McKinnie During Game Winning TD.

by BaldViking on Sep 30, 2009 8:28 PM CDT Comment 27 comments

Has anybody commented on Bryant McKinnie letting his guy go right by him and just standing there hopelessly watching as Manny Lawson pursued Brett Favre? Completely ridiculous! Earlier in the game, Favre completed a pass to Berrian (Who was looking Troy Williamson like for most of the game) and ran down the field to throw a block to try to spring him.

Now, we have a man who is paid millions of dollars every year, who's only job on this particular play is to make sure that nobody gets to the QB, and on the biggest play of the game, he just stands there and watches as Lawson gets dangerously close to Favre. If Favre had waited another half a second, Lawson would have hit his arm, and the TD, and the win, never happen.

I'm so sick of this overpaid, lazy putz!

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#38

I also like how #38 protests the TD by punching his hand in the air as he sees the ref raise his arms to signal Touchdown! The cannon goes off just as he punches his arm in the air. I just thought it was kind of funny.

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by BaldViking on Sep 30, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Thanks for pointing that out! I’ve watched this clip about 20 times this week, but I didn’t notice that. I literally lol’d!

by JasonAve6413 on Oct 1, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure what you are seeing. The ball is hiked at the :16 mark and McKinnie immediately starts blocking his guy and rides him out of the pocket and releases him at the :20 mark in the video. 4 seconds is an eternity on an NFL play and if McKinnie is giving his QB 4 seconds on every play then he is worth more than what the Vikings are paying him. The only reason Lawson even has a chance is because Farve is still deciding where he needs to put the football and he releases it two seconds later and before Lawson has a chance to make a play on him. McKinnie even attempts to chase him, but 6’8’’ 350 pounders aren’t that fast. Would it have been nice if McKinnie pancaked Lawson and laid on top of him for the whole play? Sure, but you can’t expect that to happen. He could have done better, but he was better than the revolving door you are describing. Its more important that Farve had the time to throw the pass.

by vikingfuture8816 on Sep 30, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Mckinnie did a solid job...

He did tie up the 49er for a long time, and then he made the guy take the long way to the QB. McKinnie could have done a better acting job, but once he gets passed, he can’t really do anything legal to help the play. You’d be looking at a flag for holding or a block in the back once the defender passes him. Favre had like 8 seconds to throw the ball…

by ctowner35 on Oct 1, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eh, maybe more like 6.5, but still...

by ctowner35 on Oct 1, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

McKinney Let the guy go

The point is, the guy shouldn’t have gotten past McKinney in the first place, McKinney should have ridden the guy all the way around. Apparently he couldn’t, and when he ran out of steam, he just stood there to watch the rest of the play evolve without him, rather than pursuing back in where he might have been able to contribute again.

4 seconds isn’t an eternity, it’s average in the NFL. If McKinney was so great, at the least he would have hustled back into the play because if the QB dodged, he could be of assistance blocking again.

BaldVike has a good point here, and Mount McKinney bears close watching. Bottom line is that our front O-Line has been porous as hell, and SOMEONE has to take the rap for that. Once we know cause of the problem, we have a chance to figure out what the fix needs to be. I don’t know if McKinney does this all the time, or if this was a rare and unusual let-down before the play was over, but he bears watching…

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by DCPurple on Oct 4, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

More importantly is look where the rest of the recievers are when the ball passes them. Nobody is past the 10 yard like. In fact two of the guys are barely to the 20. The guys on the bottom of the screen are almost standing on top of each other. It is hard to see on the posted clip. If you find the over head view it is obvious.
As far as mckinnie I think he did hold the block correctly this time. I have only been able to watch the cleveland game and it seemed to me he was getting beaten on a regular basis. I think he is starting to get old

by taf442001 on Sep 30, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I think McKinnie’s the least of their worries on the O-line. He’s not perfect, but I think he gets a bad rap. He’s a quality pass blocker and amazingly has started every game since 2003 (not including the 4 games he missed last year due to suspension). I agree he did his job on this play well enough. Keep in mind he’s probably gassed, too, late in the game, running a two minute drill with no timeouts, having to run downfield and get set at the line on a couple completions in the middle of the field…

by jianfu on Sep 30, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I have to agree somewhat with Baldie on this one

He may have been "gassed, but it was the last play of the game. Yes, he did his “job” by making sure the DE went way up field, giving Favre more than “adequate” time to get the pass off in normal circumstances. But. But. But, it was the last play of the game (probably). He needed to make more of an effort to stay with DE, and the fact is he did not. Why not? Any answer you give to that question just doesn’t cut it, given the circumstances at that point in the game. It’s a question of state of mind, focus, desire, not a question of talent or even execution.

He may be good. Really good. But you would like to see more effort at that point in the game. It’s a teachable moment, even at this point in his career.

TiggerSr

by TiggerSr on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So why are we not giving Chester Taylor a hard time as well?

He pretty much did the same thing McKinnie did and we are not complaining about him.

It’s Manny Lawson Vs Bryant McKinnie. Manny will outrun him every time.

by Bjorno on Oct 1, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

SOMEONE is blowing it, and this post caught McKinney out

Everyone was exhausted by the last play, on both sides… But the DE that McKinney let go by had enough gas left in tank to pursue Favre, how come McKinney didn’t have enough left to at least hustle back into the play?

I’m probably overly critical, but at this point, I want to know why our vaunted O-line is letting our QB get pounded into the turf over and over again. This isn’t a “victimless crime”, Favre is getting nailed, and before him it was T-Jack and Ferrotte who was eating turf constantly. Someone isn’t doing their job, and if we all agree that Hutch is an O-Line God, that leaves 4 other guys to look hard at.

by DCPurple on Oct 4, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ya, dude. I think you’re harboring a bit of angst on this one. McKinnie did just fine on that play. Pretty standard job as far as OTs go. As stated by previous poster, he has his down moments but he is by far the least of our worries. I guess some people just can’t stand not having anything to complain about. Even after a win like that. Pessimism is a disease that rots you from the inside.

by Jayrome007 on Sep 30, 2009 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Also risk of penalty if held longer?

My concern with your contention is if he HAD held off the dude longer, it could possibly have resulted in a penalty, thereby negating the throw/catch? I guess I agree with the 4 second thought of vikingfuture8816…is enough time and not outside the norm?

We can second guess all plays and what-if forever, but bottom line is that we won, can improve, know we have a hard month coming (and season really, we will not just walk into a SB appearance!), and I am sure all team members are focused to that end…I guess emphasize the positive and matter of factly address any seemingly shortfalls may be the order of the day from my perspective…

The important thing about this whole game for me is that the team can now begin to believe the hype, the expectation we all have of them for this year…they have come from behind three weeks now and won, albeit against two teams not held in high esteem…and one up and comer (Niner)…they have the power…

I do think that they will also continue to get better as they go along this year, the mistakes will lessen, Harvin will get better, we have AD, and if Favre can survive, they should peak in the playoffs…allowing a deep run and perhaps our first appearance in a SB in a LONG time…A pleasant prospect (Hopefully the result of the appearance results in a W!!!!????)…

As a “not quite disinterested” (understatement!) Viking fan, this is my big picture view, and can see it happening…Lots of factors involved of course, but the potential is nearer this year than any year since the nineties for sure….Either way, I am sure all of us will be there throughout the year! I am sure that your thoughts are well intentioned as mine are to reach this “promised land” scenario! SKOL!

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by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 1, 2009 1:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agree on positive outlook and role of optimism. But constructive criticism can help the team get where it wants to get.

The criticism is not that he did not “hold” the block long enough. His block was fine. The DE took himself out of the play by running so far up field. If McKinnie had followed him, the DE could have cut inside him and gopt to Favre even faster.

The critique is that once the DE went past McKinnie up field, McKinnie just stopped. You can see it in his body language. He just stopped. Check out the other linemen. They did not. They were still lunging, trying to get to McKinnie’s man before he got to Favre. They were not close enough to get there, but they tried. If Favre had pumped but not thrown and tried to put a move on the DE to buy more time, the OTHER linemen might have been in position to help Favre out and block that DE. Not McKinnie. His job was over. He had quit for the day.

A teachable moment — here is how you can get better, Bryant….

TiggerSr

by TiggerSr on Oct 1, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK see your point here….never quit! It ain’t over ’til its over….agree on that for sure…and yes one of the hardest things in life is hearing “constructive criticism” (an oxymoron)….but a necessary “evil” to get better/survive…I have been on both ends of that concept/idea over my years LOL!

SKOL!

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by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 1, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1000

Clarity. Thanks :)

by DCPurple on Oct 4, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

as to the penalty

you can still stay in front of him and make him run around you. That buys another 2 seconds right there. It wasn’t poor play by any means…just not worthy of a pro bowl. I can’t help but think that eventually Loadholt will end up replacing McKinnie at some point in the next couple of years.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 1, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

too harsh

Mckinney did just fine..engaged with De twice and pushed him upfield….

by WVVikings on Oct 1, 2009 5:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Mckinney not the problem

The SF right tackle does a delayed stunt around the left side. The right side of the Vikes line leaves this guy to Chester Taylor to pick up. A big mismatch. McKinney did his job.

The entire Viking Line might just have to get use to how to continue blocking now that they have a QB who extends the play behind the pocket instead of running the ball upfield.
Protecting Farve isn’t always easy.

by lifelongvike on Oct 1, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You need to understand that a man the size of McKinnie gets tired very quickly.

He had been in the no huddle offense for 7 plays or so and was obviously tired. He made the block twice and Lawson ran around him. Do you really think that even a full rested McKinnie is going to catch Manny Lawson from behind? Manny is one of the faster linebackers in the league.

Not to mention the fact that it would have been a penalty if he had caught up to Manny.

by Bjorno on Oct 1, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, a penalty if he caught Manny from behind. He would have to hold him in order to stop him.

by Bjorno on Oct 1, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

At :20+, you see McKinnie just stop, hands drop, the play is done for him.

At :22-, you see he realizes the play is alive and takes a quicker step.

At :31, while Loadholt and someone else are celebrating w/ Favre, you see McKinnie in the background with his hands on his hips, not even celebrating.

Based on that footage, if he’s not celebrating after that amazing play, he’s either THAT friggin’ exhausted (which I’ll go with), or he’s not happy that the Vikes won.

Also, for those who’ve looked for dissension between Favre and TJ, TJ is right there with #4 at :35.

GO VIKES!!!!

by JasonAve6413 on Oct 1, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yea, it looks like Tjack was the 4th person to hug Brett after the pass after Loadholt, Hutch and Sully.

If you look at around 0:42, you will see Sage off in the distance.

by Bjorno on Oct 1, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good stuff

TiggerSr

by TiggerSr on Oct 1, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll buy that

Agree with Professor — he did the job, but could have done better

TiggerSr

by TiggerSr on Oct 1, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So McKinnie Was Tired...

Tired or not, you play until the whistle blows. We were taught that in High School and we were playing for free. I got my butt reamed once because I thought I was in the endzone and quit pushing. I was about 6" short.

On a normal pass play, McKinnie did enough. For the money he’s getting paid, he should be doing more.

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by BaldViking on Oct 3, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Enough excuses

So far this year, the Vikings ranked 9th in the NFL (lower is worse) for sacks allowed, with an average of 2.8/game. This doesn’t include late knock-downs that were unavoidable (e.g. no penalty assessed).

The line is actually performing marginally better this year, than last, and we’re still sucking hind-tit.

Last year, the Vikings ranked 7th in sacks allowed, with 43 total sacks, not including late knock-downs. This with a vaunted O-Line that included Birk, Hutch, & McKinney. Two Pro-Bowlers and we ranked 7th.

Maybe McKinney isn’t the problem. Maybe all the excuses people are making for what BaldVike pointed out, are valid, and maybe McKinney’s surrender before the play was over was a rare thing.

But if all those ‘maybes’ are correct, then where is the problem that has the Vikes on-track to another year of leaving our QB laying on the field, with a correspondingly higher chance of him getting injured? What’s the answer, if it isn’t any particular O-lineman?

by DCPurple on Oct 4, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs