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Keeping Favre Healthy

The Vikings are doing the sensible and obvious thing by keeping Brett Favre on a "pitch count" in practice -- a measure that should hopefully increase the 39-year-old quarterback's odds of making it through a complete season.  He is, after all, coming off surgery on his right arm in May and currently has a rotator cuff tear.

"[We're] just kind of ramping up," said Childress, who along with several of his players waited tables at the Vikings Blitz celebrity server dinner at Wildfire in Eden Prairie. "You have a tendency to get on it a little bit harder with coaches around. I think by his own admission, he probably threw 200 balls in the Jets' first day of practice and probably set himself back last year. With the fans and the crowd and trying to throw deep, showing off a little bit. So you have to make sure."

He threw 200 passes in his first day with the Jets?  I'd hope that's an exaggeration, but it underscores the need to keep Favre on a leash and make sure he doesn't do too much.

And that brings me to a topic that's been getting quite a bit of attention since Tarvaris Jackson posted a perfect quarterback rating on Friday: Does the chance of Favre getting injured make keeping four quarterbacks the sensible option for the Vikings when it comes time to finalize the roster?  Two factors are causing my opinion to shift on this: The rotator cuff tear and the great performance by T-Jack against the Chiefs.

If the Vikings decide to drop T-Jack before the start of the season and Favre is forced out due to injury at some point, this team is one nasty hit on Sage Rosenfels away from having John David Booty under center.  With all due respect to JDB, I'm not sure that's a chance the Vikings can be willing to take.

With both Rosenfels and Jackson behind Favre, you have a great insurance policy.  Two guys who are capable of coming off the bench on short notice, as well as starting games if necessary.  The best case scenario is Favre remaining healthy for the entire regular season and postseason -- but I just can't be confident in his ability to do so.  Dropping T-Jack and relying on Rosenfels and JDB alone is too big of a risk for the Vikings.

Update: From Access Vikings...

Childress didn’t reveal much news in his press conference today. However, he did say it’s possible that the team could keep four quarterbacks this season.

“Perhaps,” he said. “There’s certainly a scenario where that could happen.”

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They need to keep T-Jack

I totally agree. I think Jackson proved that even though he’s inconsistent, he does know the system and he’s capable of a good game. I think the Vikings would be better off having Jackson as an insurance policy behind Brett.

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by TheJazzyOne on Aug 24, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

keep t-jack

I agree keeping t-jack is the best insurance policy we have right now. Saving Brett’s arm is also good. If Chili has any chance of keeping favre healthy for the post season he had better pull him out in the games were we have a good lead. ( I don’t know if he would be willing to do that though). As far as Brett throwing a lot probably has less of an impact than keeping him from the pressure of defenses.(a forty year old guy can only take so many hits.) Theres no reason to get rid of JDB since our future may depend on him. As far as Rosenfel I haven’t seen enough of him to make a good judgment yet. (first game looked pretty good but very conservative, at least he seemed to be in control) Seeing and knowing all this I guess its up to chili to earn his money and make that decision.(oh nooooo)

by Vikes Bruisers on Aug 24, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Why?

Don’t most teams have a starter, a backup, and a third string “project”? Kerry Collins, Vince Young, and whoever is third there? What’s the difference? Last year, Gus Frerotte, Tarvaris Jackson, and John David-Booty – no one was clamoring for a fourth quarterback. I don’t get it.

Yes, Favre is old, and he might get hurt, but you know what? So can anyone else. Keeping a fourth QB is a waste of a perfectly good roster spot.

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by Manimal on Aug 24, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Talk to me when the Vikings are in a must-win situation late in the season and John David Booty’s starting. I’m with SippyCup — if a QB needs to go, as you suggest, why can’t it be Booty instead of T-Jack? I wouldn’t be opposed to carrying three quarterbacks, but I’m also not willing to see this team’s playoff hopes go down the crapper because Favre couldn’t stay healthy and a big hit sent Rosenfels to the sidelines. What are the odds of that happening? Pretty slim. Then again, the odds of Culpepper and Bouman going down and Spergon Wynn starting were also slim. If you have the personnel available to offer excellent insurance at the QB position, might as well take advantage — that’s all I’m saying.

by Anthony21 on Aug 24, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally understand what you're saying...

But don’t all teams inherently take that risk? Sure, Favre may be slightly more fragile than say, Jay Cutler or Aaron Rodgers, but didn’t Tom “Dreamboat” Brady (or maybe more specifically, Bernad Pollard) teach us that anyone can go down at any time?

I’m just saying that most teams don’t have two capable backups behind their starter. They have a starter, a capable backup, and a lesser known “project” or what have you. Why do you think the Vikings are any different than most? I was happy with Sage as the starter, forget about as the backup. He’s totally solid in that role. What’s the big difference between the Vikings and any other team with an older QB? Or any QB for that matter?

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by Manimal on Aug 24, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

And look, if T-Jack had left the team months ago, I’d be cool with just Rosenfels and JDB backing up Favre. But which is preferable: Trading Jackson for a seventh-rounder or keeping him — and having him eat up an extra roster spot/potentially losing JDB, who hasn’t made one regular season pass attempt in his career? If the Vikings were limited to Rosenfels and Booty (the backup-project combo you referred to) that would be fine. But when you have two capable backup quarterbacks and an injury-prone starter, why not keep them both? Even if you don’t ever call T-Jack off the bench, the biggest cost is either risking the loss of JDB or cutting an obscure backup at another position. For peace of mind at quarterback? That’s a reasonable price IMO.

by Anthony21 on Aug 24, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus

You have a roster of QB’s that are excellent trade bait.

JDB doesn’t offer anything in the trade market.

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by SippyCup on Aug 24, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You bring up good points...

I just think that 53 people to fill 11 on offense, 11 on defense, backups for those positions, a kicker, a punter, and coverage units is too many to have the luxury of using an extra spot for a QB who, in all reality, would almost never be needed. I’m not saying it won’t happen, in fact, it probably would happen to the Vikings (because they are the Vikings, natch), but I just don’t see many scenarios where having four QBs on the roster is a big plus, not even caring who the fourth one is.

I don’t even care who’s cut. If we were talking about cutting Sage or keeping Sage, it wouldn’t matter to me; I just don’t think four QBs is all that necessary, though I definitely understand your points. It’s just my personal opinion.

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by Manimal on Aug 24, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if it's a 5th rounder, though?

A 4th or 5th rounder would replace the one given up for Rosenfels.

FOUR hand-picked QBs for Chilly on the roster, yet so much trepidation. So much talent, some say, yet so little trade value.

If the Vikings lose more than 1 of their first 5 games because of QB play, then it will be time to wake up and smell the toast burning, folks!

by KC Viking on Aug 24, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although...

I must point out that you did, in fact, say this:

Dropping T-Jack and relying on Rosenfels and JDB alone is too big of a risk for the Vikings.

Then in your response to me you said:

If the Vikings were limited to Rosenfels and Booty (the backup-project combo you referred to) that would be fine.

Again, what risk? Why is this scenario risky in the first instance but if the Vikings had dropped Tarvaris months ago you’d be okay with it?

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by Manimal on Aug 24, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe “acceptable” would have been the better word. Would it be acceptable for the Vikings to go into the season with Rosenfels and Booty? Sure. Would it be a risk? Absolutely.

by Anthony21 on Aug 24, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still fail to see...

How it’s any riskier than any other team in the league. Do you concede that every team with three QBs are “taking a risk”?

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by Manimal on Aug 24, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course they are — but is every starting quarterback as injury-prone as Brett Favre? Of course not. Something you’ve never really mentioned, Manimal, is if you’d prefer to keep JDB over T-Jack. Would you?

by Anthony21 on Aug 24, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on a few things...

I’m not sure as to JDB’s contract status, but I assume he’s got at least two years left. That makes him cheap and easy. Also, he won’t complain about a starting spot or anything.

Tarvaris has starting experience, but is in a contract year. In a perfect world, I think we get JDB to the practice squad and keep Sage and Tarvaris this year, and negotiate with Tarvaris at season’s end.

The big question is this: what does Tarvaris want for money? Is he willing to be paid very little for a chance to battle Sage next year? Is he willing to sit out this year and possibly be the third string quarterback? Does he WANT to be released so he can catch on somewhere else?

I guess in a perfect world, for this year, I would take Favre as the starter, Sage as the backup, Tarvaris as the third stringer, and JDB on the practice squad. If that’s not possible, Tarvaris and JDB are a toss up to me. I don’t really care. Tarvaris has all the potential in the world, but is wildy inconsistent game to game. JDB is a big ol’ fat question mark. I’d hate to see him go somewhere else and light it up like Matt Cassel did in New England (I realize they drafted him, but same principle).

So yeah, in less than 500 words, there’s my short answer. Ha.

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by Manimal on Aug 24, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess in a perfect world, for this year, I would take Favre as the starter, Sage as the backup, Tarvaris as the third stringer, and JDB on the practice squad.

I completely agree with that. The only reason I suggested carrying four quarterbacks is that I suspect JDB would get snatched up if released…and while he is a complete unknown at this point, I recognize that the Vikings would like to keep him. Where we differ is…

Tarvaris and JDB are a toss up to me.

I strongly disagree. Without going back through the discussion we just had about the Favre risk vs. every other starting quarterback, I just think this is a unique situation that warrants keeping the most proven entity.

by Anthony21 on Aug 24, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can see that.

I agree that this is a very unique situation that warants different thinking. Favre is old. He can play through injury, but at what cost? He’s never missed a start, so it’s hard to say that anything would be different.

I just think we’ve seen a lot of what Tarvaris can do, so keeping him is a kind of “know what you got” scenario, whereas John David-Booty is still a relative unknown. I liked him at USC, and I want to see what he’s made of in the NFL after another year or two of grooming.

I should clarify: I didn’t mean it’s a toss up between skill level. I meant it’s a toss up to my ability to decide which I would prefer. I like having Tarvaris as another option should Favre and Sage go down, but seeing as that’s a relatively low possiblity (not impossible, just improbable), I like the idea of keeping the Booty man to see what he’s made of.

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by Manimal on Aug 24, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

one thing everyone seems to forget when talking about tjack and jdb is this:

in tjack’s second year he was the starter. (prematurely imho)

this is jdb’s second year.

you make the comparison.

by iseepurplepeople on Aug 24, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

And again, I agree that it’s an improbable scenario. I’ll take the known over the unknown, but thankfully, I’m not making these decisions. ;)

by Anthony21 on Aug 24, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding.

I can’t imagine what’s going on in Childress’ head. Crazy old bastard.

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by Manimal on Aug 24, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would be a huge mistake to let Jackson go

Not that Favre is much of a teacher, but I imagine Jackson is picking something up from him, and for that matter Sage is probably as well.

We all know Favre is not going to be here very long, and the Vikes will be back at the drawing board when he leaves.

If a QB has to go, make it JDB. He is a huge question mark.

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by SippyCup on Aug 24, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Impressive

The first thoughtful argument for keeping 4 QBs on the Minnesota roster.

That said, I sincerely hope one of them gets traded. Just in case.

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by Mitchell_M on Aug 24, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

what team

if the Vikes released JDB, what team would pick him up?
let him go through waivers, if no one picks JDB up, stash him on the practice squad, if he does, there will be 10 other QB’s of his type that will be released by the end of training camp. pick one of those up and stash him on the practice squad

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Aug 24, 2009 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I am sure there are plenty.

Qb is a talent-starved position in this league, and another team would snap up the Booty faster than you can say “Arrrrrrrr matey!”

by Bjorno on Aug 24, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are several

Other position battles that are going down to the wire. Battle for the 5th receiver spot. Battle for the Nickel DB spot. Back-up Middle backer. Back up center. 3rd running back spot. TE. The list goes on and on. I understand where this argument comes from, but where else can we afford to cut from to make keeping 4 QB’s a viable option?

by NMVike on Aug 24, 2009 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Not to mention

That most of those above mentioned battles will come down to whoever can help most on special teams. A 4th QB is not going to help on special teams. And I know we can’t sneak any of them to the practice squad…

by NMVike on Aug 24, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Platoon Farve

We need to seriously consider a regular platoon system: Favre early in games and Jackson when he gets tired, throws too much, takes too many hits, etc. We need to preserve Favre’s body/arm for the playoffs and, hopefully, the Super Bowl.

If we’re smart about it, we may even have Favre around for 2+ years. This move by Chilly to limit his throws in practice is a good sign.

Incidentally, whenever Favre does stop playing, I do hope he stays on as a QB coach, O coordinator (he said he can coach this offense), or some other capacity. Let’s keep him around indefinitely and have him go into the HOF as a Viking!

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by Franciscan Viking on Aug 24, 2009 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

You can't do that

You can’t take Favre out because you’re worried he will get hurt.

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by SippyCup on Aug 24, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, but

I’m not proposing we take Favre out from fear he will get hurt; only if he “gets tired, throws too much, takes too many hits, etc.” It’s more of a stamina issue I’m concerned about.

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by Franciscan Viking on Aug 24, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 years of Favre?

The only way that will happen is if management allows him to weasel out of OTA’s and training camp next summer.

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by diok9 on Aug 24, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe we should

let him weasal out of OTAs, training camp, etc. if that will add a year or two to his arm….What movie star needs to appear on the set on the first day of shooting? Didn’dt Brando in Apocalypse Now come in ridiculously late in the shooting schedule, receive all kinds of special treatment compared to all the “extras” around him, and promptly turn in one of the great film performances of all time?

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by Franciscan Viking on Aug 24, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coach?

He said he can coach the offense, so I guess that means he can. Hell, why don’t we just make him the head coach? Maybe we should wait until he says he can coach the defense. Just to be extra safe let’s not give him the head coaching job until he says he can coach the special teams too.

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by Gonzo2 on Aug 24, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ridiculous

The Chiefs’ starters were one of the worst teams in the NFL last year. Defensively, they did not improve that much in this offseason, and you’re getting excited about TJ beating their backups?

Childress trusted n00b Frerotte last year and apparently didn’t trust TJ with the full playbook in his 3rd season, so why would that be any different now? The only thing TJ has done consistently is carve up sub-par pass defenses (DET, ARI, NYG backups last year, preseason Chiefs’ backups this year). Those are not to be confused with flashes of true brilliance.

As for keeping Favre healthy, I fear that this will serve as a rationale for Chilly to keep the offense Vannily, and look where that has gotten us (short of Philly).

by KC Viking on Aug 24, 2009 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Fair enough.

But he’s not up to your standards of a third-string quarterback?

by Anthony21 on Aug 24, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m fine with him being a backup or 3rd stringer, but aside from stepping in during an injury and leading the team to a Super Bowl victory, there is probably someone in the 2010 draft more valuable long term than Tarvaris Jackson.

by KC Viking on Aug 24, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's got athleticism...

so there’s that.
‘Maybe’ this is the year he ‘gets it’… I’m still pondering Anthony’s ‘pressure’ posting…
…and maybe, Tjack is a better reliever than he is a starter, or a temporary starter on an ‘as needed’ basis…

I think we all agree that he IS inconsistent. And although Brett isn’t a great mentor, maybe film time and participating in Brett’s work with the receivers (breaking down defenses, route updates, etc) could help TJack get better.

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I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 24, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, stop already!

I don’t think we need to question Anthony’s “lack of pressure” comment re: TJack anymore. It’s clear to any objective observer that there was far less pressure on TJack once he was demoted to sub. For instance, just check out this link to Chip Scoggins and Judd Zulgad, where we see two long-time, seasoned, professional Vikings observers matter-of-factly making the point without any question at all.

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by Franciscan Viking on Aug 24, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t questioning… just referring to it to make my point.
Thank you for expanding.

I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 24, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neighbors

Nice to see an Arizona Viking fan. I’m from L.A., California. Never liked the Rams when they were here. Was always happy to see the Vikings beat up on them in the playoffs. Do you have any residual interest in the Cardinals and their recent ascension?

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by Franciscan Viking on Aug 24, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

My heart will always be with the PURPLE...

I don’t always get the Vikings down here (no Sunday Ticket) so I do watch what’s on…
It’s funny… the Cardinals have perennially been a team without a lot of support since so many Arizonans are from ‘other’ states. So, like many here, the Cardinals are our ‘adopted’ team… there was a lot of excitement and buzz here last year… and for many, that excitement for the team may replace their previous allegiances. Winning will do that! ;)

Even this evening… at our local Albertson’s grocery store, there was a nice selection of NFL Pilsner glasses… Raiders, Chargers, Bears, and PACKERS! wth!… no Cardinals… no VIKINGS. not much love for the Vikes outside of the midwest.

I too loved the Vikings v. Rams battles of olde… It seemed like we always met at the end of the season for an epic battle!
Will you be making the trip here in December to see the Vikes v. Cards this year?? I’ve got my tickets…
Cards side, 15/20 yard line, 30ish rows up.

So my team support is: VIKINGS, whoever is beating the PACKERS, then the CARDINALS.

I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 24, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

tics

Sounds like a great road trip! Could you help me find a couple of tickets if need be? I’ll talk to some Vikings locals and see if there’s any interest!

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by Franciscan Viking on Aug 25, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

email me at jeff_zurn@yahoo.com
I will respond using my ‘real’ email address with some ticket information.
Use Vikings Tickets as your subject line.

I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 25, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again?

It’s seems like every time I’m reading a post and thinking, “man, this guy is a moron” I get to the bottom and it says Franciscan Viking. I’m sure he was feeling a lot more pressure competing for the starting job than he was when he was competing to have a job at all. Do you honestly think that will all of the things going on in a game a quarterback has time to think about his position on the depth chart?

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by Gonzo2 on Aug 24, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some agreement

I don’t think it’s the lack of pressure giving him a mental boost, but of course it’s easier to perform well vs. 2nd and 3rd stringers and in must-pass 4th quarter and/or garbage time.

by KC Viking on Aug 24, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the compliment

I don’t think resorting to ad hominem attacks supports your position any. I already have made the case that there was much less pressure on Jackson when he came in as a sub on another post, and the only comment I was making here was that Scoggins and Zulgad make the same argument. What’s so “moronic” about that?

P.S. If you don’t like my posts don’t read them. Look at the bottom first and when you see “Franciscan Viking” skip over it.

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by Franciscan Viking on Aug 25, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

One more thing

Not just to Gonzo2, but to anyone who reads this, I’m sorry if I’ve offended you by anything I’ve written on this site. It’s all meant to be in good fun, but perhaps I have stated my opinions too strongly….

by Franciscan Viking on Aug 25, 2009 5:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Laughable

So ‘Chip & Judd’ gives Favre lots of slack because of being new and under pressure, and he looks like bad, and they say Jackson had no pressure so that’s why he played a perfect game?

Are these guys announcers for NBC?

Or do they just repeat ‘conventional wisdom’ with no regard for the facts on the ground?

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by DCPurple on Aug 24, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Athleticism

Great. He can dance or perform in track & field events. If he had to walk home after a game, he probably wouldn’t break a sweat. Unfortunately, that has little to do with him being a competent NFL QB.

by KC Viking on Aug 24, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

…and thank YOU for expanding that comment…

I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 24, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt...

Childress would say, “Yup, keeping four QBs, no one needs to worry,” or “Nope, one’s gotta go. Who? Stay tuned!” That’s the political answer he basically has to give. They don’t want to tip their hand to potential trade partners or to the QBs themselves.

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by Manimal on Aug 24, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Practice

There’s not enough practice snaps to keep 4 QBs. One of the QBs wouldn’t get any reps and would be worthless to the team. Better to trade one of them or get one of them “injured” and stashed away on IR.

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by Delta Dave on Aug 24, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

it's funny

how many people are suddenly saying we shouldn’t get rid of tjack after he posts a perfect rating.

wasn’t it just last week that sage was our starter and tjack was supposed to be looking over his shoulder in fear of being passed by booty on the depth chart?

by iseepurplepeople on Aug 24, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think T-Jack was ever in much danger of being surpassed by JDB. But this isn’t even a matter of whether he’s capable of starting, or even being a backup. We’re talking about the third-string job.

by Anthony21 on Aug 24, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

We’re not talking about the 3rd string job because the Vikings probably don’t want to spend that much on a 3rd stringer and at that point he could be more useful by turning into a draft pick.

by KC Viking on Aug 24, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don’t think he was either but there sure were a lot of posts to that effect after the indy game.

as for the rest, that’s my point. this isn’t about the 3rd string job. favre is here. but for how long? 1 game? 1 season? 2? i really don’t see him being here even 2 seasons.

i think favre will be here 1 season at the most unless we win the superbowl and he might try to come back and do it again.

in the mean time, even 2 years from now we’ll still be a pretty young team ready to continue winning. but who’s going to be our qb then? sage? tjack? booty? or are we really going to depend on some phenomenal luck in the draft? (and yes any hof calibur qb outside of the top 10 in the draft is luck).

i’m not sold at all on sage. 10/13 in a preseason game does nothing to erase 8 years on the bench. i’m also not sold on tjack. he needs to prove it. i think this was his year to prove it but he won’t get that barring an injury to favre.

will booty be the guy in 2011? who can say? i’m not impressed thus far. this is his second year. in tj’s second year he earned the starting spot, albeit against holcombe and bollinger, but i wouldn’t take booty over those guys this season would you? he’s a project with a weak arm from a major college program. he could still be the guy, i just don’t see that.

there are so many scenarios that could happen this season. it’s a really tough call on the 4 qb’s. the vikings are going to have to cut some decent players to get down to 53 this year. we have more talent than we’ve had in a long time. do we ‘waste’ a spot on a 4th qb?

if it were my call, i’d try to get my pick back for sage. he has no upside. he’s in his 9th season. he’s not going to suddenly get better. he is what he is. a career backup. with tj we may have another career backup but we also may have a starter (i don’t care how harsh of a tj critic you are you have to admit the guy flashes glimpses of greatness). booty is still a project who may also be a starter in another year or two.

keeping 4 is a waste with the amount of talent on this team. we need that extra spot for a guy who deserves it.

by iseepurplepeople on Aug 25, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Judging T-Jack

If all we had to go by was last week, then yeah… he needed to mosey along.

I was saying that we needed at least 1 more game to see him because he was injured last week… preferrably 4 more games, since he has a consistency issue.

There’s no way that JDB looks better than T-Jack, though.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Aug 24, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Jets

Were probably just trying to get his timing down with receivers after missing most of camp. Man I am glad we did not have to worry about that. BUT WAIT

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Aug 24, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

But then again

I think regular visitors here know how concerned this reporter is about Favres’ health

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Aug 24, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And

It is strange that when I brought up his probability of going down I got the Favre the ironman response. Now some one else who was one of the Ironman trumpeters is bringing up the same question because of TJack come on TJack we are now worried about losing TJack. WOW

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Aug 24, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

tj

I looked at his salary and he is only making 600K a year, that is cheap for a sort of starting qb.

I rememeber watching a game vikes-rams and Jack Youngblood was playing with a broken leg and killing us. Every down he was sceaming through the line. Well Fran T got tired of it and throw the ball as hard as he could into Jacks face mask. The next play Jack came throught he line and they carried Fran off the field the next play Tommy Krammer was carted off with a concusion and Steve Dills took the field on the next series.

He did ok but I think everyone had thier jaw drop we were one hit from having no QB’s. I think it maby be a good thing to keep him and he’s cheap.

by montana vikes fan on Aug 24, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Youngblood...

he was one tough son of a bitch…

I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 24, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

favre's new job

I really think with Chilly’s lack of cajones’ and with Favre needing all the personal attention that a prom queen needs, I think the only way to take back the franchise is to make Favre sit the first game. From my perspective Favre has been playing the last 10 years hoping to keep alive his personal record of games started streak. He throws balls up for grabs because he doesn’t want to take the hit. Example, Philly’s playoff toss, Giants playoff loss…the guy led the league in interceptions because he is not what he is….He is a only going to Minn because he can call the shots and extend his streak. Viking fans are all in a lather to get (the final piece). Rational people would look long term and he is a better longterm solution for the Vikings, but he doesn’t have any chemistry with the players and he could use the time to become a better teammate. I say call his bluff and sit him the first game. If he truly (Loves the game) then he will sit and for the betterment of the franchise. SIT, then you will truly see Favre’s colors which we long time Packer fans have seen for years!!! A selfish, arrogant overrated prom queen…

by packerhomer on Aug 24, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Go easy on the sour grapes...

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Aug 24, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

arbitraily punish players for achieving something positve ... hmmm ...

Sounds like a good plan. “I wouldn’t think twice about starting you if you didn’t have that streak thing going Brett, but since you do, and I’ve heard you say it’s something you’re proud of, I just want to sit you for no good football reason … just because I can.”

My advice to you packerhomer: don’t go into coaching. Anyone who goes out of his way to punish his players for no reason except he can is a fool.

by puddnhead on Aug 25, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

i see what you’re saying here and i agree with the sentiment but just the way you bring it across says a lot.

since when is the loss of a reward considered a punishment? not being recognized for an achievement is a punishment? however you want to spin it.

punishment is punishment. not getting an nfl record isn’t punishment.

by iseepurplepeople on Aug 25, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back at you: Since when is not starting your #1 player on depth chart "loss of a reward?"

the way you bring it across says a lot too

I still stand by what I said. Destroying something someone else takes pride in, when you cannot possibly have anything to gain from doing that, is just plain DUMB. It’s like kicking some kids sand castle on the beach. Niggling about whether we call it “punishment” or “pointless destruction of another’s source of pride” hardly changes that.

by puddnhead on Aug 26, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, come to think of it, it's like kicking in your OWN kids sand castle

… because making that kid resentful is gonna just come back to bite you, make your own life worse. Chilly needs something from Favre, he needs him to respect him just like I as a dad need my kid to respect me. this idea of the original poster that the otehr players will respect Chilly more if he does that to favre is jsut plain bizarre. That’s why I said the guy shouldn’t be a coach (or any kind of manager of people), if he really thinks other players respect a coach being "arbitraily destructive of another’s source of pride" (is that more acceptable to you?) will make the other players like and respect him more.

by puddnhead on Aug 26, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like you are speaking

from personal experience. It will be alright you can build another one.

by bleedingpurplesince74 on Aug 26, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

as i said i agreed with your original sentiment. just the fact that you think favre not getting the consecutive games record would be a punishment for him bothers me. the original poster is obviously disgruntled over favre and benching him just to break his streak and ‘keep him in line’ is ridiculous. his point was that just breaking the streak right at the beginning would keep favre from holding the team hostage to keep his streak going if he gets hurt or just plain sucks later and that the team is more important than the streak. but if that’s a punishment, everytime someone loses a their spot it’s punishment. that’s not punishment, it’s lack of recognition. there’s a big difference. but we are talking about favre so you’re right maybe there is no difference.

i don’t know what kicking over kids sand castles has to do with it though. i do know that if one of my kids gets last place in a sporting event i’m not getting them a trophy for it.

by iseepurplepeople on Aug 26, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Strong words from John Clayton...

In regard to which of the four should be dropped…

“It will be John David Booty. The Vikings can’t get rid of Tarvaris Jackson after he threw for 202 yards in the game against Kansas City. He’s a better quarterback than Booty. It’s pretty evident with the signing of Favre that the Vikings are trying to win now and aren’t worrying about the future. Unless there is trade value for Jackson — which is unlikely, from what I hear — the Vikings will have to keep their best three quarterbacks: Favre, Jackson and Sage Rosenfels.”

Interesting that he basically says it’s a done deal that Booty will go. I tend to agree with the idea due to Favre’s injury risk, but also the fact that Jackson should likely get another shot at a starting gig next season (assuming Favre actually stays retired this time).

by TEXVIKE on Aug 25, 2009 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

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