Favregnugen Winners and Losers
Winners:
Zygi Wilf--In his time as owner, Zygi Wilf has become the anti-Red McCombs. He has been aggressive in getting talent, and when the coaching staff has asked for money to get a guy, he hasn't hesitated about writing the check. Wilf has given the coaching staff all they have asked for, and he is now reaping the financial windfall and fan loyalty that might, just might, start framing the stadium debate in his favor. Gov. Pawlenty's initial comments are far from encouraging, but a Super Bowl run can change a lot of minds.
Brett Favre--Yeah, he's a prima donna. Yeah, he loves the spotlight, but did you see the reaction when he landed? Proper, refined, and very Lutheran Minnesota flipped the fuck OUT. There was a helicopter following his drive from the airport to Winter Park, which turned into one part Beatles concert, one part Health Care Townhall, and no parts Lutefisk social. He is now loved in a place he was despised and he plays indoors, playing with a potentially explosive offense. He gets a chance to give the 'eat my ass' to Ted Thompson he wanted to give last year, he's got $25 more million in the bank, and he's on a team that is a legitimate Super Bowl contender.
Vikings Defense--The Vikings defense never said it, but there were times when you could almost feel the frustration of pitching a near shutout and coming up short due to offensive ineptitude over the last few seasons. Favre gives the offense instant creditability in the defensive side of the locker room, and puts them on equal footing talent wise. The defense can now breathe a little bit, take more gambles now and then, and not worry about falling behind by 10 points anymore.
Receivers--If Brett Favre can make Bill Schroeder, Javon Walker, and Antonio Freeman 1,000 yard receivers, then Bernard Berrian, Sidney Rice, and Bobby Wade are going to Canton, baby!! Seriously, they have the chance to have career years.
Adrian Peterson--Peterson's stated goal has been to rush for 2,000 yards, and he has his best chance to do it. Defenses will now have to play the Vikings honest, and that means more running room for Peterson. He has been devastating running against eight man fronts; my penis gets hard thinking about him running against normal looks.
Sage Rosenfels--Look, I panned the Vikings for working on the Rosenfels trade for two years, but Sage has been a stand-up guy through all of this. It had to be tough to play solidly in your debut, then watch the statewide orgy over Favre take place, and then stand in front of the cameras and say you'll do whatever's necessary to help the team win. When this does become your team, Mr. Rosenfels, the locker room and the fanbase will have your back.
My Dad--He's 80, and has suffered through all the agony since 1961. He now lives down the street and we get to enjoy the games every week. We have our last, best hope for a Vikings championship in his lifetime, and I think I can speak for all Fathers and Sons out there when I say I want to share a championship with my Dad before he leaves. I'm not asking for a dynasty, nor an undefeated season, just a Vince Lombardi trophy. He gave me this love for the Vikings, and it would be sweet to share the greatest of joys with him after suffering through some of the most agonizing, torturous defeats in NFL history. He's ecstatic, so I am ecstatic.
Losers:
Packer Fans--'Losers' and 'Packer Fans' is about as oxymoronic as it gets, but SUCK IT GREEN AND GOLD!!! BOO-FUCKIN-YAH!!!!! How's it feel for your Idol to give you the ultimate finger and play for your HATED rival?
Tarvaris Jackson and/or JD Booty--One of them is gone. The numbers don't support 4 QB's on the roster, so unless the Vikes can get Booty on the practice squad, they will have a depth issue come Mankato this time next year.
The NFC North--The Vikes put a stranglehold on the division before the first coin flip. Green Bay and Chicago are playing for a wild card spot, and Detroit is playing for a win. Just one.
Brad Childress--Chilly really handled this poorly, but Favre's on the team, so I don't care. He's probably alienated Rosenfels and TJ, but winning can put a damper on hurt feelings. He pushed his pile of chips all in, though, and if this blows up in his face and the Vikes don't at least win a playoff game, I have to think he's done as coach.
Vikings Fans--As much as seeing Favre in purple made me actually laugh with delight, we saw a glimpse of the 'look at me' downside of Favre--the on again, off again drama, the late press conference, the media circus. It won't be a problem in about three days, but it will be a problem in about 340, because the Vikes signed him to a two year contract. So come February, we will be held hostage with all the drama we used to lampoon the Packer fans over. Get used to it and be an adult about it; we dished it out, so we'll have to take it.
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Great post
Couldn’t agree more about taking some pressure off the defense. However, the “hard penis” comment makes me wonder if you aren’t just a bit too excited about the upcoming season. Frankly, it was a little scary.
by nlemke on Aug 19, 2009 7:17 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a Pictish thing
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 19, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Matthews Redux
Reminds me, in fact, of Chris Matthews’s quote about that “funny feeling” he gets up his leg whenever he hears Obama speak.
Thus I salute the fortress,
Safe from terror and dread.
Wife, follow me
and dwell with me in Valhalla!
by Franciscan Viking on Aug 19, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post, my thoughts too
… well, except for maybe the part about getting an erection thinking about AP ;)
The part about your dad was touching. I hope you get yoru wish. And I hope you’re right about Sage. I’m a lot more uncertain about hat than you. If Sage were 25 or 30, that might make sense. But he’s 32. If Favre does go two years, and plays as much as he typically does, going with Sage in 2011 will probably make way less sense than going with Brett in 2009. Sage has only started nine games, and the payoff window will be too short to invest the time to see if he can deliver. The point with Brett is, he is proven as much as a guy can be, that’s the reason to roll the dice with him at his age.
by puddnhead on Aug 19, 2009 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Reminded me of my Dad being an avid Twins fan and church attender. When game 7 was on in 1987, the minister noticed Dad was missing and commented on forgiving him this time. he passed 2 months later.
I do not wish that ending of course but would love for your Dad to see that Super Day before his time is up. As all of us are hopiong.
Tell your Dad i’m with him. I nearly lost my life 2 years back and still have a chance to see that big day and flew up from florida not knowing I would be seeing Brett play his 1st game in purple on Friday. I’ll let out a yell for him. :)
by CitrusFLViking on Aug 19, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sage could be the guy
If Sage could step in 2011 ready to play, and not another development guy, that needs 2+ years to get up to the speed of the game(sorry for the incredibly long sentance) he could be a very good option for 5 or more years. I was impressed with his decision making in the first preseason game. He made his read and got the ball out. He made accurate throws, something that has been missing in minnesota for quite awhile. And I was most impressed with his release. When he decided to deliver a pass, the ball was gone. No rediculously long wind up like some recent mn qbs. I really liked seeing him in purple, and I think he is ready to take the helm of a nfl team.
by heavysett on Aug 28, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sage is already 32
So I don’t see him being a long term option. Three years at best, once Favre is out of the picture.
Brett Favre is a Viking, and John Smoltz is a Cardinal. The Cubs and Packers still suck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
by MilCardFan on Aug 29, 2009 5:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute -- this is blatant PLAGARISM
Timestamsp confirm it was posted there about an hour before being posted here.
I have revoked my recommendation, and am reporting this post. I can forgive when it’s obvious someone is cutting & pasting & not trying to hide it, but this is not one of those cases
by puddnhead on Aug 19, 2009 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, I'm the same guy
People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.
by MilCardFan on Aug 19, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you float like a duck?
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 19, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Monty Python reference
People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.
by MilCardFan on Aug 19, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Awesome.
Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Aug 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
(if that’s true). Seems odd you’d not choose the same screenname here as at your blog, or link to your own blog when it was the source, though, which is why I assumed you weren’t.
I hope you realize and understand that I was trying to protect and recognize you by posting that, as the orginal author (if you are).
by puddnhead on Aug 19, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do, and I appreciate it
I used to have a link in my sig to the blog, which I recently changed. Got to SB Nation thru the St Louis Cardinals site Viva El Birdos, so I created the screen name more for over there. Can’t change the screen name without creating a new account, so I’m stuck with this.
But MilCardFan is the Purple Buckeye. There is a link to the blog if you click on my profile. I also go by noroof over at Vikings Valhalla, and I post over there as well.
I like writing the blog, but don’t get a lot of traffic or feedback, so this way I can get both by posting her and elsewhere.
Hope that clears up any confusion, and if the board moderators want me to stop posting blogs over here, I’ll abide by their wishes.
People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.
by MilCardFan on Aug 19, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, please don't
Like I said in my first post to this thread, I thought it was great. I only was trying to make sure the proper person got credit. It looks like that has happened.
by puddnhead on Aug 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense will be under pressure all season
If you think three and a punt is tough wait until the opposition is consistently given turnovers and great field position. The frustrations will start to run high and in the end your future will still be in the hands of AP and a defense that will get worn down trying to make up for all the mistakes.
It was always fun to watch him, but a wreck to have on your team. Now I can relax just like last year cause when the game is on the line the INTs will come. I can finally say I can enjoy watching him stress free secure in the fact that he will throw your season away if given the chance.
by PackerinTX on Aug 19, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What are you gonna do
If you discover that he stops making risky throws when he has a decent run game going? Like he did when you had Levens, Bennett, and Green? Will you slap your head and say "WTF were we doing, how many rings would we have gotten if we hadn’t forced this guy into a corner to try to carry our offense on his arm all those years?
I very much look forward to that coming to pass …
by puddnhead on Aug 19, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget
You still need a Desmond Howard to give the O a short field. With all the new players and schemes the NFC North should be more entertaining than it has been in years. At least off the field.
by PackerinTX on Aug 19, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A guy named Harvin...
We have a “Desmond Howard”…his name – Percy Harvin. Now what argument you got?
by keltyeli on Aug 19, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know "Desmond Howard"
smoked weed and got injured 24/7
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Aug 24, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he's been injured and smoked marijuana before...
Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Aug 25, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he probably has
If you want to crown em...
by JohnnyTruant on Aug 25, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
We all know how much Packer fans really secretly hated Favre all those years.
I’m not enthused about Favre playing for the Vikings, but even I can’t take this one seriously.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 20, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not a vikings fan....
but I was giving the vikings a lot of flack for not going after Cutler or Cassell harder. Many of the viking fans were saying that Tjax was fine and could still be a star. I have seen him enough times to know, he will never be a starter in this league.
I am one that if the vikings got legitamite qb play, they would be superbowl favorites TODAY. When they got Sage, I thought, good move, pretty good comp %. I was a little weary of his turn overs though. Then I heard he wasnt playing well in camp. But he did look good in the preason game (although its only the first one.)
Now Favre is in camp. I am not sure what I think about this. Yes he has the arm and experience. But can his arm withstand the entire year. I heard on the radio that over the last few years, Favre’s play starts strong but then goes south as the year goes on. I think the key is whether Favre’s arm stays fresh. I think we can all agree that Chilly’s play calling is very conservative and vanilla. Even with Favre, i dont think this will change, which is a good thing because that should result in fewer ints from favre. Again, if Favre can keep teams def honest with his play, thats all the vikings need, and I think you guys can expect a deep run into jan.
by gl12ox05 on Aug 19, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Pretty good summary
Thanks for your thoughts. Only thing I might question is your comment that conservative playcalling won’t change now. I do so because 1) I heard Jaworski saying yesterday that he knows from tlaking to Viking staff that they have only been using half their playbook because that’s all TJack (and Sage) have mastered, and 2) their hands were tied on using any plays that took a while to develop because their QBs were already taking too many sacks as it was. I can’t remember how many sacks they took last year, but it was a horrendous number, something like three or foru TIMES as many sacks as some other teams … teams that had a LOT more passing attempts than the Vikings.
by puddnhead on Aug 19, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which kinda makes you wonder...
If our O-line is supposed to be so great, how come it’s so porous in pass protection? Yes, I know Cook was a liability, that that’s just one side of the line.
Maybe because there’s so many in the box to stop AP, when it’s a passing play they just pour it on? If that were the case, Sage wouldn’t have looked so good last week. Granted he did a fair share of quick dumps, but still… he looked good.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 19, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably part of what made sage look so good
was that Colts were sitting all their top corners
by puddnhead on Aug 19, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
The beauty of the WCO is that it doesn’t much matter who the corners are, or what they’re doing. They can’t stop a quick dump screen pass because it happens too fast and with no warning and no chance to intercept, and the WR can let it go or step out of bounds to stop the clock. Very low risk, for low yardage, but it works.
Why does T-Jack have trouble executing it?
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 20, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also saw something ....
like that on ESPN. It was saying they were ranked like 28th in sacks allowed. They had something like 40+ sacks where as teams ie saints and colts that passed more had sacks allowed in the teens. They thought part of the reason the vikings gave up so many sacks was line and qb release. TJax and the other qb didnt get rid of the ball fast enough. In that scenario (and I also agree) Favre would be a bonus.
As I mention in another comment, I guess we will see if the conservative playcalling is/was a result of what the previous qbs could grasp/manage, or if its Chillys playcalling. (I am from Fresno and I always said Chilly was the NFL version of Pat Hill…predicatable run oriented offense).
I also thought that Favre running a conservative offense that he knows, wouldnt be a bad thing. Dont rely on Favre winning games. Just rely on him keeping teams def honest, thus allowing AP more room. Last year, how many times did it seem there was a scenario of 3rd and 7 and the play executed was either a run, or a pass for 4 yards. Its those plays that I think Favre can excel on. He knows where the first is and will make a play to at least get the 7 yards.
by gl12ox05 on Aug 19, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The REAL value of Farve?
Has anyone else but me got the impression that late in 07 and throughout 08, defenses figured out that the best way to stop Peterson is to blitz — especially with the corners — to stop AP before he gets to or through the initial line of scrimmage? Look at AP’s numbers (for eg, in the Bears game at the metrodome last year), where most of his runs are for 1 or 2 yards or no gain, with the occasional 10-15 yard burst or 50-60 yard home run when he breaks free. If you put 8 men in the box but DON’T blitz, you run the risk that AP will slip through a hole with full speed (or break a tackle, like he did on his 59-yard scamper against the Bears) and your toast. So the defenses blitz to stop AP.
If you are blitzing more often against the Vikes than against other teams, one would expect the Vikes passing game to be affected by all those blitzes. More blitzing against mediocre QB’s equals more sacks. More blitzing against a really good QB with experience and knowledge of how to burn a blitz equals more passing TDs (eg, Tommy Kramer, Steve Young, Montana, Manning, Marino).
Does this explain why the Vikes had so many sacks last year?
Does this suggest that Farve may be more successful this year than anyone is currently predicting?
TiggerSr
by TiggerSr on Aug 21, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saving Favre
If Favre can go out there and play maybe 1 quarter in the first half, maybe 1 in the second, he should stay fairly fresh. We do have Sage as a good alternative now, we don’t have to make Favre do it all.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 19, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that might mess up the offensive "rhythm"
If you really had to use a strategy like that, you’d go Favre: first half, Sage second. Kind of like in preseason.
by puddnhead on Aug 19, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 20, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points about Chilly
but the Devil’s Advocate could say he had to vanilla up the playbook because of the inability of the quarterback to either grasp the system (TJack inexperience) or physical limitations by an aging QB (Brad/Gus) unable to make all the throws necessary in game situations.
Favre solves both the QB issues, so now we will learn if Chilly really is a bad a play caller or if he’ll open it up.
Hell, as well as Favre knows the offense, he could be given free reign to audible into a better play based on the defense he sees.
People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.
by MilCardFan on Aug 19, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that where I question...
whether Favre was a good signing. Do you think he is the player he was? he was good in the first half of last year while he was still learning the Jets playbook. He was awful the second half of the season when his arm fell apart, got tired, etc.
You are right about finding out if Chilly really did vanilla up the playbook based on the qbs or its just the way he runs his offense. I tend to think that he might want to do the same thing with Favre until he finds out how well favre can really play. That way it would limit Favre’s ints.
I guess thats another question, how much free reign will Favre get?
by gl12ox05 on Aug 19, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Physical limitations by an aging QB....
….and why wouldn’t this apply to Favre?
by KC612 on Aug 19, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At face value it should
but Brad Johnson never had a strong arm in his prime, and in 2006 he could barely get the ball 40 yards downfield. Gus is much the same way, and that pretty much eliminated any deep passing plays right off the bat. Gus also had accuracy issues downrange. Brad never even threw downrange, so meh. Favre, although older than Johnson or Gus, still has a cannon for an arm and can still thread the needle at 30-45 yards, so the playbook isn’t limited, at least physically, for him like it was for Gus and Brad.
People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.
by MilCardFan on Aug 19, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me laugh...
Packer Fans—‘Losers’ and ‘Packer Fans’ is about as oxymoronic as it gets, but SUCK IT GREEN AND GOLD!!! BOO-FUCKIN-YAH!!!!! How’s it feel for your Idol to give you the ultimate finger and play for your HATED rival?
This goes both ways does it not???
Not a packer or vikings fan…but this is pretty lame. I know if the Colts (my team of choice) picked up Tom Brady when Manning was gone I would not be jumping up and down. I mean I hate Brady (in the football sense only) and having him on my team and then rooting for him would make me a hypocrite right? Where is the loyalty? All I see with all these jerseys selling, tickets selling, etc. is a bunch of hypocrite fans who hated Favre and now see him as a savior. He cares nothing about the Vikings…then again…maybe you deserve him.
by TRDean on Aug 19, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think all your players "care about" your beloeved Colts?
How many of them would not go to another team as FA if they offered more money.
Seriously, fans who delude themselves that this is not a business, and an occupation, are deluding themselves. Ironically, Favre becoming a Viking is actually a rare case of a player actually choosing a team for reason other than money first. This is the only team he would want to play for this year. How many other players right now would not play if they had to go to another team?
Waiting for your list …
by puddnhead on Aug 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
He is only playing for the vikings because he wants to get back at the Pack…PERIOD!!! My post was mostly aimed at the fans…hated rival one minute…now a savior…LOL!!!
By the way, this is just a game…I never said they were my beloved Colts…only my family is beloved!!
The only deluded puddnhead is you!!
Have fun with Favrebean!!
by TRDean on Aug 19, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, fans who delude themselves that this is not a business, and an occupation, are deluding themselves
I think you’ve misunderstood the argument all summer long.
I (we) KNOW that this is a business. And I’m not asking “How could Brett possibly play for the Vikings? How could he do that?” or “How could Wilf sign a hated rival??” The question, all along, has been how can THE FANS, who spent the better part of two decades loathing this man, suddenly think he’s the cat’s pajamas just because he’s thrown on a purple helmet?
I know my negativity gets to you, but the fans’ 12 year-old girl reaction to Brett makes me sick. In your opinion, if I’m a fan, I’ll forget everything from my past and suddenly LOVE Brett for suiting up in Viking garb. In my opinion, if you’re a fan, you’ll not appreciate this at all, but will understand that regardless, the Vikings are the best damn team in the NFL, and you’ll cheer anyway.
Like I will.
Even when its Brett throwing the TD’s.
It’s an argument I’m never going to get through to some people, and that’s what makes me the saddest.
So, sorry for my negativity. It’s too bad you (and so many others) just don’t understand.
"Call it the three B's. What a Blatant, Brazen and Brilliant ploy to skip training camp and still be given the reins to a Super Bowl-caliber team." - Kevin Seifert
Brett Favre proves he is a total piece of garbage.
by TheViking83 on Aug 19, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm a weird fan
I don’t have to go negative on players (or coaches) of other teams. I also like Urlacher (or used to, he wasn’t so grat last couple years), and loved Sanders in Detroit and of course Sweetness down in Chicago. Even the Fridge a little. It’s the exception not the rule that I’ll take a dislike to a player (like Jim McMahaon). And it usually has to do with how he conducts himself off the field, when he’s wearing the jersey of no team at all.
You’re right I don’t understand. I don’t understand how wanting your team to beat antoher team, means you have to dislike all the players that play for that team. Especially the best players on that team. Notice my exampels above. Sanders, Payton, Favre are at the TOP of the list of all time opposing players I like and admire. Not at the bottom. How can you hate them for going out and doing the best they can for their team? Even if it isn’t your own?
You are right: No, I don’t understand.
by puddnhead on Aug 20, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like you, even though I may scream at the opposition from time to time, I respect the really good players. If I didn’t, then defeating those guys would be meaningless, there’s no glory in beating up a 7 year old girl. Kick Iron Mike’s ass, and everyone will give you space :)
For me, Favre is a relative latecomer who hasn’t done all that much with the Pack. Sure, he has some records and they think he’s great, and I give him his props for being a real leader on the field with a good arm. But I don’t equate him with those I consider to be the really great QBs. I think of him and his records more along the lines of that punter (nameless is appropriate) who surpassed Jim Marshall in consecutive games; sure he has some numbers, but others earned their marks in a harder, tougher school.
Fran Tarkenton, Sammy Baugh, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, John Elway, Warren Moon, Dan Marino, and Roger Staubach. And for pure guts and leadership, give me Joe Kapp and Billy Kilmer as well.
Favre’s a good QB, lots of experience, and I think his arm still has it… but he doesn’t get to be mentioned within the above company. I respect him, and now that he’s in Purple, I absolutely want him and the Vikings to excel and go all the way, but I’ll take a pass on paying him homage just yet….
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 20, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're equating Favre's consecutive streak to a PUNTER doing it?
are you SERIOUS?
Favre didn’t do much for Green Bay?!?
What the hell did DAN MARINO do for Miami that Favre didn’t do for Green Bay?
And even if I give you all that … your point is that Favre in your mind is not as good as a handful of the guys you admire most over the last SIXTY years of the NFL?
I’m serious …. I can’t really figure out how you turn all THAT into some kind of downside for him playing on the Vikings. Or what was your point?
by puddnhead on Aug 20, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dead Serious
Favre plays the position that’s nearly as well protected and coddled as kickers and punters, he doesn’t undergo the sheer physical stress and demands and abuse that someone down in the trenches has to deal with, every single play. For example, Jim Marshall. I see Favre as more of a George Blanda type guy.
As for what he did for Green Bay… do I care? Nope. To me, GB is not very relevant, just another team to pummel en-route to the Super Bowl. There’s 31 of them. Favre took GB to a pair of Super Bowls and won one of them, that gives him some cred in addition to his lifetime numbers and experience. But does it mean he’s the greatest QB of all time? I don’t think so. I don’t think he’s even one of the top 5.
Now if he takes the Vikes to two Super Bowl victories over the next two years, I promise to consider revising that opinion. Short of at least 1 ring, no.
It’s not a point of ‘downside’ for Favre… it’s keeping the guy in perspective. I’m seeing a whole slew of posts about how incredible he is and that he’s a guaranteed HoFer and that he might be the best QB of all time… and I’m just not drinkin’ the Favre-ade. I’ve seen really great QBs play, and I’ve seen Favre play, and he’s just not on that top-tier level.
Favre is just what the Vikings need; an experienced leader who knows how to get the job down, who’s confident and strong. And who knows, he might even last the full two years of his contract. But as I said elsewhere, this should be Chilly’s cue to start looking for Favre’s replacement, now, rather than waiting til the man leaves. He’s not a long term solution, he’s just a stop-gap measure.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 20, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about how Favre cares for the Vikings, truth be told
And I get your point. This isn’t like the old days where guys would play on one team for almost their enire career, and team loyalty was a big deal. It’s about money and perceived respect, and as fans we either choose to cheer for individual players, or colored laundry. I choose to cheer for the colored laundry and hope that the guys wearing the team colors I identify with win a Super Bowl.
If that makes me a hypocrite, then yeah, I’m a hypocrite. And that dig was more at the Packer fan who can’t stand the thought of an ex-player playing for a hated rival. Alan Page played for the Bears and my world went on.
People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.
by MilCardFan on Aug 19, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!
Not at all a Favre fan…but a life-long Vikings fan. Favre is a better option than anyone else we’ve got and he makes the Purple Ones better. I realize he is still the drama queen I always claimed he was, he’s just our best option. What I think is funny is all the Packer fans that are now claiming what a media hound, drama queen he is…I’ve been claiming that FOR YEARS only to be ridiculed by those same Hacker fans that are now, FINALLY, agreeing with what I’ve said for years!
by keltyeli on Aug 19, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peyton Manning
I remember that guy… last week, right? I think he got to personally meet about half the Minnesota D, didn’t he? Up close and personal?
That sorta thing can give a QB a complex… how’s his confidence level? Is he sleeping well at night?
Great team, the Colts. Can’t wait for them to visit the Vikes up in Minny one day soon :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 19, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring on Favre and all his Divaness if it means a solid run(win) at the Super Bowl.
The Vikes D may be #1 overall by seasons end. If E.J. Henderson stays healthy he will be in the Pro Bowl. Tyrell Johnson is better than people think. Madieu Williams can be great, but he comes off as injury prone, hopefully he changes my opinion.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Aug 19, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
QB Question?
How many consecutive games has Favre started?
What about Sage (who has already injured his ankle)?
If Favre sucks it up, AP still gets more running room.
A mediocre to bad Favre is probably about level with a decent to good Sage who has a record 6 consecutive NFL game starts.
by solafide on Aug 19, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oxymoron
Packer Fans—‘Losers’ and ‘Packer Fans’ is about as oxymoronic as it gets, but SUCK IT GREEN AND GOLD!!! BOO-FUCKIN-YAH!!!!! How’s it feel for your Idol to give you the ultimate finger and play for your HATED rival?
I’m not sure oxymoronic means what you think it means.
by Phoenix138 on Aug 19, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it might mean the opposite of what he thinks it means.
Unless he meant to compliment Packer fans which seems unlikely given his later use of “suck it green and gold”, a phrase that’s difficult to misinterpret.
Sort of ironic, don’t ya think?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 19, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a self-deprecating shot at myself
by calling Packer fans dumb, yet using ‘oxymoronic’ in a dumb way myself. When you type it at 11 pm with little sleep the night before, it seems funny, but maybe not so much afteryou’ve had a chance to re-read it the next day.
People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.
by MilCardFan on Aug 19, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Stuff...
I agree on all counts… especially on the Fudge Packers being the biggest losers… but that’s nothing new, now is it?
by San Diego Viking on Aug 20, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs


















