Good Points..........
by IABerserker1 on Aug 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT
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Watching The Herd this morning. don't know if any of you like Colin Cowherd and I know some people around here don't like Trent Dilfer, but they made some good points about the "schism". To paraphrase, they both said, quite emphatically that it basically wasn't a popularity contest. A leader, in any locker room from the NFL down to high school football is going to alienate some other players. Not every player in pro football is, in fact, a professional. I think both of them actually made valid arguments that BF doesn't have to be popular. he has to be a leader. He has to get in the face of anyone else thats dogging on a play. In my humble opinion, leaders are present anywhere. when I played rugby in college, I was one of the few people that would get in anybody's face if they were screwing around or playing dirty. Not to say that I was a leader, per se, but I definitely didn't take any shit from guys that made the team look bad or that were sandbagging. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if BF is popular, it matters if he gets the job done and keeps some of the younger players in line. We wouldn't think a single thing if Jared Allen chewed someones ass for screwing around or wasn't all that popular with some of the other players, because he produces and he is a leader. If Trent D-bag thinks this whole thing is BS, everyone should.
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Good post
I like that perspective. I think that the media (obviously) and us as football fans are making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is. Locker rooms have their issues, plain and simple. But, they all seem to be handling it well. I have not seen, in the articles I’ve been reading and the videos I’ve been watching, anything from any of the actual Viking players that would indicate otherwise. The media, that’s a different story – they’ll do anything we can imagine to get page clicks and headlines…. I agree that this is not a popularity contest, and I don’t think the guys in the locker room think it is either, which is a bonus. I feel like the Viking players are a solid group of guys. This is probably getting to us as fans way more than it is getting to them.
On a side note – I briefly turned on the Dolphins/Bucs game last night for a minute – and I heard Joe Buck and Troy Aikman talking about the “Schism”. Made me a little angry because they are only going on the report, not reality. I just hope that this is corrected or dropped soon in mainstream media, because it is disgusting.
pot, kettle, black
I can’t seem to forgive Buck for his senseless tirade about Moss mooning the Packers’ fans, after making one of the most momentous and heroic catches in Vikings history (beating the arch rivals in the playoffs with a home run on a bum ankle late in the 4th — are you kiddin’ me?). I turn off the sound whenever Buck is calling a game I am watching. Same with Randy Cross. Blatant Viking haters.
Having said that, if we are all talking about the “schism,” why shouldn’t Buck and Aikman too?
TiggerSr
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That crew drives me nuts. I’ve yet to meet anyone who likes Joe Buck.
by virginia viking on Aug 29, 2009 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate Joe Buck
He has to be my least favorte sports announcer.
by packallday555 on Aug 29, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
good points
however a leader leads by example. if jared allen chews someone out they’ll respect it because he’s right there showing him how it’s done. not sitting at home while the rest of the team sweats it out in camp.
favre can get away with some things on his rep and that’s all well and good and deseveredly so. some will accept his criticism as coming from the ‘hall of famer’, others will resent it coming from ‘this old fart who sat on his butt while i was busting mine during 2-a-days’.
either way the media is blowing out of whack. but if he doesn’t live up to the hype, it will become serious.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 28, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions
What did they know, and when did they know it?
That’s what it boils down to.
Did Chilly and Favre know how things were going to work out, and everything they’ve said in public is just a lie? Because that’s what you’re accusing in a round-about way.
Or was Favre genuinely not sure about whether or not he still had another season or two left in him, genuinely not sure about the condition of his arm after surgery, and Chilly genuinely not sure if Favre was going to make it? That’s the official story.
This is actually a very important question, because if they knew it, the other half of the question begs an answer; when did they know it? How long as this gone on? Did it start this spring? Or last year before the season ended, which suggests Favre might have been sandbagging the Jets? Or even further back when Favre was a Cheesehead?
What would the penalty be if Chilly, Bevel, and Favre had been in collusion to get Favre in Purple while he was under another contract?
That’s one reason why I’m not assuming that Favre was ‘sitting on his ass during training camp’. Until proven otherwise, I’ll accept that everything he said was honest, and the entire chain of events was up front.
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Choose your reality
Agree completely as to the importasnce of the question, for many reasons, including those you state.
However, we will never know the truth — at least not for years, probably — so why not choose to believe that which makes watching the Vikes and cheering for them more fun? Isn’t that the point of following the sport?
TiggerSr
“Did Chilly and Favre know how things were going to work out, and everything they’ve said in public is just a lie? Because that’s what you’re accusing in a round-about way.”
I think they did. It all seemed to come about again to easy. For me, when it was reported that Chilly called Favre, and said it’s now or never kind of indcated to me that they both knew what was really going to happen. Because Favre had already said no, and after that Chilly had said all that stuff about, we’re moving on now, we’re good with our QB’s now, etc. I’m sure Favre didn’t want to go to training camp, and told Chilly that. Obviously Chilly is going to let him skip, because he gives the team the best chance to win, by far. (Especially in the playoffs, which is what matters most)
That’s how I personally think things went down, but I could be 100% wrong. Who knows I guess!
by packallday555 on Aug 29, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
my point was that a young guy getting his butt chewed by a veteran is going to take it much better coming from a guy that has been busting his butt all off season vs a guy who’s been sitting at home wondering if he make it another year.
i’d rather get my butt chewed by a guy working right beside me than by a guy relaxing in his lawn chair while i work.
favre can get away with that sort of thing to some extent simply because he is favre. the young guys might resent it a little but probably no more than they resent most of the special treatment given to long term vets (ie pat williams sitting out early preseason). but if favre doesn’t live up to the hype then those resentments will grow and before long even the other vets might start thinking or saying ‘if he had been here in the offseason…’
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 30, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
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