Williams Bros. (brothers from another mother) Good for 2009 Season!
by Jepp The Viking on Sep 11, 2009 10:35 AM CDT
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PrintAccording to www.accessvikings.com, the district judge has ruled that the case will be tied up untill after the 2009 season. This means we have our boys for the entire NFL season this year! A big sigh of reliefe for us, a big groan of frustration for the rest of the NFL. SKOL VIKES!! This just means that our defense will be even scarier than thought this year. Any chance we drop another DT and pickup some help in another area now that we know we are good on that position?
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Great news.
This will be tied up forever. Hopefully this means there won’t be any hearings or anything to distract the two. I know Pat was getting kinda fed up with all the court stuff. Let them play!
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Pat's going to retire before he gets suspended
‘And the wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws’.
Wouldn't be surprised if the NFL drops the suit...
This rabbit hole is waaay too deep… When you have one sibling who is a professional athlete and another sibling who is an attorney, you get some interesting coversations around the dinner table at family gatherings. With all the professional sports as well as the USADA (US Anti-Doping Agency) weighing in supporting the Vikings, they have to know that a ruling in favor of the Williams’ Wall sets a rather scary legal precident. Everyone agrees that our boys took a legal substance that wasn’t even performance enhancing, but was a masking agent… If this ruling does in fact happen, and it comes in favor of the Williams’ side, it weakens tremendously the effacacy of the doping rules in professional sports. The cat is already out of the bag to a certain extent, but we’re talking about a review of every state’s stance on employees rights and possibly some serious legislation.
In my sibling’s sport, there are several street legal substances that she has to stay away from ranging from asthma/allergy/cold medicine to excessive caffine, not to mention tons of perscription meds…
As I undeerstand it, Minnesota Employment Laws allow protection for Employees to not be able to be diciplined for doing things they have every legal right to do. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens, but I don’t see the NFL being too eager to pursue this unless they are 110% sure that they will win… I’m a bit worried about this whole thing; I’m glad that the Williamses will be able to play, but setting precident in this manner could be detrimental to the spirit of sport.
Your point about how this can have bad consequences is well taken and understandable. There’s a slippery slope with a rabbit hole at the far end for actual drug abusers to get away with doping, and I don’t think any of us want that to happen.
On the other hand, this specific case with the Williamses and Star Caps is what it is, and the boys were just trying to meet a weigh-in. Ask folks in the military what that one’s like, it’s no fun at all if you’re even close to the edge. And of course, being Vikings fans, we’re biased in favour of our boys :) , maybe even a bit protective.
On the other, other hand (Austin Powers moment as the third hand reaches around from behind), the hyper-political times being what they are, there’s a lot of Constitutional questions and concerns going around right now. Federal rulings that are being denied by States who are remembering that they’re sovereign over the Federal government, not the other way around. Unions are running amok with government assistance and the public gets whipsawed back and forth trying to keep up and figure out what’s going on. And then, figure out what’s really going on. It’s a mess.
And finally, you have all these other sports and ‘authorities’ jumping in on this case because they know that it will be used a precedent in their own future legal wranglings.
The whole damn thing is a huge mess that the NFL blew out of proportion when they decided to make an example out of the Williamses, and now it’s careening out of control. But the good thing about it is that if all parties are smart about this (unions and companies), they’ll re-examine the laws, haul in arbiters and try to go back to the bargaining table to work this out and do it right, and fairly, for everyone. Sure, it may be more expensive, but so what. The NFL can afford it. More, the NFL can’t afford NOT to do it.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Your point that the NFL decided to make this a big mess is spot on. They realized that once word got out that they really don’t care about players’ health (heck, we know there’s something illegal spiking StarCaps, but telling our players or the public about it ain’t our job) and that they had signed a bargaining agreement with the union that is not even legal in all the states in which they play, despite the number of lawyers they retain, it became evident to them they were going to look bad. So, having mistakenly opened the door to the blast furnace instead of the one to the boys room, they said, “not out mistake, we’re right” and walked directly into the flames. You can’t save face by making your butt become burnt toast.
damn...
I was hoping the bold ‘really’ was a link. I want to know what is really going on!
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 11, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL!
AZVike, the bold was there because I don’t think that what we see them talking about is the whole story. Like the NFL Corp or not, one thing is true; those are not stupid people, even if their choices end up looking stupid. They were thinking something that might not have been so, but they had a basis for it. An expectation. Their actions aren’t random, they fully intend to be able to stand on every statement they make, firmly enough to be able to spit in the eye of the hurricane. They actually thought they were going to be able to burn players on the basis of an agreement of personal responsibility, while deliberately using the loophole of not being required to tell the players what was in the products.
I think there’s more going on than what we see, more involved that we’re not aware of. At any time in the past few months, the NFL could have spoken with the NFLPA and the Williamses and reached a quiet agreement that let the Bros off the hook but required them make face-saving statements about Goodell and the NFL. But they didn’t. They could have re-worked the agreement with the NFLPA but they didn’t.
Maybe the NFL Corp really is so arrogant and pompous and out of touch that they really believe they hold all the cards and it’s their way or the highway… but I think there’s got to be more going on than we know of.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
it’s the WHOLE CBA enchilada…
they fined JJones for his little ‘slip’ while visiting MN… they’re pushing on the Williams case…
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 13, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Goodell may be a great CEO for NFL.Corp, but he doesn’t seem to understand that the company and the teams and the players are all on the same team and on the same side. Instead, his actions are polarizing (maybe it’s just the times) and goes a long way towards creating a hostile relationship between the company and the players. Why he’d do this, I don’t understand… unless he’s really incompetent as a manager.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
DT
Its great to see that both will have the 2009 going in the Vikes favor. The Williams didn’t do anything that required there being suspended. Go Vikes win
The NFL had a choice
when this whole thing got started to either admit that both sides did wrong and no ill will was meant and simply issues a policy update (notifying players when the NFL finds out a legal product may be tainted) and if any future player violate that rule then they are suspended, but they chose to take the position that they have no responsibility at all, while players have it all.
The example I always think of is: I am a professional athlete, I go to the grocery store and buy a gallon of milk (and drink said milk). For whatever reason, the milk contained a chemical banned by the NFL, I get tested and suspended. Is that fair? Is that legal under anyone’s reasonable interpretation of the law?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 14, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions
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