Not Again! Favre Leaves Door Open

by Anthony21 on Jul 29, 2009 2:43 PM CDT in Favregeddon

There's no sense in asking the question about whether this is it for Favre. He said he was finished 17 months ago in Green Bay, and he insisted he was finished five months ago after leaving the Jets. Even he knows his gut feeling can't be trusted right now.

"Very unlikely,'' he said. "I really believe this is it. I truly, truly believe it's over. But if someone calls Nov. 1, who knows?''

This story from Peter King, along with Steve Mariucci's report that Favre will continue to throw and work out, has fueled quite a bit of speculation that we haven't seen the last of this quarterback. A scenario in which he approaches the Vikings down the road is unlikely but cannot be completely ruled out.

If that happens, he needs to be told just one word -- in order to keep the locker room together, in order for Brad Childress to maintain his credibility with the players, and in order for the franchise to display it has a spine.

That one word? "Nope."

Look, I wanted Favre badly. Like many others, I thought he was the missing piece of the puzzle for the Vikings. But yesterday was the point of no return for the Vikings and Favre. It's over. End of story.

If he changes his mind yet again and wants to play, it's gotta be with another team. Chilly's already dealing with a credibility crisis as he attempts to explain that he didn't really need Favre -- and if any word gets out that he might reconsider Favre, it would do permanent damage to his credibility in the locker room.

Favre can do whatever he wants, as far as I'm concerned -- but it can't involve the Vikings. If he wants to continue the waffling, more power to him. If he ultimately wants to play another season, that's certainly his right.

Just don't even think about doing it with the Minnesota Vikings.

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dont think childress is not going to let him in if he wants to come in..yeah right

by clones21 on Jul 29, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions

Credibility, Contract, Minicamp

Childress will get credibility by one way and one way only….WINNING!….
In an effort to get a contract extension, Childress is trying to put the best team out there. We all feel that the team is complete, besides the QB situation.
With that being said, if Favre decides on coming back after Minicamp is concluded or close to concluding, I would have to say no. If he changes his mind a week into minicamp, I wouldnt mind welcoming him. The first week or even two weeks is all conditioning anyway, with the QB hardly doing anything besides arm stretching and what not.
Favre did let me down by not joining the team. I do hope he reconsiders.

by LAviking on Jul 29, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions

You just want the Vikings in California

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 29, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Better off. Not allowed to reconsider anymore. He has given up that right by exhausting it where there is nothing left.

All the drama that would surround Favre if he did decide to play would be too much. I’m glad its over. Chilly has credebility having improved every season: 6-10, 8-8, 10-6. Maybe his consevative play calling had something to do with the lack of experience his QB has had.

Its now or never time for T.Jack.

GregP

by VikesPma on Jul 31, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions

The VERY latest I'd welcome him in

would be at the one week marker. Anything else is just retarded.

by Jepp The Viking on Jul 29, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions

Are you Kidding Me

You would really think that would have no negative reactions with the rest of the team.

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 29, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions

It would have negative...

The Vikings have to have a spine here and say enough is enough. If he decides tommarrow that he wants to play, its too late!
If they allowed him in, it would be as if he owns them. No player is bigger than a franchise.

GregP

by VikesPma on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Sage Rosenfels needs to know hes a career backup so the Vikings pursuing Favre should be a motivator to him. And Tarvaris Jackson this is his year this year boom or bust we can’t be sitting around until 2022 to see if he’ll turn out to be ok.

"If at first you don't succeed - Skydiving isn't for you"

by Zoxide on Jul 29, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions

Sage will be starting for the Vikes this year

by clones21 on Jul 29, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Agreed

Gotta be Jackson’s job to lose.

Any potential seen in Booty? Havent heard much on him since he was drafted.
Do they see him as a potential starter in a year or two?

GregP

by VikesPma on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Who Cares...

Let’s give it a break…

by Anthony Carter on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions

Hard Line Stance

At first, I was with you. I think it stinks if he’s gonna skip camp and then waltz in once the preseason is half way through. But when does it become unacceptable? What if he changes his mind on this Sunday?

I think you have to look at the whole thing, when and if it were to happen. If both your QBs look mediocre and it’s soon enough in camp, I wouldn’t get mad if Chilly pulled the trigger. And it should be his right, if the Vikings don’t go deep in the playoffs, he’s probably done.

I don’t think I can honestly form an opinion because there are too many unknown variables. And let’s say Favre calls in two weeks, there are only a few people who can say where the other two QBs are at success wise.

I really would prefer Favre would have come in from day one and if he couldn’t hack it, put him on the PUP list if that’s the way it is. But in the end, if he makes the team better, you’d be dumb not to do it. Will he make the team better coming in during week 4? I would hope not. But I’m not ready to say either way until the facts present themselves.

Long live R4F!

by newmexvike on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions

Just sell the Jersey

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 29, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions

I seem to remember having this discussion but,

There is only one jersey # I have plunked cash for, I’ll give you one guess (hint: it’s the most popular # at the stadium).

But if I were to buy a second jersey, it would be #69. And, yeah 69 is a weird #, but especially after this last week, he has become my second favorite Viking. Everything he has said about Favre, speaks to the way I feel about the QB situation (I don’t know if he prefers #7 or #2). I have a lot of respect for him to give an honest opinion that makes sense. KC made a huge mistake letting him go.

And after 28 and 69, I still would have gotten a # 93, 56, 26, 18, 76, or 29 before I got a #4. I posted this list a couple months ago on this site.

I don’t see Favre as a superstar today. He’s old. But, he can still play at a high level. He would have been an above average QB on an outstanding team. Hopefully we get an above average performance from either Sage or Jackson. Anyone who claims to know how that will go, is fooling themselves. It is way to hard to say for sure. That’s the only thing that makes Favre appealing, is that you can be fairly certain it would have been enough. And I’m hopeful Sage will do that too.

In my opinion, if the Vikings had a top 15 QB last year, they would have dominated a very soft NFC field in the playoffs. They have all the big hitters back again this year. Logic would tell me that a top 15 QB would look pretty good this year in Purple. We MIGHT have one right now. It’s not a slight on Sage or Jackson (although I’m somewhat convinced THIS year will not be the year Jackson breaks that threshold, whether he plays or not) it’s just a fact that they have not proven that level of play yet.

by newmexvike on Jul 29, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions

no #4

hey its too bad. I was looking for big things this year from the Vikes. Hope they still put together a winning season

How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON

by 4 where-ever on Jul 29, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions

What Favre is really up to...

Apparently Brett Farve is going to keep throwing in college and is looking to be the first NFL player to be drafted twice. The only question now is will he go after his junior year or will he go all the way and wait until after his senior year! J/K

by DaWumpus on Jul 29, 2009 5:47 PM CDT reply actions

Chilly

will alienate the entire team (mostly offense) if he let’s him on the team after the season starts.

I prefer to remember him like this…

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

by propheteer on Jul 29, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions

ditto

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Jul 29, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions

I hope Brett still plays for the Vikings...i really do..Bury the Packers..Bust them up!!!!

Screw all those Packers fans..Rodgers is gonna roll craps this season..nothing more than 8-8 folks (i’m personally hoping for a 2-14 season)…Yes,i am a Breet Favre fan & proud of it…..And if Brett wants to play for the vikes,Zygi Wulf will let him in…Childress be dammed…
Childress always looks like hes gonna choke..

Amd wheter or not Brett plays for the Vikings,i want a #4 jersey!!!!
(The Packers Suck The Big One)

by brettfavre4ever on Jul 30, 2009 2:17 AM CDT reply actions

You know how this is going to work, don't you?

Expect one of the QBs to wind up on IR. More than likely it will be Booty, but Jackson does seem to get hurt an awful lot. At least once a season so far. Anyways, one of them will go on IR, and the team will feel it needs a third QB on the roster, so they’ll call Favre who’ll be more than happy to show up and just play, like Vinny Testevarde did.

by Frost on Jul 30, 2009 7:39 AM CDT reply actions

jackson was hurt once in his second season.

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 30, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions

At least 3x according to Pro-Football-Reference.com

According to Pro-Football-Reference.com:

1 Sun September 9, 2007 W Minnesota Vikings Atlanta Falcons 24 3
2 Sun September 16, 2007 L Minnesota Vikings @ Detroit Lions 17 20
3 Sun October 14, 2007 W Minnesota Vikings @ Chicago Bears 34 31
4 Sun October 21, 2007 L Minnesota Vikings @ Dallas Cowboys 14 24
5 Sun November 4, 2007 W Minnesota Vikings San Diego Chargers 35 17
6 Sun November 18, 2007 W Minnesota Vikings Oakland Raiders 29 22
7 Sun November 25, 2007 W Minnesota Vikings @ New York Giants 41 17
8 Sun December 2, 2007 W Minnesota Vikings Detroit Lions 42 10
9 Sun December 9, 2007 W Minnesota Vikings @ San Francisco 49ers 27 7
10 Mon December 17, 2007 W Minnesota Vikings Chicago Bears 20 13
11 Sun December 23, 2007 L Minnesota Vikings Washington Redskins 21 32
12 Sun December 30, 2007 L Minnesota Vikings @ Denver Broncos 19 22

Oct 7 was the Vikings’ bye week.

TJ was injured during the week 2 loss vs. the Lions, so he missed 2.5 games in September, the October 28th game vs. the Eagles (too bad Chilly didn’t get to show off his new McNabb vs. the good ol’ McNabb), and the November 11th game vs. Green Bay.

by KC Viking on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions

time to move on

It’s time for the team to move on without Favre – who wants a player who can’t decide if he wants to play? So much for having any passion for the game and wanting to win. What will he do when the going gets tough? Go home?

I can’t see Chilly passing on him thoug because Chilly knows he has to have a good season to keep his job.

The only worse move would be Vick who isn’t even a real QB – he’s just a RB who can throw the ball a little.

by ZakInOmaha on Jul 30, 2009 8:08 AM CDT reply actions

This was really about 2 things

1) MONEY: Favre had reportedly been in a dispute over his offer of $10M/1yr. He probably wanted $12-14M with an option for a 2nd year. Never mind that he’s loaded beyond our imaginations anyway, but this would have made up for some of his feeling less than stellar about playing again (something he had mentioned, more or less). This is really a ploy to make the Vikings nervous enough to cough up more cash for him by insinuating that some other team might want him.

2) HATRED OF TRAINING CAMP: Most older players despise training camps and minicamps because of the risk of injuring themselves for the sake of practices (queue Allen Iverson) rather than real games that matter. He probably doesn’t feel as though he has anything to learn. He didn’t join the Jets until the preseason was underway last year, so why would a living legend like him report to camp any earlier than that this year?

Personally, I don’t think this story will truly end until the 4th preseason game begins, and then it’s only about 80% over. With the first 4-5 regular season games vs. easy opponents, any losses will start the QB carousel, and Favre could still get the call, especially if TJ can’t stay healthy again and continues to fumble at least as often as Daunte Culpepper.

by KC Viking on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions

You’re fooling yourself if you think this will end at point during the season, unless Favre signs with a team, people will want to know all year. Just like Rogers never quit hearing about the comparisons to Favre, which are still ongoing.

I want to know where you heard it was about money. I find that hard to believe. Everyone likes money and no one wants to think someone is stealing from them. But I find it hard to believe $2-4 million would have been hard to compromise on. You’re talking about 2 guys that have plenty.

by newmexvike on Jul 30, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions

especially when

the same guy turned down 20mil to not play

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 30, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions

That was a long time ago.

by KC Viking on Jul 31, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions

yeah waaaaaaay back last year….

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions

Considering how often Favre changes his mind, a year is a LONGGGGG time.

And it was $25M to be a front office guy and never play again, but half of his reason for turning that down was that he refused to help Ted Thompson in any way other than being the starting QB.

by KC Viking on Jul 31, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions

right, so it’s not about the money.

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions

see below

It’s just as much about respect and a grudge with Ted Thompson. At the same time, maybe he regrets turning down $25M to never play again and work in the front office now and wants a top-10 starting QB salary to make up for some of that.

by KC Viking on Jul 31, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions

so, it is about the money?

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 31, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions

As I’d originally said, YES, the amount of money in the contract probably had a lot to do with his decision…not necessarily money for money’s sake so much as money to show some respect to how great he thinks he is (and hopefully would have been had he signed, but not so much now that he’s probably never going to suit up in purple and gold).

by KC Viking on Jul 31, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

so it’s about respect and respect = money?

by iseepurplepeople on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions

$$,$$$,$$$ = respect

Sure, Favre could take a $2-4M deal with all of his money, but then he would be implying that he is worth 1/6 of Matt Cassell or something. I did not read a single report which outright said that Favre disagreed mostly over money, but the $10M figure reported recently would have been $2M less than he earned last year, good for 7th last year plus $2-3M less than Matt Cassell this year. I believe that Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford, and Mark Sanchez each earned more than $10M/yr, on average, with their big contracts, too (thus pushing Favre out of the top 10 this year). To take those hits as a 40yo man probably takes a few million. I imagine that the VIkes were willing to offer more, but did the customary deal of not offering all of it at once. I also imagine the Vikes offering more through incentives, but that wasn’t attractive to the waffling Favre.

Throughout his career, Favre has negotiated big contracts for respect and re-neged for cap room to sign better players. Tony Gonzalez was the same way in KC. Most athletes are like that anymore (except for the taking a cut to accommodate free agents—there are some pricks who never do).

by KC Viking on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions

Screw Favre

Screw Favre—screw him with a handful of sand and no vaseline.

I didn’t want this over-the-hill diva on the Vikings three months ago, I don’t want him now, and I don’t want him November 1. He is a huge distraction, his best years are behind him, we heard from the Jets about what his teammates thought of his me-first attitude, and we saw what his on-field performance did for the Jets.

To even think about taking him on now, after stringing Minnesota along for three months while completely under-cutting Rosenfels and Jackson in the process, would be stupidity tainted with desparation on a massive scale for Chili-dog. That’s why, by October 1, I expect to hear plenty of planted rumors about the ol’ Mississippi Douchebag considering un-un-un-un-un-un-retiring to play for the Vikings, followed by Childress getting down on his knees to play Lewinski to Favre’s Slick Willy.

by Midnight Rambler on Jul 30, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions

Favre

I have nothing against Favre, but I agree, he’s over-the-hill and not worth the drama of getting him. Why can’t the Vikings draft a QB (not T-Jack), sign a veteran that can play the position for a few years and then hand the ball over to a young QB that the Vikings could have for years to come? I understand this is easier said than done, but we could at least try. It would be better than going back to the T-Jack well that we all know doesn’t produce a lot of water. http://firedavidkahn.wordpress.com/

by firedavidkahn on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions