Vikings' Training Camp Battles: Wide Receiver
When it comes to Minnesota Vikings' Training Camp, all eyes are pretty well focused on the battle at the quarterback position, as well they should be. We've done quite a bit of looking at the QB battle ourselves, and will continue to do so as the next couple of weeks go by. However, there are some other interesting depth chart fights taking place out there as well, and after the Summer of That One Guy, we need to take a closer look at a couple of them.
We're going to do that today, starting with the wide receiver position. Even though the Vikings' receivers aren't elite or anything, it's pretty impressive to see how far they've evolved in terms of talent during the Childress era. The receiver corps for Childress' first season in 2006 consisted of
-Troy Williamson
-Marcus Robinson
-Travis Taylor
-Billy McMullen
-Bethel Johnson
Man. . .compared to that group, our current receiver corps looks like Moss, Carter, and Reed, doesn't it?
In the three years Childress has been in Minnesota, he's only kept five receivers on the roster. If that's the case this year, and there hasn't been any indication given to think that it won't be, then it's going to make for some interesting decisions when the final cuts are made. Cutting Aundrae Allison a few days ago may have helped a little bit, but there's still going to be a log jam.
The way I see it, there are three receivers in camp right now that are absolute, 100% locks to be on the roster on 13 September in Cleveland. I don't think anybody questions whether or not Bernard Berrian, Percy Harvin, or Sidney Rice are going to make the team. Honestly, those will probably be the top 3 guys on the depth chart, provided that Rice can stay healthy for more than five consecutive minutes. The Vikings currently have ten receivers in camp, which means. . .in theory. . .that those remaining seven guys are competing for two roster spots. In reality, however, I think there are only three or four guys that are competing for those spots, while the rest are just camp bodies.
The Kid With All the Buzz
Since the off-season workouts began, the raves have come from all corners about second-year man Jaymar Johnson. Former Viking great Cris Carter worked out with Johnson (among others) at his receiving camp, and had nothing but good things to say about the 6', 185-pound speedster from Jackson State.
"You could tell that he went to a school that didn't have a sophisticated passing attack," Carter said of Johnson, a sixth-round draft pick out of Jackson (Miss.) State last year. "But he has phenomenal quickness and speed. Phenomenal. And his hands are better than you would think, from a guy that fast.""He could start for the Vikings," said Carter, now an ESPN analyst.
Coach Childress also said that Johnson might be the hardest working guy on the team, based on the progress he's made since being the Vikings' sixth-round selection in 2008 and spending the year on the practice squad.
The scouting report on Johnson tells us that he's got outstanding speed and quickness, as Carter noted, has pretty decent hands, and runs pretty good routes. The big knock on him was his size, but he's added almost 20 pounds since last season, so it doesn't appear that's going to be an issue any more. It will be interesting to see how the Vikings use him in 2008, because I have a feeling we're going to be hearing his name a lot.
The Guy Whose Job Might Not Be As Secure As I Originally Thought
I'll be honest with you. . .I think that a lot of fans have given Bobby Wade a raw deal since the Vikings signed him as a free agent before the 2007 season. The guy has led the team in receptions both years he's been a Viking, and while he's not super spectacular or anything, the guy has been a fairly steady, level-headed presence for this Vikings team. Should Bobby Wade be a starting wide receiver in the National Football League? No, probably not. Is he as bad as a lot of people would have you believe he is? Certainly not.
The problem that Wade is going to run into this season is attempting to figure out where, exactly, he fits into the roster. His ideal spot is as a slot receiver, but Percy Harvin will almost certainly take a big part of that role away, and he has to watch his back for another guy on this list that I'll get to momentarily. He could also possibly fit in as a punt returner, but the Vikings appear to be grooming both Harvin and Jaymar Johnson to take on those responsibilities. He's simply not big enough to line up full-time on the outside, and even if he was, Bernard Berrian and Sidney Rice have those spots locked down.
Before the off-season started, I was certain that Wade was going to be a lock to make the team again. Now, with the off-season having gone the way it has. . .I think he's about a 50/50 proposition to be here on Opening Weekend.
The Wild Card
Having come to the Vikings as an undrafted free agent out of West Virginia, Darius Reynaud didn't see a whole lot of action in 2008, but showed some promise in the limited playing time he did get. He averaged 25.1 yards on 8 kickoff returns, including a big 49-yarder against the Bears in Week 13. Reynaud has pretty good speed and quickness, and while not being real tall. . .he's listed at 5'9", and that might be a bit generous. . .he's got some pretty good bulk for a guy that height, weighing in at right around 200 pounds.
Word has been coming out of Mankato that Reynaud has been taking some snaps in the Loki Wildcat formation for the Vikings, which adds a little bit to his versatility. He got to the team last year in Week 12, and he appears to be over the injuries that limited him to three appearances in 2008. If he can stay healthy, he's could very easily find himself on the team as a kick return specialist, at the very least.
The "Return Guy"
Glenn Holt joined the Cincinnati Bengals as an undrafted free agent out of Kentucky in 2006 He spent last year returning kickoffs and punts for the Bengals and signed with the Vikings during the off-season. He hasn't shown much as a receiver at the NFL level. . .Holt has just 20 catches in three years, and 16 of those 20 came in 2007. . .but he has shown a little bit of spark on special teams, including a 100-yard kickoff return for a touchdown in 2007. However, since it appears that his place in the NFL is strictly on special teams, I'm not sure if he's going to be able to latch on to the roster, particularly when the Vikings have some younger and more versatile options at their disposal.
(Oh, and I put "return guy" in quotes up there because, quite frankly, I think Glenn Holt has "Maurice Hicks" written all over him. No, that's not a positive.)
The Rest
The other three receivers currently in the Vikings' employ are Vinny Perretta, Bobby Williams, and Nick Moore.
Perretta's claim to fame, at this point, is throwing the TD pass in overtime of the 2007 Fiesta Bowl that set up the "Statue of Liberty" play that current Viking Ian Johnson ran into the end zone for a Boise State victory, allowing Johnson to propose to his cheerleader girlfriend in the end zone after the upset.
(Man, if my old high school English teacher was dead, that sentence would have him spinning in his grave.)
Perretta's father, Ralph, was an NFL lineman for six years with the San Diego Chargers. Unfortunately for Perretta, I have a feeling that that's all the closer he's going to get to being in the NFL this year. He might be worth a practice squad flier, but I just don't see him being able to make the climb onto the big club, barring something strange happening.
Nick Moore, out of Toledo, is the younger brother of New Orleans Saints wide receiver Lance Moore. Like Perretta, I just think there are too many obstacles in his way to making the squad this year.
Bobby Williams is a 6'3", 195-pound receiver out of North Alabama. And, with that, you now know every bit as much about Bobby Williams as I do. He doesn't even have a picture on the Vikings' official website. Something tells me that they won't have to do a lot of looking around for one.
Gonzo's Projection
As I've already stated, Berrian, Rice, and Harvin are in. I think that Jaymar Johnson makes the squad as well. . .after all, if Cris Carter tells you that the kid can play, the kid can play.
The fifth (and possibly final) spot? Man. . .I don't know. At this point, I think you'd almost have to flip a coin between Wade and Reynaud. Or maybe Childress will be compelled to keep six wide receivers this year, although I'm not sure which position he'd sacrifice at in order to make that happen. In any case, the battle for those last two receiver spots should be a very interesting one, and definitely something non-QB related to talk about through the course of camp.
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I agree..
with the 1st four, but wade is a ‘childress kind of guy’ that I think will make the team. If chilly keeps six W.R. then Reynaud will be the guy. Besides what happens with the slot position if Harvin doesn’t live up to expectations for a full time spot there?
by PurpleCrush on Aug 8, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great analysis, as always. My hope would be for Wade to earn the fifth spot. My reasoning: as a fifth receiver (which is, I think, where he realistically fits depth wise) he becomes important to us “when” not “if” one of our WRs goes down. His game savvy and sure-handedness are exactly what we need from a depth guy, much more than we would get out of Reynaud, who basically replicates what we’d already get out of both Harvin and Johnson. Wade is no longer capable of hurting opposing teams (he probably never was), but he will give us stability and consistency when we are most in need of it.
by Anthony Carter on Aug 8, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Wade was never a great player but a great asset yes. He and Berrian provide the veteran leadership at that position you need. I also think he could also help Harvin live up to his potential. I’ve heard several interviews from the guy and he seems very down to earth and not a lot of ego as far as NFL players go.
by BP31 on Aug 8, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally I think your argument for Wade’s predicament is the same argument for Reynaud’s predicament – except Reynaud doesnt have years of actual experience in the slot in the Chilly offense. Bobby makes the team with Darius being our go to guy on the practice squad if someone gets injured. Bobby of course moves up to actually play the spot but Darius becomes the fifth guy for roster purposes.
by Hoss-Drone on Aug 8, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not to mention it would be really good to have an actual veteran in the WR locker room.
by Hoss-Drone on Aug 8, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem being
That I don’t know if we can sneak Reynaud back onto the practice squad again. We might be able to, but I don’t know if I’d bet on that or not.
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by Gonzo on Aug 8, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah..
i don’t think reynaud would make it back to the practice sqaud.
by PurpleCrush on Aug 8, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that assessment and Bobby Wade's
tougher than a pine knot. He’ll make the squad.
by VikingBillArlingtonVA on Aug 8, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to criticize but...
This article looks a lot like the one from the Trib.
by skiumah06 on Aug 8, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
What one from the Trib?
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by Gonzo on Aug 8, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, just saw it
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/52717892.html
And I’ll be 100% honest here. . .I haven’t pulled up the Trib all day before now.
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by Gonzo on Aug 8, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, maybe you're just that great of a reporter then..
by skiumah06 on Aug 8, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some similarities, I guess
But the Trib assumes that Wade is an automatic for a roster spot. I disagree. I think the battle for the fifth spot is between Wade, Reynaud, and (to a lesser extent) Holt.
As for some of the other stuff. . .most of it is common knowledge, and it would stand to reason that it would be included in an article about the Vikings’ wide receivers.
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by Gonzo on Aug 8, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel as though
Wade is underappreciated. He continues to lead the team in receptions, but just because his size and speed are not impressive people will toss him aside. The guy makes big third down receptions when a quarterback of ours is able to make a play.
Also, the big thing Wade brings is veteran leadership to a receiving corps that is young and exciting. We definitely need that. Wade has more of a leadership personality in the locker room than does Bernard Berrian. Wade is a guy who I’m sure some of the older vets in the locker room would not be happy to see go.
Oh, and I’m ecstatic about Jaymar Johnson!
by skiumah06 on Aug 8, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to keep Wade
He was the one who stepped up and got us some receptions when Rice wasn’t playing well. We still don’t know if Rice or Harvin will actually make an impact come game time so Wade is a safety net. I think Johnson will be the 5th receiver.
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by BeardedAxe on Aug 8, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reynaud to practice squad
I’d bet Reynaud winds up on the practice squad. It looks to me like his NFL stats as a receiver amounts to one catch in the first preseason game last year. Then after being activated late last year to return kicks, he wound up inactive for the last few games because of an injury. I just don’t see anything in his history to make me think teams would elevate their assessment of him since last year when he went undrafted.
by Skywatcher on Aug 8, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta keep Wade
He is just a solid possession guy. Berrian and Rice are obvious locks, and Harvin too. Johnson also will probably make it, as I have seen a few quotes from Childress absolutely praising the guy in the Tribune. And then I think the 5th has to be Wade. Rice has had injury problems, and if he goes down, Wade has shown that he can fill in for him and be a solid guy. Also Harvin has been known to be injury prone, and who knows what kind of an impact he’ll make at WR this year.
by packallday555 on Aug 8, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wade over Reynaud, hands down
Reynaud may have more upside, and maybe more versatility, but Wade brings something that nobody else in the WR corps (not ‘corp,’ and not ‘core,’ mind you!) does. Not only is he a solid veteran presence in the locker room, as several people have noted, but he can also block. Now, this isn’t the top of a wide-receiver’s priority list—see Ferguson, Robert—but it’s important to a run-first team like ours. Bobby Wade can flat out destroy linebackers on crack backs. I’ve seen him do it. We’ve all seen him do it. Somehow, I don’t see Harvin or Johnson laying out all that many folks on running plays. Until one or more of our otherwise slight receivers learns how to lower his shoulder and pulverize some defensive backs, Wade will have a spot on this team.
by virginia viking on Aug 8, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i think that you make a great point. we are a “run first” team, so the importance of a wr blocking can’t be overlooked. wade has the experience to do all the necessary nuances the wr position requires. i say we keep six wr & use reynard on special teams.
by indianavikesfan on Aug 8, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely Wade
I think his dependability is not something you lightly let go of. All the other estimates fit in terms of who’ll stay, and you just can’t let JJ go easily after getting such a shining rec from Cris Carter…. I don’t know who’s been knocking on Wade though. When no one else is available, Wade’s the go-to guy and has been since he came to Minny. I like Reynaud a lot but with all the other talent in the WR corps, if he can’t stay on active then hopefully he can be snuck onto the practice squad. Fingers crossed.
Speaking of talent… this is going to be a very interesting year for our WRs. The young’un has grown up, he’s not injured for the first time in 10 months, and Rice is right on schedule to ‘break out’ this year. Berrian is another one who played most of last year injured, going to be great to see what he can do when he’s not distracted by pain. And Harvin, well…. really, we don’t know what that firecracker’s going to become, but damn it’s going to be exciting to find out :)
I still don’t think the Vikings are playing a “run-first” offense; we’ve just defaulted to that because the passing game wasn’t up to snuff. With the WRs stepping up, we’re that much closer to seeing a more balanced attack again.
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by DCPurple on Aug 8, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only do I think Harvin will live up to expectations...
…. but he appears to be having a REALLY good effect on AD, who is having fun joking around with Percy, and is excited about the possibility of the field opening up for him—- and maybe even keeping AD from thinking about the QB fiasco for a while…
Obviously it will take time for Percy to really get good at the “little things” that are necessary to move the ball methodically down the field— like blocking :-) …. so in the meantime we will just have to watch him contribute to the all-purpose stat sheet by doing some of “big things” that move the ball down the field rather non-methodically…. like in 9.5 seconds.
by Sonic on Aug 8, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Question...who suffers if we keep six?
Or is that rediculous to keep six WRs? I cant believe how deep we seem to be with Reynaud & J.Johnson.
Wade, Rice, Berrian, Harvin, Reynaud & Johnson. But at what other spot would we either have to “go lean” or suffer at? Somebody has the knowledge here…help me out.
BTW, I (unfortunately) turned the TV on today and saw the NFL Network’s “1998 Vikings – The Missing Rings”. That hurt. But what great receivers. Seeing Jake, Chris & Randy tear it up was fun.
by Viking64 on Aug 8, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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I was just wondering the same thing, lol. So I dug it up, as of tonight on vikings.com, did a little massaging to clean it up, and will post it on the Fan side :)
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by DCPurple on Aug 8, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no-way that Bobby Wade doesn't make the team.
He leads the team in receptions, and most of those receptions moved the chains. Wade works the slots, and he stays healthy all year… He’s way to valuable for the practice squad.
Berrian
Rice
Harvin
Wade
Johnson.
by chaosg on Aug 8, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The question, really
is if Reynaud makes the team as a sixth receiver, gets claimed on waivers (likely), or makes it to the practice squad. I think Chilly’s been burnt (Tyler Thigpen), and burned (Garrett Mills) enough in the waivers process that he wouldn’t risk it with a prospect like Reynaud. My money would be on six Viking WRs. Hopefully, Tahi (maybe Dugan?) gets cut to make room.
by virginia viking on Aug 8, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hope we keep six receivers, because I would hate to lose one of them (Wade and Reynaud, that is). I’m really getting caught up in the Jaymar hype. It’s gotten to the point that I’m more excited to see what he can do over what Harvin can do. Unreasonable? Maybe. But I think the fact that Jaymar is kind of an underdog is what does it for me.
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by FarvaForTheVikings on Aug 8, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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by vikingfuture8816 on Aug 9, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like very much
for Tahi to get waived and picked up by someone else. if nothing else it would make it possible to get both Chester and AD on the field at the same time. And i am also excited by the talant of JJ and D. Raynaud.
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by the Real Thor on Aug 8, 2009 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What if?
I could see Childress keeping 6 WR’s this year. With numerous players on the team playing multiple positions (Ryan Cook, Artic Hicks, Jeff Dugan, etc.) there should be a spot to at least hold on to 6 WR’s for at least the first 2-4 games, if not the whole season.
I think Reynaud, Wade and Johnson all deserve to be on the team and can serve important roles, especially if an injury bug hits one of the top 3 WR’s. Additionally, holding over 6 WR’s sends a message to the team and the rest of the league that the Vikings intend to pass this year. Set the tone, keep 6!
by Cobra312004 on Aug 9, 2009 3:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tahi should be odd man out!!!!I
It would seem as though kleinsasser(blocker extrordinaire)should do more time at FB as Shiancoe&Dugan can handle TE. With the speed we now seem to have at WR the door is open to run fullhouse backfields once in a while and in the bigger picture,can it hurt to have a truly great blocker in the backfield to allow a few extra seconds for the QB?
by kdog69 on Aug 9, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes keep six at WR
As I suggested I would leave Tahi out but here is more food for thought. Can we get by
with just Shiancoe and Kleinsasser to allow us to keep both Albert Young and
Ian Johnson?
by kdog69 on Aug 9, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing!
And I think we need 3-TE’s.
I think Chilly brought those other RB’s in, so A.Young would have some competition too. I don’t think Childress wants “Anybody” to feel comfortable with keeping their job…lol.
by chaosg on Aug 9, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacrifice an O-Line spot and Tahi...
Dugan and Sasser can be FB’s, but Peterson does more out of a single back set anyway… I say we go for the same O-Line personnel we had last year minus Birk (obviously)… Hicks can play the left side and Cook can play the right + center… The thing about 4 RB’s is that the #3 guy barely saw the field last year, let alone the #4 guy… I like Dugan being the FB, and carrying Mills as an extra TE as well… At this point, we’re really looking to protect Sasser’s heir apparent as far as an extra TE… Remember last year when we were all looking for Chilli’s head for trading away Hank “I just married the most annoying woman in the world” Baskett??
by ctowner35 on Aug 10, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would think
wade would have a more solid lock on a spot than rice. wade has only led the team in receptions two years in a row. i’m a big wade fan. he’s a worker and has earned everything he’s gotten in the nfl. what has rice done? very little. i’m not saying dump rice by any means. i’m optimistic that this will be his breakout year. but you can’t not keep bobby wade. this guy is the glue that holds our receiving corps together.
keep six if possible, squad reynaud if not.
by iseepurplepeople on Aug 10, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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