Chilly Still Deciding on Friday's Starter
Classic Brad Childress right here. Keep your upcoming opponent guessing by not revealing who the starting quarterback will be. It's a tactic he often uses during a quarterback controversy, taking advantage of the controversy by not announcing the starter until the last minute so the week's opponent needs to prep for two quarterbacks.
But wait a second. This is just the preseason. The games don't matter. Why on earth hasn't Chilly made up his mind yet on the starting quarterback for this Friday's game in Indianapolis?
Childress said he still hasn’t decided whether Tarvaris Jackson or Sage Rosenfels will start against the Colts but that ideally both will get equal reps.
Just make up your damn mind, Brad. If you don't want to appear to favor one over the other, name Sage the starter and say it's because he was healthy for the entire two weeks of training camp. Please, make a decision.
Let's skip the mind games and move forward. That's what this seems like to me: Mind games. But at some point, enough is enough and you've gotta level with your players.
And when I complain about not knowing who the starter is for this week, I'm also speaking about the bigger picture here. It would be classic Brad Childress to wait until the last minute to name his week one starter. I'd be very disappointed if he did that but it also wouldn't surprise me. Chilly: When you're set on the starting quarterback, just let us know who it is. This team needs stability at quarterback, not prolonged indecisiveness from you.
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Chilly thinks he is sooooo clever.
The guy does the right things, at the wrong times.
I voted for Sage. I want to see him with the first team.
I want to see if Sage can run the offense. I don’t want Chilly starting Tjack just because he has his career on the line.
I certainly want Tjack to figure it out. But I also want this team to win. Let the best man win (go tjack).
Who
cares who starts? Preseason games are mostly meaningless unless someone sustains an injury.
by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Aug 12, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care if he tells us whose starting - just tell the team
I get if BC wants to keep the week 1 starter secret from the public and the opposing team until right before game time. But, the players will need to know as soon as they start preparing for the game, which is typically after the 3rd preseason game. A couple days after the game, the minimum he should say is this “I’ve decided on a starting quarterback, but I’m not going to anounce it at this time”. I actually think that would be a good statement, not fan-friendly, but good game strategy.
Maybe the reason Chilly hasn't picked the starter
Is that he’s still not sure if he even has bona fide choices for starter. I certainly feel that way, it’d be kinda a coin toss for me.
Seriously dude.....
Who cares (other than the players like ChemErik pointed out)? It’s a pre-season game. I mean, I guess I could understand wanting to know just to know…. but it’s preseason. It seems like a kind of insignificant thing to get pissed off over.
I think people hate Chilly SO MUCH, that they’re willing to lambaste him for the most mundane, insignificant things….
But what’s the upside to keeping it a secret? Is there upside in keeping T-Jack and Rosenfels hanging, along with the rest of the team. If you and Manimal aren’t bothered by it, that’s fine — but I can’t think of a strong rationale for Chilly to drag his feet on this.
Have you been able to think of a strong rationale for any decisions Chilly makes, besides who he signs?
This really doesn't bother me a bit.
It’s the first game of the preseason. If he would have come out and said one or the other, that’s great, but I really don’t care either way. It doesn’t matter either way, so who cares who it is? Definitely nothing to get anyone’s panties in a bunch.
If it were the season opener, then yeah, of course there would be problems. But two weeks after training camp before the first preseason game? Definitely not a problem.
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The ONLY reason he could be doing this
is because he the competition hasn’t actually been won out-right by either of these guys. Which, if we go by what we know of both T-Jack and Sage, is consistent with the rest of their careers. Maybe if one of them played like they deserved the job, it’d be a different situation.
Good Point
In fact, it seems that neither of these guys is capable of actually WINNING the job. The only question is who will LOSE it first. It’s like the lesser of two evils question we always encounter in politics.
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by Franciscan Viking on Aug 13, 2009 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions
stoopid coach...stoopid QB
the only way we are gonna do well is if we get a QB who is a rebel and doesnt listen to Chilly…..unfortunately, our choices are a guy who in known to be incapable of thinking of his feet or learning (TJ) & Sage…a NFL jouneyman castoff who seems to be missing his opportunity to salvage a career….we are doomed
Two words... Media Hype
If Childress names a “starter” today it’s’ going to be reported by every outlet that covers the Vikings that said “starter” is winning the quarterback battle, with the sub story of, can the other QB possibly catch up, which inevitably leads to questions of whether Chilli will be traveling down to Mississippi on bended knee begging Favre to come to Mankato and show these punks how to “sling it” Favre style.
There’s no reason to name one a starter and feed that fire since they’ll be getting equal reps anyway. So settle down and wait 2 more days for some purple and gold football.
Fire Childress!
Rosenfels is what I think
It’s pretty obvious that the better looking player will be the starter though at the beginning of the year.
if its so OBvious why dont you help Chilly out and become the QB coach.
just kidding. There are a buttload of TJ haters here. I don’t know what you guys are thinking but I’ve been to Training Camp and TJ is blowing the Rosencopter out of the water.
by FutureViking43 on Aug 12, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
You sound like my wife
She freely admits she’s looking at the player’s tails more than the score, lolol!
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Ratings
If Chilly keeps Viking fans guessing, more people will tune in to the game just to see who the starter will be. Obviously, the people who read DN are some of the most passionate fans and are going to watch anyway, but others may not.
I’d wager 10 bucks that he knows who the starter is going to be, and maybe even the players know it. He just doesn’t want the media to know.
Bobby Wade knows.
But then Chilly promptly told him to tell the media he actually doesn’t.
by FutureViking43 on Aug 12, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope Bobby Wade goes.
Somwhere else b/c he is average at best. Jaymar Johnson, Darius Reynaud and Sidney Rice are just as good and can get better. Actually all three are better but they can still improve. Wade has hit his ceiling and it isn’t very high.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
Those three may have more potential, but so far Wade has outplayed all of them. I’m not saying I’d rather dump one of those three instead of Wade, but I wouldn’t be happy if we dropped Wade prematurely because we thought these guys could possibly take over his role this year. I’d like to see them earn spots over Wade before we show him the door.
In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Aug 13, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
T-Jack hater here
We haven’t had a QB with a football players mind since Fran folks. Tommy, Rich, Warren and Brad were close but……………………………………………………………………………..
Tommy liked the sauce.
Rich was a late bloomer.
Warrens best days were behind him.
Brad in his later years had a noodle arm.
It’s easy to question what I posted but Daunte, Randall and the legion of others were poor decision makers and ballhandlers IMO.
Mort
If you can get your hands on the ball you should be able to catch it no matter what!
I'm not gunna accuse you of racism but...
are you kidding? Culpepper and Randall Cunningham were great for us.
by FutureViking43 on Aug 12, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You sorta did subtly accuse him of racism...
Even though he mentioned Warren Moon.
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History is different than you have remembered it
Hall of Famer Warren Moon played in 2 of his 9 Pro Bowls as a Viking and still had enough in the tank to earn a trip at age 41 with the Seahawks. Tarkenton led the league in INTs and quit when he was 38. Warren was still earning trips to Hawaii.
Culpepper had at least 2 of the 10 or so greatest seasons by an NFL QB up to that time.
Cunningham was the MVP in ‘98, and he did it as a pocket passer (only 132 rushing yards and only 2 fumbles). What QB in the history of the game demonstrated more "football player’s mind" than Cunningham had in his career? Do you remember how wiry that dude was and how many hits he took again and again? In his spare time, he was into stonecutting.
You also forgot Jeff George (8 fumbles in the best year of his career which happened to be in MN) and Jim McMahon 4 fumbles in 12 games in ’93).
Others suggest that your words imply at least a little bit of racism because you’re only on board with the white HoF scrambling QB but dissing an MVP and HoF QBs who happen to be black as “poor decision makers” and not possessing “real football player minds.” The so-called rationale among old-school racists who did not allow black players to play the QB position always used codes like “they don’t have the mind for it” or “it’s a complex offense they probably can’t learn” and so on. Thankfully, that has been shot down numerous times by players like Culpepper, Cunningham, Moon, McNabb, and others; however, there are still those who do everything they can to discount and minimize anything and everything that those guys and others have achieved. Don’t be one of those.
by KC Viking on Aug 13, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cunningham not MVP
Terrell Davis was MVP of the 98-99 season.
by peterplaysbass on Aug 13, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
T.Jack
Tavaris, if he is healthy will be starting week one. Sage has been dissappointing in training camp reports from Mankato also say he has nowhere near the arm strength Jackson does.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
Arm strength is nice, but...
…who is more accurate?
…who can make the decisions without staring down the go-to receiver for 2 seconds first?
…who can look off and check down his receivers?
…who makes up his mind in less than 3 seconds with better results?
…who will fumble less often?
I don’t know enough about their performances in tc, and I honestly wouldn’t care who won the job as long as it was primarily based on these things rather than arm strength.
Here are my answers
accurate – that’s a toss-up. Rosenfels on touch passes, Jackson on bullets and downfield (when he can make the read)
not staring down receivers – Both can, but Rosenfels is more consistant.
looking off coverage – neither, Jackson is young and might learn this skill
checking down – both do this better than we’d like, but Jackson seems to make slightly better passes on checkdowns
quick quality decisions – close, but I’d go with Jackson. Jackson fails to see the best read more often, but Rosenfels throws more INTs.
minimal fumbles – I think Rosenfels gets this by a slim margin. Part of that comes from Jackson being more likely to scramble which has a higher fumble risk.
Extending plays/scrambling/improvising – Jackson by a long shot
Pocket Presense/not drifting in the pocket – Rosenfel by a long shot
I think that shows why this is a close compitition. Neither stands out as being significantly better. I’ve been routing for Jackson since I see much more upside potential.
No offense amigo...
But it’s obvious you want Jackson from your answers.
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Haha yep
Noticed that too. Accuaracy is Rosenfels hands down. He has like a 63% career completion rating compared to Jackson’s 58%. Something tells me Rosenfels has the ability to look off coverage, or his career in the league would have ended a long time ago. Haha and there is no way Jackson is better at making “quick, quality decisions”. If that is the case then you guys are in trouble this coming year….
by packallday555 on Aug 13, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
We all have our biases
Maybe I’m a little skewed as we all are even if we don’t realize it, but both QB’s have their supporters. I honestly wouldn’t be upset if Rosenfels wins the job, in fact I just want someone to win. Worst thing would be for one of them to get the job because the other played poorly instead of one of them playing well.
Making an opponent prepare for 2 QBs
…is usually stupid.
Opponents are expecting a QB to pass sometimes, to certain receivers certain s of the time, and to run certain plays. Those things are true regardless of which QB starts about 99 of the time (Schaub or Vick/Collins or Young/Gannon or Grbac would have been different enough, but still would not have required an extra day of preparation for either QB. It doesn’t take long to plan for more rushing plays if a backup starts or more scrambles or to prepare for an abbreviated and watered-down playbook after doing the normal amount of homework.
The more likely outcome is that players get agitated with the seemingly indecisive coaching staff while the QBs never have a chance to feel comfortable (which is always played up in the media even though I doubt that it’s much of a factor).
Way too much is made of this, in my humble opinion. It just seems paranoid and ego stroking on Chilly’s part to me.
Much Ado About Nothing...
Who cares. Both will play AND whoever doesn’t start, will start in game 2.
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+1
But it provides some minor entertainment to wrangle, lol
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
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Maybe Childress...
already let the 2 QB’s know who the starter will be. Why should he have to tell the other team and the fans?
As long as.....
Chilly picks the one who deserves the job( Sage Rosenfels ), and the one that did better in training camp( Sage Rosenfels ) then I don’t care for the preseason games.
Light a Fire Under Jackson - Start Sage
Jackson seems to do better when he’s got something to prove. He wanted to prove he could move the team at the end of the Denver game two seasons ago, and he wanted to prove he was the starter in the Cardinals game last season. Start Sage against the Colts. Light a fire under Jackson.
If that's the only way Jackson can perform well I hope Rosenfels wins the spot
Maybe the next item for Jackson to prove is that he can win games when he doesn’t have some extra external motivation. I think you have a point, but why do we want to motivate Jackson’s performance in the preseason?
Why would you not
want the opposing teams know who to prepare for when your QB is supposed to go out there and prove he can do it no matter what? Childress is a moronic douche bag. I would purposely name the starte because I want my guy to have all the angles thrown at him and see how he deals with it………..not make it easier on him when I am trying to measure his ability.
by jay574 on Aug 13, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He is probably
still waiting to hear back from Andy Reid to see what he would do.
by jay574 on Aug 13, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ha!
Reid: “yeah, you don’t want to start Frerotte. We’ve got a secondary that prevents deep passes.”
Childress: “but Jackson can’t handle a blitz!”
Reid: “oh, blitzing’s not in our gameplan.”
by peterplaysbass on Aug 13, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
If this is really an open competition at QB
Both players should get an opportunity to start in the preseason.
As a result of that, I’m thinking Sage should have a chance to start this first preseason game. Why would I say something like that, you ask?
First, we already have an idea what Tarvaris can do. We’ve been force fed his quarterbacking for the past two seasons and change by Chilly, so there’s already a known quantity there.
Second, it lets us see Sage in live action with the first team defense. There’s been talk about his performance and ability at camp, and this would give us a chance to see if it does or doesn’t translate to gametime situations.
Third, it shows us that this actually is an open competition. In the past, Childress has done very little to convince folks outside of the organization that whoever goes against Tarvaris actually had a shot of obtaining the starting quarterback spot… Instead, it has seemed more like an “open” “competition” with the winner being determined before it even starts.
I worry that the same thing is happening this year, that Childress has already concluded that Tarvaris will start, and this notion of a competition is merely lip service in an attempt to placate Sage. Bobby Wade hasn’t done anything to convince us otherwise.
Anyway, while both QBs should have a shot to start this preseason, I think Sage should be the guy for the first game. At least then, we’ll have the illusion that this might actually be a competition.
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I've changed my mind
I think the first snap tonight should be to ….
Percy Harvin. Yeah, that’s right – start with the Loki formation on the first play. I think that would be far more interesting than picking either of our QB’s. Based on reports of performance from camp about QB performance, we might be using the Wildcat/Loki far more than we’d really like. I want to know if it can be effective.
Yeehaw!
Love it :)
But even for the pre-season, it’s not the sort of thing you see in the No-Fun League, which is why the Wildcat/Loki will be analyzed to death and no one will use it after this year, lol. Sometimes I think that the game has gotten to be too serious in the NFL, too much a business, and too conscious of it’s own ‘professional’ image.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

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