MSN ranks Vikes RB's 2nd overall??
Really?? How can they put the Vikes in the second spot behind the PANTHERS!! Okay let me try and figure this out. Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor or DeAngelo Williams and Johnathan Stewart. I know they rank all of the RB's and I am sure that factored into the final ranking. I have to say I am obviously a huge Vikings fan but you cant tell me that if a team had there choice of any backs in the league they would take the Panthers RB's over the Vikes.
Am I the only one a little confused by this??
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people tend to forget that Chester Taylor was a 1000-yard rusher before we drafted Adrian Peterson. Chester would probably be a featured back on any other team.
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by thewild_viking_twins on Jul 30, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Football Outsiders had ranked Chester as the 33rd best RB in 2006 based on DYAR. He ranked 35th by that measure in 2008 (also interesting: AP was only 17th while Mewelde Moore was 14th).
1,000 yards isn’t much of a milestone since the expansion from 14 to 16 games unless it is reached for more consecutive years than the average career length for a RB.
by KC Viking on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those stats are garbage
and Chester ran for over 1200 not just 1000.
http://vikingsmashfootball.wordpress.com/
by BeardedAxe on Jul 30, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you understand them?
The fact that you call them garbage hints that you don’t.
by KC Viking on Jul 31, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I am not condescending enough
to understand those amazingly complex statistics. They are just as arbitrary as any other stat. They only tell a small part of the story. Any rankings that put a part time 500-600 yard RB above the season rushing leader obviously has some huge flaws.
You should keep clinging to them. Especially if they support your fickle view of the Vikings.
http://vikingsmashfootball.wordpress.com/
by BeardedAxe on Aug 4, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"any other team"?
Unless it was Carolina, San Diego, Atlanta, Chicago, Jacksonville, Oakland, NYG&J, San Fran, Pittsburgh…
Chester is good but lets not over-rate him.
GregP
by VikesPma on Jul 30, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll list team he would start for.
Buffalo due too legal issues; Jet’s I’m not a fan of Jones; Ravens Bengals Browns; K.C; Possibly GB; The buck’s;Cardinals and last of all Seattle. That’s it no more no less.
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y NOT A FAN OF JONES
YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY HE NO LONGER RUNS ALL OVER YOUR SH!T DEFENSE
by REVENGE4ORTON on Jul 30, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You did get banned didn't you!
You got banned on your own site and now you changed your name and are going to try and brig it somemore.
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALLOW ME TOO INTRODUCE
the troll formerly known as REVENGE4FAVRE!
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add
Patriots, Raiders, New Orleans, Denver (though they always do a committee).
That’s 14 of the 32 NFL teams. Which pretty much means there are 18 teams with better RB’s then he is. So if you look at it that way, he is the 19th best back in the league. (Though there are other factors that obviously play in, but I think you all should get the point I’m trying to make.) So the Vikings have the #1 and #19 backs in the league. I think I would rate Williams #5, and I don’t think I would put Stewart in the top 20.
by packallday555 on Jul 31, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thunder & Lightning
The reason they got the first slot is cuz they have a cool nickname…we need to come up with a nickname for the tandem of AD and CT
by Loki The Viking God on Jul 30, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the Obliterater and Mr. 3rd Down
AD will break your ankles with his change of direction/stuter moves or bust your spleen while running over you. And Yes, Chester Taylor would be a starter on at least half the teams in this league (and all of our division rivals)
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jul 30, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
-1
and all i read was the first sentence
by REVENGE4ORTON on Jul 30, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better then Forte really?
No way is chester better then Forte.
by I_hope_brett_gets_hit_by_a_bus on Jul 30, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chester Taylor would be a starter on at least half the teams in this league (and all of our division rivals)
by I_hope_brett_gets_hit_by_a_bus on Jul 30, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you just say
That there is no way Chester is better than Forte? And then one second later say Chester would start on all of the NFC north teams? I’m confused.
by Jepp The Viking on Jul 30, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta love
a good, quality contradiction.
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
by TheViking83 on Jul 30, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 years ago maybe.
But with his age, no he would only start in GB. Both the Bears and my Lions have very good YOUNG RB’s. And for the sake of he arguement over #1 or #2. I think that those 2 are better as a unit then AP and CT; not individually but as a unit they are. All day AP is if not the true #1 in the league then a damn close 1a, but Chester Cheeta was never an elite back just a very good one, sorry about hurting anyones pride here. All I am going to say is IF Forte or Smith ran behind that line, they would be pushing 1600 yards just like AP.
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at the orginal thread, I forgot quotations
Chester Taylor would be a starter on at least half the teams in this league (and all of our division rivals)
by I_hope_brett_gets_hit_by_a_bus on Jul 30, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he would start over Forte is all. I love chester good hands, great blocking, good runner. But I wouldnt go as far as to say hes the best of the NFC north teams.
by I_hope_brett_gets_hit_by_a_bus on Jul 30, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No i'm not saying that either.
But unless I am missing something here, the lions are a divisional rival also, and we have a great young back in K Smith, now if we could only get an O-line that could block, it would be different.
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely like the potential of Kevin Smith
he was an absolute stud in college and he showed flashes last year, but at this point I’d still take Chester over Smith. We’re ranking current talent, not potential.
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
by TheViking83 on Jul 30, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a lion!
We may never know what kind of talent he has, he will probably never get a decent line too run behind. lol.
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont think so
Peterson is a different type of running back. Smith and Forte are good dont get me wrong but they just dont have the combination that Peterson does and would not do as well behind our line.
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by Grape Drank on Jul 30, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey grapedrink
I beleave we are talking about CT here not AP. He would start for every team in the NFL. But CT, only BG at best, and I’m not so sure that he would start there either.
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I am going to say is IF Forte or Smith ran behind that line, they would be pushing 1600 yards just like AP.
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by Grape Drank on Jul 30, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh I see you point
didn’t realize I put that in there, I am pretty sure we were talking about CT though. My bad. And I was just using AP becaue he is the primary ball carrier. So sorry
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no prob
I was a little confused by that too. But yes chester would not start on the lions or bears because they have good young backs it would only make sense to have him as a guy who can develop forte/smith
sugar + water + purple
by Grape Drank on Jul 31, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If forte or smith
Were treated by defenses like AP is they would be lucky to break 1000 even with our line.
http://vikingsmashfootball.wordpress.com/
by BeardedAxe on Jul 31, 2009 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always though
All Day and All Night was cool.
by Jepp The Viking on Jul 30, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How Have I Never Heard That One Before?
I Like It!
by Loki The Viking God on Jul 30, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always though this one was good
but there are just too many openings for lame sexual references.
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
by TheViking83 on Jul 30, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll leave those to Packer fans
Because we all know what the REALLY like to pack.
by Jepp The Viking on Jul 30, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh yes
they call us “Queens” we call them “Fudge Packers”. The neverending battle of off-color, homosexual insults, haha.
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
by TheViking83 on Jul 30, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I’m not surprised at all. The Panthers got a ridiculous ammount of rushing TDs last season. I believe DeAngelo Williams himself had… 16 was it? That’s more than Peterson and Taylor had combined. Granted Peterson is the best RB in the league. but I find it plausible that Williams and Stewart can give them a run for their money.
by Frost on Jul 30, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It must be the TAHI EFFECT
I’d put the Vikings as having the #1 group of backs, but the only thing that makes it a question is that the weakest link in our offense is IMHO, fullback. I know we have a couple other spots that could be improved, including QB. Yet I saw several problems show up when Tahi took over for Richardson that haven’t improved. The key places are in blitz pickup and the ability to main reasonable gains on fullback checkdowns.
by ChemErik on Jul 30, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is why I say
we don’t even field a FB this year. I cannot take another season of T-Jack 2-yard jump passes to Tahi on 3rd and 4. My face will melt.
by Jepp The Viking on Jul 30, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could use Kliensasser
He’s at least make better pickups on the blitz.
by ChemErik on Jul 30, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richardson
was a pro-bowler the year we let him go. I had a feeling that it was a bad move but after watching tahi i can say it was a bad idea to let a good fullback leave that easily
sugar + water + purple
by Grape Drank on Jul 30, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprising
I thought you guys would be second to the Giants if anybody. Maybe it’s because Williams and Stewart had more rushing yards then AP and Taylor. I don’t know, I think skill wise your rb’s are number 1.
by packallday555 on Jul 30, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks pack...
And I still hope Ryan Grant was only good because of HeWhoShallNotBeNamed. :)
by Jepp The Viking on Jul 30, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully that’s not the case, though if it is it really wouldn’t matter because Rodgers put up almost identical numbers to Favre in his first season.
by packallday555 on Jul 30, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way Pack man
The 2 RB’s in Carolina are younger,faster, both can catch better as a unit, then AP and CT. AP is the 1/ 1a back in the league but not CT, not even in the top 20 backs anymore. I do see you thinking about the G-men though. Their biggest problem is health, none of them can stay healthy for even a half season.
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AP is the #1 back in the league hands down. He has a blend of speed, agility, and power that no other back even comes close too. Williams is probably the 5th best back in the league. For one year I would take Taylor over Stewart 10 time out of 10. Taylor has proved he can be a very solid #1 back, 1,200 yards before AP came, and he is probably a top 3rd down back in the league. I think Taylor is absolutely a top 20 back in the league. His play hasn’t started to incline, just his reps and playing time has, but that’s expected when you have the best back in the league. AP and Taylor compliment each other perfectly. AP’s weaknesses are Taylor’s strengths, and Taylor’s weaknesses are AP’s strengths. Williams and Stewart are a great combo but if I’m an NFL coach or GM, and for the 2009 season I can choose any rb corps in the league, I take AP and Taylor without hesitation.
by packallday555 on Jul 30, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1,000,000
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
by TheViking83 on Jul 30, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha damn
With that million points I think it’s safe to say I’m in the lead :). Who woulda thought…A Packers fan with the most points on the Vikes blog. Hahahaha
by packallday555 on Jul 30, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why you get so many points
if a Vikings fan had made that exact same comment he would have only got 1,000 or so from me, because it wuold have been expected, hahaha
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
by TheViking83 on Jul 30, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
you’ve made 454 posts here at DN as opposed to 138 over at APC… you sure you’re not secretly a Vikings fan??
:)
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
by TheViking83 on Jul 30, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha ya
I’m sure I’m not. There just isn’t as much conversation over there as there is over here. I do live in MN though, and follow the Vikings stuff to a degree.
by packallday555 on Jul 30, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
understandable
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
by TheViking83 on Jul 31, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say something about how ridiculous it is to say Taylor’s not in the top 20 backs, but you hit the nail on the head for me.
by Frost on Jul 30, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Packman
I can’t really argue the AP point, but Chester cheeto’ I can bro. Take him outta Minn, put him in say Blue and silver, were he doesn’t have that big front line, and lets see him put up those #‘s. CT is above average no doubt about it, but he’s only had a couple of good years. If he had the kind of talent that you suggest why is this not his 1st and only team? I like the guy as a back, but he is a product of the line in front of him. The Vikes have had;if not the best; one of the best O-lines in the league, for about 4 to 5 years now. Chester has descent speed for a back but not game breaking speed, he’s more of a Jamal Lewis kind of back, smash mouth kind of guy, if you will. But hey 2nd best in the league is damn good.
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Take him outta Minn, put him in say Blue and silver, were he doesn’t have that big front line, and lets see him put up those #‘s. CT is above average no doubt about it, but he’s only had a couple of good years. If he had the kind of talent that you suggest why is this not his 1st and only team?”
He had a very good year in 06’, which is the only season he has been a starter. He has been kind of unlucky throughout his career. He was stuck behind Lewis, who back then was in his prime, and was a top back in the league. The Vikes then drafted AP, and I don’t think it was because they thought they necessarily needed a rb, but rather just that they couldn’t pass on who they felt was the player in the draft. Yes, the o-line was great for him in 06’, but keep in mind who the QB’s were (Brad Johnson, Jackson in his rookie year), and the WR’s were (Marcus Robinson, Travis Taylor, Billy McCullen). Like right now, their passing game really wasn’t seen as a threat, and teams were still putting 8 in the box against them.
Taylor really isn’t at all similar to Jamal Lewis. Taylor is more of a shifty, quick RB. He runs up the middle but he isn’t really the kind of guy who is going to lower his shoulders and run someone over.
The Panthers have one of the best WR’s in the game, and a solid possession WR in Mushin which sets up their run game nicely. Don’t sleep on their line either, they have Gross, Wharton, and Kalil on the left side, and Otah over at the RT position. As far as the T position goes the Panthers combo of Gross and Otah is probably top 3 in the league.
The best way to set up the run is to pass, and that’s not something that AP and Taylor have had. They put up some great rushing numbers and it was all done with teams putting 8-9 in the box. Stat wise the Panthers RB’s are better, but skill wise I don’t think there denying the Vikes RB’s are better. If you put AP and Taylor on the Panthers, who have a legit pass game, and a great line then Peterson might break the single season rushing mark, and AP and Taylor would combine for the most rushing yards in the league.
Haha and for those of you have to may ask it or think it, I am not a Vikings fan. I just enjoy football, and despite my hate for the Vikings I can’t deny their talent at the RB position.
by packallday555 on Jul 31, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO…its good to have you contribute at this site…you are an intelligent, fair, and objective Packer fan. I too have an eternal hatred for your team haha…but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect them and know that they have many strenghts and are a true contender. It’s good to have your insights and contributions!
by Loki The Viking God on Jul 31, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well thank you
I enjoy contributing to this site, and am glad other people enjoy my insights as well.
by packallday555 on Jul 31, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck yeah packman
Last disclaimer on this topic. I didn’t explain myself good enough. What I was trying to get at is some runners are just pure speed e.i. C johnson of Tenn; some running backs are pure power i.e. B jacobs, then there are the backs that are more power than elusive, and thats where I beleave that the 2 of these backs fall. They are not affraid of lowering the head and bull-rushing guys but they are also nimble enough to make guys miss.
by davis0169 on Jul 31, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Panthers have a passing game
That keeps the defense honest. That is the big difference.
http://vikingsmashfootball.wordpress.com/
by BeardedAxe on Jul 30, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are so right on that point
Make’s Steve Smith and Delhome look like they are something that they really are not. Alot easier to run the ball when you are not facing 8 and 9 man fronts. If you guys can get a true passig game going in the next 3 years, AP would have a ligit shot at braking the single season rushing record. But it has too be soon, Childress is going to run him into the ground quick.
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFL network
I’m sure they know more about football than the people at msn. A few weeks ago I remember how all of them picked the Vikings as the best running combo in the league.
sugar + water + purple
by Grape Drank on Jul 30, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Disclaimer here
There is no way that the NFL network knows more about football than msn. They are putting Millen on almost every broadcast, so what does that say about the network? The man that is single handedly put together the worst record in his tenure as a GM and he is going to tell you about football? I don’t think so!
by davis0169 on Jul 30, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by all of them
I was talking about brian baldinger and solomon wilcotts
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by Grape Drank on Jul 31, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jamie dukes too
although sometimes what he says is a little questionable
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by Grape Drank on Jul 31, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh ok. lmao
You can understand why I am a little peev’d about the unmentionable one telling us all about football, when it’s as plain as the nose on my face that he knows very little.
by davis0169 on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha
i couldnt agree more, i know were division rivals and all but not even i would wish that (millen) onto another team
sugar + water + purple
by Grape Drank on Aug 1, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stewart is good!
J.Stewart is a bit more explosive than C.Taylor. AP is only marginally better than Williams and that may be a stretch. AP had only 10 rushing TDs and that was his total. Williams had 18TDs rushing to go along with 2 receiving, 20 total. Twice APs TD total. Not to mention he had 5.5 yards per carry to APs 4.8.
So 245yrds rushing less but 10 more TDs for Williams to AP. Also 2 fumbles with only 1 lost all season to APs 9 and 4 lost.
In Adian wants to be considered the best back in the league he will have to score more TDs, fumble less and catching a few more balls wouldn’t hurt either.
I am a huge Viking fan, but I would rate Carolina’s rushing tandem at #1 as well.
GregP
by VikesPma on Jul 30, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stats are not the whole story
The Panthers have Steve Smith and a QB that can get him the ball so defenses can’t stack the box as much against them. They don’t have the best passing offense but it is a step up from the Vikes. You could make an argument that Turner is better than either of them too but if you actually watch all three of them play it is obvious who is the best back.
http://vikingsmashfootball.wordpress.com/
by BeardedAxe on Jul 31, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh heck yeah
Beard I don’t think that there is any doubt that all day and night( sorry I stole the line but it fit’s) AP. The only back that can give AP a run for his money is the one and only LT and he has been playing with that turf toe for almost 2 seasons now, well that and the 1000 carries that they had him running while under Shotenheimer. WOW did I just kill the spelling of that name!
by davis0169 on Jul 31, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy #2
Chet would be and easy number #2 on many teams…he could start for a few teams and be a solid starter….But adding AP into the mix vaults them to the #1 spot…they are far and away better than any other 2 back combo.
by vikefan1969 on Aug 2, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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