Most Overrated Team
by skolvikes on Aug 4, 2009 10:03 PM CDT
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PrintTonight, we're going to lay down a few facts that point to the Bears as being the most overrated team this season.
Lets start with the Bears highly touted Defense:
In 2007, da Bears ranked 28th in league in total yardage allowed (355 ypg). 24th in the rush( 122 ypg) and 27th in the pass(231 ypg). They also finished 16th in points allowed.
Now last year, they did improve slightly but were still in the bottom halve of the league in total ypg (21st) , pass ypg (30th), and points allowed (16th). They did however finish an impressive 5th in rush defense after finishing 24th the year before.
Saying that the defense is the same defense of the 4 or 5 years ago is a joke. They haven't performed at that level for quite some time now. I know last year was last year and this year is this year, but the Bears have done little to improve their defense other than release Mike Brown (?) and sign a new d-line coach, who by the way led the lions into infamy last season.
And yes the Bears have talented linebackers in Urlacher and Biggs, but Urlachers had problems with his back and neck and hasn't made the Pro-Bowl since 2006.
Then there's Tommie Harris, he recently had his knees rebuilt and hasn't been a Pro-Bowler since 2007 and couldn't put in a full season last year.
I'm just going to say the pass D is a joke and now without Brown they'll be a bigger joke, evidence of this can be found in the gametape of week 7 and 13. Hell, you can get a better pic of their whole defense in thos tapes.
The Bears have the second best D in the North, but they shouldn't be relying to heavily on them this season unless somehow a miracle happens and Urlacher's arthritis disappears and Harris's legs holdup.
Now Special Teams:
Though they still can be explosive, without Hester there is really no need to pay extra special attention to them. Hester would have been the best returner of all time had he not switched to WR.
And Finally Offense:
Let's get this out of the way; without the addition of Jay "Baby" Cutler this team wouldn't even be talked about this year.
Jay Cutler: 17-20 as a starter on a very talented and capable Broncos team. Last season he threw 25 td passes compared to 18 picks on a team that only allowed 12 sacks all season long. 12 sacks and 18 picks. Those numbers shouldn't coincide. Especially, when those 12 sacks were allowed in 620 qb dropbacks. Poor decision making? IDK, because protection doesn't appear to have been the problem.And oh yeah, teams don't trade franchise qbs if they are in fact franchise qbs.
Matt Forte, is a good up and coming back, but he averaged less than 4 ypc last year.
WR's are iffy at best, according to Bear's sources Bennet and Hester have improved but after lackluster seasons last year and the fact that neither appear to be red zone targets doesn't help their case.
Their o-line is old and decrepit, players are let go for a reason and Pace hasn't played a full season in quite some time. Kreutz got worked last season. Schaffer let go by the Browns, need I say more. They also allowed their qb to get sacked the ninth most times last season with 43 sacks allowed.
Overrated, because those stats don't impress me. No one on that team has warranted the hype they've gotten this year. Not even Cutler, and especially not their defense.
All information gotten from profootballreference.com, nfl.com, chicagobears.com, wikipedia.org, and yahoo sports.
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the Bears are becoming a joke
and Culter is a “baby” as you pointed out above. He isn’t going to help them much anyway.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 4, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions
Ok, lets go with an analogy for the "Cutler is a baby" nonsense.
Let’s say you’re in a fairly happy relationship. Everything’s going good, and the promises and love are flowing just fine. Then you get a call from your friend who tells you your wife/girlfriend was out trying to hook up with some other guy. She didn’t actually do it, cause she’s kinda fugly and the other guy shot her down (Milwaukee guys are familiar with this, I’m sure). Obviously you’re really pissed and you’re ready to issue some walking papers, but you calm down and decide to talk things out. Then while trying to reconcile, she tells you that she’s willing to stay with you, but she’d still rather get, umm, let’s go with a good pipe cleaning, from the other guy. Do you just smile and happily take her back, or do you toss her out and go after her sister and her best friend? Does choosing the latter make you a baby? No, it makes you pissed off and spiteful, and her sister was hotter anyways.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Good analogy
Except for one thing. THE NFL IS NOT A RELATIONSHIP! Any player that thinks of an NFL team as his girlfriend has got some serious problems.
How about this analogy?
Lets say you’re an NFL player. Your team gets a new head coach. Your new head coach is coming in and trying to turn around a lackluster franchise. He thinks you are an alright player, but he likes the player he has been working with for years better than he likes you. He tries to get said player. He doesn’t succeed. He tells you straight up, instead of lying to your face.
Now at this point you have 2 options:
1) take it like a man and go out there every day to prove to your new boss that you are better than that other player.
2) Cry like a little baby and demand to be traded.
(and from a QB standpoint, do you really think Chicago is “hotter” than Denver who has a very good line and 2 excellent WRs?)
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Aug 7, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, but you're missing a couple pieces.
Like when Cutler was told Shanny was going to be brought back, which didn’t happen. Or when Cutler was told that he was their qb even after Shanny was fired, and then found out that they were trying to get Cassel, who by the way, had never started a single college or pro game until last season, and performed moderately well with one of the best lines, receiving corps, and head coach in the NFL. Then when he comes in to try and sort everything out and make amends, basically get’s told by the rookie head coach to piss off.
Yeah, maybe he should have stuck it out, and maybe he could have handled it differently. But I’m willing to bet there’s not a man in here who wouldn’t be severely pissed off if it happened to them at their job, at least not anyone who takes the slightest bit of pride in their work. If you work your ass off for a company and you find out your new boss is trying to replace you with someone with considerably less experience, I think I’d be turning in resumes elsewhere too. Because he’s a ball player and makes big money, everyone wants to bash him for it. The NFL is without a doubt a business, but there’s also something called loyalty in the workplace. Unfortunately, it’s seen less and less in our society. Like any other business, if you have a highly desirable skill set and your employer chooses to dick you around, you have every right to take your skills elsewhere. And I don’t want to hear anything about him being under contract, because a team will break that contract and cut your ass faster than you can blink if they so choose. Respect begets respect, loyalty begets loyalty. It’s not a one way street.
You might also want to note that most of the Denver fans that are trashing him now are the same ones who were trashing McDaniels when this whole thing started. It wasn’t until after he was actually traded that they changed their tune, once they realized they were losing him and were stuck with their coach. It seems like it’s mostly a case of Steven Stills Syndrome; if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Didn't go down like that
When McDaniels became HC and there were rumors of a trade, he came out pubically and said Jay Cutler is our QB. Then 2 weeks later it surfaced that he had tried to trade for Cassel. Obviously your going to be pissed.
Cutler is not an “alright” QB. The fact that he led that team to 8 wins, with a horrible run game, and the 2nd worse defense in the NFL says something. He also put up great numbers considering how much he was forced to pass. I get you guys don’t like the Bears but there is no way Cutler is just an “alright” QB.
by packallday555 on Aug 8, 2009 3:34 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
cutler is good and he will get better.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 12, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I just thought how he acted was immature
I think the Bears could possibly have gotten a bad deal out of that move. I think that Culter could possibly make the Bears a joke. Which they could have avoided. I just thought it was a bad move and would have rather have him stuck with the Broncos not the Bears.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 7, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
How?
They have been a QB away from being an outstanding team for practically the last decade. So they go out and trade for a Pro Bowl QB, who has proved himself.
by packallday555 on Aug 8, 2009 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions
i wouldn’t go so far as to say outstanding. there’s only 1 truly outstanding team in the nfc north. you happen to be blogging on a site devoted to said team.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 12, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha
I don’t know if 10 wins qualifies you as outstanding…. I say that more so back when their defense was so dominant and they had Rex and Orton.
by packallday555 on Aug 12, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i’m just messing with ya. but seriously, the vikings are the class of the north, and probably the south, east, and west as well. it’s a purple thing.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 12, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me put a few names out here...
Kyle Orton, Brian Griese, Rex Grossman, Kordell Stewart, Craig Krenzl, Jonathan Quinn, Danny Wuerfell, Jim Miller, Shane Matthews
This is only a partial listing of our recent qb’s. But you feel that Jay Cutler could make the Bears a joke?
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
well judging on the list no
Grossman wasn’t that bad. I just think the Bears deserve better that Cutler, thats all.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 8, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
ok I lied...Grossman was awful
I looked him up and he was worse than I thought
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 8, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
that’s a really terrible list of qb’s. i don’t feel so bad about ours now.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 12, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Da Bears
Have a way of even/ odd years one they have a good year next they dont,skip a year repeat.Dont sell them out quite yet and to tell the truth it looks like NFC is up for grabs.
I love me some Vikes,but this aint a 1 and done season crown us.Bears do have the upgrade at Q.B because Cutler has to prove himself this year.Dont count the Lions out,after last year expect some hard hitting football from them even if they win 1 game its an improvement.Lions going to play some smash mouth football this year.The Pack is going to replace the Lions this year at the Bottom.Theres film now and they going after him,Rodgers is going to play mattress Q.B. this year spending most of his time on his back.The Vikes an intersting year lays before them but what will hold them back is the Coach and the Q.B.
THE WINNERS:Lions,Bear,Vikes end up in a 3 way tie this year broken by inches.
The Lions?
I agree, they must improve… but in contention for the division title? I guess crazier things have happened.
Purple is the new black.
Just to help everyone out, here's a rough translation:
The Bears have a way of being good every other year – they have a good year, the next they don’t, and so forth. Don’t sell them out quite yet as it looks like the NFC is up for grabs. I love the Vikings, but a division crown isn’t a given this season. The Bears have upgraded at quarterback with Jay Cutler, who must prove himself this year. Don’t count the Lions out either. After a disappointing season last year, expect some hard hitting football from them. Even if they only win 1 game, it’s still an improvement. The Packers will replace the Lions as the bottom-dwellers of the NFC North. Teams now have film on Aaron Roders and will now how to attack him; he’ll be a “Mattress Q.B.” this year as he’ll be spending most of his time on his back. The Vikings have an interesting year ahead of them with the biggest question marks being the head coach and quarterback.
THE WINNERS: The Vikings and anyone who bought stock in Microsoft in the 80’s
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Problem with your theory
They weren’t good in 2007 OR 2008.
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by Christopher Gates on Aug 7, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
“The Packers will replace the Lions as the bottom-dwellers of the NFC North. Teams now have film on Aaron Roders and will now how to attack him; he’ll be a "Mattress Q.B." this year as he’ll be spending most of his time on his back.”
Easily the dumbest thing I’ve read on any blog.
by packallday555 on Aug 8, 2009 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Just a disclaimer...
… … The above post is in no way my theory or opinion. I was simply trying to help out speedlod (and all readers of this thread) since it looked like there were some spelling/grammar issues. Please know that the only parts of his post I agree with (and the parts that most could agree with) are:
1) The Bears have an upgrade at QB with Cutler
2) If the Lions win 1 game, it’s an improvement
3) There’s film on Aaron Rodgers now
That’s literally it! In fact, while typing that translation, it was difficult for my fingers to write something like “after last year expect some hard hitting football from the Lions”… last year (and the 8 previous years) is exactly why you SHOULDN’T expect hard hitting football from the Lions.
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haha ok
I also agree with the 3 things you do.
by packallday555 on Aug 8, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Grizzled Bears
I agree with the articles assesment of the Bears. My roommate is from Chicago and was on the Bears NFC North Champs bandwagon from the moment the Cutler trade was announced…………Then I explained to him the same points the author made. The look on his face was priceless.
I agree that Chicago is overrated
but their fans all think we’re overrated too, so, there ya go.
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
Agreed. :)
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by Ashley Czuba on Aug 5, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
although
im not exactly sure how a team who won the division last year and now isn’t even being projected by many to repeat can be deemed “overrated”, but whatever. :)
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
But everyone overrates their own team...
I’m not trying to argue, just saw the article and needed to say it. :)
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Aug 5, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, no
im not trying to argue either, just throwing a little quip in there. More for the pundits & talking heads.
Frankly, I think our division as a whole is very underrated.
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
I agree.
And I knew you weren’t starting an argument, but whenever a different fan comes to a blog, there’s always a few who are defensive from the beginning – rather necessary or not. I was just covering my bases. :)
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Aug 5, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
not trying to argue
but it’s not just the fans its also the mainstream media that has given this team so much undeserved hype for simply adding a decent to good qb.
Ok
I see what you’re saying but allow me to put this out to you. How much “added” coverage did the Vikes get in the Brett Farve will he won’t he saga? Why was it so important? Beacuase getting a franchise QB is a big deal. That’s why Cutler has garnered so much attention and while you may not think he’s a franchise QB, there are others who would dispute that . But you are entitled to your opinion.
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by Ditkavsworld on Aug 5, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Cherry-picking stats much?
How about how the Bears were 2nd in the entire league in creating TOs last year? How about the Bears defense being in the top-5 against the rush? Yards allowed has to be the worst rankings when it comes to gauging a defenses’ performance. Points allowed and turnovers are the only ones that really matter. Like you said, the Bears 16th ranking is pretty darn good considering they gave up a ton of passing yards.
Let’s talk about the defensive upgrades that you conveniently ignored- Pisa at SLB, Vasher is healthy, Marinelli as D-line coach, Lovie calling the plays and coaching the nickel position (which is one of the most important positions on defense). Improved depth at DT with Gilbert (can spell Harris) playing very well so far in TC, DJ Moore at CB, a DE with great physical skills in Henry Melton.
Mike Brown- severely overrated in his older age, and contrary to thought he was a liability in pass-coverage last year. Tell me, wasn’t he the starter at FS while the Bears defense was getting torched? D. Manning has the speed, the tackling ability, range and ball-skills to succeed at FS.
Furthermore, Bowman has been a stud and will give Lovie yet another option at CB. Couple that with the addition of Marinelli (who is widely considered a top, or the top D-line coach in the league) and they should have an improved pass-rush. For you to even mention his record in Detroit shows you know nothing (important) about football. It’s a paper-thin argument that won’t hold water.
And oh yeah, teams don’t trade franchise qbs if they are in fact franchise qbs.
In regards to Cutler, I won’t really touch this cause your statement on him has no bearing whatsoever. How about showing some applicable stats or his record when his team’s defense allows 21 points? 13-1 and a career 87.1 QB rating….not too shabby considering he’s only 26.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
Yards allowed has to be the worst rankings when it comes to gauging a defenses’ performance.
I have to agree, the Vikes were victims of that the last three years as well. Nobody could run against us, so they just passed. The numbers were so lopsided, it made our pass defense look terrible on paper.
Disagreed
The Vikings pass defense was lousy last year, there’s no way to whitewash it. The fact that opposing offenses passed all day long on the Vikings just highlights that problem; we couldn’t stop them. If the pass D was better, they couldn’t have passed on us like that.
Winfield was a standout, and Madieu picked up some of the lack, but Sharper wasn’t in top form and Griffin wasn’t shutting things down either. And I won’t even go into Sapp’s poor play. Two good performers can’t control the entire backfield and the Vikings drafting of Asher Allen and pick up of Karl Paymah makes it pretty clear that they’re aware of the problem. If the pass D was on the same level as the run D, the Vikings would have probably owned the top-rated defense in the NFL, but it wasn’t.
We ranked 21st in interceptions with 12; the #1 ranked Ravens had 26 interceptions, more than twice ours. Bjorno, that’s just not good. The Vikings pass D ranked 18th overall, which I suppose isn’t too bad considering how much other teams passed on us, but it isn’t good enough. Not by a long shot.
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If the pass D was on the same level as the run D, the Vikings would have probably owned the top-rated defense in the NFL
Well…duh. But kidding aside, you are right that we really need to shore up the pass defense. The Vikes have had the “bend, but don’t break” policy on defense for WAY too long. When you can finish the year 6th in total yards allowed, 5th in TD’s allowed, 4th in sacks, and then drop to 18th in passing yards allowed, I don’t think it takes a genious to figure where the problem exists.
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+1 dc
although i wouldn’t go so far as to say lousy. not good, inconsistent, our weakness. bjorno had a good point too. our pass defense is the weakness of our d and some of that comes from the fact that our run d is so good. teams that don’t run well don’t even bother to run against us. the eagles playoff game was a perfect example. the eagles didn’t run much but we allowed mcnabb to complete 69% of his passes. that’s great for mcnab but terrible for us. and given that their average starting field position was their 36 it only took a few completions to move into field goal range. they dinged us to death.
having ej back will help some but we really need more production out of johnson, griffin, and m williams. one of our back ups stepping up and laying dominant claim to the nickel spot would help a lot too.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 12, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Vasher is healthy
Isn’t that completely untrue, or am I very mistaken?
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
peanut, and now bowman, are out
vasher has been practicing with the 1st team since the start of training camp…so yes, you were very mistaken.
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Rebuttle
stats are cherry picked to prove a point all the time, and some of those that you pointed out to me are hard to find so kudos to you. And i purposely left out some of cutlers stats because they hurt not help my argument.however i believe forcing 18 interception when you o-line was the best in pass protection all season is unacceptable. I did mention their being 5th in rushing yards allowed by the way.
I have heard bowman’s been progressing greatly this offseason. Pisa was decent in St. Louis, but ultimately he was released by a team in much worse shape than the bears. But outside of those players the others you mention are unproven rookies. Just like Harvin, Allen, Loadholt, Crabtree, etc.
As for Marinelli, he worked with arguably the most talented defense in NFL history under the legendary Monte Kiffin. Yes, the Bucs earned more sacks than any other franchise during his tenure, but he had super talent like Warren Sapp and Simeon Rice to make his job that much easier.
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18 interception when you o-line was the best in pass protection all season is unacceptable.
I agree it’s unacceptable, but almost necessary based on the nature of the Broncos defense/team. With a more conservative approach by Turner and company, Cutler should reduce his mistakes and attempts this year.
Pisa was decent in St. Louis, but ultimately he was released by a team in much worse shape than the bears.
They released him cause he’s not a good fit in Spags’ scheme, not because he didn’t produce. He’s a perfect match in the cover-2, one-gap system in which he thrived under Lovie in his early years. He’s definitely an upgrade over Roach or Hillenmeyer based on speed, coverage skills, and tackling prowess. I’d say leading your team in tackles 4 out of 6 years is better than decent.
As for Marinelli, he worked with arguably the most talented defense in NFL history under the legendary Monte Kiffin.
Whom do you think made that unit into what they became? I’m sure there were plenty other contributions, but Hot Rod had a lot to do with it.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
Considering Marinelli’s Detroit team last year couldn’t stop the run or get to the quarterback says to me that the success of the Bucs D-line was more about talent then coaching
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 5, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Just like Parcells said:
“If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries.”
I think Marinelli has a slightly better reputation around the league than Millen. The former is considered to be one of the best motivators/positions coaches, while the latter, one of the worst GMs in the entire history of the NFL.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
Huh?
I never said Millen was better then Marinelli
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 5, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Read between the lines
No, but the idiot that Millen is had a huge impact on Marinelli’s tenure and record. He drafted like a clown, and didn’t give the talent needed to succeed at the NFL level. It was well known that Marinelli had virtually zero talent, and got a raw deal while in Detroit.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
But if he’s such a great coach he should be able to groom them correct?
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 7, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
No
Because like he said there was pretty much no talent in Detroit. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.
by packallday555 on Aug 7, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the point i'm trying to make
He’s saying that just because of their D-line coach, they will have a good D line and one that will improve in the pass rush…i’m saying you need to have talent on the D line too…you can’t just say because you have a good coach you have good players
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 7, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
The Bears do have talent on the d-line. Harris, Brown, and Ogunleye are all good players.
by packallday555 on Aug 8, 2009 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Comparing apples to oranges
With the Bears he only needs to concentrate on the D-line, but in Detroit he had the responsibility of organizing and coaching an entire team. Don’t you think there’s a huge difference? He has a proven track record as a position coach…make sense?
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
Yeah It Makes Sense
To be honest, I don’t know much of anything about Marinelli’s coaching past other then what he did in Detroit last year, so that doesn’t make a great impression on me. But I was just playing devil’s advocate with you more than anything. I’m sure he’ll do well as the D-line coach.
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 10, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha
I can see why people want to point out his glaring 0-16 record as a head coach, but he has a great track record as a D-line coach.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
not sure where I read this
but it said the broncos brass asked cutler to be very aggressive because the D was so bad, which accounts for some of the ints
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by leopoldjones on Aug 5, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Bears D is going to be vastly improved this year.
I wouldn’t underestimate an overrated Bears defense. Even if they are over-rated, they are still solid. That will certainly help Cutler out, as he won’t have to score 40 points to win games anymore like he had to in Denver.
But I still think that this upcoming year is going to be difficult for the Bears offense.
Sure, Cutler is a huge upgrade, but we have to take into account that he is learning a whole new system in just one off-season. There is going to be some growing pains associated with his transition, couple that with the lack of solid WR play and Cutler is going to struggle a bit his first year in.
If the reports regarding his personality are accurate, he will likely get pissy if his Wideouts don’t live up to his expectations.
The Cutler trade was a good thing for the Bears, but it is going to be a VERY rough ride for Bears fans as they watch Cutler’s numbers drop dramatically and see Orton’s numbers get better and better in the first year. That will likely change next year. But this year, I get to watch my friends who are Bears fans rip their hair out for at least one season.
Back to the title of my last post...
Something I forgot to explain.
But the Bears defense will not spend NEARLY as much time on the field as they have in years passed. Though the offense will struggle a bit, they will still be better at mounting longer drives than they were in the past. That will help the Bears D a heck of a lot.
I don't think most Bears fans are expecting overnight miracles.
At least not those of us who are properly grounded, but he is a considerable step up from every QB we’ve had for years. He gives our offense an istant upgrade, though it doesn’t make us the 99 Rams by any stretch.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I like how you say the 99 Rams
and not the 98 Vikings!
by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Aug 7, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
lol honestly didn't occur to me.
Although, I could point out that only one of those teams actually closed the deal…
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I understand what you're saying about Cutler
and how he is having to adapt to another team. And I agree. My thoughts from the beginning have been that we will be better this year than last, but next year will be when we can really tell he knows what he’s doing.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Aug 5, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
he won’t have to score 40 points to win games anymore like he had to in Denver
Unles he’s playing the Vikes at Soldier Field ;)
What a game that was! (Even if we DID lose…)
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
If the reports regarding his personality are accurate
They 100% are, but I’m not sure I see that really affecting anything on the field.
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
Cutler's Got 3 years left including this year
Then we’ll see what his true feelings about Chicago are.
Dallas is very overrated IMO
Just to add another team in there
WHAT??
we saw who the most overrated team in the NFL was last year when the purple pp eaters played that wildcard team (that the bears beat by the way) in the playoffs.
by Staleystan595455 on Aug 5, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
I could be mistaken but I don't think I saw the Bears in the playoffs last year....interesting
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 5, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Deflect your teams short comings and take a shot at mine. The Bears were being projected to win 6 games last season, the fact that we even came close was a pleasant surprise. Meanwhile your team is projected to go to the superbowl but eventually cant even take care of a wildcard team that tied with the bengals. And as long as we are talking about the past how many superbowls do The Viqueens have? o wait sorry…
by Staleystan595455 on Aug 5, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep Holding On To The Past To Make U Feel Better
I hope that keeps you from crying at night when you know that the viKINGS are a better team then the bears and will be for years to come.
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 6, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Weird that you should say that
Because all the Bears had to do to get into the playoffs last year and get themselves another ass-kicking from the Vikings was beat a Houston Texans team that the Vikings beat at the mid point of the season.
Yeah. . .how’d that work out for everybody? Good? Did it go the way you wanted it to?
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by Christopher Gates on Aug 7, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Injury bug got us in the playoffs
We were able to win enough games to get in without our defensive captain E.J. Henderson, but it really showed his absence in the play-offs against Philly. Especially when Pat Williams went down, it really hurt. But no excuses, we might have been over-rated last year, but many believed we were lucky to have been hosting a game.
SKOL
Dallas, Saints, and Chargers.
Should be rated ahead of the Bears. Dallas cause they haven’t won anything, the Saints ditto besides NFC championship in ’06, and Chargers have arguably have had the most talented roster the past few years.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
Bears aren't overrated
The Cowboys hands down have to be the most overrated team in the league. The past few years they have been the most talented team in the league (supposedly), and it has got them a playoff loss, and no playoffs last year.
They've created a real peach of a post over at the WCG
The Bears fans apparently have nothing better to do but to come over here and copy our posts and cry over what we said
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 5, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions
lol!
look at what those mean vikings fans are saying about our team! cutler! waaaaaaahhhh!
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 5, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't flatter yourself, sweetheart.
We just like to see other teams’ opinions. I believe our conversation (except for a few crazy ones) has been quite civil and intelligent.
Btw, I’m going to be at the Bears vs. Vikings game @ Soldier Field in Dec. I just wanted to say that I am very excited not only to see the Bears live, but the Vikings as well. I am looking forward to a good game!
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
I’ve been looking at the responses over at the WCG and wouldn’t call a lot of them civil or intelligent
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 5, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on Loki,
You can’t generalize an entire fan base from a few comments from certain posters. Just like I will not lump all Viking’s fans into one category based on a select few of your posters. Nor will I categorize you, overall, based solely on a few of your comments.
Some of the post over there are the “my team is better than yours” brand. But then again, so are some of your comments. Silly childishness only breeds more silly childishness. Neither parties are right.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Most of the time I like to engage in civil intelligent conversations…but when I see people making fun of my team, i’m not just going to ignore it…even if it is silly and juvenile…i’m sorry, that’s just my personality, i get a temper easily…and I know not all bears fans are like some of those ass-hats over there…i just get a little worked up sometimes and am eager to try and get my point across.
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 6, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's your glorious little thread
http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2009/8/5/978287/most-overrated-team-wcg-version
If you can find so much as one example on this site of us crapping on WCG at anywhere near the level you all seem to take great pleasure in crapping on this site, I’ll PayPal you a dollar.
You guys are fine ones to be talking about intellect and class. And, as always, whenever Bear fans attempt to talk about class and intellect, it’s time to break out the ol’ standby. . .
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by Christopher Gates on Aug 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Typical.
You are doing the same thing that Loki was; generalizing an entire fan base from a few examples. Is that me in the above photo? No. Yet, you think I have the same mentality as that jerk, why? Have I ever “crapped on your site,” as you so eloquently put it? No.
Grow up, dude.
- Smudgers
"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
Go to hell
You and your fellow “fans” over at WCG seem to enjoy referring to this place as a slum and seem to have no problem with “generalizing” Viking fans.
Take your self-righteous BS somewhere else.
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by Christopher Gates on Aug 19, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, because that's what they do
I have all the respect in the world for the head guy at WCG. Unfortunately, he managed to find a couple of co-bloggers that are complete morons and like to run around telling people how wonderful they are and how great their team is and how great their site is while shitting on everyone else’s and then trying to play the “waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I can’t believe you’re picking on me” card.
Those two guys (GeauxBears and ChiFan13) have diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the mind.
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by Christopher Gates on Aug 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
“diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the mind”
haha i’m going to use that one
by Loki The Viking God on Aug 7, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bears are not that talented, but Lovie Smith is a good coach.
I agree to some level that the Bears are overrated. I however don’t get too caught up on win loss catergories of QBs that have played only 3 seasons. The Broncos have had sub par defenses to go along with him. Jay Cutler’s played better in his 8-8 win/loss (28tds-18ints, 282.9y/g & 62.3%) than Gus Frerotte did going 8-3 (12tds-15ints,196.1y/g & 59.1%). Gotta love that Viking D. The defense and the addition of Percy Harvin have me believing the Vikes can beat the Bears twice this season.
However the 16-0 Tom Brady season, where he was thought to be untouchable (until the SB) he posted a 3.5sack%. Last year Cutler posted a league best 1.8sack%, yikes! Go Jared! Griffen & Winfield get those INTS!
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
The bears are not overrated in how much BS luck they get….I’ve never seen a team get more random bounces to go their way as the bears of 08. Between the Bears and the Pack, and as a true vikes fan it kills me to say it (so it must be true), the Pack deserved to be the 9-7 team and the bears deserved to be the 6-10 team.
This is the post im coming back to
when we spank you this season.
by Staleystan595455 on Aug 6, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions
No, he's into S&M.
He plans on actually spanking you.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
The Lions
After the 2008 Dolphins, it will be chic for some to predict a big turnaround in Detroit. Others will simply say that this year’s Lions can’t be as bad as the 2008 Lions.
I think they can come very close to 2-14 or worse. Normally, I like seeing guys like TE Brandon Pettigrew enjoy 1st round success and go on to produce like a WR, but this guy has to be the next Tony Gonzalez to begin to give this team a chance to win a few games.
I thought this would be the place
To point out that thug life is alive and well in the Windy City.
That’s some mighty fine police work, Lou.
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by Christopher Gates on Aug 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
Is it just me?
or is Lance a woman?..If you showed me that 10 different times, i believe I’d guess a woman every single time. I don’t know what I’d do if a woman that large attacked me. Poor soul, how will he sleep at night?
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