What Happens to T-Jack?
by Anthony21 on Aug 18, 2009 12:30 PM CDT
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PrintBefore I get going, the very latest: A wild scene has unfolded at Winter Park, with fans reportedly swarming Chilly's vehicle and people streaming into the team's facility. A blurry Brett Favre has arrived. There's a dude wearing a parrot suit.
Sid Hartman: "In my 65 years of doing this, I've never seen anything like that!"
How does the addition of Brett Favre affect the remaining quarterbacks on the roster? Clearly, change is on the horizon for them. Barring a meltdown in the final games of the preseason, Sage Rosenfels has positioned himself to become the backup quarterback. That much seems certain. But what about T-Jack and Booty?
The Vikes could retain Jackson as the third-string quarterback and try to sneak Booty onto the practice squad. Keeping the two isn't entirely out of the question -- in fact, I'd say it will likely happen.
But what if T-Jack just wants to move on? I gave my opinion on that in July when there were rumors that Jackson would demand a trade if Favre became a Viking. I thought it was clear that he'd be making a terrible mistake by moving on from Minnesota, as the Vikes could very well be heading back to the drawing board at the quarterback position after this season. He could hold a clipboard for a season and return in 2010 with a good chance to start.
Mike Florio speculates that Green Bay might be interested in T-Jack, and regardless of how long the odds are of him actually ending up in a Packers uniform, the possibility alone of him getting picked up by a key opponent should prevent the Vikings from letting him go. You can imagine the amount of information Jackson has on what the Vikings will be doing on offense this season. At this point, I think you need to keep him -- regardless of his unhappiness.
He can suck it up for a season. It's not like he's played well enough to deserve any more than that.
In fact, taking a season off might end up being a good thing for T-Jack. While it's absurd to judge a player on one preseason game, the quarterback I saw on Friday was obviously in over his head -- against Indy's backup and third-string defense, no less. How he performs in the coming weeks remains to be seen, but spending the season behind two veteran quarterbacks might be his last, best hope to become the player Brad Childress has envisioned.
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They got nothing going on at their own sites :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Let me get this straight
Your team just signed a convicted fellon who was never a very good quarterback to begin with, and you come HERE to talk smack at on of the top 5 QBs of ALL TIME? You sir must have a huge set ont you.
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 18, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Vick did beat Favre on the frozen tundra. The frozen tundra man. I don’t think we need to discuss how great Favre is on the tundra.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
well if i can be honest
what Vick did—while horrible in more ways than can be imagined—it really isnt nearly as bad as the multiple murders commited by some of the other players. Lewis and Stallworth to name a few.
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 18, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Stallworth was only accidental manslaughter
Still bad though
Drunk driving and killed a man
Sentence: 30 days, and a fine
Served: 24 days
Maybe the man who was killed was not very well liked…
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
If you're being honest, then you're stupid....
…so I hope you’re merely misinformed.
Multiple murders committed by other players? By your language, you imply that there are serial killers in the NFL. FYI, neither Lewis nor Stallworth was convicted of a single murder between them.
Ray Lewis had nothing to do with any murder nor manslaughter. His only crime was to tell his ‘entourage’ (posse?) not to talk about the fight that just happened, before he had any idea whether anyone was injured, let alone killed. Witnesses from both parties testified that Ray Lewis had nothing to do with the hostilities, and was actually telling his friends to get in the limo with him and leave.
I’m a Bears fan, I don’t really even like Ray Lewis much. But your comments are beyond the pale.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/30/sports/on-pro-football-from-threat-of-prison-to-exultation.html
After last year’s Super Bowl in Atlanta, Lewis was charged with murder in connection with the stabbing deaths of two men. He said all along that he was at a nightclub with friends, that a fight broke out outside of the club afterward and that he fled. He was a bystander, he insisted, not a participant. Murder charges against him were eventually dropped when he agreed to plead guilty to the lesser charge of obstruction of justice and to testify against his co-defendants. The damage to his life, however, was done.
Tell the truth: How many of you still think Lewis was involved somehow in those killings? I hear it all the time. It goes something like this: ‘’Well, he probably was involved, but the reason the prosecutors went after him, because he is an N.F.L. star, is the same reason he got off. Nobody would testify against him. He had enough money to get free. Sure, he was involved in it, somehow, some way.’’
That’s the spin. It is speculation, not fact.
But it persists.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Aug 18, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Pat White, Miami Dolphins
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I’m sure JDB has just as much information as TJ on the Vikings O. The difference would be that TJ would readily give up that info for spite while JDB may keep mum.
I dont think it really matters. I’m sure the Dolphins will trade for TJack for their wildcat. :P
That's a good point.
T-Jack would be leaving out of anger — JDB would be leaving knowing it was just a business decision, the obvious one for the team to make.
"Don't go away mad... just go"
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
There is a part of me who wants to report this signing
on my site for the New York Rangers lol. Everyone else is so we may as well hop on it.
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haha Joe, I come here for my first post and look who I find!
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lol what are you doing here?
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 18, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
oh ick!
well im an eagles fan so lol
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by Joe Fortunato on Aug 18, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't blame....
….Tarvaris one bit. If I were him I’d retire only to come back with GB sharing all the intricacies of the KAO. It seems Chili never really had faith in him and lied about it the whole time.
What intricacies?
hand off left, hand off right, chuck it as hard as you can right down the middle, repeat?
Refuse to put both RBs on the field at once, and don’t pass to them ever?
I wouldn't blame either Rosenfels or Jackson
if they simply walked out of camp. This is friggin’ ridiculous and reflects poorly on both Childress and Zygi Wilf. Peter King gets it about right when he writes:
Childress has looked like a desperate man throughout this melodrama. He made it known internally that Favre had to do at least some work in the offseason program or the veteran mini-camp to be considered. Favre never showed. Then he had to come by the start of camp. Favre didn’t come, opting for his third false retirement in 17 months. Now the Vikings let him come back after the team has gone through training camp. Favre’s the wishy-washiest player in memory — and the Vikings are his enablers. It’s ridiculous.
by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Aug 18, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Have a Nice Day
What part of if the Vikings do not do something radical to rake in some added cash right now they’ll be playing their home games in California very soon do you and Peter King not exactly understand? We’re sorry to interrupt your little shuffleboard game, but the Viking ship has hit an iceberg, and it is going down. If you still do not understand these words, the sharks will be more than happy to explain the current sense of urgency to you. What do you think of calling the team the California Terminators?
I think signing Favre
won’t have the slightest impact on getting public funding in the current economic crisis for a new stadium. Still to geekdom. It suits you.
by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Aug 18, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
PK Criticizin Favre???
Peter King—Peter f’ing KING—is actually critical of Favre???? PK’s had Favre’s member in his mouth for the last decade.
So in the last three hours, I have not only learned that I will be required, as a Viking fan, to cheer for Brett Favre, I learn that Peter King is ripping his life-partner Favre a new one.
I’m so confused—nothing makes sense anymore. Black is white, up is down, cats and dogs are living together.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 18, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
If TJack is cut...
He will prob be destined for what his career was supposed to be…A car wash attendant. Or, “Ya want fries with that?” might be more up his alley.
This coming from a Bears fan who hast had a viable QB in almost 20 years.
Tjack is better than any QB you have had in recent memory, other than the guy you just traded your teams future for.
by Bjorno on Aug 18, 2009 4:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Please, drop T-Jack. We all know how he can perform. Nothing has really gotten accomplished with him at the helm. The Favre signing could only be good, for the team and for T-Jack, as both will move on. I’m really not quite sure what the team should do with Booty, but in my opinion, if this Favre marriage lasts a year, Booty could possibly, contend for the job in two years? I don’t know… I don’t want him either.
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- Sam Rosen
You have to cut or trade TJack
He has shown nothing in time he has had.
by bleedingpurplesince74 on Aug 18, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
You mean he has done nothing in the three years since he was signed as a four year project?
Sounds about right.
by Bjorno on Aug 18, 2009 4:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If TJack is smart
He proves he’s a team player, he shuts up, smiles, carries the clipboard and stays with the team.
He should be happy about this. Seriously. All the tea leaves were saying he was gonna lose to Rosenfels. And if Rosenfels got it, and kept it, TJack would be gone next year, and be no better than a backup somewhere else.
Now all that is suspended for 1-2 years, while Favre has his turn. In the meantime, time is on TJack’s side more than Sage’s. Sage will probably not get to be a starting QB in the NFL. He is 32, will be 33 or 34 when Favre is done (or heck, who knows? 35? 36? 40?) TJack will still be in his 20s
The only question is, is he smart enough, and calm enough, to see this, that this postponement of the final reckoning between him & Sage is actually to his benefit, because he was probalby going to lose it this year.
of if he's even smarter
He could sign with San Francisco or St. Louis and have a shot at starting now.
Or he could sign with Seattle or Carolina and be right behind an aging QB.
I wouldn't want to play for a coach....
….who constantly lies to my face and has no faith in me whatsoever, but that’s just me.
you have to show the coach something called talent?
tarvaris has been a bust like most running nqb’s when he see’s a defense coming he just takes off instead of throwing it out of bounds or how about finding a reciever,cut him or trade him.
You must not have watched very many of his games.
by Bjorno on Aug 18, 2009 8:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Jackson
Who cares if he goes to the Packers? This kid is an idiot. He can’t remember the plays and he can’t communicate. The Vikings have to use another player to call the play in the huddle because the other players can’t understand him.
And you know this how?
Spend a lot of time in the huddle with them, do you?
by Bjorno on Aug 18, 2009 8:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
we got sage to back him up before t-jack
t-jack is very weak minded and that is the last thing you need at qb.
+1 ELEVENTY1
Keep him and drop Booty since TJ may have more trade value and/or real value next year when Favre retires again.
yall alreddy kno whu it iz mayn
Wuss poppin yall?!! Mayn hol up im so excited bouyt dis here signin mayn!!!!
mayn dis kill got me goin mayn iss juss so wonderful dat we got Favre mayn! Ah mayn, thank bout how thowed de boi AD gon be mayn!?? Harvin takin dem slant passes all de way fo a score mayn! Berrian mayn!
an to all de jackaz sayin we shuddint have let him come in afta training cap mayn yall wouldnt be sayin dat when we 3-4 wit Jackson as our starter mayn so fall back less chief on dis here kill mayn an enjoy dis righ here!
MAYN HOL UP!
You know, typing that really has to take some effort.
In AP I trust
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E
Charles Woodson is the happiest person on earth right now.
by FarvaForTheVikings on Aug 18, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL!
Fran’s back too! :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
How did Vikings fans become the T-Jack self-esteem booster club?
Seriously, why do we care so much about a QB who has achieved so little? Being a Vikings fan, much like being a Vikings player or coach, should always be about winning as many games as possible, and Tarvaris Jackson has very little to do with that this year.
This year, yes.
Next year, maybe not.
The guy HAS been improving, regardless of his performance in the last preseason game. We already have invested too much time in him to just cut him loose.
He will likely benefit from a year of riding pine. If he doesn’t, Then we see if anyone wants him.
by Bjorno on Aug 18, 2009 8:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't see the improvement
I’m throwing out his 2 starts vs. ARI’s horrible secondary and NYG’s backups in 2008 and his 2 terrible starts as a rookie at the end of 2006. Those are outliers.
Here is the trend for the games he started in the past 2 years:
2008: 1/3 quality starts with a mediocre start
2007: 5/12 quality starts with 2 mediocre starts
If a mediocre start counts as a half point, then he would be 1.5/3 (50%) in 2008 and 6/12 (50%) in 2007…no real improvement.
He also ran less often in 2008.
I don’t dispute that he could learn a lot from being around Favre, but I’d be happy to get a 4th or maybe even 5th rounder for him now.
Bud Grant used to say...
…a player makes our team via practice performance, not what they do in a pre-season game.
I think that was the problem for Sage, he looked very sharp against the Colts in the first game, but he was tepid in daily practices at TC. I think that is why Farve is here.
I know T-Jack. Went to class at Bama State and hung out with him when he was there. He has the potential to be a solid starter in the league. Just not in Minnesota. Not after being lied to at every turn. Not after being yo-yo’d in and out of the lineup by a coach that can’t seem to get out of his own way, and has botched this whole thing from the minute this started. Why should he or Sage trust anything Brad says at this point?
49er and ATL Hawks fan since '86, Braves fan since '90, Bama fan since birth.
who cares?
If TJ had played like an NFL starting QB, he wouldn’t have been yo-yo’d about. He didn’t so now we have Favre.
In case you are forgetting, he was drafted as a 3-4 year PROJECT.
He never should have taken a snap until this year. Chilly mis-managed his development by bowing to fan pressure and puttin him in his rookie year.
by Bjorno on Aug 18, 2009 8:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Right on!
T-Jack’s situation is everyone’s fault but his own!
Come on man, give it a break. T-Jack looked great in the last part of regular season last year, and I really had high hopes for him this year… but if you watched him play last week, you know that “stunk” doesn’t come close to how bad he was. Then we find out that he was playing injured, sprained MCL or some such, again. That may explain the bad play, but he’s looking awfully fragile, and he’s in no shape to lead the team.
And Sage.. Sage just got injured too. That leaves us JDB, unless Chilly could pull a small miracle out of his arse. He got on the horn to Favre and guess what! The Vikings got a QB again, instead of having to rely on two banged up QBs and Booty!
That’s not a bad thing.
If you think it is, because you’re tight with T-Jack, then you’re not really a Vikings fan; you’re a T-Jack fan. Fair enough, we have plenty of Farve-fans here these days too. It’s kinda weird, kinda fan-boi, but if it works for you, cool. But I’m a Viking fan, and I want the team to win a ring. Individuals come and go, but the TEAM is Eternal :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Starting Order
1.Favre (I cannot friggin’ believe I am writing that)
2. Rosenfels
3. JD Booty
After three years I agree that it is time to end the T-Jack experiment in Minnesota. It may work somewhere in the league for him, but it ain’t happening here.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 18, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
Infinite Performance Possibilities
Getting Favre is a once in a lifetime possibility that you simply can’t pass up, even if it turns out to be a bust. AD goes for 2000 yards now that they can no longer stack the box against the run. By the way, where’s that grammar policeman we had on a previous posting?
Thus I salute the fortress,
Safe from terror and dread.
Wife, follow me
and dwell with me in Valhalla!
by Franciscan Viking on Aug 18, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions
T-Jack..... Please accept the riding of the pine............
you could benefit tremendously from it……. it is your contract year,,,,, Sage is gone after this year,,,,, it is either you or Booty to continue the super bowl run after Brett leaves,,,,,,
Canadian Viking ??
U think TJack was not that bad against colts..OMG..he went 2-8 1st half, both completions were to Young out of backfield for a total of 9 yds…I was also reading a live blog, writers watching game made several comments, how terrible TJack was…I have hated Favre his entire Packer career, But..as DC Purple sd, players come and go, THE TEAM is eternal…Farve gives us a lot better chance of getting to promise land…I also hated vikings drafting Moss..Randy grew up abt 20 miles from me and he stayed in trouble here and when he finally got caught up in something he cld not get out of, he blamed the State of WV being against him…BUT, I rooted for the TEAM….GO VIKINGS !!!!
no tjack wasn’t even bad against the colts. what he was given to work with was bad and he did okay with it. but you wouldn’t see that i’m sure.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 19, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
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