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The top 10 mobile QBs of all time (by NFL Network)


There has probably been a post about this already, but I don't recall one about the entire list.  After the jump, there is a poll, a summary of the list, and more...

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1. Fran Tarkenton
2. Steve Young
3. Randall Cunningham
4. Michael Vick
5. Bobby Douglass
6. Roger Staubach
7. Dan Marino
8. Jim Zorn
9. Doug Flutie
10. Donovan McNabb

NOT included: Kordell Stewart, Daunte Culpepper, Rich Gannon, John Elway...and even Jim Harbaugh or Rodney Peete may have moved around more than some of those guys.  I'll bet that Ray Lucas, the Jets QB who was brought in to run the option, was more mobile than some of those.

They must have had some minimum number of games started or career yards rushing or something.  Who else am I forgetting who at least deserved an honorable mention if Marino deserved his spot at all?

Poll
The list of the 10 most mobile NFL QBs...
...is perfect!
9 votes
...is right about the first 4 or 5, but gets ridiculous after that.
17 votes
...shows a clear bias toward east coast slow white guys like Marino.
3 votes
...is just another example of The Man trying to keep McNabb down.
0 votes
...would be fine were it Kordell and Elway instead of Zorn and Marino.
7 votes
...would be fine were it Kordell and Culpepper instead of Zorn and Marino.
10 votes

46 votes | Poll has closed

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Zorn

I like to see Jim Zorn on there even though I did not get to watch him as a pro much and only a couple of times as a gopher. There were a few names to remember on the gopher team in the late 70’s marion barber, Tony Dungy to name a few.

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by montana vikes fan on Sep 25, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Marino?

He had a quick release, but the guy was a statue. Pretty good list overall, though.

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by Ted Glover on Sep 25, 2009 1:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Your thinking about late in his career maybe?

Though even earlier, I didn’t think he was that mobil,e myself

by puddnhead on Sep 25, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

MilCardFan is right

Marino was never quick or nimble or able to scramble for yards, even when he was young. Everything they said about him being able to shuffle and make guys miss and make adjustments with his feet for better accuracy is true, but how in the world is that more mobile than Kordell Stewart, who started as a WR for 1 year?!?

by KC Viking on Sep 25, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

although I agree with you that he wasn't moblie

he had an uncanny ability to move around in the pocket, reset his feet, and throw. He also could do a jab step to the side and completely miss getting tacked and those things are probably what got him on this list.

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 25, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok

but isn’t every pocket passer expected to do that? If there is a place for this sort of guy on this sort of list, it is at the very bottom. We’re talking about a guy who gained fewer than 10 rushing yards per season! That is the very end of the spectrum.

by KC Viking on Sep 25, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is no sense in arguing about this

if you go to nfl.com and watch the video you’ll understand why they ranked him there.

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 25, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had watched all 10 before posting this.

All the Marino segment highlighted was that EVERY quarterback is taught about footwork and that Marino’s was exceptionally good and therefore the best of the statuesque pocket passers. What the vid didn’t say was that Marino also required an exceptional O-line, possibly the greatest to ever play together, in order to be successful in the NFL. That is part of the reason he fell so far in the draft, too. Favre and Moon moved around in the pocket well, and so did many others.

It is really pointless to confuse moving around in the pocket a tiny bit with being able to throw on the run, to run for yards, to draw coverage off of receivers by being a real threat to run and to dodge even more sack artists than Marino did with worse lines. In fact, had Marino been more truly mobile and NOT required such great lines and receivers, there would have been enough resources for a real running back once in a while.

by KC Viking on Sep 25, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand what you mean and I agree

for the most part. but like I said, we didn’t make the rankings. The “experts” did. It doesn’t really matter anyway, those segments are just fun to watch regardless of if they apply or not.

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 25, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

They seem to make decent conversation starters, too.

The Marino segment was almost worth it just for the question about whether he could have beaten any of his teammates in a foot race.

by KC Viking on Sep 25, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol yeah I laughed really hard when they asked him that

because the guy was mad slow.

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 26, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tough list

Are we judging just the mobility? If that’s the case the list is way off.
Are we setting some “minimum mobility” requirement than judging overall QB performance? If Marino makes the list, the mobility requirement isn’t very high and some other guys deserve to be on the list.
1-3 at least are truely mobil and HOF level QBs.
Vick is really questionable with the short career and mediocre accuracy (but if it’s just mobility, he belongs)
Marino and Zorn are questionable because, while great QBs, aren’t that mobile. I wouldn’t call them statues, but they aren’t in the same class as the rest of the list.
Elway needs to be considered as he was both mobile and a great QB.
Others worth consideration: Favre, Culpepper, Stewart, and Gannon.

by ChemErik on Sep 25, 2009 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Vick

As you say, it doesn’t seem like mobility is that high a requirement to be on this list. However if mobility is the primary requirement to be on this list Vick shouldn’t be any lower than number 2 on this list and should probably be number one.

Although here’s the difference between Tarkenton and Vick and why judging this list is difficult. Tark could run around like a maniac, often backwards and making his receivers do the same to try and get open long after the play had broken down, but his goal was usually still to throw the ball like a quarterback was expected to do at that time.

Vick on the other hand was out there trying to make positive yardage on his feet. He was the first quarterback to break a thousand yards rushing and averaged almost 8.5 yards per carry doing it—breaking the record of 8.44 YPC held by Beattie Feathers since 1934 (the first time a back broke the 1,000 yard mark). So regardless of the length of his career he has to be on this list.

But it all depends on if the criteria is weighted more toward scrambling ability, rushing ability, passing ability, leadership, completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, etc. Which with Young at #2 and Marino higher on the list than McNabb I’d say this is a list of the best quarterbacks that are/were able to step out of the pocket when they needed to.

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by dwarg on Sep 25, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

The point is always to throw

The point of scrambling is always the same: to draw coverage off the receivers, either during the current play or on a successive play (the defenders drop back into looser coverage or stay close to the LOS to prevent the QB scramble and give up deep passes). That is why I never understand coaches who try to transform a scrambler into a pocket passer since scrambling early in a game facilitates more opportunities to make reads and throws from the pocket instead.

Many say that Moss is the difference between Daunte’s 2004 and 2005-2007 seasons, and of course that was a factor. But so was his inability to run much after his injury and the resulting coverages he saw as a pocket passer instead.

And that’s why Tarvaris Jackson has not impressed for more than a handful of games in 3 years. He physically could scramble for a few yards here and there and take advantage of resulting coverages later for a better rating, but he lacks the instinct to do so often enough to matter. Even when he did (6 out of 12 starts in 2007 and 2 out of 5 in 2008 with 5+ rushing attempts), he only made the right reads and throws half of the time (3 good games vs. NYG, SFO and DET and 3 terrible games vs. DET, CHI and WAS; 1 terrible game vs. GB and 1 good game vs. ATL in 2008).

by KC Viking on Sep 26, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt, a tough list

Vick belongs since he has the most single-season yards as a QB (and ranks high enough on the rushing list among QBs to be there, too). He led the Falcons to the NFC Championship Game one year, so it would still be difficult to dismiss him as irrelevant.

Bobby Douglass was a Tarvaris Jackson prototype—his mobility kept him in a starting job even when he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn.

Zorn never ran for more than 290 yds in a full season of 16 starts. Jim Harbaugh averaged about 300 yards per 16 starts.

Marino was indeed a statue. He only ran for 87 yards in his long career! Favre never ran much, either (never 220 yds in a season), but Elway surpassed 300 rushing yds once in fewer than 16 games in 1987 and consistently ran for 200-something for several years (and is also remembered for a run in his last SB). Jake Plummer gained more yards per game than Zorn’s best season twice. Gannon outrushed Zorn in 1990, 1999, and 2000 (529 yards!). Kordell had 4 seasons with 400+ rushing yards and averaged over 20 per game for his career. Jeff Blake had 3 300+ yd seasons plus a few that would have prorated to about that much. Rodney Peete rushed for 363 and 6 TD in 11 games, but I can understand why they would leave him off the list for never starting for a full season. Culpepper still has a 26.4 rushing yd/gm average despite slowing down since that awful multi-ligament injury.

While Bobby Douglass was one of the first scramblers and certainly one of the few whose running ability outweighed his inability to pass in his employers’ opinions, he would be the next to go after Marino and Zorn. At least 2 of Daunte, Kordell and Gannon definitely deserved to be in the top 10.

My top 20 would include the 10 from the vid plus Daunte, Steve McNair (6 seasons of 25+ rushing yds/gm), Kordell, Gannon, Elway, Jeff Blake, Jim Harbaugh, Bobby Layne, Steve Grogan and Terry Bradshaw. And some of the NFL’s list would be at the bottom of mine.

by KC Viking on Sep 25, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Others

Jeff Garcia averaged over 20 rushing yards per game during his 5 years in SF.
Mark Brunell was a runner for his first 3 years as a starter and has accumulated over 2400 rushing yards for his career (with 8 seasons of 200+ rushing yards).
Tobin Rote had 21 rushing yards per game for his career.

by KC Viking on Sep 25, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even more

Greg Landry
Billy Kilmer (played HB for a couple of years before becoming a starting QB, but not much of a scrambling QB).
David Garrard
maybe Archie Manning
…and maybe someone like David Carr, Vince Young or Tyler Thigpen if any of them could win a starting job again.

by KC Viking on Sep 25, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Greg Landry

Watched him as a kid when he quarterbacked Detroit. He was the big reason for their playoff run in 1970 (even though he couldn’t beat the Vikes).

by purplegrey on Sep 26, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Montana not here?

Rather surprised me….He certainly was a “pretty good” QB? I would be interested to find out he remains off the list!

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by vikingfanfrom afar on Sep 26, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Mobility in Question...

I do not recall any statistics, but it seems he had as much if not more mobility than some of the names on the list? This based on the many games I watched over the years wherein he was kicking butt and able, like and others on this list, keep the games going/team moving downfield…

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by vikingfanfrom afar on Sep 26, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

Joe had 1 season where he ran more than the rest. He may have been a better choice than Marino, but that is true of ANY QB who moved around AT ALL, which they all do.

Aside from a comparison to Marino, Joe was 95% slow.

by KC Viking on Sep 26, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

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