The question for "the future:" who to draft in 2010?
by Anthony Carter on Aug 19, 2009 12:08 PM CDT
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As I see it, we have to draft a QB in 2010, and everything depends on at least a year of stability at the position before the young man steps into the pressure of following up whatever becomes of our quarterback situation in the next two (plus) years.
More than anything, I believe (sadly) that this is the final vote-of-no-confidence in Tarvaris. Chris Carter said it best in a panel discussion when he said that the move to acquire Favre is about opening up the playbook. Sage is not, according to him, "getting" the system, and if Jackson has not gotten it by now, well, his time is up. I have enjoyed watching his development more than most, but believe he has been stung hardest by this off-season and cannot grow up to be a healthy quarterback in this league under our system, and the scrutiny of our fans. We should do Jackson and ourselves the favor of searching for an immediate deal, sending him to another team.
Sage, I believe, can withstand this transition. He's done it his whole career, and he will be a serviceable back up. I don't believe JDB will not ever be a legitimate NFL starter and that he will be fine for us playing an auxiliary role. In fact, I think that Jackson is objectively better for us than JDB, but because of the reasons I've already mentioned, can't produce for us, and will probably get us more trade value from other teams than JDB.
That means that the real question re: our future lies in the draft. And, we have to take action immediately. In a perfect world, Brett has a great year this year and comes back a la Elway for a second consecutive ring in 2010. That would give our 2010 draft one year to develop under a legendary quarterback. It is not the ideal three years that Rogers had with Green Bay, but it is what we will have to work with.
Fortunately for us this is projected to be a strong year for quarterbacks. With whatever we get for TJ, we will add ammunition to our draft stock, giving us more strength to move up in the first round to find a real solution to our perpetual shakiness at the QB slot. Favre, however excited people are about hims, is still not "that" solution.
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Tim Tebow!
Tim Tebow!
The second coming of Brett Favre.
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Aug 19, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Passion, Guts, and a Born Leader.
Tebow is a Winner!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Aug 19, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude.
You’re insane. Tebow’s arm strength is 1/3 of Favre’s, and that means everything. With Favre’s consistently poor/risky decision making over his career, the only thing that has saved him has been his tremendous strength. Tebow has guts, but he will not be able to compensate at the pro-level for his lack of an arm.
by Anthony Carter on Aug 19, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of an arm???
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about…Tim Tebow (as a Freshman – 3 years ago), ON ONE KNEE, threw a pass 60 yards (in the air!)!…Arm strength is NOT Tebow’s weakness…mechanics such as quickness of release, etc are…arm strength is the LAST of his weaknesses. This may be your article, but you are obviously clueless about your subject matter!
by keltyeli on Aug 19, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve watched a lot of Tebow games. The guy can clearly bench press a lot. He’s big and technically strong. So, call it mechanics. Fine. It’s the same difference. His passes are still inefficient in the air. They almost seem to float. And it’s that quality of hanging up in the air, that I identify with a lack of strength.
by Anthony Carter on Aug 19, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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his passes hang when they need to hang…when they need to be zipped in, they are zipped in. Time will only tell. It’s the release time, the length of his release, and his footwork that causes NFL scouts concerns – not “hanging” passes. The passing is there, the problem (they say) is the NFL transitional “telegraphing” passes…not the strength (or “hanging” as you call it)…not the “same difference”. We’ll see this season as Urban Meyer implements more to show his future abilities.
by keltyeli on Aug 19, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I like his work ethic and attitude. If Meyer “implements more to show his future abilities,” and he actually shows growth, then by all means I’ll be on board. At this point, though, that seems speculative to me. It will also mean that, if he does show he’s pro calibre, he won’t drop as far as “late in the first round” as you write below. You can’t have it both ways—the kid proving he’s a legit pro package and dropping to late in the first round.
by Anthony Carter on Aug 19, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mel's Big Board
I’m not an ESPN insider, but Tebow doesn’t even make the top five? I mean this with all respect, why do you think Tebow gets so little love? We clearly know why you think he’s a star.
1. *Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma: Has underrated arm and great feel for position and is super-accurate.
2. *Eric Berry, S, Tennessee: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold.
3. *Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida: Physical tools are off the charts. Unlimited upside potential.
4. *Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead.
5. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska: Explosive, relentless and consistent.
by Anthony Carter on Aug 20, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
Once again you are proving my point! The Vikes are NEVER going to get the 1st pick in the draft and so Bradford (overrated, in my opinion – remember all the other #1’s on the Big Board that have “folded” – there’s that word again – in the NFL), is a pipe-dream! I said, from the beginning, that Tebow will fall to the later 1st round (because of the mechanics concerns) which will make him available to the Vikings. No matter how well he does, he will not be picked before Bradford & could fall like Aaron Rogers did in 2005. Remember that year? Alex Smith was a “Big Board” #1. Everyone had him as the #1 pick…now who would you rather have leading your team…Rogers (pick #24) or Smith (pick #1).
You might be right…Bradford might become a better NFL QB in the future (i doubt he is “all that” – Alex Smith, David Carr, Ryan Leaf). But, barring a season-ending injury to Bradford that causes him to fall in the draft, he will NEVER be available to the Vikings…it would cost too much (both in personnel for a trade & $$$) for the Vikings to go there.
You really are pretty dumb…you keep proving my points right & you don’t even realize it! Tebow is twice the athlete & leader that Bradford is…just some minor mechanics to work on…just keep watching. You’ll see! (a 3rd Maxwell Award – Best college football player, a second Heisman, and a 3rd National Championship to add to his already prolific trophy case!)
btw…what is the reason why you think I know Tebow is a star? Just because you get hard over Bradford, doesn’t mean we all feel the same way. Look at Tebow’s trophy case & compare it to Bradford’s. The reason I think he is a star is obvious…because he is one!
by keltyeli on Aug 21, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re respectful and compelling argument has convinced me. Go Tebow, best quarterback in the history of the game!
by Anthony Carter on Aug 21, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw...
I think Tebow is worth a shot…DEFINITELY can’t be any worse than TJack. Tebow is smart and could mentally grasp the nuances of an NFL playbook and a better set of skills (athletic & leadership) than TJack.
by keltyeli on Aug 19, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“DEFINITELY can’t be any worse than TJack”
Haha not exactly what you should base drafting your franchise QB off of?
Tebow is not more athletic then Jackson and it’s really not even close.
by packallday555 on Aug 20, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Words for lunch?
We’ll see…Time will prove my words to be true and yours to be a meal to be eaten.
Thank you for quoting me…that quote actually shows more logic than Chilly used when he drafted TJack as our “franchise” QB of the future!
by keltyeli on Aug 20, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hrm...
either we work a trade for an established number one (not likely) or move up and get Bradford. We need a smart, decisive, pocket passer with this team. We have enough athletes, get a smart, strong, accurate QB.
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 19, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
That’s the guy I’d want, too.
by Anthony Carter on Aug 19, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
overrated...
Did you see him fold against that gator defense…he couldn’t handle the pressure (literally or figuratively)…maybe a later 1st round, but he’ll go too early (top 5). Tebow could come in the late 1st round.
by keltyeli on Aug 19, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If throwing for 256 yards and 2 TDs with a 63% compeltion percetage is “folding” against the #1 defense in the nation last year, then I can’t imagine what else he could have done to look good. It doesn’t matter where guys are projected to go at this point, before any games have been played, but if the Vikings decide they want a QB that will “go in the top 5” I don’t doubt they would use picks and personnel or whatever they can to go and get that QB
by vikingfuture8816 on Aug 19, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stats only...
If we look only at stats…TJack was an awesome QB last year! His QB rating was about 10 points higher than Favre (if I remember correctly…95-85). You also don’t mention the 2 picks @ critical times in that national championship game (end of the half & when it really mattered – down 2 scores in the 4th Q to give the game to the Gators.) If you watched the game, you would have seen that he looked VERY NERVOUS, especially when it really mattered (sloppy passes on 3rd downs & late in the game, happy feet, etc). He may be a prototypical NFL QB body type…but this year we’ll see where he goes. Yes, I call his performance in Jan. “folding.” Watch it again, I you’ll see what I mean!
by keltyeli on Aug 19, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There wasn’t a team last year that didn’t throw picks against the Gators. Turns out in college that happens alot. In fact Tebow threw two INTs at “critical times” (as if there was ever a good time to throw one). He gave one up on the first drive of the game (way to get off on the right foot) and then threw another one deep in his own end of the field. Lucky his defense bailed him out by holding on 4th and goal (on a drive where all the plays called were running plays). I did watch the game and the only reason Oklahoma was in it for so long was because of Bradford. It certainly wasn’t the running game as Florida had two guys that rushed for more yards than the entire Oklahoma team. The defense wasn’t stopping anyone (namely current Viking Percy Harvin) giving up almost 500 yards. And the pick in the fouth quarter was hardly Bradford fault. Inglesias (now a Bear) double clutched a pass over the middle instead of catching it outright and Joe Haden took it out of his hands.
by vikingfuture8816 on Aug 19, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes! Photographic memory, or did you go back and watch the game highlight reel?
by Anthony Carter on Aug 19, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point on Tebow’s picks…I thought about refuting that argument in my initial post, but thought even you would be smart enough to realize that was early game jitters and all the pressure that was on Tebow’s shoulders to carry the Gators. Once the jitters were gone, who played the more solid game? Seemed as though Bradford’s jitters only increased as the game went on (i.e. “folding”). My biggest question is who finished stronger??? I’d rather start a little slow and finish strong (and on top) than start fast and “fold”. There was no pressure on Bradford at all…he had his Heisman and wasn’t even expected (by anybody) to win that game. All the pressure was on Tebow to deliver on his promise and prove everyone wrong about the Heisman…anybody would start out a little extra nervous with that pressure.
About the details of Bradford’s picks…just a Sooner fan still upset! Plus, no comment on the missing key 3rd down passes, happy feet, etc. A grumpy Sooner fan wouldn’t remember that without watching the game again.
by keltyeli on Aug 20, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, what else do we do in the draft next year??
I’m so psyched about the depth of the Vikings right now, who would you like to replace via the draft next year?? I think we trade up for the QB we want, have him hold a clip board for 2 years behind Sage/Favre (not sure if Favre will be back next year) and keep this well rounded team rolling as we replace as we go… Let’s look at the starting roster:
QB — Biggest need
LT - Big Mac has a few more years left before we need to pull the trigger on his replacement- Same
LG
C - I like Sullivan, hopefully this is a solid spot for many years- Solid, but not a position you really draft for
RG
RT— Filled this year
WR— Like our top 5 really well right now, no proven superstar, but good tools
TE - Kleinsasser is running low, but his talents are not ones you can just pick up in the draft Duh
RB -
FB — You don’t worry about a FB in the forst few rounds of the draft… Dying position
Defense
DE— I think we’re pretty set for a while with Jared Allen
DT - Phat Pat is getting old, but we have pretty solid depth at that position Kevin Williams should be around for a while longer
DT -
DE - Would be nice to get another All-Pro lineman, but 3 out of 4 ain’t bad… We could draft a LDE Could look at the draft for Ben Leber’s spot in a few years, but the best LB corps I can remember right now
LB’s -
CB’s - Hopefully drafted Antoine’s heir in Asher Allen this year, I like our CB’s Solid with 2nd year Tyrell Jackson and a healthy Madieu Williams
Safeties -
K, P, Long Snapper — Solid
This tells me that we can go after and pay for a top of the draft, 1st round QB, even if we have to use a 1st, 2nd and whatever we get for TJack (4th??)
This team is built for long-term success where we won’t really need to rebuild, just reload every offseason…
by ctowner35 on Aug 19, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Exactly what I was thinking, with better details.
by Anthony Carter on Aug 19, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With no glaring needs
we should be able to draft the best talent on the board and could trade him for a qb possibly? think NBA draft day trades thats how we should go ha ha
sugar + water + purple
by Grape Drank on Aug 19, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody.....
think that Paulus of Syracuse would be any good? Has anyone heard or read anything about where he could possibly be picked if he were to enter next years draft? just wondering since he was named the starting QB there.
by ILVIKINGSFAN on Aug 19, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree A C
After this season we will be back to square one needing a hi level quarter back. If we have a successful season we will be selecting at the bottom of round 1,So do we mortgage our draft for a untested guy? Or mortgage it for a veteran which ever way we go its going to cost what do you think?
by Bako- on Aug 19, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IF Farve delivers us this year...
I see Wilf going ‘all in’ on a top pick for QB…
But I’m terrified of the risk… Top QBs just haven’t panned out in the NFL lately…
I want big and strong… Tebow.
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 19, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colin Kaepernick!
Tim Tebow, with an arm! If he comes out after this season that is. The kid idolized Farve growing up.
Go Nevada Wolf Pack!
by BacksThePack on Aug 19, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If and I mean IF.....
If we win Super Bowl this year, Brett will not be back. He will go out in a Blaze of glory.. We had a chance to get Cutler, but blew it and he is a proven QB..Yes, I know a crybaby, but he is young and would have been around for 10+/- yrs….If Vikings do well this year and make long run in playoffs, we will have late 1st round pick. Franchise QBs are few and far between…But that is next spring…We will see said the blind man…LOL…..GO VIKINGS !!!!!!!!
by WVVikings on Aug 20, 2009 3:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Top Rated QB
Whoever that is, when we get our first pick, as high as they can buy it. Ideally Bradford, he’s the only one I’ve heard evaluated as ready to play in the NFL immediately. That’s what we want, not another project. A guy who already plays in pro-style offense in a div that runs fast and hard, or in other words, the opposite of what we have in T-Jack.
Wow. Imagine it. A QB who can come in and without spending years carrying a clipboard, be ready to throw the ball with the big boys. I know guys like that are the exception rather than the rule… they’re what you should be able to expect out of a high, first-round draft pick, the cream of the crop, best of the best. That’s what I want to see in purple, this time next year.
Oh, and if Rosenfels want to complain about that too, here’s his answer; compete. Be better than the other guy if you want the job. Otherwise, sit your azz back down and find other ways to be helpful. When you’re making millions of dollars a year to ride pine, you don’t have a lot of room to complain, especially when your problem is your own fault.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 20, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bradford...
reminds me too much of Joey Harrington. Yes he plays in a more pro style offense, but there is no defense in the Big 12 so all QBs look good…Where’s Graham Harrell these days? (Saskatchewan Roughriders)…The biggest problem is that he is a “can’t miss” prospect (David Carr anyone?) and we all know what usually happens with those!
by keltyeli on Aug 20, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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