NFC North
by Grape Drank on Sep 14, 2009 9:42 PM CDT
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The NFC North could easily be the most contested division in the league this year. After watching the Vikings I'm close to giving them the nod to win it but not quite yet.
I will start with the Vikings
Two things stood out to me on Sunday. First was just a cause of how late Brett Favre came into town, he just wasn't on the same page with the receivers. There were a couple of times when as Brian Billick put it the receiver zigged and Favre zagged. Luckily we have some time before we face a better than average secondary. My biggest concern with the men in purple was the number of sacks (4) by the Browns of all teams. This cannot continue if the vikes wish to head to the post-season. I am optomistic that things will be smoothed over during practice (It was John Sullivan and Phil Loadholt's first game after all)
After watching the game with the Bears I severly underestimated the defence that they have this year. Don't be fooled by what you hear on the TV it was the defence - not Aaron Rodgers or anyone else - that led them to the win. That being said we now have film on their new schemes and I feel safe in saying that we have more weapons then the bears but like any divison game we can't over look this team.
Bears
...Wow probably one of the biggest let downs for a season opener (sure glad I don't count myself a fan HA!) The savior Jay Cutler was very generous to the Packers secondary. It makes me get that warm fuzzy feeling when I can observe true sportsmenship like that ha ha. But in all seriousness this team must come back big and I mean big in week two if they hope to win this division.
Yeah they got stomped but...I really don't want a repeat of last years preformance against them.
Overall this is how I would rank the division
Tied 1. Vikings/Packers (just too hard to pick a clear favorite right now)
2. Bears
3. Lions
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Who was DUMBA$$ that voted to Detroit…
by WVVikings on Sep 14, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice write-up
If we can stay healthy on defense, they could really be something special this year. Keep in mind that was our first game in the 3-4, and we will probably progress in it as the year goes on. That being said, we really need to figure out our RT issue. Had our RT given Rodgers some time, I think things would have been much different for us on offense. He needs to be able to establish a pocket and rhythm for that matter. I can’t wait to see our two teams play each other this year.
On a side note, I really couldn’t believe how Cutler acted last night. In the offseason I sided with him on the whole trade matter, but after seeing how he acted last night I have totally gone back on that. He wants to blame everybody but himself for the bad things that happen. Every time he made a mistake it seemed like shortly after they would show him, red-faced, screaming at one of his WRs. I saw something that one of the Bears wrote last night after the game, talking about how 3 of Cutler’s INTs weren’t his fault. No disrespect intended, but too me that’s bullshit. The first INT he threw our CB was right in front of him. The next he had thought his WR was going to continue running to his leftt, but broke right as soon as Cutler threw it, but it really didn’t matter as our saftey had coverage underneath and would have picked it even if his WR hadn’t broken his route. The QB is supposed to be your leader. He is supposed to give confidence to the rest of the team, and going about screaming and whining everytime something goes wrong, is not the way to lead a team. He has a lot of maturing to do.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maturing to do?
Like your overrated and arrogant QB.
Favre is 1000 times the leader that Rodgers is, and ever will be!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 15, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you read this R4F
It makes no sense to call Aaron Rodgers names. If you want to place blame for the Green Bay losing Favre fiasco blame Ted Thompson. But Rodgers behavior couldn’t be considered anything less than professional throughout the entire ordeal. Not to mention he is one hell of a quarterback. Even Paul Allen, the biggest homer in the state, calls Rodgers the best quarterback in the NFC North right now.
Rodgers has a lot to prove before he can be can be talked about in the same league as Brett Favre by any other metric, but right now, at the start of his career, he’s the best in the NFC North in terms of talent. Favre is probably the smartest of the bunch, with all his experience.
It’s that experience, and his ability to use the talent around him that has us Vikings fans excited.
Fire Childress!
by dwarg on Sep 15, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again Rodgers is an arrogant and overrated QB!
I live in Green Bay………………………
I have heard his interviews and seen his play.
Right now he is 7-10 as a starter! He has been sacked for more safties than any 1-2 year starter has ever been. Once defences figure out the slant and the misdirection bombs, he will be figured out for what he really is, a FRAUD!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 15, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre is the REAL DEAL!
The Vikings were smart enough to understand that. Ted Thompson sure was not smart enough.
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 15, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
calm down asshole
please take your dick out of the vaccum cleaner retard
by Vikant on Sep 17, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
You say some of the most unintelligent things I’ve ever heard. Your love for Favre is absolutely ridiculous. Everything you say is simply an opinion, or a want. I really don’t think I’ve ever seen you use a fact to support any of your wants. The fact that many of the REAL Vikings fans agree that Rodgers is the best QB in the NFC North says a lot. Oh and I say real because your just a Brett Favre fan. You were never a Packers fan, Jets fan, or Vikings fan. You are simply a Favre fan, that’s it.
That’s the Fact Jack! Haha since that statement makes everything a person says 100% true (in your delusional mind) I decided I would try it out too.
by packallday555 on Sep 15, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 wins last year. Packers fans tend to overlook that point, and blame it on a million other reasons. Until Rodgers can prove that he can lead a winning team, he’s not the best qb in the north. d
by dsludo on Sep 15, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But come on
You have to recognize that the defense was more to blame for our down season then Rodgers. What more can you ask a 1st year QB to do then lead our offense to be 7th overall in the league and acheiving some pretty impressive stats. I agree he needs to prove he can lead the game-winning drives that Favre was always so good at, and he started the season by doing that in a huge division game for us.
So, just curious, you feel Favre is the best QB in the North I take it? Do you think physically, and talent wise he is better then Rodgers? Or is it his experience and knowledge that propels him over Rodgers?
by packallday555 on Sep 15, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it last year and I also saw it this year, Rodgers is over & under throwing a lot of balls in crucial situations. The long bomb that won the game when there were no defenders was a very nice pass, I’ll give you that. But there are a lot of qb’s that can toss it to a wide open receiver…..In all honesty it shouldn’t have come to that long ball to win it. Cutler had 4 INT’s. And it was a nail biter until the end?
Rodgers will have no excuses this year. All the pressure is on him to perform. It will be interesting to see how the season plays out. stats don’t matter to me, and shouldn’t matter to him either. in the nfl winning is all that matters. Just like the announcers were saying Rodgers did last year (losing season) what favre has done only once his entire career. And don’t tell me that green bay had an all pro defense all 16 years that he was there.
Favre’s old so he’s at a considerable disadvantage to the younger qb’s. But he has so many other intangibles that allows him to lead a team to wins. Remember the Jets only won 4 games the year before Favre got there, and won 9 with favre. And lets not kid ourselves, if he didn’t get hurt they would have won many more.
So to answer your question, at this point in time, yes I think overall the old man is better….until proven otherwise.
by dsludo on Sep 16, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
packallday555.........................
Quit responding to my comments.
If you decide to, then you will get what is rightfully yours. Which is a lesson in reality.
Rodgers is 7-10 as a starter.
Viking Fans have not agreed that Rodgers is the best in the North.
Before you open your mouth again, think first please.
Don’t tell me what kind of fan I am. I am a Viking Fan and I am a Favre Fan!
Get off my ass. You think by agreeing with Viking Fans that they think you are cool.
They think you are a Fudge Packer, like the rest of you cheeseheads!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 16, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
REVENGE4FAVRE....
I feel sorry for you. I’m going to respond to posts I don’t agree with or I think are absolutely ridiculous, and unfotunately for you all of your posts fall under that category. Yes, Rodgers is 7-10 as a starter. And yes, many Vikes fans have said they feel Rodgers is the best QB in the division. In fact, just the other day a member of this blog said he thought Rodgers was, and went even farther and said many would hope he was in fact the Vikes QB. Haha and I’ll tell you what kind of fan you are because it’s obvious. Many other people have said it, and quite frankly it’s true. You are a FAVRE FAN. You simply then are associated with the team he plays on.
“Get off my ass. You think by agreeing with Viking Fans that they think you are cool.”
This actually applies much more too you. The only reason people like you on this site is because all of your posts have statements like, “2009 VIKINGS WILL BE THE BEST TEAM EVER”, or, “THE VIKINGS WILL WIN BE 19-0 AND SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS”. When I post comments, I actually use logic and intellect to back my thoughts up. Another big thing is I am realistic. Again you don’t know anything about that so I don’t expect you to be able to relate.
Oh and by the way you responded to my comment. If you don’t wish to have a conversation with me then why respond to me? I know you like to leave your open ended comments on people’s opinions and many are too afraid to confront you about your bullshit, but I certainly am not.
Oooooohhhhh Fudge Packer, I’ve never heard that one…..You better be careful or I might call you a “Viqueen”…get a life.
by packallday555 on Sep 16, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ASSHOLE, PLEASE DIE ALREADY!
YOU RESPONDED TO MY COMMENT, GO BACK ON THE THREADS.
I HAVE NEVER RESPONDED TO ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS.
CAUSE I DON’T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU SAY.
YOU PLAY THE FENCE IN ALL YOUR COMMENTS, THE KIND OF INDIVIDUAL I DESPISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I TELL IT LIKE I SEE IT!
SO FUCK OFF ALREADY!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 17, 2009 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Someone has an anger issue…..just a blog buddy, settle down a bit.
by packallday555 on Sep 17, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop shoutng
just because you write in caps doesnt make you intelligent or sound tough it jus makes look like a brain dead loser. i not going to criticize your team beacuse i know their good and favre is a good qb or he used to be. but aaron rodgers is better right now. so please save your trash talk if the vikings beat the packers and stop insulting packer fans like packallday555
by Vikant on Sep 17, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You type in all lower case without proper capitalization or grammar AND you can’t complete all of your words and sentences. That makes you the comment police? Remember you are on a Vikings blog and ‘insulting’ Packers fans kind of comes with the territory here.
Besides… you (Vikant) have criticized our team on other posts – so don’t play ‘good cop’ here and try to protect 555.
He’s a big boy. He and R4F have been going at it all over this blog. I think he can take care of this on his own.
Head on back the APC. I’m sure they enjoy your posts over there.
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 17, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work, AVF.
Thanks.
555 is a wolf in sheeps clothing. 555 can’t handle that his legendary QB is about to destroy his pathetic Packers twice this year.
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 17, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“555 can’t handle that his legendary QB is about to destroy his pathetic Packers twice this year.”
The only thing I can’t handle is your unintelligence. Your IQ has to be somewhere in the 60s.
by packallday555 on Sep 17, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
packallday
I’m starting to wonder if you’re some kind of poser or something. You come on this site level headed, open minded, and non-controversial.
I remember reading something you said a while back on the packers site about how much you think the Vikings will lose and that you actually HATE favre. I guess bringing you a super bowl and 16 great years wasn’t enough for you huh? I’m not totally convinced that you’re legit. And by legit, I mean that you truly believe half the stuff that you say. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for now though.
by dsludo on Sep 18, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poser? No. I just like to be level-headed, and not an idiot who just screams his opinions or wants.
“I remember reading something you said a while back on the packers site about how much you think the Vikings will lose and that you actually HATE favre.”
Hmm, I would like to see what I said, because in pretty much every prediction I did for the North, I had the Vikes winning 10-12 games. (And for the record I still feel that way) I’m not sure if HATE is the right word but I certainly dislike him. I’m not going to get into the whole offseason fiasco again, but I thought Favre handled the situation poorly. Sure, I appreciated what he did for the franchise, hell he practically built the franchise, but you can’t dwell on the past.
I hope the only reason you feel I’m not “legit” as you would say is because you are a R4F backer, and I sure as hell am not.
by packallday555 on Sep 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough...
Maybe I caught your comments out of context. And in regards to R4F, you won’t find me backing him on anything. I’ve been annoyed by the guy the second he joined. However, I will give him credit that he’s toned it down big time, and he’s just starting to border line be tolerable.
by dsludo on Sep 19, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Packallday555............
Quit referring to me constantly………………….
Do I talk about you, or do I go to the Packer site and talk about you???
Answer: NO
You are a fence player, No one respects someone who constantly plays the fence.
Favre has no blame in the Packer Organization trading him. Favre was the better QB. It will be proved once and for all this year, that Favre is 1000 times the QB that Rodgers ever will be.
Again, stay off my jock.
If you continue, it will not be pretty for you.
You will be eating crow by seasons end!
Guaranteed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 19, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Quit referring to me constantly………………….
Do I talk about you, or do I go to the Packer site and talk about you???"
If another poster refers to you, and I feel I need to respond back to him in reference to you then I will.
As you to your second comment, the circumstances are different. I have been posting on this blog for longer then you have. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you post on the ACP, so your example holds no merit.
“Favre has no blame in the Packer Organization trading him. Favre was the better QB. It will be proved once and for all this year, that Favre is 1000 times the QB that Rodgers ever will be.”
I won’t argue that he wasn’t the better QB because he was. But when your a GM of a team you have to think about the FUTURE of a team. Our organization welcomed Favre back multiple times but he insisted he was going to retire. TT saw a lot of promise in Rodgers, and seeing as he was drafted to be the QB of the franchise after Favre was gone, why not go with him. (After all Favre was insisting that he was retired.) Rodgers had a better year then Favre last season plain and simple. You won’t agree because your man crush on Favre doesn’t allow you too but every other REALISTIC person on this blog will. As for who will have the better year this year, who knows!
by packallday555 on Sep 19, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm realistic...but maybe not
Favre had the better year because his team won 9 games, and your team won 6. That’s the only stat that matters in the nfl. I would also argue that if you take the entire team minus the qb position the packers are better than the Jets of 2008, so that just reinforced how much Favre meant to the success of that team. The injury killed his season and by doing that it also killed any chances of the Jets making the playoffs. They were still fighting for 1st in the devision week 13 or 14. Packers were out of it around mid season.
by dsludo on Sep 19, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Alright but whether you like it or not you have to take stats into consideration. You also need to take into account physical and mental ability. Rodgers put up top 6 stats in pretty much every QB category. He had a 2:1 TD:INT ratio, which shows he has the mental ability.
You can’t base it all off of wins. Because the QB isn’t the only thing that plays a part in whether you win or not, as we found out the hard way. 6th ranked offense in the NFL, 24th ranked defense in the NFL.
So is Flacco a better QB then Rodgers? Is Trent Edwards? Kyle Orton? Jeff Garcia? Tavaris Jackson? All QB’s who were on teams that had more wins then Rodgers. Get my point?
by packallday555 on Sep 19, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if we're going to take stats into "consideration"
…then let’s take them into consideration during the stretch where favre was healthy, because I don’t think anyone denies that Favre was better than Rodgers while he was hurt. Let’s also take into account completion percentage. And most importantly their ability to lead their respective teams to a Win. If you do that, then the answer is clearly Favre.
by dsludo on Sep 20, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5555,
Favre in 2008: 9-7
Rodgers in 2008: 6-10
Enough said.
This year will prove all.
Ted Thompson is the worst GM in the NFL.
Traded away the Face of the Franchise with a poison pill, and couldn’t even do that well enough.
Favre will get his revenge. Guaranteed.
Packers will not make the playoffs, cause Rodgers can’t lead them there.
TOO BAD, TOO SAD!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 19, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh laugh
packallday is by far the most reasonable, level headed person here. It is quite obvious that Aaron Rogers is leagues better than Favre at this point in their two careers. Look at Rogers’ numbers last season. 93.8 Passer Rating, 63.6 completion percentage, 4000+ yards. If he was a Viking there is no way you would say he is “overrated.” It’s pretty hard to overrate someone that puts up stats like those.
Of course you could go with the route that people like you do when confronted with real, objective, evidence that they are wrong: deny that numbers actually mean anything. But by doing that you are just exposing yourself as a career Target employee; someone that will unlikely ever hold any sort of job of import, and will, ultimately, give no new insight to the world, add no new knowledge, and may in fact work to destroy what the scientific method has done for humanity for over three hundred years.
This fanatical hatred of Aaron Rogers that you are so very proud of is symptomatic of a disease of the mind.
by RipHimToShreds on Sep 18, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7-10 as a starter........................
Rodgers is not a leader.
No problem.
555 will be eating crow by seasons end.
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 18, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Rodgers is not a leader.”
Haha well what do you consider a leader? Was Favre being a good leader last year, playing hurt, and ultimately costing the Jets a playoff spot?
And to some of you who say it wasn’t all Favre’s fault I don’t want to hear it. He gets all the credit for leading them to an 9-3 record, so when he leads them to a 1-4 record he should get the credit for that as well.
by packallday555 on Sep 19, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre was Forced to play by Jets management and head coach........
Come on 555, keep up with current events.
Favre is the Greatest Leader & QB that has ever played the sport.
Rodgers is a chump.
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 19, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forced?
Is he not a grown man? No one is forced to do anything. If he was hurt and couldn’t perform at a high enough level to get the job done, he should have recognized that and sat out.
by packallday555 on Sep 19, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong Again.....
Why do you comment over here more than ACME site???????
Please give us a break from your blah, blah, blah, blah.
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 19, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not a grown man? He doesn’t get to decide what he wants to do ultimately?
The “current news” doesn’t say anywhere that Favre was “forced” to play. Mangini, and the organization admit they handled the situation wrong but didn’t come out and say we “forced” him to play.
Who is us? I don’t see anyone else having a problem with my comments? In fact from the feedback I’ve gotten from the fans on here, they respect what I bring to their blog. And just because I view the NFL realistically and not “your team sucks” doesn’t make me any less of a Packer fan then I already am. If anyone’s “fanhood” is at question it would be yours because the last time I checked their wasn’t a team called The Brett Favres.
by packallday555 on Sep 19, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Team is the Minnesota Vikings.
You are a FENCE PLAYER!
REVENGE is coming, be prepared to be humiliated on National TV come Oct. 5th.
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 19, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How and why am I am fence player? Please tell me, since you seem to know all…
“REVENGE is coming, be prepared to be humiliated on National TV come Oct. 5th.”
Haha ya, ya this is only the 1,897,456,873 time you’ve told me that. You need some new material cause your current stuff is getting old.
by packallday555 on Sep 19, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you don’t have a team. Your player is Brett Favre. Therefore, whatever team he is, you are a fan of. You have had 3 favorite teams the past 3 years. That’s what I like to call “playing the fence”.
by packallday555 on Sep 19, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fence Player!
REVENGE is COMING!!!!!!!!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 19, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey!
i shop at target sometimes!
by iseepurplepeople on Sep 18, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa whoa WHOA!
“…career Target employee; someone that will unlikely ever hold any sort of job of import, and will, ultimately, give no new insight to the world, add no new knowledge, and may in fact work to destroy what the scientific method has done for humanity for over three hundred years.”
You are disrespecting a VERY large number of people with that statement – who are more than ‘what they do for a living’. Apparently, you believe your superior grasp of data, mathmatics, and logic sets you above the ‘average guy’?
I know many ‘Target employees’ whos contributions to society go well beyond their paygrade… I’m sure you appreciate the mind of someone like Albert Einstein… who was, afterall, a simple clerk – the ‘Target employee’ of his generation.
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 18, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My brother, who is probably more intelligent than me, is a Target employee. I am saying that all dumbasses like him will be Target employees or have a similar career, but not all Target employees are dumbasses like him.
But yes, my superior grasp of data, math, and logic does set me apart from my peers in nearly any sort of meaningful way. So?
by RipHimToShreds on Sep 19, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when i do it im just joking
you can’t possibly take what i say seriously
great job
by Vikant on Sep 18, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the one where he threw it in to Jolly was probably not TOTALLY his fault, but as for the rest, they are totally on his shoulders.
The cool thing about the INT statistic is that it is one of the few that more often than not is a good indicator of what it is measuring — the QB’s effectiveness. And Cutler was, well, less than effective.
by RipHimToShreds on Sep 15, 2009 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I was completely thinking that too. Who voted for Detroit? You know what? I am not worried about the sacks at all. You know why? Mostly all of them came when there was no recievers open it looked like to me. And Favre knows when to take a sack. Tarvaris would try to make something happen with it., by flinging it just anywhere And that’s what lost games. I wouldn’t worry about this game too much. In a few weeks he will be ON it. So the four sacks don’t worry me.
by PurpleEaters on Sep 14, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes Brett will find a zone
and Sully and Loadholt will too. pass coverage remains my concern
by kdog69 on Sep 15, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One small concern from the game was Favre's immobility.
Did he ever leave the pocket at all? I don’t remember it. I know he’s slower than he used to be, but he showed decent speed tackling Harvin.
I’m hoping that he was just being super cautious for this game. He used to be very good at eluding the rush and moving out of the pocket when need be. He won’t be as agile as he used to be, but I would like to see him making some effort in future games.
by Migrant lurker on Sep 15, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre
He put up a very nice QB rating by virtue of not turning the ball over, and yes, I really appreciate that a lot… but you clamp down on T-Jack and you get the same result. We already had guys who are good at handing the ball off, and tossing passes to receivers who are short of the first down.
Favre was brought in to be the ‘missing piece’, a savvy vet who could read the D, make the right audibles, stretch the D with a vertical passing game and open up the box for AP. And so far, he’s only delivered half.
Hopefully that will improve as the season continues and he gets more comfortable with the timing of his targets. It probably will. I just hope he also keeps that INT rate down too.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Sep 15, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To DCPurple
You got it right on. AP carried the day but we have so many weapons. Once the old man starts gelling with our recievers it going to be a thing of beauty. Can you imagine if we start airing it out and the defenses have to play honest. Pick your poison. Man I can’t wait to see games with CT & PH catching screens and slants, BB & SR going deep. VS right down the middle. If that starts to happen AP will have the single season rushing title all to himself . Man I would not want to be on the defense in the 4th quarter
with AP and CT running the ball down their throat. One last thing Chester Taylor is no AP but he could the #1 back for half the teams in the NFL. You Packer fans are smoking some good stuff if you honestly think you will win this division. When we meet on the field of battle you will find out the hard way. Ryan Grant vs. AP please!!!!
Aaron Rodgers should be glad he’s still young. At least he can run for his life.
by iowaron on Sep 15, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Hitting Harvin downfield for 20+ yards for the first down — isn’t that exactly what you want from Farve? Did it not lead to a critical score?
The throw to Rice at the goal line - an “audible” of sorts -- isn’t that exactly what you want from Farve? Pass interference is as good as a completion there. You don’t get either unless the adubile is good and the throw executed well.
Two critical plays that I am doubtful would have occured if T-Jack was our QB instead of Farve.
TiggerSr
by TiggerSr on Sep 15, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
34 points on the road. First real test as a Brett Favre unit, he only had to make 2 throws that we brought him in for, and he made them. And he had exactly 0 turnovers.
Yes, the browns suck. We put our foot on their throat in the 3rd and that is what we have been missing. And a big part of that was 1 big pass on a really long 2nd down. NFL is a game of few plays that can make or break ya. I am very happy have Favre being the one attempting to make them. (Especially if the other option is Tjack)
by footballninja on Sep 15, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a fine start :)
But that’s all it was.. a start. Two decent completions, neither of which stretched the field, wasn’t particularly special. And yes, I think T-Jack could have made similar plays with ease. Not the same plays because those weren’t T-Jack’s style, but he could have hit his targets just as well, and without any interceptions. T-Jack wouldn’t have set up a pass interference situation (if Favre knew that’s what was coming) because T-Jack doesn’t have the situational awareness to recognize opportunities like that. Instead he would have just completed a pass to Rice or Shanko that does the same thing :)
What Favre didn’t bring was a vertical threat to force the D to back off and become deeply concerned about what could happen 50 yards down the field, and conversely, yanking two guys out of the box who are slowing AP down.
That’s half of what we’ve been waiting for, and so far, Favre hasn’t delivered it.
I think he will, once he gets comfortable and all his weapons are at full speed. BB wasn’t really ready and even if he had been, Favre hasn’t had much play-time with him to learn his timing. That was a big limiter too, but the bottom line is that the Favre has plenty of room for improvement with the Vikings.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Sep 16, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the tape
You may not get around to seeing this, as this thread is old. But…., on the play when Farve threw to Rice for 30+ yards to the goal line and Rice jumped high to catch it, only to “graze” the sideline paint before stepping into the end zone - remember that play? — the Browns had 8 men in the box. We are talking about 2 inches here between what actually happened and what you are complaining about not happening in your post. those 2 inches bring to mind two comments:
a. It’s hard to blame Farve (or Childress) for the fact that Rice came down two inches too far off the field.
If your point is that Farve needs to make that throw to get the defenses from keeping 8 men in the box, then it would follow that this throw should have done that. The Browns knew they got lucky by the ref’s call. The Vikes scored any way on the same drive. But the Browns kept 8 men in the box throughout the game anyway.I’d also point out, after watching the game with my clicker on on my DVR, that the Vikes lined up more than half the time with TWO tight ends — and often with THREE tight ends. When you do that, you are going to get 8 (or 9) defenders in the box no matter what. On Peterson’s 64-yard Superman run, the Vikes lined up with THREE tight ends, the Browns had 9 in the box, and Peterson had a HUGE hole to get into the secondary (thanks to McKinnie, Hutch and Sullivan). I don’t care if you have Moss, Bob Hayes, or Jerry Rice as your WR and Moon, Marino, or Lamonica as your QB — if you line up with 3 tight ends, you are going to see 8-9 defenders in the box.
The glasss is not just half-full here, guys. Enjoy the ride while it lasts.
TiggerSr
by TiggerSr on Sep 16, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The tape
I’m trying to watch it now. The d/l I got is flakey as hell, it plays for a couple minutes then locks up, very frustrating. I might have to look for another source to see it all smoothly.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Sep 17, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with TJax is that he simply might not make those throws. He has a gun for an arm, he’s quick but his biggest problem is that he is simply not accurate. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen him flat out miss a receiver on a 5 yard slant! Get that taken care of and he can be our starting QB. Until then, I would rather trade for Chad Pennington.
by zebano on Sep 17, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are # 1 The Packers are #2
The Bears losing Urlacher for the season is a tough break. I won’t be shedding any tears though. Its us and the Pack in that order. The Packs passing game should be solid but its in the trenches and ground game where most games are won. We have a ground game that is second to none. I also think we have the best defense in the division and a top 5 in the NFL. Thats a pretty good combination to have my friends.
If we keep the penalties and the turnovers low. Or as many Vikings fans would say. Stay out of our own way. We are going to be tough to beat. If Bald Childress doesn’t screw it up. Onside kick to start the season what a dumb thing to do. Yeah give them a short field to start the game. Our D still held them to a field goal despite Brad , err Bald’s being stupid.
by iowaron on Sep 15, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Onside kick = balls
I have to disagree with you there. My beefs with Chilly are twofold:
1. Can’t get a 2 minute offense trained and on the field…
2. Very predictable play calling. Lots of off-tackle runs and short dinks to TE/RB.
This is not only contrary to #2 above, but it also lets the players know that you’re in this to win and that you trust the D to get you out of a potential jam. If they saw a potential weakness on film, it’s the coaches job to exploit that. Kudos to Chilly on taking the chance.
by zebano on Sep 17, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vikes extended Pre season
Cleveland and Detroit are the dregs of the league so next week will be no contest either. All Cincy could manage was one score vs Den. So we will be in the Dark. Cutler goes from the frying pan to the fire this week. Let him have another multi-pick game vs Pitt next week and he will need to travel back to Denver hat in hand and on his knees because they will run him out of Chicago
by Sterling Sharpe on Sep 15, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Messiah Cutler
Yeah, some of the picks weren’t his fault, the punter distracted him. Can anyone name a Chicago QB, other than Jimmy Mac, that was above average? There were a couple that the defense dropped…. should have been 6 INT’s. Rogers doesn’t look that good, several times it seemed like he couldn’t make a decision. He’s still kind of “iffy”.
I think, really that Minnesota’s defense will carry them into the playoffs. Just my 2 cents.
by New Mexico Purple on Sep 18, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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