Picture Perfect!... lol
by Macdaddy4508 on Aug 2, 2009 4:34 PM CDT
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Simply True and Simply Hilarious.
As noted, T-Jack had an MCL sprain, and looks to be ok, but thevikingage.com had a little side bit to the story. I found this to be entertaining but at the same time... true. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing rosencopter starting for us September 13th in Cleveland.
He was 21 for 29, 224 passing yards and 2 touchdowns against us last year. Yea he forced an INT, but this a QB who was usually playing from behind and had to make something out of nothing. Granted, T-Jack showed signs of improvement, and all around better play, but the 15 for 35, and INT for a TD against the Eagles in the Playoffs got me, and I'm sure more than 85% of Minnesota, Saying/thinking we don't need a savior, but we need a QB that can play smart and make plays when needed... Get a new QB!!!
I still can't look at T-Jack as our Franchise QB...
via thevikingage.com
=D Great!!!
What'd you guys think?
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A quick comparison of QB numbers against the Eagles last year.
Divisional = Eli Manning 15 for 29 51.9% 169yds 0 TD’s 2 INT’s 40.7rate
Wild Card = TJack 15 for 35 42.9% 164yds 0 TD’s 1INT 45.4rate
Week 17 = Tony Romo 21 for 39 53.8% 189yds 0 TD’s 1INT 55.8rate
Week 16 = Jason Campbell 18 for 33 54.5% 144yds 0 TD’s 0 INT 65.7rate
Week 15 = Ken Dorsey 11 for 28 39.39% 156yds 0 TD’s 2 INT 28.3rate
Week 14 = Eli Manning 13 for 27 48.1% 133yds 1 TD’s 0 INT 73.5rate
Week 13 = Kurt Warner 21 for 39 53.8% 235yds 3 TD’s 3 INT 65.7rate
Week 12 = Joe Flacco 12 for 26 46.2% 183yds 2 TD’s 0 INT 95.5rate
Week 11 = Ryan Fitzpatrick 29 for 44 65.9% 261yds 1 TD’s 0INT 89.3rate
Week 10 = Eli Manning 17 for 31 54.8% 191yds 2 TD’s 1 INT 81.5rate
Week 9 = Seneca Wallace 13 for 294 44.8% 169yds 1 TD’s 0INT 75.2rate
Week 8 = Matt Ryan 23 for 44 52.3% 277yds 2 TD’s 2 INT 68.1rate
Week 7 = bye
Week 6 = JT O’sullivan 17 for 30 56.7% 199yds 0 TD’s 2 INT 49.2rate
Week 5 = Jason Campbell 16 for 29 55.2% 176yds 0 TD’s 0 INT 73.3rate
Week 4 = Kyle Orton 18 for 34 52.9%199yds 3 TD’s 2 INT 75.5rate
Week 3 = Ben Roethlisberger 13 for 25 52.0% 131yds 0 TD’s 1 INT 50.6rate
Week 2 = Tony Romo 21 for 30 70.0% 312yds 3 TD’s 1INT 123.2rate
Week 1 = Marc Bulger 14 for 26 53.8% 158yds 0 TD’s 0INT 72.3rate
I notice two things.
One, the Eagles did not play a lot of top-tier quarterbacks last year.
Two, their passing defense got better as the season went on.
We got out-coached, and Tjack had the team shoved on his shoulders and was expected to carry the team to victory. Personally, I would rather have AP carrying the team against one of the best pass defenses in the league.
Time Out
One, the Eagles did not play a lot of top-tier quarterbacks last year.
“Top-tier” like…
Eli Manning..twice in the regular season and once in playoffs.
Kurt Warner
Tony Romo (that could be debatable but he is considered “top-tier” by a lot of people)…twice
Big Ben..that week three game makes him look really bad.
And Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco had great seasons last year.
So I guess it could have been put better in saying the good quarterbacks they faced really sucked it up when they played them.
Bodyguard of the Official Matty I Fan Club.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 2, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Eli Manning is not a top tier QB.
Either is Big Ben.
They are good QBs, and can lead their team in the crunch time. But they do not put up big numbers like a “top tier” QB does (ala Brady, Manning, Warner, Brees)
Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco can in NO WAY be considered big time QBs, They played pretty well last year. Until they do it again this year, they are not great QBs.
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Aug 2, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
They might not
Be top-tier QB’s but all the ones dolphinsinbuffalo listed are some of the better QB’s in the league. If Fitzpatrick and Wallace can manage to be decent against them, there is no reason Jackson can’t. Especially when you take into consideration how much better your offense is then both of these teams.
by packallday555 on Aug 3, 2009 3:02 AM CDT up reply actions
you can’t say two first year starters who had decent seasons are two of the better qb’s in the league. they were two of the better qb’s in 08 true but how many other qb’s in this league have had one good year and then nothing? a lot. let’s see them continue to get better and produce again before we anoint them as top 10 qb’s.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 3, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
that is why
I listed them but just specified that they had good years. I should have put them in their own section. The whole point I was trying to make was that the Eagles didn’t face really awful quarterbacks, they faced good ones.
Bodyguard of the Official Matty I Fan Club.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 3, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
Flacco produced in an offense that’s basically set up for the QB to fail. The Ravens are all about their defense, and running game. Aside from Mason, who is only probably a top 15-20 wr in the league, they have nobody. Flacco did this year what they have needed a QB to do the past few years. He managed the games, and every once in a while came up with a big play.
Ryan took a team that had 4 wins in 07’, and completely turned them around. Yes, a lot of the offense was Turner, but Ryan still put up respectable numbers, and managed games for them. When teams overplayed their run game, Ryan could burn them for it going deep to White, or hitting Jenkins on a PA pass over the middle.
Just because they have only had one good year doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be allowed to consider them some of the better QB’s in the league. Both their teams made the playoffs, and both played a part in that. Flacco didn’t have to do much because of how good the Ravens defense was, but he played very well in their 2 playoff wins, and should be given a lot of credit. Ryan and Turner were the reason the Falcons were good this year, and the reason they made it too the playoffs. I never said either of them were “top 10 qb’s”, I said they were some of the better QB’s in the league.
by packallday555 on Aug 4, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
derek anderson
doug williams
frank reich
there are more. many more.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 4, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok
So what leads you to believe Ryan or Flacco will be one year wonders? (If you even do think that?)
by packallday555 on Aug 7, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
absolutely nothing
nothing leads me to believe they will be one year wonders. i never said they are one year wonders. i just said one year is too short a time to anoint any player as ‘good’. the best that can be said is they had one good year. a lot of players can say that. a lot can say only that.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 7, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I think you can still classify them as good though, for that one year.
by packallday555 on Aug 7, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
no
Big Ben and Eli Manning can be considered top-tier. Eli lead the Giants to a win in Super Bowl XLII, along with the help of the rest of his team. He isn’t his brother but I’d still consider him top-tier. Big Ben has consistently been top-tier as of late. And like I mentioned below, I should have put Ryan and Flacco in their own section because I didn’t mean to list them as top tier, just having a good year. The point I was trying to make was that the Eagles faced some good quarterbacks that could be considered top-tier, and if not that, they would be considered good ones.
Bodyguard of the Official Matty I Fan Club.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 3, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
When you say top-tier, I’m thinking top 5 QBs. Eli and Roethlisberger aren’t top 5. Right now that belongs to P. Manning, Brady, Brees, Warner, and Phillip Rivers. Palmer could also be considered for that list, but he hasn’t quite gotten back to form yet. And after the top 5 it’s pretty much a squabble for the second-tier guys. That’s the rung that Roethlisberger and Eli are on.
Agreed
Although I have to admit, every time I see Roethlisberger play, I can’t help but think that this guy should be in Purple.
Oh, and Warner…. is he really that good, or is he a product of last year’s moment? I’m kinda skeptical there. Take away Fitz and Bolden, give him a pair of average WRs, and I don’t think he’d look nearly as good.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
you could say that about any qb. personally i consider mcnabb an elite qb. the guy continues to put up numbers year after year with a constant stream of nobodies at wr. one year (03?) he had todd pinkston as his #1 guy. todd pinkston!
yeah mcnabb is elite.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 4, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah I agree with
“iseepurplepeople”…put McNabb in there
Bodyguard of the Official Matty I Fan Club.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 4, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha still
He put up the second worse numbers out of all the other QB’s and Dorsey really shouldn’t even count.
by packallday555 on Aug 3, 2009 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Forgot one small week, and the point goes both ways...
I see the point being made here, that Phillies Defense is good and caused many a QB to have trouble. No wonder TJack might have trouble right? But this is a point against TJack also! If we are to get to the promise land, the QB of the Vikes has to be able to beat a top tier pass defense/top overall defense. just as Kurt Warner did when it counted. Not that I am Kurt Warner fan..
Conference Kurt Warner 21 for 28 75.0% 279yds 4TD’s 0 INT’s 145.7 Rating
we don’t need a warner type qb. nor do we have boldin and fitz as our top two wrs. all we need is a guy that won’t make too many mistakes and makes the crucial third down conversions.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 3, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
again...the point is
TJack has yet to be that QB, and if history proves correct, he will continue to have growing pains. I am saying that we need a guy who actually makes a defense play pass on passing downs.
WRs playing hurt
But really, until the latter part of last year, we didn’t have a receiver corps that demanded respect, either. Berrian and Rice were both playing hurt and neither was up to full speed. Rice’s knee had been in a brace since October! Both are healthy now, so that might make a big difference too. Faster WRs get open more often, and quicker, giving whoever’s at QB, more options.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
We weren't getting any thing going against that
D-Line rushing either. Other then one beautiful run, AP was averaging 2 1/4 yrds per carry. That is why AP had only 20 carries and T-Jack was forced to throw 35 times. that Philly D wasn’t jsut owning us on passing situations, they owned us at the line of scrimage too. the coaches made no adjustments in the second half, and T-Jack paid the price by getting the blame.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
anytime tjack is throwing 35 passes in a game we’re probably not going to win it. 20-25 tops.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 3, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
“anytime tjack is throwing 35 passes in a game we’re probably not going to win it. 20-25 tops”
Haha well then what are you guys going to do when your down the majority of the game. (Like against the Eagles for example, or the GB game week 1, or your game against the Falcons.) That’s not going to fare well in the playoffs. Teams will have good enough defenses to slow down your run, and then when Jackson needs to make the plays passing to win the game what is he going to do?
by packallday555 on Aug 4, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
first off, no one is going to shut down our running game. the eagles were one of the better teams at containing us but ap still busted one. so getting behind early doesn’t necessarily mean we have start airing it out.
i didn’t say anything about not making the throws when needed. he just doesn’t need to be throwing it all the time. that pretty much goes without saying throughout the nfl. most coaches don’t want to throw it more the 20-25 times a game (mike martz doesn’t count). most coaches want to run the ball and have success running the ball. when that fails they have no choice but to revert to passing. that strategy doesn’t win a lot.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 4, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I Think The 2008 Cardinals Disproves Your Last Sentence
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 4, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i doubt it since they lost the superbowl to a team with the very philosophy i just propounded.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 4, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
But they did beat out 30 other teams by making it to the super bowl...
some might say that makes them a good team…apparently that doesn’t mean much to you though
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 4, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
they only had to beat 3 teams to make the superbowl after going 9-7 in the regular season. a good cinderella story to be sure but a consistent winner? i’ll believe it when i see it.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 5, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Beating three teams in the row in the playoffs requires more than just luck and is not a fluke…but think w/e you want
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 5, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
yes of course it. but they didn’t have to beat out 30 other teams to make the superbowl. and yes 9-7 going to the superbowl is a fluke. otherwise it would happen more. that’s basically what fluke means.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 7, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
When I said they beat out 30 other teams it wasn’t supposed to be taken literally….but because 30 other teams weren’t able to make it to the superbowl…you can deduce that the Cards were better then them….again they might not have been better and probably weren’t, but the other teams weren’t there.
Also, it doesn’t matter what you’re regular season record is when you’re in the playoffs…other the field advantage of course….the 16-0 pats weren’t able to win the big game….and the 9-7 cards almost did…once you make the playoffs its all about how you perform each game…what you did in the regular season means nothing
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 7, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Aerial Attitude
I keep re-thinking this one…
I’ve seen teams with average QBs and average WRs put up one hell of a pass-threat. I’ve seen teams with average O-lines do the same. And teams with great QBs still try to do most of it on the ground.
Maybe it’s a matter of confidence, and willingness to accept the increased risk. The pay-off is almost always higher than you’d get with a typical run-game, but the chances of losing the ball are higher too. Conservative coaches prefer to stick with a run game and ‘ball control’, they’re more likely to use the clock as a hammer on the other team.
I keep thinking about Fitzgerald last year as well. To me, he’s one of the most remarkable stories in the NFL. His physical abilities are there, no question about it, but those just make him a very good WR. It’s what’s going on in his head and his heart that make him fearsome great, and more dangerous than Moss ever dreamed of being. He turned the corner, mentally, on the game, and the field slowed down for him. He’s aware of what’s going on all around him and understands where it’s going. Added to that, he has a powerful will to succeed, he doesn’t accept defeat before it arrives. If it weren’t for him, I don’t think the Cards make it to the Super Bowl at all. Guys like that are rare in the NFL, and that’s what made the clinic run by C. Carter and J. Rice so amazing is that three of them were on the same field at one time. That Sidney Rice received as much support as he did, and Jaymar received as much praise as he did, speaks volumes of the kind of WRs the Vikings are developing right now.
I think we need to be more patient. As fans. We tend to get up in arms when things don’t go well, or someone’s having a bad game or three. Amazingly, we do seem to have an impact on the Vikings organizational decisions when we all shout together, but most of the time that impact probably isn’t a good one.
People have been saying that the Vikings are a “run-first” team because of Peterson, and it’s true that Peterson is a gift beyond words to the Purple… but it’s also supposed to be a West Coast style offense and the WCO is NOT a “run-first” offense, it’s a possession offense. It relies on the pass more than the run, quick screens and dump-offs to the RBs, with running plays and the occasional deep-ball to keep the other side honest. Chilly’s adapted it to what we have, but I’m not going to assume his personal philosophy and preference is a “run-first” offense. I don’t think it is; he’s the man who prides himself on developing McNabb and he’s the one who said the Vikings use a version of the WCO.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Plenty of coaches want to throw the ball more then 25 times a game. You just need a very good QB to do so, or he it won’t be effective.
by packallday555 on Aug 5, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
totally disagree. other than like 2 or 3 gimmick coaches, any true nfl coach wants to run the ball, control the clock, and make the other team have to throw because it’s more risky. in today’s nfl you have to pass. i know this and so do coaches. but what is the goal of every coach? to have a solid lead in the fourth quarter, play good defense to keep them from scoring, and RUN the ball over and over to run out the clock.
every single superbowl champ in the modern era has had a solid defense and a solid rushing attack. many have had anemic or mediocre passing games.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 7, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with this..
“every single superbowl champ in the modern era has had a solid defense and a solid rushing attack. many have had anemic or mediocre passing games.”
But pretty much every team still passes the ball at least 25 times a game. According to NFL.com all these QB’s averaged at least 25 attempts per game.
Brees
Warner
Rodgers
Romo
Roethlisberger
Cassel
Rivers
Manning
McNabb
Pennington
Garrard
Favre
Ryan
Delhomme
Campbell
Schaub
Orton
Flacco
Bulger
Collins
Thigpen
That’s 21 of the 32 teams who attempt at least 25 passes per game. And all the playoff teams aside from you guys are in that list of 32. I guess what I’m trying to say is you need at least an average pass game to go all the way. Jackson and/or Sage still need to prove they can get it done in the passing game.
by packallday555 on Aug 7, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
i never said ‘only teams that throw less than 25 times a game win superbowls’. i said most coaches don’t want to throw more than 20-25 times a game. will they? of course they will they have to! how many coaches do you hear saying ‘we were perfect today’? i’ve never heard that. i never even said you couldn’t have success being a pass first offense. you can. but in the end. you always want to fall back on the run. and if you want to be a champion, you MUST be able to fall back on the run. being able to fall back on the pass is a luxury of a champion, not a necessity.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 7, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
“i never said ‘only teams that throw less than 25 times a game win superbowls’”
Nor did I say you said that.
I understand your points and agree with many of them. But no matter how good your run game is you still need a pass game, and vice versa.
by packallday555 on Aug 7, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly believe Andy Reid
must LOVE playing against his buddy Chilly. Reid clearly knows how to kick his, and our, asses.
Reid
Owns Brad Childress for sure. Chilly will get his win one day, but he’s gonna have to get up pretty early in the morning to take Reid down. As far as the passing stats against the Eagles, I actually feel better about Tarvaris’ performance seeing only one QB gettin better that 54% all year. Still, TJack sucked in that game, and we had no Pat Williams and no run game at all. Here’s hoping for a good healthy season this year.
Nice Photoshopping ;)
But I think this is T-Jack’s year, it’s his to lose. I like Sage a lot, and am looking forward to what he can bring the Purple, but I think T-Jack is going to kick some ass this year.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Real Thor
You got it right! Maybe more people will start realizing it. The vikings will only go as far as Chilly.
Some people think the game is to fast for Tjax; I agree but I also think sometimes it’s to fast for Chilly too. He waits too long to adjust his play calling and its cost us a few games.
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