Cowboys/Vikings: Research is Easy and Fun
As part of the media's continuing quest to convince the entire world that the Minnesota Vikings shouldn't even bother showing up this Sunday afternoon, Calvin Watkins from ESPNDallas.com attempts to build the case that the Beloved Purple are exactly the same football team as the team that the Cowboys just spent the past two weeks beating up on, the Philadelphia Eagles.
The Vikings boast two speed receivers, Percy Harvin and Sidney Rice, who combined for 16 touchdowns in the regular season. There's also tight end Visanthe Shiancoe and his 11 touchdowns. How could one forget running back Adrian Peterson, who is considered one of the best in the game at his position?
Then there's Brett Favre, a future Hall of Famer, who says he loves playing against the Cowboys.
You could substitute some of the Vikings' names with Eagles players. Move Harvin out and put in DeSean Jackson. Replace Rice with Jeremy Maclin. Shiancoe for Brent Celek. Peterson for Brian Westbrook.
Favre for Donovan McNabb.
Holy crap, really? Are you serious with this garbage?
For starters, the insinuation that Sidney Rice. . .who stands 6'4", weighs 205 pounds, and is hardly the definition of a "speed receiver". . .and Jeremy Maclin (6', 195) are interchangeable is a complete joke. They're not even remotely close to the same type of player. Rice has outstanding hands, amazing leaping ability, and great body control, and Maclin. . .well. . .does not. (Certainly not in comparison to Rice, in any case.)
Second of all, on what planet is 2009 Brian Westbrook on anywhere near the same level as Adrian Peterson? Westbrook missed half of his team's games this season, and barely had more yards rushing and receiving combined (455) than Peterson had in receptions alone (436). Not to mention 16 fewer touchdowns.
And Favre and McNabb being interchangeable? Well, I'll just let the numbers here speak for themselves.
Ummmmmmm, yeah. McNabb didn't play any sort of football on anything even close to the level that Favre played it this season. Favre had a higher QB rating, more completions, more attempts, more yards, more yards/game, more touchdowns, fewer interceptions. . .
But other than that, they're basically the same player, I suppose. I mean, when you put it that way and everything.
Seriously, Mr. Watkins, it's all well and good to have confidence in your team and everything. Heck, if I were you, I'd be confident in the Cowboys' chances on Sunday, too. But it truly wouldn't kill you to spend ten. . .maybe even fifteen seconds of your life doing some actual research on the team Dallas will be facing this weekend.
The Cowboys aren't playing the Eagles this weekend. They're playing a team that's better.
The Cowboys aren't playing in the comfort of the JerryDome this weekend. They'll be playing in an environment that isn't exactly Dallas-friendly.
The Cowboys aren't going to be seeing a rushing offense led by a rookie. They'll be seeing the best 1-2 running back combination outside of Charlotte, NC.
The Cowboys aren't going to be victimizing Donovan McNabb and his happy feet. They'll be getting a guy that might be having the best season of his career. . .which is amazing, seeing that he was pretty good before this year, too.
The Cowboys won't be seeing an offense with limited weaponry. They'll be taking on the second offense in NFL history to have six different players catch 40 passes or more in a season. (Oh, and did I mention the running game is pretty good, too?)
Hey, if the Cowboys show up in Minneapolis as overconfident as their media seems to be and assume that they can win on Sunday simply by showing up and tossing their helmets out on the field, that's perfectly fine by me. I'd like to see that, actually.
But, I've said it before and I'll say it again. . .the Minnesota Vikings didn't go 12-4 (and 8-0 at home) in 2009 by accident. They did it because they're a pretty damn good football team. And anyone that's expecting the Dallas Cowboys to just roll through Minneapolis without a hitch is, more than likely, going to be in for a rude awakening.
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it seems you did as little research on Dallas and Philly as it appears Watkins did of you. Watch one single player interview and you will know exactly where the players’ heads are at.
But let’s go through this:
How Dallas-friendly was New Orleans when Dallas marched in their home and ended their quest for a perfect season?
Mcnabb is regarded as one of the better QB’s in the league at avoiding the rush, thanks to his “happy feat.” He has even torched the Cowboys in the past with his elusiveness, but right now the Cowboys pass rush is peaking and it’d be pretty silly to dismiss it.
Please explain how the Eagles offense has limited weaponry.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
It would appear
that the Viking nation is getting a little upset about not being the pretty favorites anymore. Oh by the way… the Vikings may not have gone 12-4 by accident, but hail marys and missed 30 yd field goals are about as close as it gets
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
As opposed to
Going to Green Bay and managing to score a whopping 7 points. . .in garbage time, no less. . .against a defense that the Vikings destroyed twice this season and that was last seen getting half a hundred dropped on them by the Cardinals?
Or going to Arrowhead and getting locked in an epic battle with the powerhouse Kansas City Chiefs? Or that epic 7-6 battle against the beastly Washington Redskins?
Seriously, you guys talk pretty big for a team that, a month ago, was going to fire the coach, fire the offensive coordinator, fire the defensive coordinator, blow up the entire roster and start over. Hopefully, this weekend will turn the conversation back in that direction.
It appears that Cowboys fans are getting upset that we’re not all quaking in fear of their team like we (apparently) should be. The Cowboys look great against one-dimensional offenses and middling defenses. Shame for them that Minnesota’s offense isn’t one-dimensional and their defense is anything but “middling.”
Maybe they can petition the NFL to let them play the Eagles again this weekend.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 14, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
lol dont get so worked up my friend
I’m sorry Dallas wasn’t at their peak performance in October. You listen too much to what you hear on ESPN. No where in my post did I say a word about the Vikings, because I don’t try to pretend like I know about them.
You have a misguided opinion if you think the Saints are a one-dimensional offense.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
They pretty much are
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
Not true
They are one of only 2 teams to have a top 10 rushing and passing YPG offense.
Believe
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
The Saints aren't a one dimentsional offence
They are however a one dimensional team, as their defence is suspect at best. So we can say that you’ve never played anyone quite as well set up as Minnesota.
You can say that
though I would attest that NO, San Diego and Philly are all on the level of Minnesota.
Believe
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2010 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
Though admittedly only 4 Minnesota games.
Believe
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with that.
I think we’re a better all around team than Philly is.
Young Wiz you know we're gonna get worked up...
… if you weren’t thinking that you’re really naive? We know the Vikings & we are kindly telling you that Calvin Watkins from ESPNDallas.com has nothing to support many of his comparisons.
The Vikings are not the Eagles! I’m still waiting for you to do a better job than your friend Calvin in proving that the Vikings are the Eagles
who said i agreed with Calvin?
and there’s nothing “kind” about this article. He called Calvin’s work garbage lol I don’t really think the Vikings are that similar to the Eagles other than they both have big play threats, but at this point everyone in the league has big play threats.
Vikant… to take from the title of this column: according to ESPN’s stats, the Saints had the 6th overall rushing offense. hmm.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
You should know by now that Stats are pretty meaningless
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
but if you want go that route
they are pretty much in the bottom pit of every defensive statistic catagory
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
Excuse me, Wiz. To quote you
“No where in my post did I say a word about the Vikings,”
So these comments below, that you posted 2 hrs earlier are obviously figments of everyone’s imagination. Including your own?
“It would appear that the Viking nation is getting a little upset about not being the pretty favorites anymore. Oh by the way… the Vikings may not have gone 12-4 by accident, but hail marys and missed 30 yd field goals are about as close as it gets”
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
No where in my post did I say a word about the Vikings, because I don’t try to pretend like I know about them.
Um, yes, you did. And it wasn’t very nice either.
the Vikings may not have gone 12-4 by accident, but hail marys and missed 30 yd field goals are about as close as it gets
I was talking about my original post
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
wait gonzo
i didnt even realize you were the one that wrote this. classy. anyway..
why are you bringing up games from the middle of the season? why dont we bring up the end up the season, which has a lot more bearing on the upcoming games? What about your back to back losses to, as you say, the powerhouses of the Panthers and the Bears? That was 2 weeks ago! So you trash on the 8-8 Giants who had obviously given up on the season and you talk yourselves into thinking you’re back in top form?
Instead of complaining about what other writers are saying why don’t you actually do some research on Dallas and give your fans a breakdown of the things they are good and bad at so Viking nation can have a little idea of who Dallas is before the game, because they obviously don’t know anything about us other than Trent Dilfer picked us to win, and… that’s about it.
You guys had the week off, and seeing how things have gone the last few years (and us Cowboys fans know from experience), the week off can hurt you as well. It may help to give some rest to some banged up players, but in the meantime the Cowboys have continued to gain momentum. I came over this website in hopes that you’d be writing things about the game, but unfortunately I was wrong. Not sure if you saw, but Mcnabb had an odd display walking out before the game. It was a nervous mood as it seemed, and that’s what I take from this article. Seems like you are trying to talk some confidence in yourself and your fans. Interesting.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
nervous move***
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
A lot of people think the season is 16 games.
However, it seems as if quite a few Cowboys fans are only interested in a third of that. I’m not exactly sure how that works.
Playoff Momentum
The Packers had all sorts of Playoff Momentum, too.
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 15, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
We don't need any confidence Young Wiz
All the hype and what happened last week or the previous month doesn’t mean anything. The Cowboys have been playing well as of late, well so was Green Bay. If you guys come in & knock us off , kudo’s to you. We are not the Eagles or the Saint’s so beating them has no bearing on us. We beat some good teams ourselves, & we lost a few too. Our guys will be ready. If I were you I would be more worried about Romo. He will be facing a pretty good pass rush & a very loud crowd. If he starts getting nervous a couple of sacks by Ware won’t overcome a couple of picks by Romo.
See, here's the thing
Since I missed this the first time. . .
“Why are you bringing up games from the middle of the season?” I don’t know. . .but when I pointed out that the Vikings were 8-0 at home, you brought up a game from Week 3 and a game from Week 6 in a weak-ass attempt to point out that that was some sort of fluke.
But since those games apparently don’t count. . .
In the five games that Minnesota has played at home since their bye in Week 9, they’ve outscored their opponents 172-46. They haven’t given up more than 10 points in a game at the Metrodome since Week 6.
Recent enough?
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 15, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Opponents?
Detroit, Seattle, Chicago, Cincinatti, NY Giants JV squad.
by DTown's Finest on Jan 15, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
You only get to play
Who the NFL puts in front of you. This isn’t college football.
We also beat the Packers at home. . .a team that, if you need to be reminded again, humiliated the Cowboys. We beat them on the road, too (by more than we beat them by at home, no less).
You guys like to hang your hat on beating the Saints. . .as has already been pointed out, the Tampa Bay Bucs (one of the worst teams in the league) beat the Saints, too. In New Orleans, even.
If we want to play that, you guys also lost to the Giants. . .twice. . .and were locked in a life-and-death struggle with an awful Kansas City team and an awful Washington team.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 15, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
i think its funny how you.... the Daily Norsman's moderator
is involved in these childish rants.
Calling someone’s post a “weak ass attempt” wouldnt fly at BTB. Insulting the very people that bring traffic to your beloved blog is weak…
Im glad Grizz is our main guy. Cause this is just too much. I havent ever seen him go at it with other fans like you do here.
by ProudBoyzLifer on Jan 15, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Pointing out statistics that do not suit you, does not constitute a rant.
It’s debating a point. Something you claim is the reason you’re here. Apparently your claim’s are disingenuous.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
i'm gonna just put a guess out there that you have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with bringing traffic to the site.....
unless you went away…. traffic would dramatically improve.
I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.
by IABerserker1 on Jan 15, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
So are you saying
That I should compliment you guys for coming over here and ignorantly running off at the mouth about the Vikings?
Then again, I don’t think you have a lot to do with site traffic. Largely because, come about 3 pm Central on Sunday, you won’t have a hell of a lot to say to anyone that comes here on a regular basis.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 15, 2010 11:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
nope
im saying that if you were the least bit confident in your own work that you wouldnt need to banter back and forth with opposing fans about your blogs.
by ProudBoyzLifer on Jan 16, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think that Gonzo's confidence in his writing has...
anything to do with his banter, but I do think that the lack of confidence and smell of fear comes from your side of the fence. Why else do you Cowboy fans feel the need to come over here in droves claiming to be superior in all things?
Every team you beat was a glorious victory and your losses were just a fluke. Our close wins we either got lucky, or the other team laid down. Even when we point out the teams we beat that you lost to, the Cowboy fans say that doesn’t count, it was an entirely different scenario. You show us your cherry-picked statistical evidence to make your point, it’s written in stone. We use statistics it’s either, stats don’t matter or they are just ignored.
On top of that, all your"my blog is better than your blog" chanting sounds like sixth grade play ground material to me. If your blog is so superior, why do you all feel such a great desire to hang around here?
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
You're right
If this was BTB, you’d be banned.
But some sites aren’t dictatorships and allow free speech, even if they are misguided.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Statistically
You play who you play. It is just that you are stipulating this argument on the fact that Minnesota has not allowed more than ten points at home since Week 6 but each of those offensive was ranked in the bottom 20 of the league.
Dallas’s defense has held top scoring offenses about a touchdown under their average for a while now.
As for comparing games, any Dallas fan can tell you that something happened within this team in the middle of December. Their four game winning streak has been very impressive and they haven’t trailed in any of the games. But beating playoff teams like New Orleans and Philly is a lot better than losing to also rans like Carolina and Chicago late. Against the only other NFC playoff opponent that the Vikings played late, Arizona handed them their hat.
by DTown's Finest on Jan 15, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
If as you say
something happened to the Cowboys in the middle of December, I say something happened to the Vikings in the middle of a cold night in Chicago. They have played lights out since halftime of the Bears game. I think the Boys will get to see some of that on Sunday.
Something happened to the Vikings in AZ, too...
They saw a friend and teammate get seriously injured.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 15, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
but...
that was waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in week 11.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 16, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
And therefore does not count.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
The bottom line...
Wins are wins, you can take cheap shots about why we would should have lost etc…
but are you undefeated at home? No!
Has Romo ever shown off a Favre to Greg Lewis game winning type of throw? No!
How many playoff games has Romo won? 1!
Have the Cowboys faced a RB like Peterson in the last 4 weeks? No!
Have the Vikings played & beaten “RED HOT” teams in the Metrodome? Yes!
C’mon man, please explain with good reasoning how the Eagles are just as talented as the Vikings? Please
my comments had nothing to do with the Eagles
I was just pointing out it’s pretty easy to tell who knows what they are talking about when it comes to the NFC East and whoever wrote this apparently doesn’t watch too much of the division.
"I’m ready to go here, all right? It’s like R. Kelly at recess."
"You will come back stronger then ever. Like Lance Armstrong. But with two balls."
-Ari Gold
Once again, Wiz. To quote you.
“my comments had nothing to do with the Eagles”
Three hours earlier you said, and I quote.
“Mcnabb is regarded as one of the better QB’s in the league at avoiding the rush, thanks to his "happy feat." He has even torched the Cowboys in the past with his elusiveness, but right now the Cowboys pass rush is peaking and it’d be pretty silly to dismiss it. Please explain how the Eagles offense has limited weaponry.”
I think it’s clear to every fan of not only the Vikings, but everyone else as well, Which orifice does your talking for you.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
They had the second best record against non-division opponents. So what is great about it is that it beats the teams that it plays against most of the time.
by DTown's Finest on Jan 15, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Don't know about that, it paralleled NFC North in some ways
Dallas == Vikings
Philly == Packers
Giants == Bears
DC == Lions
It wasn't a guess, it is a statistcal fact
Inter-Division Records
AFC South 24- 12
NFC East 22- 16
by DTown's Finest on Jan 15, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
If you think the NFC East isn't a good division
I don’t know how to say it less like a dick then maybe watch a few more NFC East games.
NFC East has been one of the toughest divisions over the last few years, although I’ll admit the NFC North has potential to overtake the NFC East in the next few years depending on some moves.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
how many playoff games
has Farve won in Purple?
O!!!!!
by ProudBoyzLifer on Jan 15, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
.....
….. did anyone else find this completely asinine? it’s his first season with the vikes, and he doesn’t have his first playoff game with them until tomorrow. that would’ve been better if it had been something relevant.
"And my tiny little went to France."
Come on now,
cut him some slack. I bet he worked really hard on that one. It did take him five days to come up with it.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
but... but....
i don’t wanna! i mean, seriously, if you’re gonna throw something into the mix, at least make sure it’s not something that any observant 6-year-old (like, say, my little brother) can, and already has, used their impressive intellect to deduce
"You are freaking out. Man."
Do you need a time out, mister.
1…2…21/2…23/4…
Welcome to the DN.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
dude, i can't sit still in a corner
seeing as i still have a mild case of adhd. in fact i keep twiddling my fingers and tapping my feet as i type.
and thanks!
"You are freaking out. Man."
Now there ya go Gonzo, statistics only matter when...
“A light will shine down from somewhere. It will light upon those statistics and you will have an epiphany. And you will say to yourself, those statistics support the Cowboys. And then you may use them.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
The Play that beat the Niners was not a Hail Mary
In the Hail Mary, you send multiple receivers into the end zone, bringing multiple defenders after them, and throw a jump ball. If you watch the film of the play against San Fran, only Greg Lewis goes into the end zone. The other receivers all run short sideline routes, which must be defended because there is time for two plays left. The defender on Lewis looks back for the ball, which has not yet been thrown, and Favre then pump fakes to the left side followed by arm motion like he’s going left when he does throw toward the right. This gives Lewis the chance to break behind the defender unseen to the right along the end line. Favre throws the ball to the end line where only his man can get any play on it. If the pass is not cauught, there are still two seconds on the clock for a real Hail Mary.
As for the missed field goal by the Ravens, their kicker at that time had previously played for the Vikings in the previous preseason, so they had good intel on him. Childress was miked up for that game. The film shows Childress asking for the kickers range as the Ravens go on offense, then telling his defense where they had to hold the Ravens. Before the kick, Childress tells Peterson that this is where we win the football game.
Later, the Ravens fired their kicker. I guess they should have done more research.
There is luck involved in every football game, but luck favors the prepared.
The Cowboys would do well to be prepared. The sound level at the Metrodome is worse than at the Superdome, and the more we hear it that isn’t, the louder it will be.
by Elgar on Jan 15, 2010 1:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Elgar +100!!!!
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Good job
I remember writing almost the exact same post debunking the “hail mary” interpretation back when it happened.
Give it up though. There will always be a class of uninformed football fans who don’t know what football terms really mean, and will apply them completely incorrectly. That’s just the way everything in life is, there are ignoramuses who think they are qualified geniuses in every arean of public discourse.
It appears....
But going 11-5 while barely beating the Redskins and Chiefs while losing twice to a Giants team we destroyed two sundays ago is more impressive, right? Get off your win against the Saints, they had almost lost for 3 weeks in a row and played terrible down the stretch, maybe the Saints aren’t who we thought they were? And we aren’t upset about being the “pretty” favorite anymore, it’s about hearing how everyone on your team are going to be Hall of Famers and roll over us at home. It’s okay though, if you want to crown um, crown um! But one thing the Vikings won’t do is let you off the hook……Yes i did insert three Denny Green phrases in my post.
i already said that on another post
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
I don’t think it is the Giants game that causes some concern for the Vikings as much as it is the Panthers, Bears games on National TV. The team I think the Cowboys actually compare to are the Panthers, just with more talent at each position.
QB Moore. Very poor man’s Romo. Did he have any trouble finding open recievers?
RB Stewart. Without Wiiliams. Jones, Barber, Choice present a unique challenge.
WR Smith, Mushin. Austin, Williams and Crayton can get separation against the weak Vikes secondary. This is the biggest matchup advantage for either side in the game.
TE King, Barnridge ran all over the Vikings. Watch out for 82.
Defensively, Ware is better than Peppers and does not have a talent nearly of the level of Spencer next to him.
If I was a Vikes fan, this is what would worry me.
I do think that at RB, Slot reciever the Vikings have an advantage. At TE, OL, LB, CB, S the Cowboys have a leg up.
by DTown's Finest on Jan 15, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
You don't even know what a hail mary play is
Is Wiz short for wizard, because the definition of ‘hail mary’ is taught in wizardy 101.
Actually
I’m enjoying it. Not sure we ever really were strong favorites for anything at any point in the season. Closest I think we came to that was going into Tempe, and look how that turned out. By the time Saints came back to earth, we’d already started our mini-slide.
Looks like being the hot & favorite team didn’t do Packers any favors when they went into Tempe either.
So, in that vein … Go Cowboys! ;) ;) ;)
Pack was riding a huge one game winning streak.
Cannot compare that to the Cowboys 4 game streak.
by DTown's Finest on Jan 15, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
what in the devil
are you talking about? the cowboys had a THREE game streak going into the postseason.
"And my tiny little went to France."
You Dallas fans are about as bad as Packer fans that spam these boards
Seriously, you guys talk heaps of trash but have nothing to say. You’re team looked good last 4 games they have played. It happens. Congrats, you’re trendy. Sure, the Vikings have at times this season not looked that good. But they have also looked freaking awesome at times as well. Your entire arguments are based on focusing on our worst moments of the season. Your team has them too.
Vikings are 10-0 on turf with an 18 point average margin of victory. Included in their late season slump were two games in which they absolutely murdered respectable teams at home, the Bengals who won their division and the Giants who beat Dallas easily twice. And when I say murdered I mean Favre wasn’t playing midway through the 3rd quarter.
All of your arguments ignore the possibility that the Eagles just don’t match up against the Cowboys. Your defeat over New Orleans isn’t that impressive considering they were also beat by the Bucs and almost by the Redskins in the same time frame. And the Redskins just aren’t very good quite frankly.
Vikings are favored by 3. You are the under dogs no matter what the folks at ESPN tell you.
Do your research.
The Giants ‘easily’ beat the Cowboys twice? How can you possibly justify that statement?
And i’m not so sure that the Giants on week 17 were a ‘respectable’ team. i’ll give you the Bengals.
I think that this game is a toss-up. You have Minnesota’s home field advantage, balanced attack (Dallas has to respect the run this time) and tall receivers, plus the matchup of Jared Allen vs. Flozell Adams. Dallas has the overall advantage in the passing game vs. an average secondary, and exploitable matchups vs. the OT’s.
Why do you insist on these false arguments?
Dallas has the overall advantage in the passing game vs. an average secondary, and exploitable matchups vs. the OT’s.
If you logic holds, the Cowboys have no shot at winning. The meme: ‘how dominate a pass rush and front seven Dallas has’, is tiring. On the season, the Vikings have sacked, hit and hurried opposing qb’s to a greater degree than the Cowboys; and are ranked ahead of them in pass defense (19th and 20th respectively). But you’d have us believe, despite the statiscal evidence to the contrary, that Favre will not have success, but Romo will (again ignoring their respective statistical acheivements to this point)?
the difference..
is that the Dallas OL is better at pass protecting off of the edges, and Romo is more mobile that Farve at this stage in his career.
I’m not so intersted in the overall rankings of the secondaries in yards allowed so much as in the secondaries that are going to actualy show up. With Winfield hobbled, there is a vulneaability, especially given the size disadvantage he has vs. Miles Austin and Roy Williams. Add that to the Vikings’ well-documented struggles agaisnt TE’s and you have a Dallas advantage, in this particular phase of the game
16 of your sacks came against the Packers
when they were still trying to figure out their O-line. You only had 32 sacks in the other 14 games which is basically average. You try to hang your hat on those 48 sacks, but it’s a paper tiger, buddy.
"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends."
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 15, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
The Giants beat the Cowboys easily?
Giants won the first game on a last second FG. You beat the Giants who had already given up on the season. You get no props for beating them. The Packers had shown some weakness in their game against the Steelers when they gave up 500 yards of offense. The Cowboys all season have held teams down scoring-wise. And even more so in the last 5 games. I’m even talking back to when the Cowboys held the Chargers to 20 points, their lowest output this year. The spread is 2.5, you get 3 points because you are at home. But Vegas straight up thinks the Cowboys are the better team. You got lucky with 2 last second wins in my opinion. You really should be 10-6.
"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends."
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 15, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
I have learned something new this week, I'll admit that.
If a Cowboy fan tells you how “things are”. You simply look up what he left out. In the second game against the Giants, the Giants took the lead for good late in the second quarter. They extended that lead to 31 to 17 in the fourth, That lead held up until the Giants gave up a garbage TD with 58 seconds left in the game. That being the more recent game of the two and on the road, where the Cowboys will be on Sunday. Logically that would be the more relevant of the two games.
As for your Chargers game, it’s really swell that you held them to a mere 20 points. Unfortunately your unstoppable offense only scored 17
You could just as easily be 9-7 as we could be 10-6 you needed overtime for KC and you were behind Washington until 2:41 left in the game.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
With the KC game
They scored late to tie the game to send it into overtime. The right team won. The Cowboys dominated the Redskins game statistically. You got a lucky pass at the end of the game against the Niners and against Baltimore they missed a chip shot FG. I think our 11-5 is much more legit than your 12-4 record.
"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends."
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 15, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
You can't rationally have it both ways,
Either the Cowboys and the Vikings got lucky, or statistically both earned it.

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
Cowboys actually led Giants 17-14 after halftime on a Roy Williams TD.
Just setting the record straight.
by DTown's Finest on Jan 16, 2010 1:15 AM CST up reply actions
Well, you Dallas fans are the experts.

BTW, you still can’t have it both ways.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
My point is you guys said
the Cowboys were handled easily by the Giants. This is not true.
"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends."
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 16, 2010 7:13 AM CST up reply actions
So like Dtown,
You’re trying to tell me that in the second game, you didn’t trail the entire second half? You’re also trying to tell me you were not down by 15 until you got a “lucky” touchdown with under a minute left?
BTW, You will notice I have responded to both your points. I have also noticed that both of you are ducking mine about the legitimacy of our records. So I can only conclude that I have proven my point on that one.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
yeah....
but you also seem to forget the steelers game where, if it hadn’t been for a ridiculously inept ref calling tripping, we would have won (even steelers fans have admitted that). you also seem to forget that we lost our best linebacker, and damn near the heart of our defense, in our loss to the cardinals, which shook us to the core for the rest of the game. following by your logic where we got “lucky” and should’ve been 10-6, if it hadn’t been for the steelers and cards getting “lucky,” that still would’ve been another 2 wins chalked up for us. and also, what does the steelers putting up over 500 yards on the packers have to do anything? if anything, it hurts your argument. the reason being that the steelers didn’t even make the playoffs and were able to do that to the packers, whereas the cowboys did make it to the playoffs and weren’t able to exploit the “weakness” of the packers defense.
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As a Green Bay fan.....
i agree with Gonzo’s take that it is a very very lazy comparasion. Probally could make a somewhat similar argumant for jackson-Harvin, but Harvin is much more physical and can’t really be taken out of the game with physical DBS. (I will add that Jackson is alot more dangerous, this year at least, in big plays offenisvely and the cowboys did a masterful job neutralizing it). But there is no comparison for Sidney Rice. He is one of the rare players that is a threat on any play. Play good cover d and he still can out jump any corner/saftey in the league. Rice and favre have hit on more big plays this year than almost any tandem (and i say this with sadness). I do think the cowboys match up better with the Vikings than any other team. I see both teams running games being non existent (I think both teams will play great run D), but i also think Chester Taylor and Felix Jones each make some crucial plays in the passing game. I think it is such an evenly matched game. But in the end I think Percy harvin has a few big returns giving short fields to the Vikings offense. I think this will be the dfference as I see the Vikings winning by 4.
As a reasonable and realistic Cowboys fan, Even I...
Can see that this is a pretty ridiculous comparison, between Favre and McNabb. Favre is a great decision making QB, whereas McNabb has not been so.
I think Shiancoe and Celek are comparable level tight ends. Maclin is not as athletic and able to go up and grab a ball as Rice…Rice will match up much better against us (Likely Newman) I do think you will see Harvin against Mike Jenkins, and I do think you will see why we are high on Jenkins.
I agree with the above post that McNabb is hard to sack, and we have done well at putting him on the turf. He’s big, and not 40. Additionally, yeah, the Eagles definitely are not deficient of weapons. We should know, we’re going to have to face these young playmakers for years.
I do think that AP is certainly a much better back at this point in time than the oft-injured Westbrook (or McCoy), and he will test our front seven’s ability to set the edge and stay home for the cutback. Chester Taylor actually scares me a lot on the screen/flare. However, we can match you guys player for player in the running game, our backs are strong, fast, and unlike AP, are not putting the ball on the ground.
This game will come down to who protects their QB better. If we get 4-5+ sacks on Favre, I really like our chances. If not, he’ll likely eat us alive with the slant, skinny post, and just throwing it up and letting Rice sky and go get it.
I’m obviously biased…but my bet is on Ware, Rat, and Spencer getting the best of Loadholt , Sullivan, and McKinnie…(Ware just made pro-bowler Jason Peters look like a chump).
Either way, best of luck and sustained health this weekend. I respect your organization a good deal, but I still hope we pound you mercilessly. And, to Grime, I haven’t read your post yet, but, yes, some Cowboys fans suck, as do some fans of every team. I happen to be pretty awesome, thanks for asking.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Good post...
But I thought I read that Scandrick would be on Harvin because he is in the slot most of the time? Leaving either Jenkins or Newman on Berrian?
Yes...
Scandrick is in the slot and would conceivably get the most looks w/ Harvin, you’re right. They did say that they were going to show some different things this week, and I’d be most comfortable using Jenkins to limit his big play making potential, and trust the safeties to shut down the deep ball to Berrian….Percy can and will burn Scandrick, unfortunately for us…
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Thank you!
Pet hate I have about sports is myopic fandom – it makes any discussions rather tedious, so thanks for giving an interesting POV.
My concern for this game would be our line against the three you mentioned. Not simply because of talent, but because of scheme. The Cardinals schemed well against us and Wade Phillips is no slouch at play-calling.
On the flip-side though, if Childress doesn’t keep setting up in max-protection, then sending Berrian, Harvin, Rice and Shiancoe out on routes isn’t going to be easy for any D to cover so that might hold-off the pass rush. I think our wideouts offer a much more varied threat than the Eagles ones who seem to only offer deep threats which the Dallas D covered brilliantly.
Something about the New Orleans game though – the Saints had their bye in week 4 or 5 and were quite banged up by the time the Cowboys played them. Our D, having lost Henderson and with a half-fit Winfield, might not be what they were for the first part of the season. This again will come down to scheme – can we scheme effectively to make up for the lesser talents playing? If we were fully fit, I’d say that looking at our games against Green Bay, we’d be able to cope with the Cowboys Offence since I think Rodgers, Jennings, Driver and the rest are probably better (not by much, but better none the less). In our current state, I’m not so confident.
[and if you’re worried about the Eagles over the next few years, don’t look at the Packers! They’re a few playmakers short on D and might need some O-line help, but that team is young and potentially deeply scary… So glad we have Detroit and Chicago to help our win-loss record relative to the rest of the conference!]
This game might well come down to special teams – will the Cowboys kick it to Harvin? Will Suisham lay the ghosts of that disastrous Redskins game behind him? Roll on Sunday…
by ViolentSilence on Jan 15, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Haha wow, those are some horrible comparison’s and really evaluations of your teams two players.
McNabb= Favre…? Haha not so much. More like Favre > McNabb.
Westbrook isn’t at all comparable to Peterson.
Rice isn’t a “speed” WR. In fact, he is probably the definition of a possession WR.
Haha just a really poorly written section by Watkins. Sounds like he thinks this weeks game will play out much like the Philly-Dallas game on Wildcard weekend, which is pretty silly..
+1
will not be easy for either team. I think less than 7 points, which scares me as our kicker is iffy at best.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Now that you mention it
I’m surprised that Watkins didn’t say that Shaun Suisham and Ryan Longwell are basically the same guy, too.
Really, outside of the fact that Longwell is one of the better kickers in the NFL and absolutely clutch and Suisham is. . .well, on his second team this year and got cut because he missed a FG from XP distance that would have allowed the Redskins to beat the Saints. . .they’re pretty much the same guy.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 14, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Going along with his comparison
wouldnt he say Longwell and Akers are similar? He wasnt comparing the Cowboys to the Vikings.
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by Michael Cave on Jan 14, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Either way it wouldnt be a match
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
I like these ‘hahas’
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 14, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
That comparrison is ridiculous.
And, yes the Cowboys are going to have a much harder time defeating the Vikings than they had in putting up 20+ point victories against the Eagles. The Eagles are a good team, but the Vikings are better as the article demonstrates. I expect a tight game, and hopefully the Cowboys are not taking the Vikings as lightly as are the media or this game could be real ugly.
Believe
No way the players are taking this lightly. This is all part of the media dog and pony show.
This game is going to be a lot closer than the media spouts..I hate it when they ramp us up like that. We’ve been below radar almost all year and all the sudden we’re the juggernaut. Please. Go find out what’s wrong with New England and leave us alone ESPN.
Sorry
We had our turn as the BSPN outhouse (where they go to sit forever and take a crap when they can’t think of anything more useful to say) in the preseason, during Favreggedon. And Patriots got it in the first few weeks during The Return of Brady.
Your turn to carry the load now ;)
I know
The pros act like it doesn’t matter what the media or anyone says about them, but c’mon this HAS to ramp our guys up right?! Is it Sunday yet?
Research?! Research?!
and I quote….
“Watch one single player interview and you will know exactly where the players’ heads are at.”
Sure, like that bone-head DB of yours, safety Gerald Sensabaugh, said "We’d have to beat ourselves to lose. The way we’re playing right now, I don’t think we can be beat.’’
Yep. Just listen to those humble Cowgirl players.
Hubris.
Listen to Favre
Listen to Williams. Each team thinks they will win. Every player on each team thinks they will win. Each team has confidence. You could invoke greek Hubris for either team. Just hopefully Favre doesnt have his final moment of aristea (sp?) as a QB.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 14, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
"hamartia"
We all know that art is not the truth, art is a lie that makes us realize the truth.--Picasso
Ahhh
nicomachean ethics. Are you saying this applies to me or to the cowboys?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 14, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
You know Favre's comment
was in response to someone asking him to comment on next year, right? He was basically only saying “I’m just thinking about this year right now, and my plan for the next month, if it works out, is to just keep thinking about this year.” He was basically saying, why are we even talking about this while we’re still playing?
Sure, like that bone-head DB of yours, safety Gerald Sensabaugh, said "We’d have to beat ourselves to lose. The way we’re playing right now, I don’t think we can be beat.’’
The media has definitely blown things out of proportion with their predictions but I don’t think it’s out of line for a player to think his team is going to win.
I just saw a Favre interview on the news the other day, and he said he thinks the Vikings will win as well.
by packallday555 on Jan 14, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
If the Cowboys win...
I cannot even imagine the crazy Cowboy love fest that will follow! Another reason why I really hope the Vikings win.
Haha oh gosh! It’s hard to imagine it getting any crazier then it already is now!
On the flip side, if you guys beat them the hype will be crazy too. Being a Packer fan living in MN, I’m hoping you guys lose haha. I’m not sure I would be able to deal with my Vikings friends.
by packallday555 on Jan 14, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I was just a kid when the rivalry with Dallas was big in the 90s’, and obviously wasn’t born back in the earlier half of the 1900s’. Living in MN also helps make the Packers biggest rival be the Vikings in my eyes just because a lot of the people I know are Vikings fans.
So believe it or not, rooting for the Vikings would be the lowest low for me!
by packallday555 on Jan 14, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
i know what you mean
I’m a Vikings fan living in Texas. Co-workers, neighbors, best friend, and father-in-law are all cowboy fans.
by koooolaid1087 on Jan 15, 2010 12:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Are you insane?
I don’t ask because I disagree with anything you’ve said so far. You seem to post some pretty good stuff.
I ask because of all the unnecessary laughter. Maybe Im just missing the joke, but all the "haha"s make you sound bats**t crazy.

At least it won't be Viking hate...
If the Cowboys win, at least their massive media attention will focus solely on their greatness and not on our ineptitude. Unlike say the Bengals who are being ripped mercilously for not deserving a playoff spot and being vastly overrated.
For me, wins and losses are all about gaining respect. Once that is acquired, you can bow out whenever you wish and enjoy the offseason because the reality is there is only one winner at the end. Everyone else either has something good to look forward to next season (Packers) or a horrible aching from embarrassment that won’t go away so easily (Eagles).
How is that any different from Farve's guarentee
or that of Allen?
Believe
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
None at all
and it was a poor comparison. Being confident in yourself and your team is a good thing and necessary for any player to have. Hell I wish Ocho Cinco was still playing he’s a hoot.
Brett Favre DIDN'T
guarantee a win. He said he would be shocked if they didn’t win. There is a difference. And for some of the posts above… Offense, Defense… NOT Offence, Defence.
Small difference
And please don’t critique my spelling. I speak and write in English, not American English. Offence is correct.
Believe
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
yup
this man is from Australia and bleeds blue and silver.
Dont think Minn fans live anywhere outside of the twin cities area.
by ProudBoyzLifer on Jan 16, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
And ProudBoy,
try reading the names of our posters.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
lol.
vikingfanfromafar is in Dubai. I am in AZ, there is TEXAS, NM, Cali, East Coast, UK…
I could go on… but I think you get my point.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 16, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Of course we don't....
I don’t know another 6 British born and London based people who support the Vikings….
And I don’t have a shirt that reads “Peopleaters” #73 rather than a normal replica…
Cowboys might have more widespread support, but so does every historically successful team. I meet a hell of a lot more Chelsea FC fans these days than I did growing up or even when I lived 20 minutes walk away from Stamford Bridge… I wouldn’t count on that support lasting through a few years in the doldrums
by ViolentSilence on Jan 17, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
No of course you don't.
All ArizonaVikingFan needed to do to disprove ProudBoyzLifer’s statement would have been to post his name.
But I have noticed with some of you guys that a railroad spike through the skull would be considered subtle.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
Lol, I get it.
My nephew attended an English speaking school in China for two years and one of the teachers was Australian. He told her his homework was done, she responded with “your meat is done, your homework is completed”.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
That's confidence
and if you think that’s hubris, what is it when Jared Allen says they’re gonna “kick butt”? (And I like Jared, he’s a good Texas boy.)
"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends."
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 15, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Every time I think of Sunday
I have butterflies in my stomach and my adrenalin starts pumping. WILL SUNDAY EVER COME? My daughter is afraid I am going to have a heart attack. She might be right.
by just another viking on Jan 14, 2010 9:42 PM CST reply actions
My heartattack will probably come on Sunday night from excess drinking should the Vikings lose. And even if I survive, I’m not anticipating Monday morning being all that fun either.
At Least....
Monday is MLK day, so if you’re like me and lots of others you may get the day off to either recover from:
A) Excessive Drinking and Partying due to a Viking Win
B) Excessive Drinking and Whining due to a Viking Loss
Either way, I’m not getting up til noon. I hope it’s a happy headache
Yes, Sunday
All this talk and speculation means nothing. Sunday’s performance will.
We all know that art is not the truth, art is a lie that makes us realize the truth.--Picasso
Their Media also like this comparison...
They’re under the belief that the Vikings play the same version of the the WC offense as the Eagles being that Childress is an Andy Reid protege (what insight). What’s funny is that they’ve gone as far to add a couple caveats. Wait, wait, wait…that the Vikings have a much more balanced approach and Childress has at times sacrificed the passing game in an attempt to force the run; and that they don’t rely on the deep ball as the Eagles do. So, basically they both run a similar offense with completely different talent and approach.
The Saints were also 13-0 (that includes home and away)
And “were” is the operative word.
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lol numbers only matter if it compliments a Vikings fans argument
read up top, someone tried to tell me the Saints were a one dimensional offense. kinda funny.
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Yeah you are kinda a funny
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
You guys lost 3 of your last 5
With your one win coming against a Giants team that was already on vacation. I think a lot of the media love for Dallas stems from the fact that they’re blazing and the Vikes aren’t really.
But yeah, those comparisons between the Vikes and Iggles are very silly.
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 11-5!!!
2009 New York Jets: not 11-5 :(, but PLAYOFFS!!!
2009-2010 Dallas Mavericks: 57-25, despite the recent molestation at the hands of the Lakers
arbitrarily chosen stats
I’ve noticed this happening throughout the season, and it really bothers me. Analysts (and fans) will choose a given number of games to represent the trend that appeals to them. This is a good example— there is no logical reason why 5 should be the number chosen. Since the season is 16 games long, 4 or 8 would seem to be a more logical choice. Both of those, however, would be less appealing for people trying to prove a slide for the Vikings. The statements “The Vikings lost 2 of their last 4” or “the Vikings lost 3 of their last 8” just don’t back up the implied trend. So essentially, people add another game to the logical 4 game ‘last quarter’ of the season, because the vikings lost it. They do this even though that loss happened more than a month ago and has the least bearing on the present, simply to manipulate the stats to show a trend that appeals to them.
by barbaros_nikos on Jan 15, 2010 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
So the Vikes beat a Giants team badly ya'll lost to twice when they were clinching first round bye
But its because you thought they were on vacation so it doesnt count
And ya’ll barely beat a Saints team missing 5 starters on defense and 4 starters on offense but this is your claim to nfc dominance
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 15, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
I dont think
any sensible fan of the giants, vikings or nfl will argue the effort of the Giants. Basically, there was none. Honestly, i think yall could have beaten them anyways however the 44-7 score was definitely caused by the Giants checking out a week earlier.
I
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 15, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
My point was
How can you claim the Vikes only won when they played a beaten down Giants team
But take all the credit in the world for beating a beaten up Saints team
Besides the Giants haven’t been good all year the Saints beat them when they 48-27 when they were 5-0 and supposedly the best team in the nfc
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 15, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Weren't there also a negative set of circumstances?
Short week, travel or something? I heard an analysis, but its faded.
let’s put this all into perspective.
a big factor going into the cowboys increased performance in the last 4 weeks of the season has to do with the fact that they were locked in a three way race for a home-field playoff game (or a playoff game at all, for that matter). playing for a first-round bye is not nearly as much an incentive as playing for a division championship.
the vikings clearly had the nfc north locked up since week 12 when they were 3 games up on the pack with 5 to play and the tiebreaker in hand. they also were 3 games up on the eagles for the first round bye with the tiebreaker in hand.
as i mentioned, if cowboys fans want to use the argument that the vikings beat the giants 44-7 because the giants had little to nothing to play for, go ahead… but one would have to understand the argument that the vikings had little to nothing to play for since week 12 . we saw what happened in week 17 when the vikings convinced themselves they had something to play for, even if just an off week. they played like the team that showed up during the first half of the season. that team will certainly show up next week. when this team plays like that, they will likely beat anyone, especially when at home.
I see what your saying but I’m not sure how much it works. You guys definitely had homefield advantage to play for, which can be huge. You were always right there with the Saints and too hint that you guys might not having been playing as hard because you didn’t have as much to play for is silly. You also had Philly and the Cardinals two games behind you after week 12, who were very much threatening your chance at a first round bye, which was also something that is huge.
Their are similarities between your comparisons but the two situations are still pretty different.
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
a team that is battling to just get in to the playoffs is going to have much, much, much more to play for than a team that is already there with a first-round home game and almost a lock for a first round bye. i’m just trying to make the point that when the vikings have the season on the line, as the cowboys have these last 5 weeks, they are a much better team… just like the cowboys.
I think it was more due to injuries on the line
and other places that was slowing us down. I hope at least :)
Yeah, I would agree with that. Through the tough stretch you guys had your o-line was played really poorly.
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
You guys do realize...
That 3 of the Vikings 4 losses came on poor field conditions. Bad fields slow down your offense (Vikes O is built on speed obviously) and it neutralizes pass rush to an extent (pass rush being the the best part of our defense). Essentially a bad field takes our really good team and turns it into a really average team because we can no longer do the things we do.
On turf they have been uber dominant. The 49ers game they won despite having a 10 point swing on a FG returned for TD and despite the fact that the 49ers had more than one first down on only two drives all game but both went for TD’s. In the Ravens game they played 3 dominant quarters but Winfield injury combined with crazy Ravens luck and bad tackling put them back in it with a chance for their rookie kicker to win it. But he missed.
For the most part the Vikings have been so dominant at home that Cowboys fans should be seriously worried about getting blowed out. I intentionally used poor grammar there so Cowboys fans could understand the meaning.
by Sand0 on Jan 15, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sigh
why can’t people stop making comments like “we’ve never…” As Vikings fans, we are very familiar with fate coming to bite us in the @$$. $hit happens. There is a chance the boys get blown out. A very small one. But it’s there. How is this for a scenario.
Favre, AD, Rice and Harvin after spending a week hearing how they don’t deserve to be on the same field reel off TD’s on the games first three drives while Jared Allen and the dismissed Ray Edwards chase Romo all over the field and force consecutive three and outs by the Dallas offense forced Romo to attempt to carry the boys threw the air since Kevin and Pat Williams shutdown the Dallas running attack. True to form in these situations Romo makes some ill-advised throws that get picked off by the vikings defense. Dallas looses the turnover battle and then the game.
At the end of the day, it all depends on how the teams show up. Romo is not a good comeback quarterback. On a balanced team where he only has to do his part, he is good. Historically he has not handled the pressure very well. The question then is, will he feel the pressure?
by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 15, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
You had a lot to play for even though you had clinched a playoff seed early
The #1 seed could have been yours and home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.
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by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 15, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
you apparantly don't know our history...
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 15, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
All I’m saying is that there’s a relationship between the threat that you’re in and the intensity you put out. The Vikings were in minimal threat after Week 12.. maybe the last few games. But let’s not forget.. the Vikings put up a dismal performance AWAY against the Cardinals, came home and bounced back against the then trendy pick and 9-3 Bengals, then went right back on the road and lost to the lackluster Panthers. Anyone who thinks that this isn’t a different team at home and is expecting the Vikings to perform at the level they played the Cardinals and Panthers at are fooling themselves.
And I don’t think anyone would disagree with this. You guys are great at home. It utilizes your speed and explosiveness, and the crowd has a large effect on things as well. I think anyone who thinks the that Vikings team that showed up against the Cards, Panther, and Bears is in for a surprise come Sunday.
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
yeah...
expect the team that beat the Packers.
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 15, 2010 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
Bears
After the Chilly plan was called off or whatever it was, they went on to score 30 points in a half. The story is rarely as simple as people like to make out.
True. When Favre began to run things (at least that’s how it appeared) the offense started rolling.
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Super trolled
Please cowboy fans, keep young wiz off our boards.
Nah,
I love it when trolls arrive, especial if they claim to be clairvoyant.
The more foolish the trolls, the more I laugh after the game.
If they do have things to say that make sense, I like to know that in advance so the coaches can read this blog and get ready for it.
Of course, I write so much insane stuff here myself, I doubt the coaching staff reads this blog other than for comic relief.
Si Picks the Vikes to win!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tim_layden/01/14/vikings.cowboys/index.html
I’m flabbergasted. (warning minimal actual analysis here, just Favre, coaches and hype).
Cowboys Fan Here
Comparing Favre to McFlabb is something that insults even me, and I’m not a Favre fan. Favre, through all his prima donna attitude, is one of the best ever. McFlabb’s best was left on the 40 yard line during the Super Bowl in a big stinking pile.
I really am enjoying Vikings fans thinking the Super Bowl is going to be handed to them, however, it reminds me of the 2007 Cowboys fans. It didn’t work out well for us.
It’s going to be a great game, the match-ups are interesting.
P.S. I hate you as much as you hate me.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
Who on here says that That the Super Bowl trophy should be handed to us?
However it is the media and some trollish fans that think SB should be just given to the Cowboys. just ask trent dilfer
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
Handed to us?
Lord Humungus-awesome name. Have you turned on your TV, listened to the radio, or picked up a paper??? We’re just want some respect. Guess will have to beat it out of people. And after we beat the cowboys we are going to hear it again next week.
You are clueless
Vikings have never won a super bowl. We know that. Most analysts are picking Dallas. Where the hell do you get the idea that we think it should be handed to us. This isn’t even a top 5 all time Vikings team. Yeah it would be neat if some luck came our way and we won it, but we don’t think it should be handed to us.
Actually it would be nice if it were handed to us. Then we couldn’t screw it up.
I do think we should beat Dallas this week and beat whoever is left next week but that by no way is a given. I think we would be under dogs in the super bowl but hopefully could get lucky and win that too.
Right now I’d put our chances at winning it all right around 15-20%. Better than the average remaining team, but by no means a sure bet.
I’d say our odds of winning the next three games are 70% x 65% x 40% = 18%. Yeah, I am making up numbers.
It is all point of view and timing
The first 6 weeks of the season it was most definitely the Vikings who were the NFL darlings how with Favre you cannot be beaten. Then the loss at the Steelers. The love transferred to the Saints. Then they lost to the Cowboys, the love transferred to the Eagles who were hot. Then the Cowboys dominated the Eagles and ended the season strongly. Now the Cowboys are the darlings. It is all very fickle. Im sure if you look at any “analysts” you will see their NFC super bowl picks changes almost weekly.
I really dont think either team is looking at what the espn and nfl network guys are saying. If either team needs that for motivation their side has already lost.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
Actually
lots of commentators said they would lose because of Favre. Maybe you might have heard that he’s old, immobile, throws picks and fades down the stretch?
Saints were the hoopdeedoo team early in the season too.
Never heard that
perhaps you want to be the victim. Favre was/is a HUGE upgrade over Jackson. That is all i heard pre-season and during the 6-0 start.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 15, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
He was a huge upgrade
and honestly when people thoguht we were going to get him they went ape crap. However, when we actually got him the schism crap came out and suddently we were tied with the bears both of us behidn the Packers as to our team strength. Nothing against teh bears or Pack but that really doesn’t seem like they thought we’d be dominant.
Personally I hope Romo channels some Danny White this weekend.. I always hated that guy.
Gees
Reading this gave my chills lol. Made me be proud to be a Vikings fan!
I am not worried
Win or lose I think the Vikings will play Viking ball. Before both the cards game and the panthers game I was extremely nervous because everyone said there was no way we would lose. Every time that happens we seem to play our worst games. This week is going to be a tough contest. The cowboys are one of the 8 best teams in the league as are the Vikings. I just feel our combination of talent will be enough to pull out the victory. Neither team should blow out the other but you never know. I just hope both teams end the game healthy and that the zebra’s call a fair game. All I know is that come Sunday I will be amped up and on DN and that Gonzo might have to make multiple threads per quarter.
Skol
by SouthernNorseman on Jan 15, 2010 9:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Fan of the opposition here
Just wanted to say that comparing the Eagles to the Vikings is like comparing USC to Alabama. Sure, USC was good in the past, but ‘Bama is great RIGHT NOW. I actually can’t think of a single position that I could confidently say Philthy is better than you guys at.
That being said, good luck this weekend ( but not too much luck :) ), this should be a really great game to watch.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
nice!
Thanks, and welcome to DN
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 15, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Easy, Gonzo...
The Cowboys won’t be seeing an offense with limited weaponry
I’ll give you the opportunity to amend that before I lay into you.
My view of the game
I would say that offensively, Dallas is a run to set up the pass team and the Vikings are a pass to set up the run team.
Dallas has three backs that can go out and have an impact on the game and boast an offensive line that has been together for a while. The key to a good running attack is having decent or better backs and offensive line consistency. Run blocking is all about timing and precision. Dallas’s line is good at this. When Dallas has struggled, it has been against teams that are good at stopping the run first and foremost. When the Dallas running game gets going, Romo plays relaxed and focused and tends to succeed. When the running game gets bogged down and Romo has to be the one to carry his team, he plays out of control and has historically folded under pressure.
Minnesota on the other hand has very good backs, but has 2 first year starters on the offensive line. Although they are individually talented, the precision is not their yet to be a run first team. However, the addition of Favre and his instant chemistry with our receivers has allowed the line to simply play their man based upon individual talent to cover up for their lack of precision. Once the passing game gets going, the Vikings are then able to get men out of the box and move the ball via running as a balance. When Favre gets shutdown in the passing game (whether by poor play calling or great coverage and pressure) the Viking’s offense grinds to a halt*.
- Please see the Arizona, Carolina and first half of Chicago games for reference of all three methods.
Both teams are fairly well balanced overall. I think the Vikings D is ideally suited to stop Dallas’s offense as they are better run D than pass D. I don’t think our Pass D is good enough to shut the Cowboys offense down completely and they will score at least 14 points more likely about 24. On the other hand, while both the Vikings and Cowboys passing D’s are below average, it is the Cowboys passing D and pass rush that will key the game. If through the use of screen passes to AD/CT and slants the Vikings can negate the Dallas rush and move the chains, the Vikings will put up points and likely win.
In summary:
If the Vikings can move the chains via screen passes and shorter slant routes while slowing or stopping the Dallas run offense, the Vikings will win. If Dallas can run and stop the Vikings through the air, they win. If some mix between the two, all bets are off.
Personally, I feel pretty good about the Vikings chances and guess that CT and out front seven will have a good day. Guess at final score: 31-24.
by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 15, 2010 10:17 AM CST reply actions
I wont comment on the Viking's D
both the Vikings and Cowboys passing D’s are below average
But in reference to the Cowboys, this is simply not true. In terms of yardage allowed, yes. But look at TDs against and passer rating against, even sacks. The Cowboys pass D is solid. I would assume that would also be the case for the Vikings, but you would know more than I would about that.
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by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2010 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Every D has a weaker spot
They look weaker than they really are when other aspects are strong enough where opposing teams avoid it. For instance, both MN and DAL have good run D’s and as a result, teams pass more against us. Therefore, the yards and TD’s that are given up start given a false sense of weakness.
You can’t just look at stats like TDs, passer rating and yards to quantify how good the defense is. Both the vikes and cowboys secondaries benefited from superior pass rushers. The vikes had a tendency because of the age of some of our key players of running out to leads early in the year and resting starters. If you watch the film, a fair number of our opposing teams passing TD came with them down 17+ points and late in the game. Ironically, both the Dallas and MIN defense are very similar in how they accomplish their goals.
by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 17, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
He who commits the fewest mistakes wins!
It comes down to this; the team with the fewest turnovers and the fewest penalties wins. I believe both teams are so evenly matched that it all boils down to execution and limiting big mistakes. Slim HFA to the Vikings!
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings! Honor your name. Go get that first down Then get a touchdown Rock 'em, sock 'em, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT! FIGHT! Go Vikings, run out the score, you'll hear us yell for more! V-I-K-I-N-G-S Skol Vikings, let's go!"
Agree
Our punting and kicking teams need to prevent the Cowboys from playing with a short field. And a few good returns by our team should do the trick.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings! Honor your name. Go get that first down Then get a touchdown Rock 'em, sock 'em, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT! FIGHT! Go Vikings, run out the score, you'll hear us yell for more! V-I-K-I-N-G-S Skol Vikings, let's go!"
The ST battle should be interesting.
You guys have a very good return man in Harvin, while our return game is probably below average. However, Buehler and McBriar and the coverage team of the Cowboys are doing a great job at stopping long returns.
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by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Okay us cowboys are screwed Bill Simmons picked us...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100115/two
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
hahahaha
good point. But then again, last week everyone picked the Packers and they lost. This is just one of those years. When is the last time in the NFC that both division winners won the wild card game? hasn’t a wild card team won every year for like the last 6 in the NFC? I am hoping that the cardinals beat the saints so the vikes/cowboys game is for homefield.
by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 15, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I think you are right
This is going to be a very entertaining weekend of football. Id be surprised if the saints/cardinals didnt combine for 75+ pts. The Vikings-Cowboys game is about as close as it gets. Jets-Chargers is a matchup of two teams playing their best football. Ravens-Colts, anytime you have rare talents like Manning and Lewis facing each other it is always exciting. Just to think those two calling their respective signals against each other.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 15, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
He picked us to beat the Eagles too
"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends."
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 15, 2010 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't Read The Comments
Someone probably already made this point, but not only is the two-headed AD-CT beast a better a running back than 2009 Brian Westbrook (I would argue better than any version of Westbrook), but in Childress we have a coach who refuses to pass the ball unless he has to, or his QB decides to audible to a pass.
Andy Reid refuses to run the ball unless he has to, and when he did this year, all he had was 2009 Brian Westbrook as an option.
Childress’ stubborn refusal to abandon the KAO and adjust to what he has on the field is a problem and weakness, but the current Viking QB has shown a willingness and ability to open things up that Donovan McNabb lacks in big games. Favre’s choices to audible out of “run right, run right, throw” cancels out Childress’ predictability, and will be key this Sunday.
/there, it finally happened. I praised Brett Favre.
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 15, 2010 12:33 PM CST reply actions
What's really exciting
Playing for little more than a bye for over a month I am very eager to see the Vikings defense back and champing at the bit on every single play of the game.
This is how the Cowboys have been playing for the last month.
We’ll see what will happen with both teams are hungry and laying it out there for every single play but I have a feeling that it will end with a, commentator shocking, sound victory for the Vikings.
MPR, Lefsa, 3M, Sun Country Airlines, Grumpy Old Men movies, Joe Mauer. What a blessed state!
by By Allen's Mullet on Jan 15, 2010 1:14 PM CST reply actions
The Cowboys beat the Saints in NO
…Then again, so did the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Weren’t they one of the worst teams in the league this year?
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This Dallas guy is spot on
Vikings have two receivers, a running back, tight end, and a quarterback. This guy is a genius by Texas standards. Let’s just ignore the fact that each player at each position plays a completely different style and is used completely differently. Favre/McNabb is the only reasonable comparison in style but Favre is easily the better player.
Come on Dallas fans and media. The bigger you talk the more enjoyable it will be to watch your team crumble at the Dome.
I dig the endless smack...
But at this point it’s just going round and round….
It’s all starting to sound like Charlie Brown Adult-Speak…
cue the trumpet
Agreed
I’m not one of the “smack talk is meaningless” crowd; not because I don’t think smack talk is meaningless; I do in fact think it is meaningless. It is part of the fun of following and identifying with a sports team.
At some point, smack talk among fans becomes so much noise, and for me, too, that point has been reached here. Let the Vikings and Cowboys decide it on the field in what I expect will be a good game.
Vikings 23, Cowboys 20.
Go Vikings!
/gjallerhorn blowing
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 15, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
How to Beat the Pass Rush of Dallas
Id like to revisit a playoff game I had the misfortune of having to watch that featured the Vikings and the Niners in the NFC championship game. My Vikes had the best pass rush that year with Millard, Doleman, Randle, Henry on the line and Joe Montana killed us with a west coast offense. How did he do it? He threw fast short accurate passes underneath all day long. 3 step drop or from the shotgun with the defense all spread out. We have all the tools to do the same thing on Sunday in addition we have a much better rushing attack than Golden Joe had at his disposal. Long drives kill a pash rush, the defense has to go all out every play, the offense doesnt, add in some run blocking and its fatal to a speed rush. The other thing thats not being mentioned are the massive amount of penalties incurred by the cowboys line this season. Add in the noise level at the dome and good ’ole Flozell being jumpy about having to block #69 and you can be sure there are going to be alot of holds and false starts. On offense Favre is the master of the hard count, how many yards did we get this year just from the snap count? Its insulting to read the opinions of so many experts that seem to post with bias. The facts are home field is huge in the playoffs, a bye week is a massive advantage for prep and team health, and after watching last weeks playoffs you can clearly see favored teams did not do well. It takes heart and grit to win in the playoffs, not media love. The final point Im going to make is the 3-4 defense used by so many teams in the NFL. That defensive scheme gives you many looks but each look has a severe weakness in it, ie defensive lineman dropping into coverage, an overstacked box that leaves man up coverage on deep routes. I hope we see Spencer and Deware on the line the whole game because it will make the middle and roll out routes totally open. Can Mr. Favre read a defense and make the right decision? Does a man thats been playing the game longer than alot of the posters have been alive give him some insight into defensive schemes? Can you list a QB in the history of the game that has more experience in a west coast offense? In summation, the game will come down to penalties, execution of game plan, turn overs and special teams. That means its exactly like every other game thats ever been or ever will be played. Go Vikings !!!
+4
win the matchups, execution, and a smidge of luck.
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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 15, 2010 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
Coaching: Can we pressure Romo? How will our O-Line do?
More than at any time this season, Brad Childress and his staff need to step with a great game plan tomorrow. Two areas will be critical if the Vikings are to beat the Pokes. The first will be how well we pressure Romo. Tony has been on a roll for the last 5 weeks, and there is no question he is a good QB. But he has fallen apart in his career when pressured. The Vikings have a great D-Line. However towards the end of the season it has had trouble against the bigger O-Lines like Dallas possesses. What has been troubling is that the coaches have been slow to adjust with blitz packages when the D-Line alone isn’t generating any pressure. I don’t believe the Cowboys will be able to run the ball against us with a great deal of consistentcy. So the twists the coaches put into our rush to put consistent pressure on Romo without forgetting about the Cowboys vaunted draw play will be critical in this game. If we can successfully pressure Romo our secondary will be just fine. Second, Can our O-Line generate a running game? Can they limit Ware and Spencer? At the end of the season we have missed the leadership of Matt Birk. Sullivan has to step up his game. Herrera needs to eliminate his whiffs. Really the entire O-Line needs to take it up a notch. The coaches better have made some max protection adjustments with the running backs and TEs too. Finally, the game plan itself should contain lots of screens and play actions; and also the element of surprise. Get away from our normal tendencies. Nothing keeps a defense on its heels better than that. Final score if our coaches have the team prepared: Vikings 31 – Cowboys 23.
You know what? ... No worries
We can definitely win this game. And we can definitely lose it. But, no mater what, this will have been a great season.
I spent a good part of late las tweek getting increasingly irritated at Cowboy fan and media pundit arrogance and presumption. I finally just stepped away Friday morning, and decided I would pay no more attention. And I feel much better for it.
If we win, victory will be all the sweeter, for having shown up this Cowbuy-centric arrogance. If not, then defeat will be no more humbling than it would have been otherwise. Maybe less even, since, you know, we are supposed to lose this game.
Skol Vikings. See you on the other side!
Referees keep blowin calls
And the conspiracy goes on…
Nice post.
It is entertaining seeing the ESPN Cowboys homers being shut up.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
Looking for lost Cowboys fan
Where is aussie_cowboy?…and the rest of Cowboys fan in here???
Would love to hear from them.

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