49ers-Vikings: Your friendly neighborhood 49ers blogger
Hey folks,
This is Fooch from Niners Nation. The 49ers and Vikings square off in a somewhat surprising battle of 2-0 teams. Indeed NFC supremacy clearly could be on the line!!!!! Or at least that's what Fox will tell you (just not in their announcers - Sam Rosen and Tim Ryan, really?).
I'm here to answer any questions about my 49ers heading into this matchup. I'll even get some of the NN faithful to swing by to help answer questions. If you feel like helping out Gonzo over at NN, check it out. In the meantime fire away. I might not answer right away, but I'll definitely get you an answer.
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I'll start
Do you think the 49ers will go all out again to stop Adrian Peterson? My memory of the last we played you was that the 49ers ‘sold out’ (for lack of a better way to put it) to stop AD, and they were very, very successful in doing that. However the rest of the Vikings offense had better success (including Chester Taylor’s 80 some yarder). It seems to me that selling out to stop Adrian when TJax was QB and no Berrian or Harvin is a better strategy than when you have Favre, Berrian, and Harvin because you’re essentially gambling on TJax being what he is—a mediocre to bad QB who won’t/can’t do enough to beat you. That’s changed this time around. What do you think the 49ers are thinking this time around?
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 23, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
defense
The 49ers defense appears to be much more aggressive and physical this year. Given that Favre hasn’t been a world-beater in his first two games, I would think the team will initially leave their corners on their respective islands and gear up to stop the run.
I guess a counter-question so I can answer this better is: Do the Vikings use Chester Taylor and AP together a lot, or is it usually one or the other on the field?
by Fooch on Sep 23, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little...
We’ve seen them in the backfield together a little more this year, but we’ve seen AD and Percy as split backs much more often…
by ctowner35 on Sep 23, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beat me to it, but I agree. See below.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 23, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s mostly individually (either AD is back there or Chester is back there, but not often both). There’ll probably be a few plays where AD and Harvin line up together this Sunday as well.
I think Harvin is the biggest X-factor in all this. Dude can run and run well, and he and Favre are developing a nice rhythm. The Vikings increasingly look like they’ll still be able to get their ‘rush’ yardage because Favre is so quick to get the ball to guys like Harvin and Chester out in the flat. Doesn’t say much about passing down the field, but I wouldn’t write off Favre’s ability to do that at an average level either (a few makes, a few misses, maybe a turnover, a score, some first downs, etc.). He’s not going Drew Brees on you, but he’s certainly not going to go TJax on you either.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 23, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd...
Has Ahmad Brooks contributed anything to your defense since you guys picked him up this off season? I went to high school with the guy and he was an absolute MONSTER, but I haven’t heard anything about him this year.
by JRockItsAllGood on Sep 23, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
injury
He had his knee scoped late in the preseason and is probably going to be questionable or doubtful for this game. However, before that he did enough to make the 53-man roster and I’d imagine he’ll get some chances. He looked good in the preseason, so we’ll see if it carries over once he gets on the field in the regular season.
by Fooch on Sep 23, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you go to high school at LC Bird?
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 25, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How has San Fran’s line play looked thus far this season? O-line and d-line.
On the offensive side, has QB protection been an issue at all in the first two weeks? Do you think Minnesota’s stout pass rush will be a problem?
On the defensive side, what do you think we can expect? Do you expect Favre to be under a lot of pressure? Do you think the line can sufficiently stop the run? In all honesty, I ask this question because outside of Patrick Willis (who is a freak of nature) I don’t know much about the niners defense except that Singletary has them playing very well. Who are some unsung heroes to look out for on Sunday?
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Sep 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Line play, offense, defense
Line play: The defensive line has shown improvement from last year. Justin Smith remains a consistent force, but Ray McDonald has shown improvement in the pass rush and Aubrayo Franklin is a solid run stopper for the team. The pass rush is meant to come from the linebackers and the line has opened up some holes for them.
The offensive line has had its ups and downs. Gore had his huge game last week, which was due in no small part to the offensive line breaking open some nice inside holes. At the same time, Shaun Hill is among the league leaders in sacks. The blame can be split between the line and the QB, but they need to improve in protecting against the pass rush.
Offense: As mentioned above, the pass rush could be a problem. The team is currently rotating two players at right guard trying to find the right combination. Barring some breakthrough, I’d imagine the Vikings getting at least 2 or 3 sacks.
Defense: The pass rush has shown strong improvement. I don’t expect Brett Favre to be on his back all day, but the 49ers have been able to get to QBs so far. This is certainly a big test of that given the Vikings rushing attack. One guy to look for on passing downs is Ray McDonald. He is not a starter, but gets in when the 49ers go 4 down linemen.
One strength of the 49ers is their secondary’s run stopping ability. Nate Clements is an excellent open field tackler and Michael Lewis’s primary strength is in the run game. Of course, if AP or Taylor are breaking into the secondary that would not be a good thing for the 49ers.
by Fooch on Sep 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9ers look good
If Gore can move the chains this could be an interesting game. I think your defense is solid enough to keep you in it. If we shut down the run its going to be a long day for you though. I don’t expect you guys to stop our running game for the whole game. The fourth quarter brings out the best in AD. That split second of fatigue and the guy just makes people pay. Its nothing against your team cause I like the 49ers. The 49ers are the best team we have faced. Of course we are the best team you have faced also. I think the 49ers are much improved and you guys could win the west. Its our home opener and this team has Superbowl in its sights. Unless we have some costly turnovers I don’t see us losing this one.
by iowaron on Sep 23, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Singletary having full control, how different does the team appear compared to last year?
What appears to be the greatest strengths and weaknesses of the team?
Where can I go to get a good sourdough loaf if I head out to SF?
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
by Robert Rence on Sep 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Answers
1. This team is definitely playing more physical and aggressive football on defense. The offense continues to struggle at times, but there is a much different mentality with this team. Almost all of training camp was spent in pads so the team is definitely ahead of many teams in terms of the physical aspects.
2. Strength: The physical nature of the team. I think it gives them an advantage early in the season and helped them in beating Arizona and Seattle. The 49ers do not have as much talent as some teams and so if they can wear them down through physical play.
Weakness: At this point it’s probably QB protection. That covers a lot of the offensive problems. If Hill had more time in the pocket, or made quicker decisions, he might be more successful in making plays. He’s not an awful QB, but he obviously could show much improvement.
3. That’s a good question. I’ve NEVER bought sourdough bread out here! Although, down in Fisherman’s Wharf there’s a bread-making place. I can’t remember the name though.
by Fooch on Sep 23, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How's Frank Gore??
I heard that he may be dealing with an ankle problem??
by ctowner35 on Sep 23, 2009 1:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A corollary question:
Will the real Frank Gore please stand up?
Week 1: 22 carries, 30 yards, 1 TD against a rush D rated 2nd in DVOA (-52.5%)
Week 2: 16 carries, 207 yards, 2 TD against a rush D rated 23rd in DVOA (7.6%)
For context, Minnesota’s rush D is rated 11 (-16.4%)
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 23, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I saw
In the ‘Zona game, the Niners O-Line didn’t play great, but it seemed to me like a case of AZ’s run-blitz really being on point. I can’t tell you how many times there was a LB in the backfield immediately after Gore was handed the ball. On the flip side, the Seahawks were just cramming people into the box, granted without Leroy Hill, Brandon Mebane, or Lofa Tatupu, and once the Niners got a body on everyone, Gore was gone. Because of their individual talent on the D-Line, I would guess that the Vikings are not a big run-blitzing team, but they have a more talented front seven than the Seahawks. I’m predicting Gore to finish somewhere in between the two extremes of his first games, something like 100 yards from scrimmage and a score.
by the guy on Sep 23, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much what you said
Also consider that the Arizona gameplan included 8 in the box minimum and bring a 9th defender in on rushing downs. Raye simply didn’t adjust his offense to take advantage of those 9-in-the-box situations and with the poor offensive line play, the rush game was just abused. Last week in seattle, we saw the 8 in the box looks and the occaisional 9th, but seattle just missed tackles and were out of position.
by Typecast on Sep 23, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ankle sprain
He sprained his ankle in the third quarter and sat out a good chunk of the second half. It sounds like he’ll be fine for Sunday. NN will have an injury update later today when it comes out so we’ll see.
by Fooch on Sep 23, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is cool
singletary was a monster, for chi town. I see his team is doing much better and I would expect nothing less from him.
This game could be decided by special teams hows your returner doing this year?
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Sep 23, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Allen Rossum
Is doing all right, he had a TD called back last week for a ticky-tack block in the back, but more importantly, Andy Lee and Joe Nedney are looking great. This week could come down to Longwell vs. Nedney.
by the guy on Sep 23, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rossum
As mentioned he had a return called back. Also, there was the block in the back, but Clements also got called for a personal foul so that might have brought it back as well maybe (not sure though). He’s due for a big return (that doesn’t get called back)!
by Fooch on Sep 23, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's your analysis of the Arizona game,
specifically in regard to your defense. Good SF defense? Bad Warner? Or some combination. Do you feel like you guys really shut them down as definitively as it appeared?
by Migrant lurker on Sep 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Arizona game
Well, the 49ers were missing Breaston and Boldin was banged up and proved ineffective. I think it was primarily a good defense that caught the Cardinals off guard. Their offensive line did not seem to be prepared for the aggressive nature of the 49ers pass rush. Also, the secondary had a huge game. Fitzgerald had ok numbers but did not really cause a ton of problems for the 49ers.
by Fooch on Sep 23, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan/Rosen
Say what you want about Rosen but Tim Ryan is the best color analyst FOX has to offer.
by drew10 on Sep 23, 2009 5:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Congrats on a great start! You have a great coach. On that note:
Give me a prediction on the game! Final score and who wins.
by Freddyd on Sep 23, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Final score WITHOUT who wins would be more intriguing.
by Migrant lurker on Sep 23, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I really can't predict who will win.
But whoever does win will win 24-20.
by the guy on Sep 23, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously can't predict.......................
you call yourself a Viking Fan?
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 23, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Niner fan
And I’m not given to blatantly overvaluing my team, like many Vikings fans seem to be. My question is, given all the Super Bowl talk that’s going on amongst Vikings fans and football pundits, if the Niners win in Minnesota, do we get to consider them Super Bowl favorites?
by the guy on Sep 23, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
49ers will not win!
Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 23, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are already niner fans talking about going deep in the playoffs
I don’t think I read a single comment that said they think they’ll lose the game. Most think they can stop Peterson. Most expect 2 interceptions. No worries about your journeyman QB.
by Salty on Sep 23, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, Niner fans should expect to lose.
Everyone on their team is terrible, they don’t even compare to the Vikings, who are going to go 19-0 and win the Super Bowl. Adrian Peterson is going to run for 200 yards, Chester Taylor is going to run for 150, and Brett Favre will finish with a perfect QB rating. Percy Harvin is going to have two plays of 40+ yards, and there is even going to be a Bernard Berrian sighting. The Niners defense, which is composed of toddlers and Pop Warner players, might as well just stay on the sideline for all the good they’re going to do stopping the incredible Vikings attack. Shaun Hill is in fact a high school quarterback, and the Niners’ O-Line is composed of midgets with multiple sclerosis. They shouldn’t even play the game on Sunday, just give a W to the Vikings on their way to a perfect season.
by the guy on Sep 24, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
I wasn’t going to say anything, but…. :)
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 24, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You had it right the first time
You dominate the Vikes and go on to play in the Superbowl.
by Salty on Sep 24, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I say that?
I simply asked since Vikings fans and many football pundits consider the Vikings to be prohibitive Super Bowl favorites, IF IF IF IF the Niners go in and handle business on Sunday, do we get to consider them Super Bowl contenders? I probably wouldn’t, but based on what’s being said about the Vikings, fans of the Niners would seem to have every right to.
And I never predicted the Niners to “dominate.” Actually, I predicted 24-20 without picking a winner, mostly because I think it is going to come down to who wins the turnover battle, which is a really difficult thing to predict. If you put a gun to my head and made me choose, I would pick the Vikings, if only because they are at home.
by the guy on Sep 24, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going off the extreme sarcastic remark
I suggested reality, and you thought that was unreasonable.
by Salty on Sep 24, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If 49ers go into Minny and win the game
I would put them in the list of contenders to win the NFC
by Freddyd on Sep 25, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless
I think it’s going to be a great game between evenly matched teams.
by the guy on Sep 24, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im a 9ers fan and My heart says we will win in the playoffs
but My mind says we will lose in the playoffs ( the consistant thingis: we’ll make the playoffs). Good luck guys, I hope no one gets hurt sunday and we cn meet again later
by dalien82 on Sep 24, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Journeyman QB???????????
R U refering to the Greatest QB in NFL History?
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 25, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just ignore revenge 4 favre
it’s for the best.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Sep 24, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to think
That that’s pretty good advice to follow.
And if he doesn’t knock it off, I’ll make it significantly easier for everybody to ignore him.
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by Gonzo on Sep 24, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He makes us look bad
‘And the wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws’.
by SippyCup on Sep 24, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will call you out,
when you call me out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 23, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
prediction
I’m honestly still chewing on it. We have a prediction contest and I’ll be posting my score to that Friday. I’ll come back here with my prediction then…ok? I will say that I’ve never picked against the 49ers in that contest though!
by Fooch on Sep 23, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like
the ‘only scores’ prediction and not a winner.
My guess is: 27-20.
3 INTs total for the game.
1 fumble lost.
8 total sacks.
5 total TDs—2 rush, 2 pass, 1 return or TO TD.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 24, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of Questions
1) What is the fanbase feeling over the Crabtree situation? Sign him, screw him he wants too much, where does the consensus on him lie, and what is the feeling towards the front office? The Vikes had a similar situation with Bryant McKinnie in 2002, but it was ownership (that cheap bastard Red McCombs) that was lowballing on a contract, below ‘slot’, if you will.
2) How much faith do you have in Shaun Hill? If the Vikings can shut down your running game, does Hill have enough weapons to compensate for becoming a one dimensional offense?
LOVE the Mike Singletary hiring. I had hoped the Vikings would get either him or Kirk ferentz after Zygi fired Tice.
Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions. I hope you guys have a good season, just not this Sunday, lol.
Brett Favre is a Viking, and John Smoltz is a Cardinal. The Cubs and Packers still suck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
by MilCardFan on Sep 23, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the NinerNation fanbase is mixed when it comes to Crabtree. Some people say, give him what he wants, others say screw him let him re-enter the draft. I say nothing, I’m tired of all the media on this issue. I’ve taken a Singletary approach to it, when he becomes part of the niners, fine, but if he doesn’t, oh well.
I have faith in Shaun Hill, the run was shut down in Arizona and Hill led the niners to an impressive drive that ended up being the game winning drive. He does indeed have the weapons in Bruce, V.Davis, Morgan, Gore, and Battle.
I’m so thankful for the signing of Singletary, he brings a whole lot of straight forward, no nonsense, hit you in the mouth, as a team attitude. Hopefully the trend continues…..especially this Sunday.
by sundaysfinest on Sep 23, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
answers
1. Plenty of folks have said they don’t want him now, I think if he signed soon folks would be back on the bandwagon. Most people are just frustrated with the process and not knowing wht’s going on. Most folks are backing management on this issue. The problem with all this is that there isn’t anything “official” coming from the Crabtree/Parker camp.
2. I think Shaun Hill can make plays, particularly in the 4th quarter. But I also know that he does not have all the physical tools needed to make an impact the entire game. I definitely don’t want too many games to end up on Hill’s shoulders. A very interesting set of stats are his numbers broken down by quarter. For some reason he’s consistently awful in the 3rd quarter. No real explanation for it.
by Fooch on Sep 23, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to you an sundaysfinest
Brett Favre is a Viking, and John Smoltz is a Cardinal. The Cubs and Packers still suck. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
by MilCardFan on Sep 24, 2009 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have mixed feelings on Crabtree and Hill
I respect Hill for winning and not being JT O’ but sometimes I wouldnt mind a turnover for a 50 yd TD pass. BOLD PREDICTION: Singletary Coach of the year
by dalien82 on Sep 24, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consistently awful in the 3rd quarter?
Probably, then, we’ll have close game through the first half, maybe even be losing to the 9ers when we go into the locker room the first time. Then, when Shaun Hill is awful, and the Vikes have heard a magnificent halftime speech by the Chilly, we’ll score 17 unanswered points. It’s been something like that the last couple of games.
by virginia viking on Sep 25, 2009 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
virgin viqueen, you played the browns and the lions! good luck running off 17 straight ponits on the niners D
by mmamcneill on Sep 26, 2009 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
I didn’t play the Browns and Lions, and neither did someone named “virgin viqueen.” The Minnesota Vikings did, and they beat the wet runny crap out of both teams in the third quarters of those games.
We’ll see how many “ponits” my team puts up on yours soon enough, buddy.
by virginia viking on Sep 26, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe!
nice
I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 26, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol Niner fan fail
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 26, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Niners fans...
Is your fast start really much of a surprise to any of you? I know I thought you guys would be a sleeper team LAST year, but it never seemed to all get working, and Nolan got canned. Singletary really seems to have made good use of the quality talent the Niners (mostly, I think) had. Thoughts?
Also, I seem to remember your defense being very aggressive last time out, which kept AD in check b/c they were hitting him behind the LOS. With the misdirection plays the Vike have run every so often, do you worry that Harvin might be able to break off a big play or two? Thanks, and here’s to a great game.
by Yotum on Sep 23, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably being a homer
I thought that the niners can go into the bye week being 5-0 or 4-1, with the 2 tough games being Minnesota and Atlanta. I don’t think its too far fetched, especially if they pull this one off. Singletary has done an awesome job with this team, they are starting to develop an image on defense. I would like to see more screen plays and play action on offense.
Last game was solely focused on AP/AD. There were also turnovers in that game that didn’t help out the niners. I’m personally not too concerned about Harvin as other people seem to be. Nieve? Maybe. I think that Shiancoe and Vernon Davis play a huge role in this game. I also see this game being a breakout for Glen Coffee.
by sundaysfinest on Sep 23, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prediction from a Pack fans perspective
I think the Vikes will win 21-17. The run defense might get gashed but from talking to my friend who is a die hard 49ers fan, their pass protection has been iffy, and I think Allen and Williams will be able to capatilize on this, consequently not giving Hill enough time to make the big pass plays when the 49ers need them.
by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2009 1:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Apologies for any comments
That have been deleted that anyone feels shouldn’t have been that were part of the discourse here.
I’m not going to go “scorched earth” on this entire post or anything, but for the most part we’ve had a pretty good discussion with our 49er bretheren, and by God, it’s going to stay that way.
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by Gonzo on Sep 24, 2009 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Gonzo
There’s always the Strib boards if you’re feeling like posting that way.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 24, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks guys
the conversation has been pretty good over on the Nation as well. I know some of our guys are still in the trash talking mood though after last week’s Niners Nation vs Field Gulls trash talking thread.
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 25, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your little tagline
All my friends and I still quote that movie. You Niner fans are alright in my book.
by Yotum on Sep 25, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
you are the first person to comment on it lol. I thought maybe it was too obscure, but I asked my brother and he knew what it was from, also my mom and brother are Vikings fans, so Vikes fans are alright in my book too.
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 25, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I and some other guys have got the "R4F doesn't speak on behalf of us" out of the way...
What kind of defensive and offensive schemes from opponents have the Niners been able to exploit, and what schemes have been the teams kryptonite over the past 2 seasons?
For instance, have you guys noticed any variance in how your offense handles the 3-4 as opposed to the 4-3? Cover 2 opposed to base? Or how the defense reacts to different offensive looks like 2-TE sets, the zone run blocking scheme, 4 wide out sets, or the Wildcat formation?
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Sep 24, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
schemes
In general I’m not a very scheme-oriented person. Let me post a link to this over at my site as I know some of my readers know a lot more about this kind of stuff than me. I know about the different schemes, but I don’t know enough to be able to intelligently say the 49ers do particularly well against particularly types of defenses or offenses.
by Fooch on Sep 24, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Why does P. Willis scare me and how does the rest of the 49ers D compare to him?
2. Has Vernon Davis come back in the fold? I know he had a public showdown with Singletary last year that ended with him heading to the showers; has he bought into the team yet?
3. Who are the 49ers receivers and what are their strengths? I’ve heard a lot about the S. Hill, about struggling O. line in pass protection (sounds like the Vikings) but I have no idea who hes throwing to.
Addendum: I love Singletary as a head coach. As Rex Ryan showed last week, I think a certain amount of fire can really help energize your team (especially the D & running game) and Singletary has it. My dream is that somehow the Vikings win the super bowl, fire Childress and pick up Bill Cowher to be our new head coach. =)
by zebano on Sep 24, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I vote
Frasier.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 24, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. you will see real soon
2. Vernon Davis is becoming Hills saftey net. Davis is Davis but he has been given the title of team captain to become more accountable for himself and as a leader.
3. the 9ers have depth at receiver although you might not notice…. Isaac Bruce is a future hof. Josh morgan is a fan favorite who is athletic and has a large build to hopefully get by smaller defenders. Brandon Jones will either play this week or next. Arnez Battle was once the best receiver on the team but injuries has made his role less certain. Spurlock is being utilized in the “tazer” which is the 9ers form of the wildcat offense. jason Hill was Shaun Hills favorite receiver but has been quiet lately.
by dalien82 on Sep 24, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willis
1. Bamm Bamm (the nickname bestowed on Willis by Chad Johnson) scares you for many reasons. Here are some little known facts about him. The 49ers have some playmakers on defense, although not quite along the lines Willis. Nate Clements has been a solid corner for them, particularly stepping up against good receivers like Larry Fitzgerald. Justin Smith won’t show up much in the stat sheet but he’s making plays all across the field. Keep an eye on Lawson and Haralson in the pass rush.
2. Davis was named one of the team captains this year. Davis is one of Singletary’s biggest supporters and has been behind him ever since that incident. He definitely has bought into the team concept.
3. Isaac Bruce has been the most consistent receiver for the 49ers. He’s getting old, but he still makes plays, especially late game 3rd down plays. Arnaz Battle still makes some plays, but honestly, up to this point the 49ers receivers outside of those two haven’t made a whole ton of plays. Bruce has been the main guy.
by Fooch on Sep 24, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question about Hill
A lot is being said of Hill being 9-3 as a starter right now. How is Hill’s 9-3 start different than Tarvaris Jackson’s first year as starter record of 9-4 (in 2007)? Or put another way, is Hill in danger of soon tasting a dose of reality (as Tarvaris did by going 3-4 in his next seven starts and losing out to Favre and potentially even Rosenfels)?
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 24, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This may be the game
that answers the questions about Hill. I believe that both defenses are going to focus on stopping the run. This game may turn into a throwing match. If that is the case, do the Niner fans think that Hill can outduel Favre?
"Skol pa fiskande"
by NobleSavage on Sep 24, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say
Recent history (like, the last 10 regular season games) says they bring about the same amount to the table at this point. I’m wondering if Hill might be a little more up for this game against his former team than the previous two. I think ultimately it won’t come down to which QB makes more plays, but which QB makes fewer mistakes.
by the guy on Sep 24, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre was rocking till he tore his biceps tendon. Within the last 10 regular season games are these Jets games: Wk9 – 26/17 Bills, Wk10 – Rams 47/3, Wk11 – Patriots 34/31, Wk12 undefeated Titans 34/13
by Salty on Sep 24, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Look at the numbers. From week 9 of last year to now, Hill has thrown for more yards, the same amount of TDs, and fewer picks, all while completing a higher percentage of his passes with a higher YPA and QB rating. Am I saying Hill is a better QB than Favre? No. Do I think the Vikings have a distinct advantage at the QB position? No I do not.
by the guy on Sep 24, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude read what i wrote
If you want to argue that Hill or Alex or whoever is probably better than Favre with a torn biceps tendon, i agree.
If you think beating the Pats or Titans was no big deal, just say so. Did you see either of those games?
by Salty on Sep 24, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tough to tell
He’s stepped up and made plays when the team needs him to, but for the most part he’s not expected to be a huge playmaker. As NobleSavage said above, this could be a big test since both teams will be keyed into stopping the run.
by Fooch on Sep 24, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this comes down to passing
You guys better watch out for the Farvin (look around the site and you will see numerous references). Harvin has a tendency to turn 6 yard throws into 10-15 yard gains in a heartbeat. Ironically he is the ideal type of receiver for the west coast offense and getting yards after the catch.
I tend to agree with the 27-20 final score. I think Gore will get at least one, plus maybe Bruce will receive one in the red zone. I think AP will get 1 and probably both Harvin and Shiancoe (ala bubba franks style). Then we each get 2 field goals from our better than average kickers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 24, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farvin definitely worries me
Because exactly like you say, Harvin is the type of guy to take those check-downs from Favre and turn them into big plays. I would have to say that because of the versatility of their LBs, the Niners are pretty proficient at defending the TE, so I wouldn’t count on Shiancoe finding the endzone.
by the guy on Sep 24, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watch the Shiancoe
TD catch in last weeks game. The problem is that when AP slides to the outside for a shallow dump pass in the redzone, your linebackers are going to have to cover him. He is just that type of talent (not that there aren’t other backs…even in this game…that require the same attention) that he has to be covered. The offense will fake the dump pass to get the defense to slide that way and then Shiancoe just finds a small pocket for favre to no look pass it to him. If he has enought space Favre just throws too fast for it to be picked and its a TD. Granted this only works from about the 10yd line in. But Favre has used this his whole career in GB. Just look up highlights of Bubba Franks career. That’s over half his TD catches. It almost always there.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 25, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I suppose
It’s going to come down to discipline and holding to their assignments, which is something I have faith in Singletary to make sure they do. Because with the exception of Haralson, who really is a pass-rush specialist, Spikes, Lawson, and Willis should have no trouble covering Shiancoe one-on-one. The Niners are TE killers, have been since last year. I’d be less surprised to see that swing pass out to Peterson that you’re referring to as a fake go for a TD than Shiancoe getting in, but who knows. The Niners D is pretty aggressive, so an over-pursuit isn’t out of the question.
by the guy on Sep 25, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the flip side
the vikings D questions are as follows:
1. Will Pat Williams get a little more pressure on the line to plus the interior run lanes.
2. Will EJ Henderson rebound from last week and shake off that rust to properly hit his slots (that is why the lions and browns had some success running.
3. Will Allen, Robison, Edwards and K. Williams get solid pressure all game long or do the no show for a half and then show up in the second?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 25, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That D-line
Of the Vikings scares the crap out of me. I pretty much expect them to bring it, and I think it’s going to be on the Niners O-line to come ready to play. In response to your third point, and to kind of expand on it (this probably should go in the “Ask The Daily Norseman” post on NN, but I digress) does the Vikings inconsistency in general worry you? I consider the Browns and Lions to be two of the three worst teams in the NFL, and against the Browns at least (which I got to watch on Fox here on the West Coast) they definitely didn’t come ready to play, and were a footstep in-bounds by Braylon Edwards away from being down more than they were at halftime. Then when I was checking scores last week, that 12-10 score at halftime shocked me. Is it just growing pains with Favre? Or is it a mental thing? Because regardless of their talent-level (of which people seem to have varied opinions) Sing has the Niners ready to bring the effort from snap one. Do you think the Vikes can afford to come out flat against this Niners team?
by the guy on Sep 25, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two responses
First, to TheEvilProfessor—big question now is whether EJ will even play. I expect our defense to come out and be very disciplined this week—they’re a proud, veteran group, and the last two weeks has to be bugging them a ton. EJ is very important, but I think we can manage his absence for a game.
Second, re: the guy’s question about our inconsistency—yes and no. Yes, because I don’t think a team with this team’s aspirations should ever get in the habit of coming out flat. An argument can be made that the road to the Superbowl is as much about getting through your own limitations and ‘off-days’ as it is about talent (see: Arizona Cardinals, but also Pittsburgh Steelers or even NYG a couple years back). Good teams find a way to still make plays on their ‘off-days’.
At the same time, though, I’m not really concerned at all because the Vikes D has soooo much ability and with Favre the quick decision maker our offense is converting plays that used to kill us the last couple of seasons. Yes, Cleveland and Detroit are bad, but the Vikes have a long and not-so-wonderful history of playing down to the level of their opponents. While they may have done that during the one half of their first two games, the fact that they came back for definitive wins by a double digit scoring differential is a departure from the past. Look at our margins against Detroit last year as evidence (and I’d pick this year’s Lions over last years’ team if they met head to head).
I guess the biggest reason why I personally am not worried is because of Farvin—Favre is producing those vintage drives for us now where he just keeps moving the chains and drives opposing teams nuts. Even if it yields only a FG it’s still incredibly helpful because it halts the other team’s momentum and re-instills confidence in our boys. And Percy—thank god we have Percy. He’s like a suped up David Palmer—the penultimate check down receiver in the WCO: a potentially deadly open field runner who’s shift, explosive, aggressive, and decisive. Together they help us keep drives going, and that could be the difference between a 9 win season and an 11 or 12 win season. Just my opinion.
To answer your last question, I actually do think the Vikes could come back against the 49ers if they do start flat. This isn’t as much because I don’t believe in the 49ers (although to be fair, they’re still earning their cred even though they’ve looked good), but it’s just that between AD, Chester, Percy, Berrian, JA, KWill, and the rest of the defense—any of those named could break a TD or TO at any point and change the complexion of the game. Do I think the game becomes a lot more difficult to win if we start flat and the 9ers start hot? Oh hell yes. I think this game will be closer than the box score will show—I think one team will win by 7+ points, but that the game will be very, very hard fought. What’s great about this game is that it’s almost more about pride than anything else at this point—who can exert their will on the other team more.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 25, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts break down by team
1. Browns – It was pretty obvious to me that our offense was not on the same page. Also the special teams TD kind of gave the wrong impression and was necessary to enforce to Kluwe to get air and not go for distance on punts and kickoffs. When the offense got into a rythmn, the vikes put up points in bunches and they will this year at some point.
2. Lions – Are actually better than most of us give them credit for. Their problem has more to do with staying on the same page than it does with talent. I have a theory about what happens to a team that has too many very high draft picks on the team from rookie on. A fair portion of your team needs to value scheme and coordination over individual talent. That is how you get stops and move the chains, not by going for the spectacular…which the lions sometimes do. Lions will beat the skins by the way (skins just can’t score).
3. If the vikes are down slightly…then yes they can still win because they usually make the necessary adjustments after the half and Hill tends to suck it up in the 3rd. If they are down big and Hill can just hand it off to Gore, then the vikes either lose or win by last second field goal.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 26, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to biggity and Professor for the quality responses
I do have to say that while the Lions may be better on offense than we give them credit for, there was an article in Wednesday’s Wall Street Journal that gave voice to my internal thoughts on the Lions. The headline of that article? “The NFL’s Worst Defense, Ever”
Don't worry about me Thurgood, I'll be fine. The robbery is what's important now.
by the guy on Sep 26, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is because
defense takes coordination…which has been belong the lions for a long long time.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 27, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tks gonz
we really dont need r4farve here,was a pretty good convo going on before he finally popped up,was actually enjoying the read up till then.Sorry I couldnt show up for the game thread and prolly wont make it this week,got that job thing that keeps getting in the way.But will be there in spirit as I try follow game thru radio and other sources.
by speedlod on Sep 24, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NFL Supremacy?
LOL, Did you just say NFL supremacy? Your beloved 49ers come into this game winning in a division still up for grabs with Arizona in the mix and a coach who is still suspect at best (Samurai- way overated player with the Bears-Wilber Marshall could outplay him all day long) and a team who is coming into the Jungle (Metrodome) to play Adrian Peterson and the Vikings? Say goodnight Foochy……LOL
by Oldschoolvike on Sep 25, 2009 2:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hey dude
I applaud your homerism and everything, but come on. Be a sport. Fooch came over here to have a civil discussion about his team and the upcoming game—not to trash talk. Is this how you treat your houseguests? You can represent the DN better, I’m sure.
by virginia viking on Sep 25, 2009 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posters on NN also acting civilized
Not sure how many are tracking the mirror of this dialog over on the Niners site, but some good posts there as well…Nice to remember that at the end of the day we can all still act and discuss things in a civilized manner (act anyway!?)…
BTW, although I do hope for a Vikes victory, do not want it at the expense of injuries, bad play calling, etc. Just good play from both sides and a hard fought match….Iet’s see who gets the W (again, of course expect it to be Vikes
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Sep 25, 2009 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I really appreciate and enjoy these threads with our upcoming opponents because I don’t follow teams other than the Vikes very closely and they give me a better sense of what we’re going into, beyond just looking at numbes and the ‘experts reviews’.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Sep 25, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen DCPurple
It is really nice to learn about the opponent from people that really know about them.
"Skol pa fiskande"
by NobleSavage on Sep 25, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm much?
Sarcasm doesn’t play well on the Internet. I figured the excessive exclamation marks would make it easier to get. I was joking around about the NFC supremacy comment. Clearly not everybody figured that out.
But, Mike Singletary overrated? Really? I hated the Bears and even I wouldn’t say that.
by Fooch on Sep 25, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO after seeing both Niners games this year,
(SF/OAK secondary market and everything) the 49ers are the favorite to win the division since the Seahawks STILL can’t stay healthy. Gore could give us problems, Issac Bruce will have a couple big catches, and their defense will surprise us some. It should be a very fun game.
Go Nevada Wolf Pack!
by BacksThePack on Sep 25, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
favorites
I don’t think anybody can be called a favorite in the NFC West. I love the win at Arizona but they will be in this thing to the end. If Seattle can get healthy they’re right in it too.
Speaking of Isaac Bruce, on Sunday if the 49ers are hanging around in the game, I guarantee you Bruce will have some big 3rd down conversions late in the game. He’s become Hill’s go-to guy since the middle of last year.
In the running game, I’d imagine both defenses will be keying on the big name running backs, so in the end it could come down to which QB can make one or two plays.
by Fooch on Sep 25, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
turnovers and special teams
How many games will come down to turnovers and special teams play. More then likely this game is decided by one of the two or both. HF healthy could be the difference in the game.
it is better to be thought of as dumb then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ben Franklin
by montana vikes fan on Sep 25, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
on a lighter note
what do you guys think about your current uniforms? No offense, but personally I don’t like them. I’m not a big fan of the different colored panels on the uniforms, and I wish most teams would just go back to their throwbacks or some sort of varation. I couldn’t be happier with what the Niners decided to go with. Simple design that is reminiscent of the glory days. I would love to see you guys back in this

It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 25, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just realized I probably should have posed this question on the NN thread, sorry
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 25, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the old “throwback” uniforms too, the new ones look too much like they were designed by a comic book artist.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Sep 26, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Most of the new unis look like they belong in NFL Europa.
by virginia viking on Sep 26, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consensus
Is there anyone who likes the new uniforms for the Vikes?? I have heard of new one. Was the switch just economics? If so, does that bode well for another change sometime down the road (hopefully before I die)?
Has there ever been an instance of a team going back to their old uniforms? I guess the Eagles came close, and the Falcons have toyed with it. The Chargers can’t decide, I guess.
Is there ANY way to get the Vikes to go back?
TiggerSr
by TiggerSr on Sep 26, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Final prediction
I went with 49ers 23 – Vikings 17. Of course in our prediction contest I never pick against the 49ers!
by Fooch on Sep 27, 2009 12:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Final Predition
Vikings 38
49ers 6
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 27, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations!!!
Awsome game guys, I almost puked the last drive. I hope we see you in the playoffs
by dalien82 on Sep 27, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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