Leslie Frazier a Victim of Minnesota's Success? Bills Appear Poised to Go with Gailey
by Christopher Gates on Jan 18, 2010 4:43 PM CST
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During the bye week that the Minnesota Vikings had in-between their regular season finale and their Divisional playoff game, current Vikings' defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier interviewed for the vacant head coaching position with the Buffalo Bills. Frazier's interview apparently went very well. So strong was Frazier's interview with the Bills, from all accounts, that he was considered to be the proverbial leader in the clubhouse to be the Bills' new coach as soon as Minnesota's season ends. And one would have thought the performance that his defense put on yesterday in their decimation of the Dallas Cowboys would have strengthened his case even more.
Apparently. . .not so much.
Per Pro Football Talk and Jay Glazer of Fox Sports, the Bills appear to be poised to name former Dallas Cowboys and Georgia Tech head coach Chan Gailey as their new coach. The deal could, apparently, be done as soon as the next 24 to 48 hours.
So, barring something weird happening over the course of the next couple of weeks, it appears that Leslie Frazier will be the defensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings again in 2010.
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and was of much greater importance than his subsequent interview with the Seattle Seahawks, which was a complete sham designed to do nothing more than get Seattle in compliance with Rooney Rule requirements, as anyone with access to a television or the internet knew the Seahawks were hiring Pete Carroll.
I think this is wrong, and you are being unfair to the Seahawks. It is a known fact that Seatlle was interested in Tony Dungy as GM, and Dungy said publicly that he was only considering coming back to football if he could have Frazier as his head coach. WHile Dungy was seriously considering going to Seattle, Frazer definitely was a serious contender for that job. In fact, had Dungy gone there, Frazier was the only candidate for the job.
I hope you reconsider in this light & retract the part of your post to remove this suggestion it was a sham, when there is clear documentation that it is not. Unless you think Tony Dungy and Leslie Frazier himself are both lying about what happened. Both have spoken publicly about this, you can find it if you google.
Noted
And edited.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 18, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Their loss is our gain
Frazier has done a great job in Minnesota, and while I wish him well in his career, I’m also very pleased that we’re fortunate to still have him working for the Mighty Purple.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
It's only a matter of time
If the crappy teams don’t want him this year it is their loss. Every year he is with us he is just strengthening his resume/earning potential. And every year he is with us (as assistant head coach) he is better prepared to be a head coach.
Good news for the Vikings and good news for the team that eventually does end up with him at the helm.
I wouldn't say this is necessarily true
Being offered or considered for a head coaching gig is actually kind of a rare thing. You take it when you can get it. Thats why coaches take positions on horribly teams. And just because a coordinator is hot at the moment doesn’t mean he will be for long. A couple of years ago there was no doubt that Jim Johnson (Eagles) and Monte Kiffin (Bucs) were two of the best D cordinators in the league, yet neither or them landed head coaching gigs. Why? I’d probably have to venture a guess that it was due to years of playoff runs.
AGE?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Can someone really be too old to coach?
Joe Paterno, Bobby Bowden, Marty Shottenheimer, and Dick Vermeil all experienced great success in old age, just to name a few. There probably is an upper limit (Joe Pa is about pushing it) but Johnson and Kiffin werent quite at it yet.
Jerry burns was 58 when he got his first head coach position.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
If you’re trying to help support my agrument, bringing up Burn’s head coaching success rate probably isn’t the best idea.
Six years, 3 playoff appearances, 1 NFC title game, 52-43 record. It’s not fabulous, but there have been a lot of younger coach’s who fared much worse.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
Really?
Wow. I guess I never examined the numbers but ya, he did alot better than it felt like in my memory. I just remember that time period as kind of resentful for some reason. Maybe it was just my personal life, I dont know. Thanks for clarifying.
Agreed
Leslie Frazier has proven himself to be a good coach and he appears to be a good guy. He deserves a shot at a head coaching job but I am happy that he will be the Viking defensive coordinator for at least one more season. His leadership and the continuity for the defensive team will be very valuable for us and will only further solidify his future successes as a head coach.
Hmmmm...
Maybe he makes another statement against the Saints this week.
‘Why you should have hired me as Head Coach’, by Leslie Frazier.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 18, 2010 5:21 PM CST reply actions
One more year is a good thing
Continuity is under-valued in the NFL these days, with coordinators and coaches getting fired or jumping ship constantly. Seems to me the more you work on the system with the same players and coaches, the better the execution will be.
Look no further than the Colts for proof.
Glad to see Leslie will most likely stay a Viking, but sorry that he keeps getting passed over for the HC jobs. He deserves his shot.
He is a victim alright
But I don’t think he is being vicimized by the Vikings success, he is being victimized by an archaic rule that was created to help him. Instead of helping him, all the Rooney Rule has done has jerked him around. When he is called for a HC position, he must doubt if it is a serious offer, or if it is just to satisfy the Rooney Rule, which is sad. Frazier deserves a shot.
The Rooney Rule was important, but its served its purpose, and its time to move on.
NFL Conference Championship predictions:
Vikings 31 Saints 30 ~ Colts 23 Jets 17
by craig in calgary on Jan 18, 2010 5:37 PM CST reply actions
all i hope is that
the Vikings can get to the super bowl and win it . i’ve seen all the crap in my 49 years……super bowl 4 loss, super bowl loss to miami pittsburgh and the raiders. the meltdown in 1998 championship game…………if there is any fairness in life….hope they win this one………no more monkey on their back no more “well, cant win the big one” etc etc etc lets go vikes!!!! 37-20 over the saints and then 27-16 over the jets!!!!
Probably best for Leslie
As a resident of upstate NY (but a Viking fan) I would not wish the Buffalo coaching job on anyone…well then again…maybe Keith Brookings
Wow
Can’t say I’m surprised though, IT’S THE BILLS.
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
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Do you know where I can order a couple of those?
by midnightwonder on Jan 19, 2010 7:01 AM CST up reply actions
A good thing for the Vikings
As I am still not fully bought into The Chilly Bandwagon as our coach for the future. Yes, he just led the Vikings for a first playoff win since God knows how long. But, again, with all the talents and money invested in the players I expect nothing short of a championship.
For the first time in decades the Vikings have the kind of ownership much needed—Commitment to excellency and a winning tradition.
So just in case how Brad Childress will fare the rest of the playoff run and, maybe even next season, Leslie Frazier could be just the man the Vikings hope for the future.
One thing I'll give to Chilli...
the man can draft…
by Loki Loves Purple on Jan 18, 2010 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
or Spielman can
I don’t know whose running that particular show.
Look above Spielman as well. His boss is quiet but effective also.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Jan 19, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Money doesn't buy championships
Sometimes not even winning teams. Just ask Washington. The problem with your expectations is that it assumes a superbowl caliber team exists just because the players are well paid.
At some point I hope you realize how well coached this team is and how well constructed this team is. Organizations reflect management from the top on down. I know you have a low opinion of Chilly but you really can’t deny his leadership from the top on down.
Skol
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Jan 19, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
It's damned hard to argue with an NFC Championship caliber team
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Frazier will get his shot
Ultimately this works out well for the Vikings. Frazier is a good coach, and the Vikings should consider themselves lucky that he hasn’t been hired somewhere else. Would you really want to coach the Buffalo Bills anyway?
Don't let him go!
As a giants fan, you don’t want to mess with a good thing. Hope that Frazier stays as long as possible with you guys
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Hmmmm... I wonder...
what would happen if Ziggy brought in Dungy and turned the reigns over to Fraizer…
Wow…
by Loki Loves Purple on Jan 18, 2010 10:22 PM CST reply actions
Frazier's status looking good, but
Frazier has done a pretty good job this year, but not in every game. His defense looked great against the Cowboys. We’ll see how the defense does against the Saints. I believe in Frazier and our defense.
I had an interesting day watching the game with a Philadelphia fan ( Dallas hater)
He had a very interesting take on coaching. His thought is that the Eagles always had a great offense when Chilly was their OC and they have never adequately replaced Chilly. I contrast that to the Vikes that were able to replace Tomlin with Frasier.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Jan 19, 2010 6:44 AM CST up reply actions
One other thing to consider
Both Tomlin and Frazier were coaches that Chilly wanted. what ever his failings as a head coach may be, picking his staff (at least on the defensive side) doesn’t seem to be one of them. also, has your Philly fan friend noted the similarities in coaching style/tendencies between Chilly and Reid?
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Philly fans think that Reid can't coach and that McNabb is a bad QB.
It amazes me how fans of every good team still hate on winning coaches. McNabb has led the Eagles for ten years and they think he’s no good. Won twice as many games as losses and they think he should be traded away. football Fans are terrible judges of talent.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Jan 19, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
Winning
After awhile winning the big one is the only one that counts.
Buffalo hasn’t ranked better than 23rd in offensive points or yardage in five seasons. But their defense hasn’t been that bad. I can see why they would want an offensive minded coach running the team, rather than Leslie Frazier who is a defensive coach. Nothing against Frazier I’m sure, it’s just that Gailey fits the bill better now than he does. The fact that he has been a head coach before probably helps too.
From Wikipedia’s Chan Gailey page:
“Gailey had previously served as offensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins in 2000–01 when the Dolphins posted consecutive 11–5 records. He was on the Pittsburgh Steelers staff from 1994-97 when the Steelers won four straight AFC Central titles and played in one Super Bowl (XXX). He was offensive coordinator in 1997 when Pittsburgh ranked sixth in the NFL in total offense and seventh in scoring.1 Gailey served as the offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs in 2008 and three games of the 2009 pre-season before he was relieved of duties by Chiefs head coach Todd Haley”.
If he continues to field a good defense, he’ll likely get a head coaching job in a year or two. But the guy is only 50 years old, so it’s not like time is running out on him. Childress was 50 when he got the Vikings job.
Having a rule that makes teams interview minority candidates will result in situations like this. I can’t imagine that any owner in the league really wouldn’t hire someone based on their race at this point.
yea, there have been,
too many good minority HC’s for that to be much of an impediment now days, still, I don’t feel that their is any thing wrong with the Rooney(sp) Rule as I don’t see it causing an quilfied candidates from not getting hired
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Offense
wins games Defense wins championships.
Minnesota has been targeted too often for our coaching staff
Minnesota has been targeted too often for our coaching staff. It is not fair to our players to have offensive and defensive coaches, being bribe with higher positions on other teams,
Minnesota Vikings have been a turn stile for offensive and defensive coaching staff, the Viking Players are always ending back at Square One, with each new NFL Season, where what they have built on, is thrown out, and the ideas of the New Coach are needed to be learned.
Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens, and other teams steal away the Minnesota Coaches. I believe that to do so, the team that takes away a coach need to give the Minnesota Vikings a #1 Draft Pick.
Everyone we meet in life give us happiness, some by their arrival, others by their departure!
Wow thats interesting
I would think that you would want a coach that is so successful that every single team would want to hire away his assistants. That is flattery of your head coach. Great coaches have built a coaching tree and hopefully Childress will have his own branch of the Walsh/Reid/Childress tree.
Under your system assistant coaches that work hard for your team are punished by being more expensive than college coaches coming into the league.No, I think I want to reward good employees with a raise ,promotion, or even a congratulations on your new job as head coach.
When a team hires a head coach they expect the Head coach to be able to hire great people. And then to repeat the process as many times as necessary.
Our coach has proven he can do just that.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Jan 19, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
There's an idea....
Not every coach to come out of Minny has been great. We don’t have to go back very far to remember Tice…
Still, I like the idea. There really should be some sort of recompense IF a contract is broken or terminated early. If not, coaches are like any other Free Agent in the NFL.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Every good team has this happen to them.
When Holmgren was in GB, I think they lost a coach every year.
The Ravens have had numerous D coordinators come and go
The Patriots routinely have their coaches and front office people taken
This is part of the game. It means your team/coach is doing well. If its not happening, well then THAT is when you should be sad cause it probably means your team sucks.
shocking...
that someone can interview with 7 teams and not make it. He’s either:
1. a terrible interview
2. a victim of a broken system (the requirement to bring in a minority)
3. poor timing
Ultimately I wouldn’t complain if I were a Viking fan…I want my coaching staff together as long as possible.
There you go. Love him as long as he is here.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Jan 19, 2010 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Defense Rules
So we get to keep him for another year, then we need to get rid of that 3rd quarter break down we had so many of them this year on D. He’s a great couch our gain their loss.
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