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The Wildcat and QB blocking?

So, it seems to me that the beauty of the Wildcat (splitting the traditional QB out wide) is that you can break from a standard huddle, with the guys who would make up a typical formation, and suddenly confront a defense with a tactically different alignment they have to quickly adapt to.  The element of surprise would certainly be lost if, for example, we trucked out TJ on the handful of plays we ran from scrimmage in the Wildcat.  Given the importance of being able to use your starting quarterback in the formation so as not to announce it, what are our chances realistically of running this formation and not putting Favre at risk?  As I'm reading this morning's reviews, it seems that a lot of the same people who were thrilled to see us insert this formation are now questioning the decision to split Favre out wide. But, isn't that the whole point?

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Yes A.C.....

          that is the point, but I would rather see him just stand there instead of throwing blocks. We don’t need our 40 year old Q.B. throwing blocks.

by PurpleCrush on Sep 1, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps I’m confused, but all of the Wildcat schemes I’ve seen drawn up require the QB to act as a blocker, since, if there is no blocking presence wide left, it essentially eliminates the threat of Harvin running a sweep (as he did). Isn’t it the act of cutting out precisely the position Favre went after (indeed, fairly next time) that gives Harvin a chance to round that corner and get into the open?

by Anthony Carter on Sep 1, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

To provide a video...

A great tutorial from ESPN. They don’t showcase the option we ran, but I just don’t see the route Harvin ran having any kind of effectiveness if the left WR doesn’t create some sort of obstacle.

by Anthony Carter on Sep 1, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're right......

         it does take away the effectiveness of the play. I guess what i’m trying to say is that chilly & co. need to run different wildcat plays that keeps B.F. upright and healthy all season.

by PurpleCrush on Sep 1, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

that’s b.s. he’s a football player! if he’s too fragile to play football get him off the field.

the guy hasn’t missed a game in his career and now everyone’s afraid to have him block?

he’s either iron man or injury prone, which is it?

by iseepurplepeople on Sep 1, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, whatever happened to putting Tjack out there for the wildcat?

by Bjorno on Sep 1, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

they would have… but he was too busy pouting on the sideline.

I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 1, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hardy har.

Pouting? Just because he was sitting on the bench with his hand on his chin does not mean he was pouting.

Though, it is looking more and more like TJack is not going to be a Viking for very long. Besides the shot of him looking like he was pouting, he was also not in on the shot of Favre, Booty and Sage looking at the overhead photos.

by Bjorno on Sep 1, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

bingo!

he was ‘checked out’.

I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 1, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I have to say this though I kind of liked seeing the old man throw the block, that kind of thing shows everyone he’s here to win.

by Grime on Sep 1, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

that’s what i liked about it. he needs to work on his technique if he’s gonna do it but we’ve all seen favre throw a block before. this is why we brought him here, because he’s that kind of player.

by iseepurplepeople on Sep 1, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Though I don't have a huge problem,

with him throwing blocks (better, safer blocks), I’m not sure why we don’t just occasionally line up Harvin next to him and direct snap. It takes Favre out of the play in terms of helping, but it adds one more element of uncertainty as the defense has no idea who the snap will go to.

Other teams do this.

by Migrant lurker on Sep 1, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I think they usually run to the other side from where the QB is lined up to minimize the issue. But maybe Childress wanted to get it on tape that we don’t always do that, to keep opponents off balance.

by puddnhead on Sep 1, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions  

i’m still not convinced that we’re actually going to see the wildcat in the regular season. i think chili’s flashing it in preseason to make other teams have to game plan for it.

by iseepurplepeople on Sep 1, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, chilly does like doing things like that.

He also likes to take a knee and run out the clock to win a meaningless preseason game rather than let his team practice the two minute drill. I don’t care if he doesn’t want to risk injuring someone, even if someone does go down the are third-stringers.

The two minute drill is something his team needs to practice. I have not seen a SINGLE effective two-minute drive in the three and a half years childress has been running this team. Sure, favre brings us a ready-made two minute offense just by joining the team, but he won’t be here for more than a year.

Our lack of effectiveness in that type of situation will cost us a super bowl.

by Bjorno on Sep 1, 2009 4:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

maybe

have a more sutiable person line up by himself on the left and brett can line up on the right and kind of step away from any contact

sugar + water + purple

by Grape Drank on Sep 1, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Again, though, the point of the Wildcat is to open up the field, creating multiple points of threat. Namely, the left and right sides of the field “both” have to be realistically in play. The point isn’t “which” side of the field he lines up on, it’s that wherever the quarterback is, that too has to be a possible point of attack. Because it’s only when Harvin can hand-off to the motion back, take it himself up the middle, swing wide left, or pass downfield that the Wildcat puts too much pressure on the defense to be able to cover all possibilities at once. My feeling is this: Favre either doesn’t play on Wildcat formations, in which case we lose the element of surprise every time TJ comes out; or he plays, and we can pop out of the huddle in a surprise formation, and he has to be figured as a blocker.

by Anthony Carter on Sep 1, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

teams will quickly see that we always go away from favre effectively saying ‘ok favre is lined up left so we only have to worry about half the field.’

by iseepurplepeople on Sep 1, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is until.......

              Percy unloads a bomb to a wide open favre for six!

by PurpleCrush on Sep 1, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I liked Favre out there throwing blocks shows he still has some fire left in him. On a side note I was listening to Kfan and Mike Morris believed that was a clean hit.

by Skoaldybi on Sep 1, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t know if a long-snapper’s opinion of a block that was penalized and likely fined changes my opinion about the play one iota.

by Bjorno on Sep 1, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's all about the knees

And being five yards from the line of scrimage. If your within that zone you can’t hit someone below the knees. It’s basically to save line men from career ending injuries from cut blocks. Especially when another man is posting him up.

by Grime on Sep 1, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brett can't stand idley by!!!!!

This is not in his mindset!!!! Idle accomplishes nothing!!!
This is how he learned to play the game(FULL OUT!!!!) Even if he was told not to block and he saw one man between his player and a TD, he is gonna try to take that guy out of the play.
Here are some mental pictures for you to make the point.
Dan Marino throws a big TD pass——maybe a fist pump & a YEA!!!
Joe Montana raises his hands signaling TD.
Brett runs to the endzone headbutts, jumps up and does the chest bang(whatever it’s called) and maybe runs(not walk)runs to the sidelines with that guy on his shoulders as seen with Driver.
Thats how he is and it won’t change he can’t help it!!!!!!

by kdog69 on Sep 1, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

wild cat

I really do not understand putting the QB wide out. Why not a TE I mean is the QB going to make a throw from out there? IF all we need is a blocker put a TE out there we still have a person to pass to. Now were loaded with blockers.

by montana vikes fan on Sep 1, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Because you need to have one of your “bona fide” quarterbacks on the field at all times. Putting him in the backfield without taking the snap puts him in a place where you REALLY want a blocker rather than a useless player.

Splitting them out wide only makes them part of the play if they go to that side.

by Bjorno on Sep 2, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or they go in motion...

Get a handoff, and bomb it deep a la Penington did last year. It was beautiful. I think Favre may get winded running from the wideout spot to the backfield though. Can we get him a Hoverround to use on the field?

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by Manimal on Sep 2, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

HA

A hoverround.. That’s priceless.

by Grime on Sep 2, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

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