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Week 2 Post Mortem


First, let’s state the obvious.  The Vikings won the game, and they’ve started the season 2-0.  Both victories have come on the road, a difficult task to accomplish in the NFL.  I’d rather be 2-0 with two ugly wins than 0-2 and staring in the abyss of a lost season like the Vikes were this time last season.

Star-divide

  To feed the ‘NFL is in a conspiracy against the Vikings’ wing of Viking fandom, only one other team has started with two games on the road, and that would be the St Louis Rams.  To no one’s surprise, they are 0-2.  Winning on the road is tough, winning on the road two weeks in a row is tougher still, and winning on the road by two touchdowns in each game while playing bad football in the first half of both of those games is just short of remarkable.  So to all you Chicken Littles that can’t take pleasure in a road win in the division, lighten up.  It’s a win and the Vikings are undefeated.  I’ll take it.

 

Since 1990, teams that start 2-0 have a 65% chance of making the playoffs.  If you go 1-1, your chances drop to 40%.  0-2?  14% make the post season (one of those teams being your 2008 Minnesota Vikings). 

 

So what does this all mean?  It means the Vikes should be grateful to be coming home with two hard fought road victories, but they need to get some things figured out, because they won’t be playing Cleveland and Detroit every week.  Let’s get on with the post mortem, shall we?

 

Run Offense:  B-.  Just like last week, Adrian Peterson was stopped cold in the first half and ran wild in the second.  But he put the ball on the turf during a promising opening drive, sending the Vikings offense into a first half tailspin that they didn’t pull out of until a minute remained in the first half.  That said, the line and AP got on the same page in the second half, and took control of the game.  The Vikings need more consistency, obviously, but I like that they were able to take control of the game when Detroit gift wrapped it for them early in the third quarter.  And here’s a bit of advice to teams playing the Vikings:  don’t piss off Adrian Peterson.  There’s running angry, there’s running pissed off, and then there’s running Hannibal Lecter.  When you run Hannibal Lecter, you peel off someone’s face and eat their liver.  That’s what Adrian Peterson was doing in the second half.

 

Pass Offense:  B.  Again, unimpressive numbers yardage wise, but 23-27 with 2 TD’s and no interceptions was very impressive.  In two games, Favre has 265 yards passing, which is about three possessions for Drew Brees.  But you know something, so what?  The TD pass to TE Visanthe Shiancoe at the end of the first half was a huge momentum swing, and the TD pass to Percy Harvin in the fourth quarter was the dagger.  I don’t know what to make of the amount of sacks the Vikings are giving up, though.  Favre was dumped three times again on Sunday, but one of those definitely looked like a coverage sack where Favre chose to eat the ball as opposed to forcing it.  Either way, when you have a 40 year old quarterback and a lot of money/high draft picks invested in your offensive line, they have to keep him cleaner.

 

Run Defense:  C+.  Once is an anomaly, twice is a trend, three times is a pattern.  Kevin Smith absolutely gashed the Vikings run defense in the first half, allowing rookie Matthew Stafford to get comfortable and play with favorable down and distance situations nearly the entire first 30 minutes.  I’m not the defensive coordinator (and we may all thank the Lord for that), but it seemed like the Vikings linebackers were missing gap assignments the entire first half.  Just like last week, the Vikings made good adjustments at halftime, forced a turnover that lead to a touchdown, and then took control of the game, but Frank Gore is just a wee bit better than Kevin Smith, and an uninspired opening half could be disastrous with a quality opponent like the 49ers.  They must come out stronger and play with more consistency early on, or they will dig a hole that they will have a tough time crawling out of.

 

Pass Defense:  B.  Yes, Calvin Johnson scored a touchdown, but he only had 5 catches for 51 yards.  When you're talking about one of the most talented wide receivers in the game, I'll take it  The Vikings were on their heels early, but as the game wore on, and it was put on Stafford’s shoulders, the defense was able to make some plays and keep Detroit from making the big play.  Chad Greenway made two very nice interceptions, and Madieu Williams was putting the wood to people in the first half.  They did have a busted coverage in the fourth quarter that allowed  Bryant Johnson to break free deep, but Stafford overthrew him.  They did a good job of pressuring Stafford and making him uneasy in the second half, and Jared Allen and Ray Edwards had two nice sacks to set the tempo early in the third quarter.  

 

Special Teams:  B+.  The Vikings did a fine job on both kick and punt coverage, Ryan Longwell was money kicking FG’s, but had only okay distance on kickoffs, and Chris Kluwe did a good job punting the ball.  Kluwe averaged 42.5 yards on 4 punts and gave the punt coverage team enough hangtime that the Lions only managed 1 return for 7 yards, compared to three fair catches.  Best all around effort on special teams in over a year.

 

Coaching:  B.  A 14 point win on the road is nothing to scoff at, even if it is Detroit.  The slow starts are a concern, and if you combine them with the conservative play calling and the possibility of a two score deficit if they start slow against a quality opponent, you have the makings of a disaster on your hands.  Run defense has to get better and the play calling needs to improve (throw down the field once in a while!), but I like the halftime adjustments and the sense of urgency that the team played with in the second half.  That sense of urgency needs to appear a lot earlier in the game, but it’s better than not showing up at all, like it has with too much frequency in the Brad Childress era.

  

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I saw the 49er’s and it is time for us to put it in the next gear.

by kdog69 on Sep 21, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Curious

If the rookie QB in his second start hadn’t screwed up, and hit the wide open reciever for a TD, plus reversed a coupel other mistakes that are probably due to inexperience … would you still give that pass defense a B?

by puddnhead on Sep 21, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

lucky break indeed

That call was the single most game changing play. I still think we would have won but it could have made it interesting. It was a bad call but bad calls go both ways so take it and move on.

by iowaron on Sep 23, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 'what if' game is a dangerous one to play

The obvious answer is of course not. But Stafford didn’t make the play. What if AD doesn’t fumble on the opening drive and the Vikes take an early 7-0 lead? Maybe Stafford starts pressing early and things snowball out of control for him right there.

You can’t judge play on ‘what if’, only on ‘what did’, and what did happen was that the Vikings did a good job in containing Calvin Johnson and the passing game as a whole.

Brett Favre is a Viking, and John Smoltz is a Cardinal. The Cubs and Packers still suck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

by Ted Glover on Sep 21, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

I’m honestly a little tired of some people coming in here, playing the “What ifs” and then complaining when someone else is a bit more optimistic and happy about the Vikings right now.

Not to point a finger at you puddnhead, this is only the first time I’ve seen it from you, but there have been a few others who have been pressing my nerves with their pessimism. They’re bumming me out dude! Like totally. Why you always gotta be killing my buzz man? And so on and so forth…

by Eric The Viking on Sep 21, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm just more worried about pass defense than you are

Missing Sharper, all that. Not lulled to sleep because we avoided getting burned by two of the most anemic passing games in the NFL, Browns and Kiities, only by their ineptitude. Look at those rankings again. He has the Pass D with the highest ranking of any part of the D or the Offense!

by puddnhead on Sep 22, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what the NFL is...

NFL teams are surprisingly close in starting talent. With a salary cap and floor, they are designed to be such. NFL games are won and lost by explosive plays and turnovers… Obviously, you give Detroit an extra explosive play and take away a turnover, the game gets closer… That’s also what makes the games so exciting!!

by ctowner35 on Sep 21, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the concern over play calling is overblown

I wonder how much of that is because the O line hasn’t had enough time to gel and get better. If Favre had more pocket time I think you would see deeper throws and a much more effective running offense earlier. It looks like the rookies need to see the film intel at the half to make adjustments.

by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 21, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry, but I don't really buy that one

This line has had a chance to gel since April, with all the minicamps, training camp, pre-season games, and now two regular season games. I’ll give the QB and receivers one more week for this ‘time to gel’ excuse, but the line should be better.

Brett Favre is a Viking, and John Smoltz is a Cardinal. The Cubs and Packers still suck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

by Ted Glover on Sep 21, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a tough case

After all, we have a rookie and a new starter on the O-line. And believe me, they haven’t all been together since April. Yes, we drafted Loadholt in April, but he wasn’t with the team until June. Secondly, he hasn’t had a chance to see real NFL defenses until two weeks ago. You really don’t come together as a unit until everyone has seen what they’re up against. This week may have a couple of more growing pains in it, but you can bet that by Week 4 at Lambeau, this unit will be ready. A game with that sort of hype will certainly bring everyone together, and hopefully everyone will bring their best. If they don’t? You can bet Favre and AP will be all over them.

by Eric The Viking on Sep 21, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

by the 4th game, if they can’t get it together…then we have a problem.

by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 21, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's just me,

but it seems every year the o-line ‘needs time to gel’. When you’re as well paid as the left side of the line is, and you’re breaking the huddle with up to 2-3 TE’s half the time, you shouldn’t need ‘time to gel’. It should be ‘time to impose your will’ from the first snap of the ball.

Brett Favre is a Viking, and John Smoltz is a Cardinal. The Cubs and Packers still suck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

by Ted Glover on Sep 21, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

This one burns my ass. Even with Birk handling the snaps, the O-line was porous and weak, and I never understood that when Hutch is supposed to be so wonderful and Mt. McKinnie the Uber-anchor on the left. The right side, we all acknowledged there were problems, but we had two pro-bowlers and a monster on the left and it didn’t seem to help much.

Our QBs need better protection, the pocket needs to exist, and maybe even give that critical 5-7 seconds of time for someone to get open. If that happens on a regular basis, I guarantee our total offense will improve dramatically, whether it’s Favre or T-Jack at the helm.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 24, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Mythical Pocket

It just kills me when I watch the protection that Peyton Manning gets, or even their 3rd string QB. When I watch Campbell drop back into the pocket and run through his downchecks and actually have the time to find a target, and I think back on our line’s performance, with our vaunted pro-bowl level players (that includes the now-gone Birk when he was here last year). I don’t understand why we give up so many sacks when our O-line is supposed to be so good, I’m just not seeing the goodness happening.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 25, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many sacks did Manning get from us?

3? out of 5 dropbacks? Sure, it was the preseason, but these things vary, depending on the rush.

Even so, I see your point about our line. It’s really frustrating.

by virginia viking on Sep 26, 2009 6:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not all the line

We get more blitzes because of AP, since that is the best way to stop him. We have seen both Loadholt and Sullivan get beat, but that happens. We just dont get very many 4-man rushes because we don’t rely heavily on medium range passes — yet.

TiggerSr

by TiggerSr on Sep 26, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully we'll see more of that soon

Favre and Harvin/Shanko seem to be developing a good chemistry, I really hope that translates into a passing game that forces the opposing D to back off the line and get more self-protective.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 27, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

birk gone

They should have signed Birk. He was a stud. We might end up playing against him in the
supurple bowl.

by iowaron on Sep 23, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, he was a stud three years ago

But his play had dropped off. I love Birk, always will, and I wish the Vikings had re-signed him, but Sullivan, with the exception of an isolated play or two, has been pretty good.

Brett Favre is a Viking, and John Smoltz is a Cardinal. The Cubs and Packers still suck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

by Ted Glover on Sep 24, 2009 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Line Problems

This line would have been better with Birk. They didn’t sign him. So we have a rookie and and a 1st year guy. Growning pains my friend. Every team has weaknesses. All you can do is patch them up the best you can. Good teams magnify their strength and limit their weakness.

by iowaron on Sep 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Birk

Birk decided to leave because he wanted change. It wasn’t because of lack of money or any other assumption. I don’t think we could have given him enough money to keep him.
I guess sometimes its truely not about the money.

by midnightwonder on Sep 23, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest

He only wanted a change of scenery because the Vikings had not offered him an extension until the off-season. He said early last year that he wanted to re-sign and retire a Viking. The Vikings front office waited until the last possible minute to offer him anything, and by that time he was fed up and decided to leave

by PurplePeopleEaters09 on Sep 23, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good memory

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 24, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brad Chilress game plan for 2009?

In the past the Vikings have disappointed their loyal fans by blowing a big lead, and mostly losing the game with less than a minute remaining, or in overtime.

Now it is becoming apparent that Brad Childress is still thinking he is capable of calling plays during the game. Vikings play possum in the first half, not stopping the run on defense, as well as not stopping the passing. And not passing in the first half, even if the other teams defense have 8 or 9 in the box to stop Adrian Peterson.

Would someone take away that “Big Play Calling Card” away from “Chilly”, and let someone who knows what they are doing be allowed to call all the plays (such as the Offensive and Denfensive Coordinators) !

Vikings were lucky the first two weeks, agains two temas that never should have done as good as they did. The rest of the season the Vikings will not be that lucky.

Got to be alive to complain, never heard a dead person! ~Parnelli

Everyone we meet in life give us happiness, some by their arrival, others by their departure!

by Parnelli on Sep 22, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Didn’t Chilly cede the offensive play-calling to Bevell sometime in the last couple of seasons?

by virginia viking on Sep 22, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

I don’t mind it all that much. If we can throttle teams like the Browns and Lions using the 1945 Navy playbook, then by all means, let’s.

I just hope that little four-eyed, nonsense-talkin’, beard-sportin’ accountant (I love, you, Brad.) knows when to change things up.

by virginia viking on Sep 22, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I think that was called the flying wing or something. W’s are W’s at the end of the year the one’s with the most go to the playoffs!

it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin

by montana vikes fan on Sep 23, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

He called that on-side kick which was fairly bold

I think its a mistake for the first offensive series to start with 2 plays where the team lines up in a running formation and hands the ball off.

by Salty on Sep 25, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

O Line Problem

I was watching the replay of the game and found little O- line problem on run blocking. Only on pass blocking. So Chilly brings in an extra tight end or two. Good formation against an 8 in the box. Only the tight ends can’t pass block very well. So until they figure out how to pass block were stuck with the slant and dump off pass. What scares me is that the two defenses we faced are weak pass rush teams.

I am hoping hoping hoping that there is a way the coaching staff can fix this. Its not our play calling. Its a weak pass blocking O-Line.

by lifelongvike on Sep 22, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Someone said it earlier

I really think the first two games have been Chilly’s version of the Rope-a-Dope. We let the Browns and Lions give us their best shots in the first half and tire themselves out. Also, why tip your hand to the 49’s and Packers. All the film they have now is the vanillia offense. Just watch, in one of these two games, on the first offensive play, Farve will fake a hand off to AP and let one go to either BB or PH for a long 6. Great things are coming, I just like seeing a little improvement every week during the season. Stay healthy and keep winning.

Skol Vikings

by SouthernNorseman on Sep 23, 2009 6:47 AM CDT reply actions  

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