T-Jack's Days In Minnesota Could Be Numbered
Charley Walters thinks T-Jack will be traded or released by Friday -- he thinks a seventh-rounder is the best the Vikings could receive in a trade. Not that I consider Walters the least bit credible, but it's interesting that Jason La Canfora talked to some league personnel executives and reached the same conclusion: Jackson is the odd man out. La Canfora sees a fifth-rounder as the most compensation a T-Jack deal could get for the Vikings.
"There’s not a lot of quarterbacks available," one exec said. "A fifth (round pick) might be too high for him, because he has a ways to go. But there will be a market for him."
None of this is based on any rumors from within the Vikings organization. But I'm in agreement with Walters' and La Canfora's speculation: Sage Rosenfels and John David Booty will likely stay, T-Jack will likely go.
I'm inclined to believe that the rumors of Jackson desiring a trade if Favre joined the team were true -- despite his denial yesterday that he ever said such a thing. Indeed, I'm inclined to believe that a demotion from the 2008 starter to the 2009 third-stringer is enough for T-Jack to want out of Minnesota and seek to start fresh elsewhere.
If he wants to leave, the Vikings should let him go. Try to trade him out of the conference (or at the very least out of the division) and get whatever late-round draft pick they can. Looking beyond the Brett Favre era at the quarterback position, it's time to start over -- whether that be with Rosenfels, a draft pick, or someone else.
There are teams out there that ought to be interested in T-Jack. Sure, it's awfully late in the ballgame to be adding quarterbacks not named Brett Favre, but Jackson is a guy who has a significant amount of experience as a starter, has the athleticism and physical tools to contribute, and could ultimately settle in as a career backup.
In short, I think it's in the Vikings' best interest to cut the cord. I've questioned why Jackson would want to leave a team that has committed so much to him and would seemingly give him another chance once Favre is gone, but the demotion might be too much for him to handle. The T-Jack experiment might finally be coming to an end.
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Every developmental psychologist will tell you that maturation is a process that combines nature and nurture. Jackson came to us with a great deal of natural talent. Unfortunately, he was forced to grow up in our system under a great deal of scrutiny, being cast into a leadership role far too early. Under the gaze of a condemning public, he faltered and continues to show signs of hesitation and insecurity. I think we’ve participated in making him into someone who lacks decisiveness. And, now, we should release him. I think, rightly, he feels bitter and scorned.
by Anthony Carter on Aug 19, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
T.Jack you showed some good flashes of potential but,
You have to have something to make it to the NFL. Jackson simply does not find his second option quick enough when the first option isn’t there. Thats mental quickness and adjusting to pressure and I’m not sure that T.Jack will ever have that.
Maybe a fresh start, somewhere else will do him good. If he comes of the bench for another team maybe the expectations won’t be so high. Having said that the pressure of the fans and media exist everywhere in the NFL and he will have to learn to deal with it. Especially if he is often injured, it is time lost but not automatically granted back to him. He did play poorly at the begining of the season and deserved to be sat. So that time isn’t owed back to him either.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Aug 19, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its a maturation process yes...
But another two seasons at the helm for T.Jack could equally be a waiste of time. Especially for a division 2 college draftee. This isn’t an Eli or Peyton that just needs a little more time.
Lets face it T.Jack had one great game against a Cardinals team that already had their division locked up. We saw in the Super Bowl that it was not the Cardinals D that got them there, it was their passing game. The Giants also had everything locked up and we needed a Longwell FG to win that game and the division. That was Jackson at his very best. Put him in a game when everything is on the line for both teams and his play slipped
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Aug 19, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
*Futile to resist
You know why we have come
Futile to resist
The battle is already won!*
by AustrianViking on Aug 19, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming TJ plays...
…in another pre season game or two and clearly outshines Sage/Booty do you think it will make a difference in whether we keep him or not? I just think we’ve invested a lot in him in terms of draft picks and time and I thought he was progressing although not as fast as I would’ve liked.
by KC612 on Aug 19, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand the thought of releasing him but...
I am weary of a situation where Favre goes down and now we have Rosencopter and Booty (who hasn’t seen 1 NFL down in his life) backing him up. I know it is a coveted roster spot that should probably go to someone else but I feel that we need T-Jack on our roster in case old man Favre breaks down. Tarvaris has the most experience with these players (even though he has difficulty getting them the ball sometimes) and I hope he stays.
by noblepete on Aug 19, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rosenfels is a quality backup
And Favre has been durable throughout his career. Yes, Booty has never played, but I doubt he will need to. There is really no point (in my opinion) to keeping someone (Jackson) as a third-stringer when his contract expires after this year.
by Sheldon on Aug 21, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade him
I’d take the first offer that comes along. I’ve supported him when he was the only option, but now it’s time for him to move on.
by nlemke on Aug 19, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Except
the first (maybe overly generous) offer comes from a certain team based in Wisconsin, known as the Pukers. If a trade can be worked out with any team in the NFL we´d be well advised to insert a “poison pill” into that contract barring T-Jack being traded to the Pack immidiately by way of a workaround aka three-team-contract., and in any other way one (or our team laywers) could think of.
Kind of a quid pro quo for what the Packers did to Favre (and the Vikings) last year . On a sidenote, call me paranoid, but T-Jack knows certain parts of our playbook… ;-)
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by AustrianViking on Aug 19, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you seen him play?
no he don’t
by bleedingpurplesince74 on Aug 19, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, I've seen him play.
I realize most on here BLAME him for the playoff loss. Fair enough, After reading those thoughts for the whole offseason, I hadn’t remembered the game quite that way.
I went back over the weekend the game log, and HOW WRONG I had remembered.
1.) While I remembered the interception, AND TJax will have to live with the FACT that he is the ONLY Quarterback to EVER throw an interception in a playoff game in the history of the NFL. That was ONLY ONE fatal play by T Jax in that game.
2.) I had forgotten that T Jax had missed a tackle on the Vikings first punt which lead to a 62 YD return AND a Field Goal.
3.) IF that wasn’t bad enough, 6 minutes to go, T Jax got faked out of his Jock by Brian Westbrook on his 71 YD TD. That’s a routine high school tackle ALL posters here would have made.
4.) IF that wasn’t enough, T Jax made Philadelphia’s defense look good, when any observor knows they couldn’t stop a pee-wee team. Heck, Philadelphia lost 63-0 to the NY Giants the next week.
T Jax don’t let the door hit you on the way out!!!
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by the Dragon on Aug 19, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea,
I´ve seen him play, all season long. Was speaking of small, really small parts of the playbook… should have pointed that out more clearly.
Anyway – dont´sell him to the Packers, but sell him! Dude´s a bust. I re-watched the game vs. AZ last weekend, and that was the best performance we EVER got out of TJack.
You could clearly make out most of the Cards` players were still sobering up from the “Hey, we clinched the Division Title”-Party…
*Futile to resist
You know why we have come
Futile to resist
The battle is already won!*
by AustrianViking on Aug 19, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd feel better about our chances if TJack was starting for the Packers instead of Rogers
Not really worried about the playbook aspect. Most teams run the same types of plays.
by Sheldon on Aug 21, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry but t-jack gotta go
he is injury prone every year he has been injured and once again he was hurt while it was minor he was still hurt.he doesn’t look to get the ball to his recievers if the first option isn’t open he just takes off this aint college look for the next guy and he always chokes under the most stressful situations.he’s expendable we just paid sage and drafted john
by clinton p on Aug 19, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't jive with "Win Now"
I think if we’re going to do the win now philosophy at QB then we need to keep him in case Favre goes down. A 5th round pick won’t help us this season or probably next.
by Heech on Aug 19, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Sage a servicable backup?
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by Manimal on Aug 19, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he is. But as I understand the farther away Booty is from breaking the 2 deep the better.
by Heech on Aug 19, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah like we were ever gonna win with him might as well get something in return
who do you think stunk it up in the playoffs against philly he couldn’t throw the ball so they put 8 or even 9 in the box to stop adrian and he still was fumbling and throwing int’s for touchdowns
by clinton p on Aug 19, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
We’ve got them locked, and the way that QBs go down in this league (especially 40 year olds), it would be in out best interest to keep him. He may get in some games, show something, and we could get something for him.
What happens next year? We are left with Sage, who isn’t good enough, JDB, who isn’t even good enough to keep his own number and the most experienced guy we have with another year of learning under his belt. Keep him, let him learn, and throw him to the wolves next year with a bigger gun and more brains.
by Geno_P on Aug 19, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how much time we gonna waste on this guy
“What happens next year? We are left with Sage, who isn’t good enough”
maybe not, but he’s been better then TJack so far this year. Maybe next year TJack will be better. Isn’t that what we said last year?
“JDB, who isn’t even good enough to keep his own number” I read he was honored to give up the nuber as he grew up admiring Favre. JDB could advance a great deal learning from Favre for a year.
As far as TJack goes, I dont think a year under Favre will help him read a defense or keep him from caveing under a blitz.
Next year, if Sage and JDB cant cut it, we see who’s available to pick up.
by suns_shine on Aug 19, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JDB politely gave up his # to a first balot Hall of Famer...
Isn’t good enough to keep his own #?!
Sage is more accurate than Tavaris and in a West Coast Offense that matters the most. He cannot scramble as good(isn’t terrible though) but won’t need to in that offense. So if his # is called, Sage is the better option.
Favre is simply an upgrade and a chance they had to take. How many times last year did both our QBs miss open targets on crucial third downs? He does have the consecutive games streak and after suffering his first major injury in his career, all the sudden he is injury prone. There isn’t enough history of injury to make me worry too much. I don’t care if he is turning 40 soon. Nobody is even mentioning or worried about Kerry Collins, Kurt Warner or any other older QBs getting injured this year, that have a much longer history of injury and games missed than Favre.
So to all you nay sayers there is a good (worthwhile) chance he will start all 16 games this year and still be healthy in the playoffs.
A successful surgey is what it is. He will get a little banged up, but with the o-line in place he will get good protection.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Aug 19, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if childress goes next year?
The west coast will probably follow and this team is not even built for it in the first place. We should have a north-south passing game that will put DBs on their heals so AP can knock them on their backs.
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by BeardedAxe on Aug 19, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good protection?
Kind of like the good protection they gave Gus and TJ last year? Riiiight……
by KC612 on Aug 20, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade t jack
Trade him for a couple space heaters and a stationary bike.
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by RileysCannibalJct on Aug 19, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do they need
space heaters in the Dome?
by Geno_P on Aug 19, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
But they’d be nice to take on road trips.
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by free7694 on Aug 19, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre could use some mittens for the Chicago game late in the year.
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by Manimal on Aug 19, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no market for TJ
I said it when the trade me if you sign farve rumors started a month ago. If the FO gets offered anything (7th round in 2011), they should take it.
How much is TJ getting paid this year and how much is guaranteed?? If it saves more than $1m the FO should just cut him.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Aug 19, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am sure
Somebody will say we can not let him go in the division, but I say he never did know the playbook so what does it matter just cut the guy.
by bleedingpurplesince74 on Aug 19, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had heard 5th rounder for Jackson
on the radio tonight.
by KC Viking on Aug 19, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a market for Tarvaris Jackson
I just heard on one of our sports radio stations that there is a trade market for Brodie Croyle. Brodie Croyle! And the Chiefs are being smart about it by talking up how good he’s looking in practice, how Matt Cassel will need to win the starting job, and the like.
Croyle has had scouts fawning over him since he was in HS, as he was ranked as the #1 QB prospect in the country. It didn’t matter that he only excelled as a senior and couldn’t stay healthy. It didn’t matter that he had so few quality starts since he was on a bad team, often not 100%, and some of his best games were his most recent and against pretty good teams. Even the new management in KC says good things, so Croyle’s stock may never be this high again.
Childress has really mishandled TJ all along. On draft day, it wasn’t just a good QB or the QB of the future, but the next McNabb. They were married at the hip no matter how badly TJ played or how many games the team lost, so nobody else took the organization’s opinion of him seriously. Everybody knows that Tarvaris Jackson has only produced 5-7 quality starts in 17 starts which were not vs. ARI or NYG backups and less than 50% of the time no matter how one cares to cut it. The Vikings tried to bring in several different QBs and successfully brought in not 1, but 2! He was dreadful in last week’s preseason game, and there is no talk of him performing well now, so his stock is probably dropping faster than Croyle’s is rising.
After seeing enough of each, I think TJ is the better QB, and maybe there is an organization or two which wants another QB and is able to see that, high school accomplishments and measurables aside, TJ’s at least a little better than Brodie Croyle.
by KC Viking on Aug 19, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
everybody knows that the dice are loaded
everybody knows with their fingers crossed
everybody knows that the war is over
everybody knows that good guys lost
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 20, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've Heard the Packers and Lions could be Suitors for T Jack
No Idea why the Lions would be but the Packers were one of the teams to go after michael Vick…and T Jack is basically Mike Vick 2.0
by TonyO on Aug 19, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hell no
The Packers will certainly not get Jackson. We really never said we were interested, TT just said, “We talk about everything” (talking about the possibility of Vick). The whole thing really got blown out of proportion.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys have so many options for a backup
It must be hard to choose.
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by BeardedAxe on Aug 19, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lions?
I too heard that Tarvaris could end up in Detroit.
If so, would Detroit just throw Tarvaris in there with that awful o-line to get folded, spindled, and mutilated until Stafford is deemed ready to step in? Ouch. I don’t know that Tarvaris Jackson deserves that fate.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 19, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A blessing for JDB
It’s just a gut feeling but I can’t help but to feel that Brett is someone that JDB always
thought of as one of his NFL idols and will become Brett’s shadow in practice. I also
feel that Favre will take a real liking to JDB and give the type of leadership and wisdom
that can only be passed down through a special bond. Thus I feel that when Brett
decides to hang it up for good, I feel Brett and Bevell will make a case for JDB!!!
I think JDB has a unique skillset and I think Brett and Bevell sense it.
by kdog69 on Aug 19, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If bevell makes a case for anyone
they should be cut.
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by BeardedAxe on Aug 19, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any draft pick is better than nothing.
At least you could use a 5th, 6th, or 7th as part of a package to move up in the first 4 rounds.
by aladdinwa on Aug 19, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One more Look
Tarvaris Jackson was playing injured last week when he stunk the place up… I think he deserves 1 more showing, 1 more game to demonstrate that he should be kept or let go. I know this is the NFL and it’s a business and T-Jack is odd-man-out, but if he can pull it together, he deserves that opportunity to do so. However, if I were Chilly, I’d tell him that was the case. I’d pile on the pressure, and let it make him, or break him.
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by DCPurple on Aug 19, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I must have missed the memo
That sage is clearly better than Tjack. Did it get sent out after Sage played one preseason game where he threw to his TE every chance he got against a second string defense?
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by BeardedAxe on Aug 19, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thank god for that comment
+10
take, that
by sdot on Aug 19, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hit the open man
Something TJack never quite got a handle on
by bleedingpurplesince74 on Aug 20, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm living in Houston...
So I’ve seen a lot of Sage as a Texan. I’m from Iowa, so I’ve seen Sage at Iowa State. I’m a Vikings’ fan so I’ve seen a lot of Tarvaris. Sage is a more accurate, if somewhat turnover prone QB that never got a chance to start. While Tarvaris has all the tools in the world, you can’t teach someone to read defenses or to handle the pressure of the blitz.
In my opinion, Sage > Tarvaris.
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by Manimal on Aug 20, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the braintrust were holding back the playbook last year...
because TJackson wasn’t ‘getting it’…
will he EVER ‘get it’? He’s not a confident player and he looks overwhelmed to me…
I like the psychological bend to the argument that he just doesn’t have the mental fortitude to make it in the league.
He’s been given his chance… it’s time to part ways.
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 19, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
prevent offense?
OR…will we see Chilly & crowd actually attempt anything but the prevent offense.
The Vikings offense scored points DESPITE, not because of the coaches.
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by the Dragon on Aug 20, 2009 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care what happen
Good bye tjoke. Don’t let the door hit your arss on the way out.
by vikefansd on Aug 20, 2009 1:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd consider Jackson in a trade, but if it's a release I say bye bye Booty
Jackson should have more trade value as he’s a reasonable backup NOW. Booty has potential, but is another multi-year development project. If Jackson brings in a 5th rounder or better (I doubt we’d get better), I’d trade him. If not, we can try to sneak Booty on the PS but I’d expect him to get picked up by another team.
by ChemErik on Aug 20, 2009 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's really hard to evaluate Booty
Because we haven’t seen him play with first stringers during preseason or against a first-team defense in a regular season game. Nevertheless, I don’t want the Vikings to resign Jackson after this year, and they won’t, so you might as well keep Booty and hope he turns into the next Tony Romo (a guy who sits on the bench a few years and blossoms into a top fifteen quarterback in the league).
by Sheldon on Aug 21, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
G'Bye TJack
Averaged less than 120 yds per game, even last year with his deceptive 94.5 rating. Flashed a decent game here and there, but was inconsistent. Can’t handle pressure. Can’t read a defense. Looks for the #1 receiver, then checks down, and then panics. Way too many negatives. And, I’m tired hearing about how he needs time. By the time he improves enough to be serviceable, Peterson, Berrian, Allen, etc. will all be past their prime.
I’m not thrilled about Favre, but if that’s what it takes to get rid of the anchor that is TJack, I’m all for it.
by vikes since 68 on Aug 20, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would argue
That T-Jack’s best performance was in the 4th quarter against Denver 2 years ago. Granted we lost the game, but he put the team on his back and rallied from a 16 point deficit to send the game into OT. However in his consistently inconsistent style, he fumbled the game away on the first play in OT which set up the game winning FG for Denver and shut the door on our playoff hopes. I dont think he would ever be successful in this system. Let him go, keep Sage and Booty to back up Farve.
by NMVike on Aug 20, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and a week before he brought us back against the bears…however we lost that game too
by vikesfan4lyf on Aug 20, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
But don’t forget how bad he was in the first three quarters of that Denver game where we only scored 3 points.
by Sheldon on Aug 21, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and actually
He started out playing well too…remember the 1st drive ended when Chester fumbled out of the endzone which resulted in a touchback? But bottomline is those moments didn’t come consistent
by NMVike on Aug 21, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe
Bob Sansevere’s stance on the fact that we may actually end up trading T-Jack, and replacing Booty and/or Sage once other Qb’s hit the waiver wire. Adding Favre this late already has stirred the pot. I couldn’t imagine starting the season with 3 totally different QB’s from last season.
by NMVike on Aug 20, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Marshall
Could we trade T-Jack to Denver for also-disgruntled Brandon Marshall? We could throw in some draft picks to even it up.
Why draft players when you can get established Pro Bowlers in a trade? It worked with Jared Allen…
by ChiVikesGuy on Aug 20, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Never going to happen. He's definitely not McDaniels type of player.
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by Ponderosa on Aug 20, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes the most sense to release JD Booty.
He’s a developmental project who isn’t ready to play. Sage and Tavaris should now battle for #2. Also TJ isn’t really trade material as a starter right now, but rather a backup. Who’s likely to trade for that?
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by Ponderosa on Aug 20, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of teams that need backup help
Rare is the team that has a backup with Jackson’s physical talents. I think Jackson can be a serviceable career backup in this league (kind of like Seneca Wallace) but doubt he will ever be a starter consistently for a contending team.
by Sheldon on Aug 21, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you guys really think someone who was competing for the number 1 spot this year before favre came is only worth a 7th round pick…after 1 preseason game
by vikesfan4lyf on Aug 20, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He was competing for the #1 spot because no one else is available, not because he is good. If you actually watch him play, you will see why he is only worth a #7. And that is only if someone wants him.
by vikes since 68 on Aug 20, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't even give a #7 for TJ
Before or after the preseason game. There is no market for this guy period.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Aug 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Canadians want him...
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 21, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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