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Morning vikes fans!!   Here is a bit of a rambling I threw together.  Last week I realized I had pretty much done this over 11-20 post so I thought I would put it all together this week.

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These are all my thoughts and if you don't like them feel free to disagree then get made fun of by me. 

First off lets look at the broad strokes of this game.  The Vikings and the Saints are both very good offensive teams.  The Saints were ranked numero uno this season being fourth in passing and sixth in running.  The Vikes hit fifth place on offense with a eigth ranks passing attack and a thirteenth rated running attack.  To mirror this bad news we'll look at what our D looks like compared to them.  Over all the Vikes D comes in at a nice sixth place while the Saints roll in around 25th on over all defense.  Breaking this down the Vikes are 13 on pass/2 on run and the Saints are 6th against teh pass and 21st against the run. They allow 1.8 more points per game on D than we do and they get 2.5 more points on offense than we do.

Luckily this isn't all that matters.  Because if it was we'd lose in a close one.  I think the matchups we have with them will help us quite a bit, but in the end this game is going to be very close.

Let's break down some of the positions.

QB: I hate to say it and R4F is going to pour gas on my and light me, but Brees is a better QB than Favre right now.  The man is a miracle he's quick, he's accurate, he's confident and he just doens't make a lot of mistakes.  Now this isn't a complete blow out, they QB rating is only 2 points off after all.  The thing that will even this out will be Minnesota's D Line play.  We will need to sick them on Brees all day and try to take his deeper routes away from him.  I think if we can keep him throwing short and running Brett should be able to keep up and surpass the numbers.

RB's: yeah we have AP, and CT but numbers don't lie, the saints have out run us over the season by 200 yards, .4 average yards and 2 TD's.  They use a triple threat and have a solid receiver back in Bush, much like we have in Taylor.  They are a more consistant group but don't break as many big plays as we have over the year (would like to see more of em..)  I think we need to deal with this but I would much rather see NO run on us than passing on us so I think we're going to just need to pick our poison on this one.

O Line:  I think this is about even with maybe a push to the Saints.  They have allowed less sacks on Brees this year than the Vikes have and have the 6th ranked rushing in yards.  The only good news is looking at their schedule they havn't played a lot of strong defensive line units, and when they did (Dallas) they got beaten by them.  So I think we have a chance to make something happen here.  As well their Defensive line is not as tough as Dallas's by any stretch and other than Will Smith I'm not sure who we have to worry about.  Now Smith is a bad man and we'll have to make sure to scheme smart against him.

Receivers:  This is a wash, Rice, Harvin, Berrian map well against Meacham, Colston, Henderson and Co.  Both QB's toss the ball around a lot and like to keep their options open.  But I think we have an edge on the big play on this.  Both teams also have good receivers that like to catch out of the back field.  I think we can win this matchup but I really think we need to keep our passes in, as their secondary really hawks the ball well.

TE's Shocky vs Shiancoe.  This will not make people happy but I think Shiancoe wins this one.  He has more yards, more TD's, more average yards he's just had a better year so far.

Well I'll deal with the defensive side of this next.

On offense the Saints are a complete team that really has very few weaknesses.  The only good news is that our numbers actually do compare with theirs.  We are not as strong in execution as they have been all year but we should be able to hang with them in a shoot out.

Defense:

D Line:  This has to go to Minnesota we are monsters here and except for Will Smith I can't see how they match up to us here.  They are not a terrible line but they have given up a lot of yards to the run this year and other than Smith I don't see anyone really pressuring the QB.  I think this is were we will win or lose the game if we have a game like we did against Dallas, well good times, if it's like the Cards, we're doomed...

LB's:  I would give this a wash, The LB's on the Saints side I'm not familiar with enough to give this a serious rating, I'll try and look into this more to figure it out.

Secondary:  They have it, they simply get turn overs.  They arn't the best tacklers (another reason they are not strong against the run) but they are very good at knowing where the ball is.  this will be the toughest test our receviers have faced all year and I hope we're up for it.

On Defense I think we win.  And I think this is where we have a good chance at stopping the Saints.

Special teams:

Harvin - we win.  (Reggie Bush is SO last year :D)

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Going to be a good game

Hopefully there wont be so much fan bickering like there was with cowboys fans, kind of takes the whole spirit of these blogs away

Adrian Peterson...Beast Mode

by Grape Drank on Jan 18, 2010 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

There's whouldn't be to much bickering.

Cowgirls fans SUCK… They’ve drunk the Girls’ kool-aid since birth.

We have confidence in our team, but we respect what you guys have done. You’re not the #2 seed because you got lucky. You certainly earned it. So, you won’t be underestimated or disrespected.

The game this weekend should be EPIC!

NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!

by Dan Kelly on Jan 18, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

(typo police) s/b "There shouldn't be too much bickering."

NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!

by Dan Kelly on Jan 18, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

i like the humor right there at the end,

and on that note, i got bored with seeing kim kardajenner or whatever something like 12 times when Bush would get the ball….

on the note of your comparisons, i would agree with them pretty much bar none, and will freely admit that i do not think this is going to be an easy game at all… i say just feed AP the balll, keep them respecting the run and go from there. going to their house is gonna be no fun, but i think we’ll do alright with silent counts at the beginning of the game and quiet them down a bit.

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by IABerserker1 on Jan 18, 2010 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

That is insulting

If I were a rock I’d like to think I was smarter than her

Bears vs. Vikings Tickets - $150
Beer and food for 24 tailgate bus trip - More than $150
Watching Jared Allen destroy Jay Cutler LIVE - Priceless!!!!

SKOL Vikings!!!!

by boomy44 on Jan 18, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

how bout a sack of hammers?

kinda disrespectful to hammers if you ask me

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by IABerserker1 on Jan 18, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice analysis

I only have a few things to add
Our offensive line we have the best guards in the NFL and our RT is solid.
Our main problem has been LT which doesnt help with Allen being lined up opposite
He is still young and against Dallas our biggest problem was Ware and here’s why.
We like to keep our FB in to help block but we have had bad luck in keeping them healthy our 2nd TE Dave Thomas (Wendy’s as we call him) has played that position great and against Dallas Shockey was hurt so Wendy’s had to play TE and we just didnt have enough help with Ware,we are a different line when shockeys in and Wendy’s is in the backfield
Our recievers you match up very good with our first and second reciever but its our 3rd and 4th reciever we generally excell at not many teams have enough DB’s to cover all 4 or 5 we put out sometimes

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

Don't let him tell you we call him Wendy's.

That nickname is in dispute!

Brees gonna throw down the Saints... Wide open Devery Henderson! Nobody's within twenty yards of him! He could do the backstroke into the end zone from there! And he'll take it in for a seventy-five yard touchdown strike!

by Joseph William Stern on Jan 18, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still pulling for "The Drive Through"

We gotta have a legit vote on this at some point. What did they call him in New England?

Brees gonna throw down the Saints... Wide open Devery Henderson! Nobody's within twenty yards of him! He could do the backstroke into the end zone from there! And he'll take it in for a seventy-five yard touchdown strike!

by Joseph William Stern on Jan 18, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I still think we match up well deeper

Favre has thrown 40 passes to 6 different people on this team and harvin is pretty good in the slot. So I think that matches pretty well with what Brees does on his offense.
 
I still think Hutch is one of the best guards in the NFL and McKinnie when he is healthy is a tough man to get around. Loadholt has played well all season, yesterday he made Spencer a non factor and he is a pretty good OLB. Hrerra and Sully are a bit less impressive but both of them have earned their starting jobs ten fold.

Shocky gets injured a lot. I just can’t put him above Shiancoe even though many people believe him to be all that and a bag of chips.

As for handling our D Line I can respectfully say that Kevin Williams is better than Rat, Allen is better than Ware, and Phat Pat is a monster in his own right. Hell if Edwards plays like he did yesterday your front five will have a very difficult job trying to figure where they need that double team to go.

by Grime on Jan 18, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah it's not a great match up for the Vikes I will admit that

we’re going to have to rely on teh D Line to take away the time Brees has to throw. If we can help them up front we should be able to tackle them early and maybe preven frist downs.

Not sure how your O Line stacks up comparid to Dallas but again I’m not sure we can bring that same intensity to the next game. Those guys were playing lights out.

by Grime on Jan 18, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

i would like to think we can....

when i played a game like that in college, it just made me want to play that same way the next week.. keep going til they stop me.

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by IABerserker1 on Jan 18, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

especially...

when it’s the same gameplan that’s going to be needed.
I don’t see that we need our front 7 to change anything from last week to this coming game.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 18, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that ....

all the comparisons and stat analysis won’t really reflect on what will probably truly be the difference-maker – the Home crowd advantage of the Superdome. I see us hanging in there for a little while but I can’t help but think that they’re going to ride that huge wave of crowd support right over us.

I don’t want to be a dousing of cold water BUT honestly, have our beloved Vikings (meaning that sincerely, not sarcastically) shown us anything in away games to give us hope about this game? :( My only consolations is that it’ll be a turf game, thankfully.

I think we’re in for a long day on Sunday but I pray with everything in me that THAT isn’t true.

SKOL VIKINGS!!

by Wytefang on Jan 18, 2010 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

They actually have shown they are good during away games on turf

And in domes. They are horrible on away games hitting grass and the worse the field the worse we end up playing it seems. We rely on a fast surface just like NO does. The crowd is a serious factor especially since Favre audibles so much. So we are going ot have to be able to do something about that.

by Grime on Jan 18, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

hand signals.

invokes the Cone of Silence:

Watch Brett… he used them against the Cowboys too. It’s subtle, but it’s there.
A helmet tap here, a finger pointed down there, a point at the WR or two thrown in for good measure.
Brett is communicating with his receivers, telling them what route to run/change.

/COS off

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 18, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh mercy Percy

The cowboys only scored one, which meant that Percy would only the ball twice. I think that saints are a better offense that will score more points then the boys did . This means Percy will get more oppourtunites to return kicks. I also really hope that just for this game we put Percy as a punt returner.

by muffin man on Jan 18, 2010 11:49 AM CST reply actions  

Our punter is REALLY good.

That’s not just a homer saying that, he really is. should have been a ProBowl pic. Of course, our punt coverage helps to make him look so good.

NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!

by Dan Kelly on Jan 18, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Looking forward to a great week talking with you guys, and a great game Sunday!

Personally, I hope it ends in a Who Dat win, but I know it’s going to be a dog fight on all accounts. You guys have earned a spot in this game and we respect your body of work this year. Good luck to all!

Brees gonna throw down the Saints... Wide open Devery Henderson! Nobody's within twenty yards of him! He could do the backstroke into the end zone from there! And he'll take it in for a seventy-five yard touchdown strike!

by Joseph William Stern on Jan 18, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

The best game to be played this year!!!

Yes, I believe this will be the game of the year in the NFC….as it should be. The best two teams will be there. This one will be a tough fought contest. Though, I do believe the Saints will come out on top……I also think it will be our toughest game this year. Our teams have WON this hard fought battle to be where we are…..be dammed what the pinhead analysts have had to say all year. Good luck to you all, and look forward to posting again on your site, please; feel free to join us over at Canal Street.

Oh Man, I want to be in that number; when the SAINTS go marching in. (To Miami) WHODAT

by whodatone on Jan 18, 2010 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

Now that we have stomped the cowgirls….yes I’m so glad and just like our guys I was so tired of how we were gonna get smoked are now onto the real challange …the Saints.
I think it will be the defence that wins it for us.
I thought Kennedy did a great job as well as Robison in stepping up after Ray got hurt.

Drew is one heck of a quarterback and he’s as accurate as any.Yet if we get on him it’ll be all over.
I think we match up well and although the homefield is about the only thing that really get’s me concerned a great drive should muffle that.

Let’s go Vikes and let’s not be afraid….Favre is on our side this time around…hat on the ground …hands on the ground!

by PalisadeKid on Jan 18, 2010 1:25 PM CST reply actions  

A good drive to shut up the crowd?

Maybe if the Vikings get up by 4 TD’s we will be quiet, but I doubt it. We are going to be bringing it. Saints fans practice yelling from the diaphragm to make sure we can last the whole game without losing our voices. We give classes on how and when to cheer. It is part of the Who Dat Nation Indoctrination. I have my diploma from Who Dat University.

I am so proud of my Saints this year. If y’all get the early lead I can promise you that I will not stop yelling….willing my Saints to rise up….to overcome. I will gladly sacrifice my voice for my team. You had best believe that the Saints fans will be bringing their A game.

And if we lose, I will still be cheering for my Saints.

by DrWhoDat on Jan 18, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

The Dome will be rockin’ for 4 quarters – fact.

NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!

by Dan Kelly on Jan 18, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the secodary matchup

Brett may get a littled rattled seeing sharper back there.

I'll be your huckleberry- Doc Holliday to Ringo

by KilnBill on Jan 18, 2010 2:31 PM CST reply actions  

He's played against Sharper before which is nice.

But Sharper isn’t playing back there alone and you have a pretty decent system back there.

by Grime on Jan 18, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Favre is better by far........

What more does Favre have to prove?Favre is playing at such a high level and his leadership will blow Brees away at his position.You sure didn’t use your right head with this prediction..SKOL BROTHER !!!!

by Bogan Favre on Jan 18, 2010 6:33 PM CST reply actions  

Brees was a better QB

Than Gus!!! Thats right GUS last year, we have to do what we did last year.. fustrated the hell of the Saint’s offense early and then they went to sleep late.. I still can’t believe that we gave up 2 punt return touchdowns to that team with that offense and still won!!! As long as we don’t get caught up in trying to outscore them and just play our game on offense and let our D do what they do.. Same game, no turnovers, limit big plays, make tackles, we can take them!!!

by Marvin T on Jan 18, 2010 7:05 PM CST reply actions  

+ a lot....

aside from the attitude, New Orleans is a pretty similar team to last year, but out ST’s are better this year, so i’m thinking that won’t be running back any td’s. so i guess we’ll see how it all turns out, yeah?

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by IABerserker1 on Jan 19, 2010 12:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Only probem I see with that

Is that their secondary is much improved from last year and we aren’t running it as well. Last year we D’d up and ran on them slowing down their offense and tiring their defense. I’m not sure you’ll see that same situation this time, honestly we (the Vikes) want a low scoring game but I think we still have a chance if we push this to a gun slinging contest.

by Grime on Jan 19, 2010 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

i think we'll be able to run on them.

as weird as it sounds, i would mix in a little albert young in the whole deal. as powerful as AP is, he can be a little east-west sometimes. i watched albert young run for years at iowa, and he is a ‘hit a hole, no matter how small’ type of guy, while still getting positive yards, and that will really wear that d-line out, then even giving AP and chester bigger holes and arm tackles to run through.

our d is playing well right now, and i think if we make them 1 dimensional i.e-taking away the run, we can tee off on the pass. if we just play our style of football, we WILL win this game.

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by IABerserker1 on Jan 19, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I like what they did yesterday by stacking Harvin back there on teh run plays

He ran well and would give any defense a serious head ache as you have two top flight speedy backs back there and you can’t follow both of them.

by Grime on Jan 19, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

i guess just try stuff out

and see what works. go with that and switch it up every once in a while, just to keep ‘em guessing. point is, we’ve got about 4 different options as far as running the ball to see how best to attack their run d. i would almost put money on the fact that if we have all those different weapons in the backfield and we get a couple of them rolling (which i think we can do on their d) go with it and keep their o off the field.

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by IABerserker1 on Jan 19, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Will we see the "Harvin throws a pass" this week?

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

by cryhavoc on Jan 19, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

or CT?

CT to Shank worked last year.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 19, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

My 2 cents.

Its coming down to special teams!!!! Don’t get lost with the glitz. It’s gonna be who returns the ball the best. Let’s go Vikes!

by SeanInEauClaireWi on Jan 18, 2010 8:24 PM CST reply actions  

I pretty much agree

Our special teams has been lights out all year, save for the Chicago game. If Kluwe can keep hanging punts up in the air like he’s been doing, Bush isn’t going to have much room to run.

I dunno about the Saints kicker, but the Cowboys kicker (not the Redskins castoff) kept booming them into the end zone on every kick. It’s a very easy way to neutralize Harvin’s massive return ability.

by JTW on Jan 18, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Star Caps???

yo ArizonaVikingsFan….way to reach…you can go back to your doghouse…your out of the playoffs.
What a troll!

by PalisadeKid on Jan 20, 2010 3:51 PM CST reply actions  

I was...

merely pointing out that both these teams had the whole StarCaps issue come up with their players…
It’s a reference to Goodell’s witch hunt on StarCaps and how poorly it was handled.

Seeing how both ‘StarCaps’ teams made it to the NFC Conf game, It’s kindof a kick in Goodell’s nuts, imho.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 20, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

ooops

My bad you were talkng about somebody elses comment…

by PalisadeKid on Jan 20, 2010 3:52 PM CST reply actions  

TE comparison

I give Vikes the edge because Shank is healthier than Shockey right now, at least from a game-ready standpoint.

by zerkalo on Jan 20, 2010 6:18 PM CST reply actions  

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