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So, week one is in the bag, as the Vikings roll into the Dog Pound, kick the dog, steal the food dish, and walk out with a 34-20 victory.  Let’s grade out the game, shall we?

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Pass Offense:  B.  Solid effort from Brett Favre and the receivers.  There are still some timing and audible issues, and Favre only had 110 yards passing, but that’s all he needed to have.  A lot of people look at passing yards and would consider it a C or D, but there’s more that goes into it.  Did he make throws when he had to?  Yes.  Two throws in particular kept third quarter drives going that resulted in touchdowns.  One was to Visanthe Shiancoe on third and long, the second was to Percy Harvin on second and long.  If the first throw fails its fourth down…field goal.  Instead of 17-13, it’s 13-13.  Second throw fails, it’s now third and long and the playbook is limited.  And by limited, I mean a 5 yard screen pass to Chester Taylor.   Maybe they make it on third down, maybe not.  But on third and short, Favre found Harvin for a short TD pass, and in all truthfulness the game was over at that point.  Again, chances are that if the first down isn't made the Vikes kick a field goal, and now it’s 16-13 as opposed to 24-13.  The complexion of the game is completely different.  Would TJ or Sage have made the same reads and resultant throws?  Maybe, maybe not.  If the Vikings had full faith and confidence in their ability to make throws like that, would Brett Favre be on the team?

Run Offense:  A.  Adrian Peterson.  That’s all I have to say.  Well, okay, the line play was particularly impressive, and Phil Loadholt and John Sullivan acquitted themselves well run blocking, but every time AP gets the ball, I hold my breath in anticipation, because he has a better than even chance to break it.  7 man front, 10 man front, it doesn’t matter.  If AP gets to the second level, he’s gone.  He’ll bulldoze you, outrun you, out maneuver you, maybe all on one play.  The last time I held my breath like that was when I watched Barry Sanders, and I held my breath in fear.  Now it’s in anticipation, and I hope we get to watch him for 10 years.

Run Defense:  A-.  Yeah, Cleveland averaged 4.5 yards per carry, but the Browns rushed for under 100 for the game.  Lewis had a few impressive runs, but when the Vikings needed to clamp down the run, they did.  I thought they did a particularly good job shutting down Cleveland’s version of the Wildcat, especially on the goal line.  Why the Browns ran the Wildcat with Josh Cribbs on the goal line when they could have used a big brusing back like Jamal Lewis is beyond me, but they did.  And the Browns got stuffed.  And as I looked at the NFL Sunday Ticket rapid rewind last night, Jimmy Kennedy stuck out, and in a good way.  He made a couple of nice stops, and seems to be a good solid backup. 

Pass Defense:  B+.  Antoine Winfield just slobberknocks people, doesn’t he?  There were a couple of coverage breakdowns, but the days of receivers so open that you’d think they had H1N1 seems to be over.  Cedric Griffin has stepped up his game, and seems to have improved in his man coverage skills (minus the nullified TD/PI call involving Braylon Edwards), and I was particularly impressed with both Chad Greenway and Ben Leber covering the short and intermediate routes over the middle.  I miss Darren Sharper, but for at least one game, Tyrell Johnson was up to the task, as was Madieu Williams, finally 100% healthy after battling a persistent neck injury last season.

Special Teams:  C-.  Kick coverage was good, averaging only 20 yards per return.  Punt coverage was good, except for the, you know, touchdown by Josh Cribbs.  Cleveland had 3 punt returns for 67 yards, and ironically, Cribbs’ TD return was for…wait for it…67 yards.  I thought the onside kick was a bold call, and I hope we see more of stuff like that as the season unfolds.  Chris Kluwe and Ryan Longwell are two of the more dependable kicking tandems in the NFL, so if the punt coverage can put that one return behind them and focus on the two positive ones and build from that, overall this unit will be dramatically improved.

Coaching:  B-.  It was definitely a tale of two halves, but I will give Childress and company credit—they remembered who brought them to the dance and allowed Adrian Peterson to get untracked.  The first half was a combination of typical Childress conservatism and a small schism in timing (schism, get it?) between Favre and the receivers.  Oh, and Adrian Peterson needed to be bled with leeches at halftime.  But the two back breaking touchdown drives in the third quarter (11 plays, 55 yards and  13 plays, 82 yards) were a good mix of runs and passes that kept Cleveland off balance and wore out the Browns defense, setting the stage for Peterson’s electrifying 67 yard romp and stomp dagger in the 4th quarter.

Overall:  B.  Cleveland isn’t a very good team, and the expectation was that the Vikings should beat the Browns handily.  The fact that they actually did is mildly surprising, because these are games that historically give the Vikings fits.  In outside, road, natural grass games, the Vikes are 9-25 since 2002 (including playoffs); 5-15 under Brad Childress.  They usually look horrid outside on grass and play some terrible games against some terrible teams, but not this past Sunday.  Let’s hope that trend continues against the woeful Lions, a team the Vikings always have fits with.  

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nice job!

I graded the coaching a B- simply for the fact that Childress is ‘letting’ Favre audible at the line.

I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 16, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post and review!

Can’t argue with your grades other than I give our STs a D- ,because that’s what pleagued us last year. Kluwe cannot out kick the coverage period, we can’t afford those types of mistakes. Kluwe was almost flawless in the preseason in getting air under his punts, who cares about net average? You got the record last year, now just let the Defense do it’s job!

by nmvikesfan on Sep 16, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Kluwe has shown he can get the hang-time, and the accuracy, when he wants to. Now he just needs to do it, his pre-season performance was outstanding and exactly what we need. We don’t need any more ‘Cribb-returns’.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 17, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree mostly

I would rate:

Pass offense: C- at best (110 yds?)
Run Offense: AAA (like a stock rating)
Pass defense: B+ (agreed)
Special Teams: C (better than last year I guess-finger crossed!)
Coaching: B- (agreed)
Overall: B (agreed)

by PurpleJesus on Sep 16, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yards aren't all that go into the passing grade

but I can see why people would downgrade it.

Brett Favre is a Viking, and John Smoltz is a Cardinal. The Cubs and Packers still suck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

by MilCardFan on Sep 16, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Need more balance

That is what is going to win us a Super Bowl. Not running for 180 and passing for 110. We need to improve in this area a lot.

by PurpleJesus on Sep 16, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are being way to generous on the special teams grades. Giving up a return TD is not acceptable, I don’t care how good the other punts/kickoffs were, that one return drops the team to a D at best.

by zebano on Sep 17, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Letting a punt return go in for a touchdown is like the ultimate disgrace for a special teams unit, isn’t it? I can’t give them anything better than a D either for that.

I’d would only downgrade the pass offense if I were looking solely at that category for the whole game. However, taking into account the run offense, there was no need to try anything more. Plus, no INTs or even dumb throws for that matter. I give it a B too, maybe a B-.

by Figgs on Sep 17, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How sad is it...

That we view only giving up one TD as a vast improvement?

Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com

Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Sep 17, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

But there is definitely an improvement. heck we are stopping people on punts and kickoffs near the 20-25! OMG last year it was hold your breath and HOPE we could stop them on the right side of midfield.

Anyway, I see us as average now at best, not good, hence the C.

by PurpleJesus on Sep 17, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand giving the passing game a C

Favre did what he had to do but didn’t go beyond that. The passing game was good enough or acceptable. That’s usually a C grade represents.

by ckb on Sep 17, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

B overall is perfect

The Vikings are supposed to beat a team like the Browns easily. But it did take them into the second half to put them away. Had they jumped on top and stayed there I’d go with the A. If they had won by just a score then a C. Won with late heroics a D and an F for losing.

Really though for a week 1 game and QB still getting the timing down they looked pretty darn good and clean. The penalties were low. No turnovers. Just one breakdown on the punt return but other than that no plays got away from them. Defensively they gave up only I believe two 15+ yarders.

I’d like to see more in the passing game but by the time it sorta started to click we didn’t need it anymore. But really most teams don’t pass that well week 1 because everyone is a bit over-stoked and sloppy with the finess stuff.

by Sand0 on Sep 17, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bold Call?!?

You thought the on-sides kick was a “bold call”?!? Render unto me a friggin’ break MilCardFan.

An on-sides kick on the opening kickoff is the kind of gimmick you try to pull against a superior team to see if you can shake them up a little. Against a lesser team (especially starting an inexperienced QB and with a great defense like the Vikings have) you kick it down the field and pin them there. You don’t take the chance of giving them great field position and lifting their spirits on the first play of the game. In the final analysis, that on-sides kick should NOT be just a minor footnote for the Special Teams category, but a glaring negative in the Coaching category.

And Coaching was a C- or a D, not a B-. The opening kickoff. The first three offensive plays (off-tackle run; off-guard run; pass BEHIND the line of scrimmage). Using challenges to desperately try to get momentum back after giving it away on the opening kickoff. “Allowing” Adrian Peterson to get untracked in the second half? Are you high? How do you “allow” Adrian Peterson to get untracked? You give Childress way too much credit for the good, and not nearly enough responsibility for the bad.

by aladdinwa on Sep 18, 2009 8:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If it would have worked...

You would be praising that boldness. Don’t even deny it.

Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com

Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Sep 18, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do deny it

I do deny it. I emphatically deny it! Whether it works or not, you never give a lesser team take a chance to give a lesser team the chance to sieze momentum right off the opening kickoff. NEVER! You kick the ball deep and let your defense put them down from the very beginning.

by aladdinwa on Sep 18, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I liked it

Yeah it was a gimmick and didn’t work, but was it a catastrophe? No. I mean, we bitch and piss and moan about Childress being too conservative, so he finally does something to take the initiative early and seize momentum, and it didn’t work.

You allow Adrian Peterson to get untracked by giving him the ball after only gaining one yard rushing in the second quarter. It would have been easy to rely more on the pass and risk going three and out. They ran the ball, got a first down, got some momentum and rhythm going, and went down and scored.

You seem to rip me for being too lenient on Childress; I could take the same tack and say you’re not giving him enough credit for what went right and blaming him for everything that went wrong, which at the end of the day wasn’t much. They won. By 14. On the road.

And no, I’m not high, but thanks for asking.

Have you been a dick your whole life, or have you taken night classes to hone your skill?

Brett Favre is a Viking, and John Smoltz is a Cardinal. The Cubs and Packers still suck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

by MilCardFan on Sep 18, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Childress Get No Points For Making The Easy Decisions

When Childress does something bold, I’ll give him credit for it. But, you give him credit for continuing to give the ball to the best player on his team (and the best player in the NFL) when his team is down by only three points with half of the game still remaining to be played. Gee, there’s a bold and innovative strategy for ya. Who else would have thought to do that? And, of course, it was all because Childress kept giving him the ball that Peterson had the monster second half and not because of the I.V. Peterson got at halftime. Puh-leese.

I won’t give Childress any points for continuing to use the best player in the NFL in the second half, because that’s an an easy decision, and no-brainer, to boot. I do take points away for the rinky-dink, gimmicky, on-sides opening kickoff, for reasons that I have explained earlier; and because the result was that Cleveland did grab the momentum by driving the short field provided by Childress; getting the first score of the game; and winning the first half. And, after three years, I’m also sick and tired of watching third-down pass plays that either don’t get to the first-down marker, or don’t even get to the line of scrimmage. If Childress is going to continue to call hook-stop-and-catch pass plays on third down that allow the defenders to close on the receiver, then he should at least have them hook-stop-and-catch beyond the first down marker, don’t you think?

Yeah, they won by 14 on the road. Against Cleveland. Because of Peterson, not Childress.

Oh, and by the way, the “are you high” comment, may have been a little harsh and I apologize for it, but it was only questioning your judgement (which I obviously disagree with), not an attack on you, personally. Not like “dick”. If you’re going to do Fan Posts, you really need to grow a thicker skin.

by aladdinwa on Sep 18, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reason I give him credit for it

is because at times, he seems to be the only one who doesn’t realize the best player in the league is his starting RB, and it’s maddening. Because it’s easy and a no-brainer doesn’t mean it’s obvious to Chilly sometimes. And I’m with you on the third down plays, but the thing is, I was expecting those type of plays, and he didn’t call them, for the most part, in the second half. He used Peterson. This is progress!! This is exciting!! So should I downgrade him for doing what every coach in the NFL not named Lovie Smith would do? Maybe, but we’re all about baby steps here, and I reinforce positive behavior with positive reward.

And a 14 point win is a 14 point win. It was ugly early, but it worked out well.

Sorry for the dick comment. This is a civil place, and a good place to come to talk football and not wade through reams of jackassey that is so prevalent on other Viking message boards. The high comment was uncharacteristic of this place, but not as out of line as my reply. I’m all about having a thick skin, I just normally don’t see stuff like that on the SB boards. I over reacted, I apologize.

Brett Favre is a Viking, and John Smoltz is a Cardinal. The Cubs and Packers still suck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

by MilCardFan on Sep 18, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Opening Kick

Personally, that’s what I always prefer to do; kick off to start the game so that I get the ball back to start the second half. The on-sides gimmick was interesting, the other team didn’t expect it, and Chilly probably figured they could recover in case things went horribly wrong. I like it, it demonstrated a willingness to take some risk.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 18, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

beer raised.

I liked it too. what the hell.

I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 18, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was pretty disappointed with their performance. They're lucky they were playing the Browns.

I have no real problem with the D, but the pass-coverage needs work. A-

ST’s giving-up a TD twice in the last two-weeks is unacceptable, and almost unheard of..(except when talking about the Vikings)…I give ST’s a D-.

Offense: Favre won’t last 16+ games if we allow him to get sacked 4x’s a game. Now some of that is because we have 2 new guys on the O-line, but a lot of it is from the predictable play calling.
Like the guy above me said. “We need more balance”. 180 rushing and 110 passing isn’t going to cut it when playing respected teams. (for awhile there I thought Jackson was playing in the 1st-half)
I give the offense a generous B, and I’m giving them that because Chilly finally made adjustments for the 2nd half, and it worked. :~)

Overall, I give them a C.
I would give them a B, but consistently making mistakes on ST’s is costing them a whole grade.
I want to see more play-action when facing 9 in the box. ADAP can’t carry the load he carried last year. We need to pass on 1st down once-n-awhile, and keep opposing defenses honest.

I hate to sound so harsh,because I know a win is a win, and you take them anyway you can in the NFL. But I’ve been on the SB-Wagon since this time last year. I honestly believe the Vikings have a great shot at being World Champions this year, but it’s going to take 100% from all 53 players, and 100% from all the coach’s every week to get there. “Mistake-free Football”

Sorry for the rant, Go vikes!

by chaosg on Sep 18, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

3 Tight ends gets you 9 in the box

The Vikes lined up with 3 tight ends and 1 WR throughout the game. When you do that, it’s going to get you 9 defenders in the box. That doesn’t mean a play-action is going to fool the defense or catch them out of position. The offense has 10 in the box for crying out loud!!

Where we need the play action calls is when we line up with 2 WRs and a FB, or with 3 WRs and 1 RB, and there are still 8 in the box and a safety cheating close to the box.

But you have to keep in mind that when defenses put 8 in the box on those formations by the Vikings, they are also BLITZING to stop the run — indeed, they often blitz with a corner to stop AP before he gets started. If you run a play action into a blitz like that, you get sacked, cuz the play action doesn’t take the defense out of anything and it turns your QB from seeing his impending doom. (Eg, the naked bootleg in the red zone that led to a Farve sack by the Browns!!)

What we really need are more of those quick slants and outs that Farve is so good at. The Vikes only ran ONE slant play against the Borwns, and that wasn’t even a called play or an audible — it was just free-lance call by Farve signaling to Rice at the line of scrimmage to run the slant when the rest of the team ran an off-tackle play to the left in the 2d quarter.

Slants and Screens will burn the 8-man in the box blitz packages that teams have been throwing against the Vikes to stop AP for the past 2 years. I keep waiting for them….

TiggerSr

by TiggerSr on Sep 18, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slant, Slant, Slant

Well said,
Everyone knows the slant pass (a Farve specialty) is the back breaker of the 8 man box. It will work but lets just remember that Farve has only had three weeks with the team and receivers. I am so thankful that the team has a few games to start the season that can be a learning and adjustment time while the defense wins the game.

If Farve and the receivers perfect the uncalled pass on a run play watch out NFC. By the way has anyone else noticed that our receivers actually catch the Farve passes. No more uncatchable bullet passes? Old arm? Smarter QB? Just asking.

by lifelongvike on Sep 19, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Play-action, slant, slant, slant...whatever, as long as they mix-it up a little.

I’m tired of seeing the same old “Run it up the middle” every-time. Why keep 5 or 6WR’s if we’re just going to run it all the time?
    
Wouldn’t it be nice if we saw a simple 7-8 man fronts on 1st-down once-n-awhile? There’s times when opposing defenses stack 10 in the box, and instead of calling an audible, the Vikings still run it..lol.

The only way to relieve pressure off the run-game is to start throwing the ball more!

by chaosg on Sep 19, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Throwing for throwing sake is not good football

If you run for 3+ yards a play and win every game isn’t that good? Of course it is not fan friendly but winning is the key. I don’t think the Vikes went out and got Farve just to hand it off. Defenses have to respect his ability to read defenses and pick them apart. I simply keep reminding myself that he has only had Three weeks to really work on the passing game AND get in shape at the same time.

A lot of ball running until the Green Bay game. By then the passing game and receivers shouls be on the same page. Patience. Viking fans have a lot of it and we will need it the first half of this season.

by lifelongvike on Sep 19, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Throwing for throwing sake is not good football"

Yeah, I understand that, but we need more balance. ADAP Will Not last 19 games if we continue to run him into the ground like we do. You know as well as I do that AP doesn’t always have good games, and throwing to Mills or Tahi 2yrd short of the 1st-down marker just wont cut it this year.
 
What I’m getting at here is, The Vikings could be down 2 possessions late in the game, when running the ball isn’t an option, but Chilly runs-it anyway. I know Favre is new, so I’m cutting him some slack there, but this team has more talent than ADAP. There is no-reason why we can’t open games with 3-4 receivers, and ADAP or C. Taylor playing the check-down.
With or w/out Favre, this team should be able to move the chains better than they do. I blame the “predictable play calling” for that.

The vikings need to get the opposing DB’s playing on their heels for a change, keep em’ honest. In order to do that, they gotta pass more, even when AP is on the field.

by chaosg on Sep 19, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We will know more after today vs. the Lions

I’m with you. I am only suggesting that you will see the passing game grow week to week. Practise makes perfect. Each week is tough but if we can learn this week and next the passing game should be able to do what you desire by the time we play Green Bay. Hope springs enternal. \If the passing game doesn’t improve I also will be on the “Get Chilly Fired bandwagon.”

by lifelongvike on Sep 20, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya' man!

It’s going to take a couple weeks for Favre to adapt and build chemistry, lets just hope the coaching-staff can adapt too.

Go Vikes!

by chaosg on Sep 20, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear CHAOSG- What do you think NOW

Did you like the improvement between Brett and Harvin? Getting better and better.
San Fran looks a lot better than last year though so I believe the passing game will be used a little earlier to open up the run. Just hope the OL can keep Farve on his feet.

by lifelongvike on Sep 20, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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