any much more. Im glad we have TJ back under center. After all he is the best in the locker room being close personal friends with AP, Sidney Rice, Shiancoe and ray edwards

by FutureViking43 on Jul 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

He's no longer Brett Favre

He’s Greybeard, the Great Pirate of Hope.

by KC Viking on Jul 28, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Screw The Packer Trolls

Screw ‘em. They have nothing else to do over there—ever been to Green Bay? It’s a colder version of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, complete with foul odors and meth.

Let them rant about their precious twelve NFL championships, the majority of which happened before they were born. You know you’ve won an argument with a Packer fan when they fall back on that one.

The Vikings will be fine without the Mississippi Drama Queen—count me as one of the many Viking fans who wanted no part of him. The Vikings have a better defense than Chicago or Green Bay, a better running game, and adequate QBs. The Vikings should win the NFC North again.

by Midnight Rambler on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

lol!
Let them rant about their precious twelve NFL championships

that’s funny being that most of them were won back when there were 8 nfl teams and they played 10 games a year. it must be hard to win a championship with a whole 7 other teams as competition.

there are a few franchises that can make a legitimate arguement about titles, the pack isn’t one of them.

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 28, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on

I know this has been a rough day, but this is getting stupid. Now we’re claiming that Lombardi’s Packers weren’t great?

Seriously?

Dude, you’re only making yourself look stupid trying to say that.

by puddnhead on Jul 28, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

puddnhead is a pudd

I didn’t say Lombardi’s teams weren’t great, by the standards of the day—read what I said before you make stupid comments.

I said it is pathetic to see Packers fans fall back on championships won before they were born in an effort to ignore their team’s more recent struggles.

by Midnight Rambler on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

lombardi’s packers wouldn’t stand a chance in today’s nfl. you can’t compare. that’s the point. bringing up championships from 50 years ago isn’t really relevant to today’s game.

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

whatever

If they don’t matter, then why run them down.

And saying the Packers haven’t had many recent championships, when they have one & we have none, makes you look more silly than whatever fun you are trying to poke at them.

Seriously, a Viking fan poking fun at a Packers fan for not having many titles? I don’t know why you would even think of going there.

by puddnhead on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

lombardi’s packers wouldn’t stand a chance in today’s nfl.

True, but in their time they were spectacular. That was forty years ago, of course they wouldn’t stand a chance. Pick a team from a couple decades ago in any sport and they won’t hold up against the teams of 2009. That shouldn’t take anything away from them. It just shows how much better we’ve gotten at raising, preparing, etc., our professional athletes.

By making that argument, any championship won, including any that may be won by the Vikings, becomes worthless after a couple decades. And that’s just a ridiculous argument. Vikings fans should never start an argument about championships unless it’s with a Bills fan.

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jul 29, 2009 5:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

proudly displaying your fifty year old trophies when no one in the organization was a grown up when they were won is sad. that’s just the way i see it.

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 31, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha really?

So because it was a long time ago we’re going to just discredit them? So since your 4 SB appearances were all 30+ years ago can we just discredit those too? I don’t mean to be a “troll” and I hope that’s not how I am viewed on here, I just think it’s ignorant for people to say you guys are the only good team in the division, and you will win it hands down. All the teams in our division made improvements in the offseason, and the division was only won by 1 game. We lost 9 games by 4 or less points, a few more crucial stops and we could have easily had 9-10 wins. The division will likely be a tight race next year.

by packallday555 on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bottom line

is it is still black and blue. Ya gotta be at your best in this division. Even the Lions caught us off guard which proves you got to have your A game on every time. I still think the Vikes are favorites but when it comes to division. Be ready for anything.

by CitrusFLViking on Jul 29, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree you guys are the favorites right now, and you should be. You haven’t suffered any significant losses that should have people thinking your not. But like you pointed out the 0-16 Lions almost got you guys twice. Everyone in the division needs to bring their best every week, because anyone is capable of winning any given sunday.

by packallday555 on Jul 30, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're missing the point

this is a vikings blog. therefore, the vikings will take the division. hands down.

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 31, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

That seems

To be the way only 2 of your members look at it. Most other members feel the Vikings will win the division also, but not just because it’s a Vikings blog.

by packallday555 on Jul 31, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know none of you will believe me

but I saw this coming. Is it not the perfect way to attempt to sabotage the Packers rival without barely lifting a finger?

BetterLaettner

by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

My god, there is a god

we don’t have to watch that washed up cheeseball ruin everything that was good and holy.

What up?

by snakethejake on Jul 28, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

So… happy… yeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss.

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jul 28, 2009 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Not bringing up an old battle

but where has r4f been through all this. I was happy to welcome him as a Viking fan. But now I wonder if I was too quick to play devils advocate

by CitrusFLViking on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I think....

I saw him posting in the other Favre thread.

by Eric The Viking on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

"The Minnesota Vikings are still, with or without Brett Favre, the best and most talented team in the NFC North."

Aging Defense: Check
No starting QB: Check
Bad Coaching: Check

I F*cking hate you, Gonzo.

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Jul 29, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Then, please

Show yourself the door.

Oh, and the Vikings’ “aging” defense is pretty much the same average age as the Bears’ “young” defense. Good try, though.

If the guy that won the division last year is a “bad coach,” what does that make the other three guys that run teams in this division? Pathetic coaches?

Also, you seem to have forgotten that the Bears are no longer owned by the McCaskey family. The Bears are, in fact, owned by Adrian Peterson. (The good one. . .not the one from Chicago that sucks.)

I believe it was Ace of Base that once said “If you wanna leave. . .I won’t beg you to stay.”

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by Christopher Gates on Jul 29, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

What an idiot. I almost don’t want to share this little tidbit from Kevin Seifert with you about the Bear and Viking defenses, but I will, because it will make you look even dumber.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-12-204/Weekend-mailbag.html

Minnesota Vikings

    Defensive end Jared Allen: 27
    Defensive tackle Kevin Williams: 29
    Defensive tackle Pat Williams: 36
    Defensive end Ray Edwards: 24
    Linebacker Chad Greenway: 26
    Linebacker E.J. Henderson: 29
    Linebacker Ben Leber: 30
    Cornerback Antoine Winfield: 32
    Safety Tyrell Johnson: 24
    Safety Madieu Williams: 27
    Cornerback Cedric Griffin: 26

Avg. age: 28.2
Under 30: Nine of 11

Chicago Bears

    Defensive end Alex Brown: 30
    Defensive tackle Tommie Harris: 26
    Defensive tackle Dusty Dvoracek: 26
    Defensive end Adewale Ogunleye: 32
    Linebacker Lance Briggs: 28
    Linebacker Brian Urlacher: 31
    Linebacker Piso Tinoisamoa: 28
    Cornerback Charles Tillman: 28
    Safety Craig Steltz: 23
    Safety Kevin Payne: 25
    Cornerback Nate Vasher: 27

Avg. age: 27.6
Under 30: Nine of 11

OMG THE VIKINGS DEFENSE IS SO OLD AND AGING AND TERRIBLE AND THE BEARS’ DEFENSE IS SO YOUNG AND WONDERFUL AND AWESOME!

Since I’m feeling generous and benevolent, I won’t even point out that the Bears’ two oldest starters (Urlacher and Ogunleye) straight-up sucked last season, while Minnesota’s two oldest starters (Winfield and Pat Williams) found themselves in Honolulu the second weekend of February.

Okay. . .feel free to go back to drooling all over yourself or whatever it is that you do for fun outside of being stupid on Vikings’ web sites.

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by Christopher Gates on Jul 29, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lmao...

Got my “warning” Mr Gonzo. Although, it didn’t make much sense.

You have a lot of nerve chastising someone for “trolling” WCG with the way you act at DN. Since you clearly hate our site, maybe you should consider staying away from it for a while. Or I can consider it for you. Your choice.

With the way I act at DN? Seriously? Read up and down this thread, and compare your interaction with mine You call people morons, stupid, douchbags… the list goes on.

Class act there buddy. Seems more like a yahoo board, or youtube comment section for that matter. Keep flexing your muscles, and throwing insults out at people who want to debate. You continually come across as arrogant and elitist, and can have a very juvenile approach to your commentary. That being said, I won’t come back.

There are a couple of emails from DN members that I haven’t gotten back to yet, and I will, I promise. I’ve got a friend who will be at training camp, and want to get his first-hand knowledge versus just my opinion.

For anyone else who wishes to find some good civilized debates or discussions on football, head on over to my home site. We do a good job of welcoming outsiders, and have some very knowledgable folks over there who love to talk football.

Thanks for the past few months… the DN crowd has helped this offseason be much more tolerable. There are some classy folks over here, and I appreciate the different points of view. See ya on the other side!!

Be nice. Flag comments that you think are offensive. Use the "reply" button. Drink plenty of water. Compliment others. Rec (wreck) comments and posts you like. Don't call people names. If you don't like someone's comment, attack the comment and not the commentor. Learn the difference in your/you're, then/than, to/too. Exercise. Relax. Stretch often. Find good in the world.

by Dane Noble on Jul 29, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

That being said, I won’t come back.

Thank goodness.

I find it hard to believe that you “want to debate” when the first words out of your mouth in this “discussion” were

Way to bury Anthony’s post.

Yeah. . .two guys that write for the biggest and best Vikings’ site on the internet wrote a story about the biggest story of the Vikings’ off-season at the same time. Anthony just happened to hit “publish” before I did. Sorry to have inconvenienced you. Anthony didn’t complain about it at all, and neither did anyone else. . .gee, I wonder why that is.

Wait, no I don’t.

You don’t come here to “debate,” or anything even close. You constantly whine and bitch and complain about the site, yet you keep coming back. It’s pathetic, really.

Considering the way that people like you and ChiFan13 view the fans of opposing teams that come to WCG, I’ve actually been pretty lenient as far as your whining is concerned. But, if you want to crap on the site from now on. . .and, clearly, you do. . .do it from the safety of WCG.

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by Christopher Gates on Jul 29, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

thank god

bears fans are so gay

sugar + water + purple

by Grape Drank on Jul 29, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

My father and grandfather are quite straight, actually.

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E

by FarvaForTheVikings on Jul 29, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ragnar is gay.

Camp ifuwanna, we hold you in our heart...

by ifuwannacrownem on Jul 29, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Gonna have to second that. LMAO!

by packallday555 on Jul 30, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fans Trashing Favre...You All Make Me Sick.....

Well,here’s to another B-O-R-I-N-G season of Vikings & Packers Football…
I’m backing the Vikes,because the Packers will be worse than they were in their 4-12 season in 2005…

I cant stand that Pussy of a GM,(Teddy “I wanna suck your left tit” Thompson) and that excuse of a QB….Heeeeerrrrsssss Rodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rodgers congradulations…YOU SUCK THE BIG ONE!!!

by brettfavre4ever on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions  

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