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Strange Praise for Rosenfels

The news wasn't exactly coming fast and furious today, but I did want to quickly mention something from Grandpa Sports' column.  It featured an interview with Rick Spielman who was trying to express confidence in Sage Rosenfels but ended up offering some fairly strange praise of the quarterback:

"This is my second time being around Sage, and he's been a very, extremely talented backup-type quarterback," Spielman said. "He has an opportunity to come in here and compete with Tarvaris [Jackson], and we feel very fortunate to have two type quarterbacks like that."

Whoo hoo!  The Vikings have two extremely talented backup-type quarterbacks!

Well, whether he knew he was doing this or not, Spielman perfectly expressed the anxieties of myself and others who lack confidence in the current quarterbacks on the roster. 

No one doubts that T-Jack and Rosenfels would be fine backup quarterbacks -- as Spielman himself said, they would be considered "extremely talented" in such a role.  But unfortunately, this isn't a competition to see who's good enough to become the backup quarterback.  We're trying to fill the starting quarterback slot with two quarterbacks that Spielman concedes should probably be considered "backup-types" more than anything.

The headline of the column is "Spielman believes in new QB Rosenfels," but he wasn't exactly overflowing with confidence in Sage.  Calling his comments "praise" might even be generous.

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Awesome

Now all we have to do is trade Chester to the Saints for Mark Brunell and we can have the extremely talented backup-type quarterback trifecta!

by Zoltan on Aug 6, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions  

that is so funny

I wish I could have thought of that!

by montana vikes fan on Aug 7, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then the Vikings could have their OWN Wildcat...

The Super Mega Jaguar Extreme or something, with Tarvaris taking the snap, handing off to Sage, who throws it to Brunell, who launches it deep to Tarvaris, who laterals to Sage…

CHAMPIONSHIP.

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Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Aug 7, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why do we have Brad Childress when we can have Manimal?

"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.

by Gonzo2 on Aug 7, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOVE IT.

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Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Aug 7, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

We better make the deal soon. This is a make-or-break deal for us, and I would hate for someone to scoop up Brunell before us.

In AP I trust
Just say no to Favre.
F-A-R-V-A =/= F-A-V-R-E

by FarvaForTheVikings on Aug 7, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Booty

Does that mean John David Booty is a backup-backup-type quarterback? It’s scary when you start thinking Michael Vick is an attractive option.

Thus I salute the fortress,
Safe from terror and dread.
Wife, follow me
and dwell with me in Valhalla!

by Franciscan Viking on Aug 7, 2009 1:41 AM CDT reply actions  

I've been in the Sage bandwagon

Poll time! Make it happen!

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by y2jayjk on Aug 7, 2009 2:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Typical

To go with our extemely talented (not) backup type coaching staff…

by vikinggtrdude on Aug 7, 2009 4:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Leinart

Until Favre starts his drama-queen un-un-un-un-un-retirement crap again in September, I expect to hear some of Matt Leinart-to-the-Vikings trade rumors. Praise for Jackson’s and Rosenfel’s back-up skills will do nothing to stop this.

Thing is, I see nothing in Leinart to think he would be an upgrade over Tar-fels. I certainly don’t think Leinart would be worth Chester Taylor, even in the last year of his contract.

At least the Vikings shot down the Vick rumors. Leaving all the baggage that dogs him aside, the Vikings already have a younger, better, felony-free version of Vick in Percy Harvin. Raw talent and hype aside, Vick was really just the best novelty act in NFL QB history.

None of this addresses the Tar-fels dilemma, though. I continue to believe (unless Jackson or Rosenfels rises above excellent backup QB-level mediocrity) that the Vikings missed the boat in not signing Jeff Garcia.

by Midnight Rambler on Aug 7, 2009 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Leinart?

Who has been reporting anything regarding that?

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by Manimal on Aug 7, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure the Cards are content with holding on to Leinart...

… you know, having like a 40 year old starting QB and all.

Go Nevada Wolf Pack!

by BacksThePack on Aug 7, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

I just haven’t heard anything regarding any sort of Leinart trade reports or even rumors. I was curious where he was coming up with those ideas.

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by Manimal on Aug 7, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow...thats the most ridiculous thing i have hear all day

you can’t be serious? leinart is currently competing for the NUMBER 2 spot on his own roster against brian st. pierre. many are tagging him as one of the biggest draft busts in recent memory.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/04/AR2009080402498.html?wprss=rss_sports

by iowa_cyclone on Aug 7, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of successful football pros say that the reason why, in their opinion, so many guys bust has nothing to do with talent but everything to do with drive/determination. They feel “I made it” and they lose the determination to work harder than everyone else to be really good.

I think ole Matt has a personality where he just likes to ride the good times. Hence the near pointless 5th year at USC and hence his well known party habit since becoming a pro. He’s just happy to collect his big check, party hardy and then thinks “they spent loads of money so they’re just gonna give me reigns at some point just like in college”.

I dont think he realizes how wrong he is on how the nfl works.

by Hoss-Drone on Aug 7, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Leinart response... talk about on the fence

I guess if you don’t think Leinart is an upgrade from Sage & Tavaris, than no he isn’t worth Chester. However Leinart could be had for a resonable price for the next few years. If you, we, they (Viking staff most importantly) think Matt is an upgrade, than he is worth it.

I just have not watched enough on Leinart to know if he is.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Aug 7, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garcia

Garcia has been undervalued everywhere he goes. Would probably fit well with the Vikings, but could he stretch 8 and 9 out of the box?

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Aug 7, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

garcia

i would have loved seeing garcia play for the vikes, but i don’t think that he & clueless could have co-exsisted.

by indianavikesfan on Aug 7, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Childress' Plan?

As I have been telling a co-worker who thinks the Vikes can do no wrong – as opposed to myself who sees things a little more realistically – Chilly didn’t sign Rosenfels to be his starter and T-Jack isn’t the answer either. Rosenfels was Plan B.

The Favre Fiasco™ was Chilly’s plan for a starter and it blew up in his face.

Now he has to play Sage Rosenfels (please, is that a QB name? Or a kicker’s?) or T-Jack, neither of whom is a franchise quarterback.

We are so screwed.

Of course, this means Favre will come riding in on his pale horse on or about 1 Sep to save the day.

What did we do to deserve this?

by Ragnar on Aug 7, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions  

really?
We are so screwed.

really? we went 10-6 last year with arguably worse talent. set a record for the worst special teams unit in the history of the nfl (which is hopefully fixed this year). and you think we’re screwed?

that’s the kinda screwing i like i guess.

by iseepurplepeople on Aug 7, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Leinart

Haven’t heard any Leinart-to-Minnesota rumors, but the Cardinals said Leinart will be competing for the back-up job, not the starting position, which is Kurt Warner’s. This announcement started the ESPN talking heads speculating about whether Leinart should have a fresh start somewhere else, in addition to discussions about his trade value.

The Vikings’ QB situation being what it is now, I fully expect to hear someone report Leinart-for-Chester Taylor rumors, or at least make the suggestion. Myself, I don’t think Leinart is worth that, or much at all, from the Vikings’ point of view. Adding Leinart would be like adding another Tar-fels, given what Leinart has actually accomplished on-field in his NFL career.

Anyhow, as Ragnar just said, I fully expect Favre’s name to re-surface before the end of September.

by Midnight Rambler on Aug 7, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Will the line be better?

Yes we need to feel better about the QB issue, but a good line will help any of are QB’s confidence! We should watch what is going on more with the center, right guard, and right tackle as much as the QB. Minn. has so much Talent out there that if the line comes together, the issue of QB will not be important until the play offs. No on Farve and yes on Cutler would have been the answer here. They should have draft him in Chilli’s first year! TJ and Sage can do the job and may slip through the play offs. Injuries could spell problems!

by Chuck forman on Aug 7, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

“He Has been an extremely talented backup type quarterback.”

Yeah, that’s what he’s been. I don’t think Spielman is saying, “He is an extremely talented backup type quarterback”.

I think you are all misconstruing this quote.

"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."

The greatest news I've heard all year!

by TheViking83 on Aug 7, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

I think your preconceived notion that Tavaris and Sage suck hot air led you astray. I highly doubt Spielman would publicly declare that both our QBs are only backup quality. I don’t know about you but I am excited as all hell for some Vikes domination this year. Have faith fellow Purple.

by Jepp The Viking on Aug 7, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

+10

It’s good to see that somebody’s paying close attention around here.

by virginia viking on Aug 7, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

so not only is he a backup type qb, he’s also a has been?

gotcha.

by iseepurplepeople on Aug 7, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

was that a lame joke

or are you really that clueless?

"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."

The greatest news I've heard all year!

by TheViking83 on Aug 9, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you give Sage a Valium

He would probably calm down and do well. As a Texans fan I’ve seen him play a lot. He’s actually a pretty decent Q.B., but he gets too excited and wants to prove that HE can win the game NOW, instead of sticking to the game plan. Like I said, give the man a Valium.

by drunk dog on Aug 7, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

“Give em the shot. Make him understand.” – Coach Kilmer in Varsity Blues

by Hoss-Drone on Aug 7, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

He does try to force things

It’s like he doesn’t realize he only has average arm strength and tries to thread the needle to often. That leads to picks. If he had Jackson’s arm he could make most of those throws, but he doesn’t and if he wins the starting position it will be with his head not his arm.

by ChemErik on Aug 7, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's Talk Quarterbacks

It’s ironic, the people who have actually good things to say about Sage have been Texan fans, the ones who have been watching him play the last couple of seasons. ChemErik made a good point with Sage, that he screwed up when he had to win games by himself, and make deep and dangerous throws because either the team was behind and the clock was ticking away or the defense wasn’t scared at all of the run. The Vikings finally have a defense that can hold on to a lead and a running game that forces defenses to put eight in the box and leave some gaps in the pass defense. He needs to be accurate, not powerful to succeed with this team.

And it’s been well lauded that Rogers and Culter are considered better than either Rosenfels or Jackson, but here’s a point I’ve pondered…

What if the starting QB for either the Pack, Bears, or Vikings goes down. Who backs them up?

Let’s see….the Packers…Matt Flynn is listed as second and he has thrown all of two passes in the NFL in one game and lost a fumble on top of it. The third-stringer, Brian Bohm has zero experience.

The Bears have Caleb Haine who has no experience either and their third-stringer Brent Basanez has six passes in one game to his resume.

Granted, there could be a Matt Cassel lurking in there, but I doubt it. And if for argument’s sake Sage starts and goes down, then Tarvaris takes over…I think I would take Tarvaris over the back-ups for the Pack and Bears. No offense to either Haine or Flynn. The Vikings may not have the best starter, but they will have the best back-up by far of the three.

by Purple And Gold Forever on Aug 7, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

i agree, somewhat

i understand the point you are making. as a team, we are in a better situation than our nfc north rivals at the qb position. however, are we better when our starter has to play the whole game? which is most likely to happen.

by indianavikesfan on Aug 7, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which brings us back to our original point—that we have good backup quarterbacks, but not good starting quarterbacks.

Thus I salute the fortress,
Safe from terror and dread.
Wife, follow me
and dwell with me in Valhalla!

by Franciscan Viking on Aug 7, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Hopefully one will be backing up a rookie starter next season

They seem to do as well as anyone else getting their first starts in the NFL nowadays. And there will be lots of first round talent at QB in the next draft so I expect that’s where we’ll go (finally).

I’m surprised Childress hasn’t tried to bring in another backup—though one that has started quite a bit—that he is familiar with from Philly (Feeley). The guy might actually be their 3rd QB so how hard could it be to get him?

by Bodysuit Man on Aug 7, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Both QB's will be fine.

It’s the Pass-Blocking, and the Play Calling that I’m worried about.
  
We’ll have 2-Rookies on the O-line. I hear Loadholt favors the run more than the pass?

Will Childress ever pass the ball on 1st down, or will he stick to passing on 3rd and long only?

by chaosg on Aug 7, 2009 7:22 PM CDT reply actions  

DO YOU KNOW WHERE WE CAN SEE STATS ON THESE?

I mean actual tendencies, “vikes run on 45% of 2nd down” etc.

I look on the net and it’s all betting sites I can’t fine a real good solid free site =/

nfl.com is too basic

cromscorner.blogspot.com

by Crom on Aug 8, 2009 3:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

No I don't.

Maybe Yahoo Sports, under “Situation Stats”?

by chaosg on Aug 8, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think either QB will do "just fine"

We have more weapons. Adding just one more weapon creates an entirely different schematic for opposing defenses. now instead of dumping it to tahi one on one for a two yard gain on a check down, we can dump it to percy for example. even if he only plays a third of the downs he can be a decoy. we can just leave him in the flat and throw in between their DB and LB assuming someone is ghosting him and if it’s a zone, great, he’s open.

I don’t see the point in nay-saying, yes, t Jack choked in the playoffs but it doesnt mean he’ll keep choking, and yes, SAGE never beat out other QBs for a starting role but so what? human beings have a learning curve and maybe just knowing there is ALREADY AN AVG quarterback behind him will force T JACK to step up, ever think of that fellas?

i say this all the time but TEAMS ARE GROWING LIFE FORCES LIKE AMOEBAS AND THEY ADAPT AND EVOLVE. WE ARE EVOLVING. JUST LOOK AT THE SLOW EVOLUTION OF OUR TEAM OVER THE LAST THREE SEASONS. EXPECT MORE =P

my two cents

cromscorner.blogspot.com

by Crom on Aug 8, 2009 3:26 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope Tarvaris can do well...

The injuries dont sound good… and yes I watched the playoff game last year
but I still want to believe. Help me TJ

by ryzim22 on Aug 8, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I want Jackson to succeed too.

Jackson didn’t exactly lose the Playoff game for us. That was Jimmy Johnson outsmarting Darrel Bevell and B.Childress. It was the defense giving up that screen-pass to Westbrook late in the 4th. It was the ST’s never giving the offense good field position.

There are many reasons why the Vikings lost. Jackson is just a scapegoat.

by chaosg on Aug 8, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Spielman presented his praise in an interesting way. I wonder how Sage feels about being a “one of the best back-up QBs”.

by packallday555 on Aug 8, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions  

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