Yep, The Vikings Have Fallen To 1-3
by Christopher Gates on Oct 11, 2010 11:52 PM CDT
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PrintAnd everyone is starting to write this team off.
Those people are going to feel really stupid when the Vikings are sitting at 7-3 going into Week 12.
It starts next week. Screw the haters, screw the doubters. The season starts right now.
Discuss.
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Oh yes.
Just you watch and wait, everyone.
The Vikings are coming to town.
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by Seracon on Oct 11, 2010 11:56 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Nothing to be ashamed about
You played a good game. We were lucky to win. Maybe we will meet again in the SB. Good luck in the rest of the season.
Lots of positive notes.
Honestly, if we can just get ANY offense in the first half, we are very well on our way to win our 3 loses. It’s not like we’re getting blown out by any means. Our defense is seriously stepping up in all our games, and limiting good teams to low scoring outings. But when you lose by less than a TD (this night was a similar setup, until we had to force the ball down the field in a minute), it’s very sickening to think of what may have been.
I like our chances against the next 4 games, giving the Packs injuries, the Cowboys randomness, the possible new offense the Patriots have to figure out, and the lul cardinals. Just have to hope the other NFC teams struggle as well.
That said, I am a huge Favre supporter, but at least half his turnovers are on his shoulders. Some are our WRs who bobble easy catches into defenders hands, or errant tipped passes. But he is definitely a boom or bust QB.
This season is completely full of what ifs, and it’s just killing us. ESPECIALLY that last missed Harvin pass when he was entirely wide open. Really? :|
Lastly, on a positive note, I feel like the Moss experiment was a success. The dude played amazing for basically having 3 days or less of practice.
Don't forget
Moss was going against one of the most talented secondaries in recent memory too. Cromartie played a great game against him and still gave up 80 yards and a score. Moss had a spectacular game in my book.
Moss looked slow against Cromartie
That said he still has great body control and hands and should be able to out-jump/win fights against 90% of the CBs in this league.
The thing that pissed me off were all the stupid stupid penalties. Hell the first playcall was essentially an illegal play unless Brett reports eligible. That, illegible formations and false starts have got to go and a lot of that falls on Bevel or whomever is running the practices.
Don't think that play was supposed to go to Favre.
I think he was supposed to toss it deep and Favre was just up there to throw a block like the old man shouldn’t be doing anyway.
Moss looked slow?
Antonio Cromartie runs a 40 yard dash in the 4.3’s and is one of the fastest cornerbacks in the league. And there were several plays where Cromartie was dragging on Moss’ jersey to keep him from pulling away.
As for the botched reverse play, this is what they were trying to do. Problem is that Shiancoe was the only receiver out on a route to throw it to and he was literally quadruple covered because no one in the Jets secondary bit on the fake (well disciplined team over there). Moss could have ran it but there were two unblocked defenders between him and the line of scrimmage. If he threw it away, Favre still gets flagged for illegal man down field. I was ok with the penalty personally because I’ll take 1st and 15 over 2nd and 12.
Of course, they missed out on a chance for remarkably brilliant irony by not lining Favre up in the shot gun and calling that play to begin with. How awesome would it have been for Randy to throw to Favre for their first play together?
And, I’m sorry, but you can’t blame coaches for the illegal formation penalty. Harvin has been playing this game for 15 years and that’s football 101. That was just a bonehead play and it’s inexcusable for a player.
Moss should have thrown it away
If he threw it away, Favre still gets flagged for illegal man down field.
Since when is a player coming out of the backfield consider an ineligible player down-field? Unless you know about a super secret rule, no penalty would have been called on Favre if Moss had thrown it away.
by A Man For All Seasons on Oct 13, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not really a "secret rule", nor is it really that difficult
The penalty was for an ineligible receiver down field. Brett was ineligible because he lined up under center. If he had lined up in shotgun he would be considered an eligible backfield player.
If Moss had run there would have been no penalty because you can’t have an ineligible receiver on a play where there is no pass. Presumably that is why Favre was down the field in the first place, he saw Randy wasn’t going to pass to the one receiver out on a route and went looking for a block.
But if Moss threw it away, it would have been a pass play with an ineligible receiver down the field and the flag would have still been thrown. It’s no different than if a guard were ten yards down the field and a QB threw the ball out of bounds.
well
brett kinda threw it shittily.. but, i digress, he cant make all the plays..
This night was more encouraging than it was dissapointing.
by marsexxxy23 on Oct 12, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm worried for Brett
it seems like his arm is about to fall off. he’s just bearing with the pain.
but how long can he do that?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I saw that too...
After the TD to Harvin he came off holding his elbow. The next series he misses a wide open Harvin twice. Kind of worried for Brett, but other than what looked like an injury to Favre, I’d say our offense showed resillience in the second half. I’m encouraged.
by angelsownredsux on Oct 12, 2010 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
brett said it himself after the game
…that his elbow felt the worst its felt in 4 weeks and that he was surprised he missed some throws he should make in his sleep..
..dont see how it will ever be able to heal this season…
i say now that he has 500/70k out of the way, no longer should chilly just keep in in regardless of elbow status just for sake of keeping the streak alive..
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Brad Childress - no way
Childress will let our season go down the drain before he pulls Farve from the lineup. Favre is hurt and hurting our offense. Jackson can’t do any worse but he’s not a (legend) or have a games started streak to protect. Oh yeah, let’s not forget the $19 million that Farve gets for us to watch this train wreck.
I don’t want to throw Favre under the bus but what’s wrong about giving the arm a chance to heal and maybe create a QB controversy. He’s flinging the ball and not throwing it because of the elbow. He is missing receivers that are open or throwing the ball into the ground. Nobody wants to see the VIKINGS win anymore than I do. But, something has got to change. If it was anybody else that was hurt we wouldn’t even have to be talking about this. Our DEFENSE is playing 10 levels above the offense, Thank God. If not we’d be getting blown out of these games. Our DEFENSE has only given up 55 points in 4 games and many of those are because they have been put on short fields by turnovers. Something has got to change. It’s just got too.
Tommy – VIKINGS Fan for Life!!
Tommy - VIKINGS Fan for Life!!
IF and I mean IF Favre gets suspended...
TJ will then show what he is made of…He has to at some point because Favre will not be returning next year (OBVIOUS) TJ to Moss would be a great combination and TJ can run the ball as well. Chilly isn’t doing the Team or the Fan’s any favors by starting Favre when he is injured just to appease him because it is NOT all about Favre—It’s about winning the Super Bowl. Chilly is NOT the coach and we all know that.
Honestly
A 1 or 2 game suspension would probably do wonders for his elbow. Maybe that wouldn’t be such a bad thing.
Jet fan here
Just wanna say the Jets were lucky to win that one and I don’t see you guys losing many more win Peterson and Moss. Good Luck
For the conditions, I thought both teams played a pretty good game.
It was a cleanly played game. No cheap shots, even though there was opportunity.
The Jets record shows how good they are. I think our record will reflect that in about a month.
..beg to differ
…i think vikes were the lucky ones…the jets had several key drops that were perfect passes, which would have kept drives alive.. while vikes had 1 first down excluding penalties..score could easily have been 23-0 at the half..
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Hm.
I didn’t see too many ‘perfect’ passes. Our D did have a lot of deflections, and hands swatting down passes caught or not. We can actually give our secondary credit in this one, for once.
Before you start talking about luck
Remember it’s the Jets that decided to start Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes, two WR’s notorious for dropping catches. The rain definitely didn’t help that either, but both teams were bobbling and dropping slippery balls more than usual.
This is why
the rest of the country hates Minnesota.
Thanks for Garrison Keilor, assholes!
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
A reading from the book of jobe
“I’m a dumb ass troll, so Gonzo banned me.”
Here ends the reading.
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by Christopher Gates on Oct 12, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
...and he was 'smoted'...
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 12, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
By the way
Thanks for Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer. . .Wisconsin’s proudest sons.
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by Christopher Gates on Oct 12, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
LMAO!
That made my day so far!
Brett’s arm definitely looked like it was bothering him late in the game. I hate to say it but maybe we should start Tarvaris against the Cowboys and let Brett’s elbow heal a little bit.
We can beat the Cowboys with Tarvaris at QB.
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Agreed. Let Favre play the first series and then let TJax step in for the rest of the game. Downside though, am not sure that will be enough for Favre’s arm. Memories of his torn bicep and his horrible last 5 games with the Jets that season come flashing back.
then we will hear accusations of...
keeping the streak alive… but who gives a @#$#
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 12, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldn't be the first time
Favre’s streak has included several games where he started and didn’t even attempt to finish.
Dahmer....
Yeah, that really eats the cheeseheads up :)
Sounds like sour grapes...
… from someone who just realized that the NFC North will be won by either the VIkings or the Bears…
with the Packers in a distant third.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
After 9 games
The worst the Vikes will be…the worst…is 5-4.
Book it.
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i love ur optimism and all
but i really dont think now is the time to act cocky
by puddnhead on Oct 12, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's always time to act cocky :)
Ok, so we lost. So the Vikings are 1-3. Like we haven’t been here before, or overcome it? Come on, puddnhead, keep the faith, man.
Ah, ah,
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SKOL!
Played like crap
But still pushed you guys to the brink in your own stadium. If we stink, that is not a good sign for you guys.
Something stinks, alright
Oh, wait, it’s you.
Allow me to remove the smell.
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by Christopher Gates on Oct 12, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree Ted we finaly showed the real Vikings O it will only get better come next week at home expect a big time win skol vikes!!!
by cali viking on Oct 12, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
7-3?
Moonshine in the kool-aid?
California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!
Could you guys please
Apply for either Judd or Chip’s job at the star trib? they are both melodramatic drama queens….. heck there is more optimism here than on that crap acres Vikings page
Ain't there job to be optimistic about the Vikings
Plus they’re Packer fans
you are nutz
You think with Favre’s 2-3 turnovers a game we can win the next six? I am a purple bleeder and I know this is going to happen. We are at the bottom the league in scoring and nothing is changing.
I think it's possible to win 2 out of the 3 next games - just being optimistic
plus everyone had us basically giving this game away
And they are 1-3 as well...
Whats your point?
Romo had what 3 picks in Titans game
How many INT’s have our DB’s made? Our defense only has 2 INT’s for the season. We need to worry about our team not turning the ball over. Then, that’s when we’ll begin to get fine.
Tommy - VIKINGS Fan for Life!!
stop all that talk!!!!!
anything is possible!!! just ask KG
"It’s not arrogance, it’s destiny." -RKO
Did you watch the 1st half?
1 quarter doesn’t make up for 2 and a half quarters or garbage play. Especially when you’ve had 2 weeks to prepare for this game.
No it doesn't "make up" for it but
You said nothing is changing. My point is things changed at the end of the game in a way we haven’t seen all year. Now if you think that it was a fluke for an offense with as much talent as we have put up 20 points in the second half, that’s fine. But I think what we saw tonight is the norm we should expect and I’ve been waiting for it to click for 5 weeks. And since that change happened at the end of the 3rd quarter and carried over into the 4th quarter and to the end of the game, I have no reason to believe that it won’t continue to the next game. Especially since it’s Moss’ homecoming :)
need to see FOUR quarters of offense before i believe we will be able to beat the good teams.
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah with you on that BranFavrenton 4 quarters of moving the ball.
Playing just one half of football won’t beat decent teams. We have put ourselves in a hole. We have to sweep the Packers & the Bears to get back in it.
We clicked
The Vikings offense didn’t really click into place last year until the one spark plug play (Greg Lewis’ game winner against the 9ers). This year, Moss’ touchdown sparked the offense and suddenly we were moving the ball at will. There is no reason to think that won’t carry over to next week.
And yes, 4 quarters of good offense is better than 1 and critical for a successful season. But 1 quarter of good offense is better than the 0 we had heading into this game. While it’s easy to criticize the offense for not playing better in the first half, we really didn’t play any worse than the previous 3 games. We were just playing a substantially better defense than we have all year, and are likely to face again for that matter.
by Cobra312004 on Oct 12, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Moss' homecoming
I hope you are correct. I’m not there yet. Do we have the talent, Yes. Do we have a strong DEFENSE, Yes. Has the OFFENSE shown signs of what we expect, Yes. BUT, when will we stop shooting ourselves OFFENSIVELY in the foot, don’t know?
I’m sorry to say this but this season is just a continuation of last season’s ’09 NFC Championship game. Turnovers and missed opportunities, 1 right after another but without the OFFENSE really able to get going.
Tommy - VIKINGS Fan for Life!!
We didn't really shoot ourselves in the foot too bad after Moss' TD
Which I am seeing as the catalyst.
I don’t see Favre’s interception as shooting ourselves in the foot because I don’t see it as an unforced error like his previous fumbles. The fact that there was 90 seconds left and no timeouts meant that he was pressing more than usual (and we all know how much Favre presses normally already) and that always makes teams more vulnerable to interceptions. It was a mistake but it never would have happened if the defense gets us the ball back with more time. We very much should have had it with more than 2 minutes and a timeout left (if we don’t waste one with the 2 point conversion confusion) and needing only a field goal to win.
A few notes for the Vikings
The game starts the first time they kick off, not after halftime. We ain’t talkin bout practice, we talkin bout first half.
Real men don’t kneel at the end of the half near the 50 yard line, especially without a lead. Wanna put an end to those rumors about Favre? Show off bigger equipment (metaphorically speaking) and the “evidence” is meaningless.
Oppurtunistic offenses don’t let 37 seconds run off to end the third quarter. They put a formation on the field, call a play that they’re pretty sure works well against one sort of defense, see if that defense is what is on the field, if not, THEN let the time run off.
If Favre is doing crap, and Peterson got you to 3rd and 3, there should be an above 50 percent probability that Peterson gets the ball, not a below 10 percent.
Really?
First of all, you don’t go for it there and here is why. Second of all, our line was not protecting Favre well enough for the WR’s to get 60 yards down the field anyways. Thirdly, and perhaps most relevant, our last possession ended with this. Take the knee and regroup.
But my question is why would attempting a Hail Mary in that situation have any bearing on the allegations against Favre? Maybe the public would care less (the part of the public that thinks sexual harassment is ok as long as you’re awesome at sports) but it won’t make anything the league finds (or doesn’t find) less meaningful.
To your third and fourth points; Yes, well stated and Don’t you think the Jets would suspect that as well? The Jets have the 4th ranked rush defense after all.
Not every play that has a chance to score is a Hail Mary.
You can run the ball, you can throw a screen, if you don’t want to throw a longball. The ball isn’t going to be magically and reliably less slippery after halftime.
The point about the allegations was a joke. _.
The Jets are good at pass AND run defense. Having a below 10 percent run probability in those sorts of situations, which is what it seems, makes it easier for the Jets to predict what happens than a slightly above 50. Not a harder.
The ball is less slippery after half time because it literally had just been pouring rain for about 5 minutes leading up to us taking possession. You could barely see the field at times because it was raining so hard.
Now, did you watch the video I linked? The Cowboys threw a swing pass in the flats instead of taking a knee at half time. Many experts believe that decision cost them the game as the Redskins returned a fumble for a TD and scored with no time on the clock.
And back to my fumbling point (which I said was most relevant), we fumbled the snap on the previous possession and fumbled a handoff on first down of our first 2nd half possession. That means both plays on either side of that kneel down were unforced fumbles. I’m glad we played it safe.
As for running on 3rd down, turns out we only were in 3rd & 4 or less on 4 plays the entire game. We ran on 1 and passed on 3 but the sample size is too small to draw conclusions from. We faced 3rd & 5 or more 13 times (8 of those times were 10 or more). Those down & distance numbers are just not conducive to running.
It sucks that we lost to the Jets
Because we will have to beat good teams in order to go anywhere this year. But I think 10-6 can win the NFC North this year, so we are not out of things by any stretch. Judging by GB and Chicago games this year, we can still win the diveision
I don’t know. Have you seen Chicago’s cupcake schedule?
Of course, Chicago might be the least imposing 4-1 team in recent memory, so who knows?
I cannot see the Bears doing anything long term
A Collins 6.5 QB rating is not going to go far, and Cutler is not an elite QB once he gets back if he is on the turf 8-9 times a game
bears are 4-1 pack 3-2
were 3 games behind the bears and 2 games behin the pack
it all comes to division games..if we can winem we will be fine
Green Bay's schedule is pretty rough, just like ours.
and they’re rolling with quite a few injuries for the next couple weeks.
correction
2.5 and 1.5 games behind.
But you’re 100% right. We’re 1-0 in the division and if we go 6-0, we should easily win this division. Still very much in our own hands.
ding!
we lost a close one to the Saints and 2 to AFC teams.
We are stronger in the NFC and can beat our Division rivals.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 12, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
This game had more Positives than Negatives.
Certainly, there was nothing good from the O, in the first 3 quarters. Bad Blocking, Bad Play Calling, all that Jazz. (Still with the Runs to the Right? the 2 worst blockers on the team, and they run in between and around them.)
The D, was.. Hell, it was, to use an overworked cliche, Lights Out. (The loss of Cook and Ceddy hurts, but i see Asher and Antoine and Abdullah stepping up and making great plays in the weeks to come.)
Finally, in the 4th, Favre returned (until that INT of course) to the QB we all know and love. Randy, looked sort of lost, for a while, but not entirely. He picked it up and showed why the FO brought him back. Percy, is going to EXCEL even more than he did with Sidney there. And what can you say about AP? He’s just… Dickerson-esque?
Anyway, this was a good game. And now we know what the O is truly capable of, there should be more confidence there.
Overall effort- C+
Favre is back.
And So are our SB Hopes. :D
He is back with 3 TDs and..
he is back with the only guy who can give us some hope. If our D had hung on to the ball, we would have had 2 INts as well.
and
Hes happy
Hes got his Deep Threat Jump Ball guy back… and will soon have his other Deep Threat Jump Ball Guy…
Patience is Key…
Childress not running behind Herrera and Loadholdt is Key too…
by marsexxxy23 on Oct 12, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
The D wasn't nearly as dominant as you all keep claiming
Did you watch LT rip of runs of 5+ yards over and over? Sure it’s probably more his line but early on the Williams Wall and (especially) Jared Allen got manhandled. Sure they stiffened up in the Red Zone, but that allows 3 points when we want to give em 0. Our CBs also were bad. I think there were way more passes dropped than passes defensed + sacks.
Actually, I think the CBs did pretty well
I mean, if you can consistantly hold a team to FG, ESPECIALLY when your offense has all of 1 first down for an entire half, you’re pretty well set. I think you have to realize that. Yeah, we were bleeding field-goals, but it doesn’t help the offense went 3 and out on something like 6 of their 7 first drives.
There was one point where Sanchez had 31 pass attempts, and Favre had all of 7, in the first half.
True
Our run defense was not what it usually is. To be fair, the Jets have a stellar offensive line and a Hall of Famer running the ball (who, even after last night, is still averaging more per carry than at any point in his career).
I think it was pretty impressive that they held the Jets to 26 yards in the 3rd quarter on four possessions. If you take out their TD drive (which I think doesn’t happen if Griffin doesn’t get hurt), we held them to 56 yards in the 2nd half.
Thie difference between Jets CBs and Vikings CBs
To me was that while both are in position the Jets CBs defense the ball while the Vikings just make the tackle.
I hope you're right
There’s every opportunity for this team to make the playoffs even at 1-3:
1.The division has shown no dominating team, and the toughest opponent’s QB just went down with a concussion
2. The league has ridiculous parity, first season since 1970 (40 years) to not have a team go 4-0
3. The NFC looks especially weak, 8-8, maybe even 7-9 might be good enough to make the playoffs for somebody this season
4. The Vikings have by far the most talent on the roster up and down. The personnell is in place.
5. This team is very very veteran, and the majority of the players have played together the last 3 years.
6. The defense is a top 3 defense in my book, I don’t care what those morons at ESPN say, the vikings are playing super bowl caliber defense CONSISTENTLY. That is sometimes enough to get you to the superbowl despite how weak the offense is (see ’01 Ravens, ’03 Bucs, and ’06 Bears) and the vikings offense is better than all three of those teams.
The biggest thing holding this team back is the coaching staff. They are by far one of the worst. They lack creativity and are clearly unprepared. This was especially noticeable when they had the kicking team out for the extra point when a 2 point conversation ties the game, especially against arguably the #1 defense in the league. It wasn’t until a timeout was wasted that they decided to make the right decision and go for it. Playcalling lacked any creativity as usualy, that’s nothing new. The offensive explosiveness was all created by B Favre making his own plays at the line of scrimmage last year, and this year Randy Moss was showing Bevell how to draw up plays on the sideline before that last drive. What does that say about the coaching staff? It says they’re out of their league. A monkey would be more successful because they’d at least be unpredictable.
If the vikings want it this year, it’s theirs to take. Do they really want it? Do they have the heart to earn it?
Coaching staff
The biggest thing holding this team back is the coaching staff. They are by far one of the worst.
You can only judge them by their results, and so far this year, the results haven’t been very encouraging. Quite frankly, I don’t understand it, but I’m waiting for the end of the year to judge.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Not only results but penalties
Did you watch our drives in the first quarter? Did you see us get called for illegal formations and start the game throwing to an ineligible receiver???? That shit is inexcusable.
That was Randy Moss, not the called play
The play was designed to go to Shiancoe but he was quadruple covered because, frankly, the play didn’t work. Favre was not supposed to be down the field on that play, but he went looking for a block when he saw Randy pull the ball down to run.
And the illegal formation penalty (singular) was called on Harvin. Besides the fact that it turned out to be irrelevant because Kleinsasser had a terrible holding penalty on the same play, you can not blame the coaches for that. That formation penalty was football 101 and Percy should know better. If you want to blame any coach, blame his pee wee coach that apparently failed to teach him that.
We covered illegal formations in high school
again and again so it never happened in a game… Harvin should know that, but that first quarter was penalty after penalty. I’ll put any individual penalty on a player but when you have a plethora of them that just feels like poor coaching.
Probably right
I just have a hard time blaming anyone but Harvin for that one. Like you said, you practiced that in high school all the time. High schoolers need to be coached up in that for many reasons, but it’s not unreasonable to expect the pros to know the rules of their game.
But the rest should probably be chocked up to poor prep on the coaches. We’ve had lots of recurring issues with stupid penalties ever since Tice’s regime, and that is very annoying.
if they would have went for the PAT..
.. then they only would have been down 22-15…still one score game..but they still would have had to convert a 2 at some point i know.. i just think better to put off until it is a must..
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
22-14*
But at the time they would have been down 15-14. You go for the 2 point conversion because you can never bank on scoring more points. If you can tie the game (especially in the 4th quarter) you tie it. If they kicked and no one scored again, they would have lost by 1 and that doesn’t help anything.
risk/reward
its either tied or potentially down by 2 scores, vs . down by one score, and hope to score again.. either one can be argued..
had they gone for 1, then even after brett’s pick-6, they still would only be down 8 w/ about minute to go.. quite the longshot, but a bit better than game over..
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 13, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
can't look at it based on how the rest of the game played out
You have to look at it in the context of the moment the decision is made. At the time it’s either tied or down by 2 points. If you make it; You get overtime if no one scores the rest of the way or you have a much easier time matching your opponents scores the rest of the way.
If you don’t get it; Things aren’t much worse off. If they score a field goal (which they had not scored a TD at that point, and had been held to about 30 yards of offense for the entire 2nd half) you’re down by just 5. If they score 2 field goals, you’re down 8 and can go for two again next time.
But ultimately I think it has to come down to this simple question I mentioned before: What happens if no one scores again? Certainly this question shouldn’t be asked every time but there were only 10 minutes left and it wasn’t that far fetched with the rain and two top 10 defenses.
If you go for 1 point when you need 2 and lose by 1 point, you might as well resign right there.
Veteran?
Or just old.
Some are veterans still playing in their prime… but I am beginning to thing that, for a few, father time is starting to catch up.
For this Vikings, this year may be it, because old guys just get older. Sydney or the bush.
Having said that, Purple has more talent than anybody else in the division. Green Bay has flaws, Chicago has ZERO offensive line, and Detroit is… well… Detroit.
I am a Bears fan, but I can see it is a house of cards in Chicago. The Bears have a lot more talent than many people think, and have a SOLID D… but games are won on the offensive line, and Chicago may have the worst line in the entire league… that’s just not going to hold up I am afraid.
Cutler’s fine if you give him time. Elite? No way, but adequate. But… 9 sacks a game on a mobile QB? That’s bad, I don’t care WHO you are.
Unfortunately, our division isn’t playing the NFC west this year… so there are some tough games ahead.
maybe
The only guys that are really showing their age are Favre and maybe Pat Williams. Pat’s still hard to move but his lateral movement is not what it used to be (people don’t usually believe this but Pat was as fast as the linebackers sideline to sideline 2 or 3 years ago, watch the tape). Favre, his issues are obvious but I still chalk a lot of it up to skipping all of camp and preseason too.
Longwell can’t reach the endzone on kickoffs but he’s been bad at that for as long as we’ve had him so it’s nothing new.
Other than that I don’t think age is playing too big of a role.
Cedrick Griffen?
How Bad was the injury? We need Ced, he was playing GREAT! I to am not worried at all! We have to WIN next week though! If Ced is injured that will hurt alot more then people think! I hope it was just a sprain. Sid get back healthy SOON week 7 at the Pack please. Once we get Sid back healthy this team will lose NO more then 1 football game the rest of the way!
by Fantasy Master on Oct 12, 2010 12:16 AM CDT reply actions
I'm not very optimistic on that one
I think he recognized the way his knee felt which is not good. His body language and facial expression was less “pain” and more “not again!” I am afraid he tore a ligament in his knee and will be done for the season.
I’m waiting to see what happens next week before declaring anything. Dallas is positively self-implosive, but they are talented enought to win in the Metrodome. I expect a weird game.
I disagree
Dallas is in much worse shape than Minnesota
The New England game and Packer game in Lambeau will define our season.
What he said.
The Cowboys are playing like us this year. Very sporadic and inconsistent.
I don’t think it’ll be like last year’s division game, but it should be a slightly easier time than tonight.
NE will be the toughest game, since I can’t say for certain how healthy the Packers will be in 3 weeks.
please dont look past 'boys...
…as the MNF’ers said.. that will be the ‘desperation bowl’ .. if we blow that one, at home…
…but ..keeping POSITIVE .. i believe we dont fumble/pick away that one..
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
However much some of you hate your coaches
Look on the bright side… at least you don’t have Wade Phillips “leading” your team.
No, we have Brad Childress (and Bevel)....
I’m really not sure which is worse
If the name isn't Tom Cable
Our HC is worse.
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Also our D got ran over all night. Sure they stopped them in the redzone. But giving up that much time of possession killed us.
D got ran over?
What game were you watching?
Holding the Jets to 5 field goals instead of 5 TD’s even WITH those two fumbles at the beginning was incredible work by the defense. Yeah, they did have a hard time with LT but overall I was very impressed. The only reason the Jets got their TD was probably because they were so exhausted from playing pretty much 90% of the 30 minutes in the first half.
Either way. The offense needs to play better all 4 quarters. I have high hopes for the rest of the season.
Nash don't lie
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by GiantBehemoth on Oct 12, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
The Jets....
… offensive line to me was really impressive. Both Jets backs had a great game. But I haven’t seen an O-line move our guys like that for the past 3+ years.
Our secondary was pretty solid today. Overall the defense played very well, but did give up long drives and yards. It was pretty devastating when the Jets got a lead. Without a few big plays in the second half, we could have been easily blown out.
So I think the defense is pretty damn solid. It is frustrating because the defense looks better than last year, but the offense has been so dysfunctional. And AP still looks awesome, actually better.
It’s Favre + receivers + bad blitz pickups + inconsistent protection.
Longwell is a shitty guy for kickoffs. I love his field goal kicking, but I was really hoping we’d get Rhys Lloyd or ANYBODY who can kick it deep with some hangtime. Our coverage guys are for crap with those line drives to the 5.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw the Jets OLine dominating our DLine
(outside of the red zone).That was really disappointing.
But you know...
… I think the Jets O-line is especially good. No one has dominated us this year like that, and no one for the past 3 years. Even then, we matched them pretty good in the second half.
Disappointing? Well, anytime you don’t dominate you could be disappointed. But I thought our guys held there own against a very, very good O-line. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that is the best O-line we see all year.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 14, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
we did get run over in first half..
way too many 10+ yard bursts ..we settled down in 2nd half except for the shon td..
but we seem to never get as much pressure on the opposing qb as they get on ours.. where was jared allen (again) ?
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Hand the offense to Favre, like last year!
The Vikings need to get off to a faster start………………………………………
The Defense will hold u in each and every game.
Get it done Chilly……………………….
get your head out of your ass, please!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre in 2011 is inevitable!
bull shit we have to let favre run the game when he does we score just like last year when chilly ran it it was shit then favre take over and what do you know we score!!!
by cali viking on Oct 12, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Ding!
we have a winner. Get the headset off of Chilly immediately. The man has no clue…. 15-13 and you want to go for one, then waste a timeout to try and figure that shit out??? wow. Our coaches suck.
I thought
going for 2 made sense at the time. But I do agree you have to have your mind made up, one way or another, before you score. There was no excuse for the fire drill and unnecessary time out that followed.
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with going for two
It was the indecision that killed me. I really can’t think of a scenario where you want 1 …
That and the fact that they drew up a great play to start the game which turns out to be illegal…
That wasn't the called play
The play was supposed to go to Shiancoe. That was just improving on a broken play.
Are you kidding?
We looked garbage all game until Randy got the TD.
Our Playcalling was beyond pathetic. I bet a pop warner coach could’ve called the plays the entire first half and we would’ve had atleast a string of 3 plays.
Come on, lets be honest the only reason we were in the game, YET AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was because of our defense and Leslie Frazier.
Im done drinking the Farve kool-aid. It isn’t working. Something needs to change because right now Farve is gonna ride off on his tractor at the end of the season and he still looks like he is just playing for a paycheck.
Bevell and Childressl; I mean its people like this that make you wonder how they got a job, How did the possibly convince Zygi to hire him. His KAO stands for Kill All Offense. Its terrible and it is painful as a long time Viking fan to continually watch us this way. Sure we have some moment but its either coming from our D and Frazier or its from Peterson.
I am disgusted at tonights game, absolutely disgusted that we allow our team to play for half a game and still almost win. Get your shit straight.
Come on FSU
He was all emotions tonight. Who would you have as QB in such a close game? Did he make mistakes, sure. Will he not correct them? You have to be crazy to think that. He is Gunslinger. We knew that. That is his biggest strength. Either it is all in or all out. …ask Sterger (hehehe…couldn’t help myself).
Have to agree with izzie on this
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Yeah the problem is you're completely right
We are all in on Farve. They can’t do anything about it really either because if they do, Chilly looks like an idiot either way. Either they spent too much for no reason or TJ comes in and fails again.
I don’t think he will correct his mistakess though because its the same mistakes he makes over and over again, ones which you just have to chalk up to him being Farve; like throwing it up or throwing into double coverage. The problem for me was the INT at the end was too similar to his INT in the NFC Championship, throwing where he really shouldn’t have thrown.
Chilly should have thought of getting someone else.
Did he not have 19 years worth of film on Favre? He did. He knew. We know. He did not do anything because…well..What other option can you suggest?
There is always McNabb’s name thrown in – Love the guy but he is over-rated.
On his best days he is half the player Favre is.
Think about it, Favre is not our best shot, He is our only shot. I get the anger. He should have been at the camp and we wouldn’t have lost such close games. But we are getting it together. The conference is very weak – we will make it to P-Offs and it will be on Favre’s coat-tails.
Not really
The problem was more that it was thrown behind the receiver and not leading him, than it was that the receiver wasn’t open. Of course, if he hits a WIDE OPEN Harvin earlier, the point is moot anyways.
He seemed to be doing that all night...
throwing behind people, especially Moss, but what can you expect from 3 days together, still tho, wasnt like they told him to learn 40 plays for the game.
All season really
But he seemed better (once he got rolling) this game than in the previous ones. We know he can be accurate so hopefully that continues to improve.
But don’t take anything away from the Jets defense. They are a top notch unit and hassled Brett and the WR’s all night.
he has lots of last minute td drives to his credit...
…but unfortuneately, also has had excruciating INTs to end games… s’pose you cant have one w/o the other
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's Break This Bizznitch Down
Dallas—Win
at Green Bay—Win
at New England—Close Loss
Arizona—Win
at Chicago—Win
Green Bay—Win
at Washington—Win
Buffalo—Ass kicking Win
New York Giants—Win
Chicago—Win
at Philadelphia—Close Loss
at Detroit—Win
that’s 11-5 with a 7 game winning streak and a first round bye.
Suck it NFL.
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Somebody check my math
I’m 3/4 in the bag, and pissed.
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I will stand by it in the morning
As far as you know
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you may stand by it...but will you remember it?
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Seriously
The Bears are not a serious threat. They run an offense that is seemingly designed to end the career of their QB. Not even Julius Peppers can protect Cutler’s increasingly fragile brain.
They weren't a threat last year...
No way could the beat the Vikings…
Oh, wait.
Because
of a BS Pass Interference call..
by marsexxxy23 on Oct 12, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Pardon my French
but Fuck the Bears. Worst 4-1 team in the history of the NFL. But hey, let’s break that bizznitch down:
Seattle—Win
Washington—Loss
Buffalo—Win
Minnesota—Loss
at Miami—Loss
Philadelphia—Loss
@Detroit—Loss
New England—Loss
@ Minnesota—Loss
New York—Loss
@ Green Bay—Loss
That’s 6-10.
Suck it NFL.
Check my math. I’m 4/5th in the bag and STILL pissed.
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Oh, and they will be the first 6-2 team
to go 0-8 in the second half. Bank it.
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I thought all of these projections plausible until this. Lol
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4/5th in the bag or not
There is some possibility there. Mike Martz seems hell-bent on destroying his starting QB’s wherever he goes. If Cutler keeps gettin hit as much as he has so far, he gets knocked for the season by the end of their first game at the dome at the latest. Todd Collins put up a 6.4 QB rating on Sunday so it’s hard to consider that team a playoff threat with him at the helm.
Awful lot of talking about the Bears
To not be afraid of the team leading the division. I recall a certain monday night game last year. I can’t remember the outcome.
You're being very Un-Dude right now.
by IslandBoodler87 on Oct 12, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
As I said
Cutler won’t play in half the games this year (especially after watching how the Giants went after him). The Bears are not a threat without Cutler under center. But I give you credit, your defense is playing better than they have in years.
Is it in the NFL bylaws that the Giants must play a late-season game in Metrodome? Seems like they play here every year around week 12 or so.
Ted
I have only one disagreement with your post…
It will be a win against Philadelphia…
OT, Favre to Sidney to set up the FG.
by marsexxxy23 on Oct 12, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
The outlook gets better later on in those tough games
when Rice comes back into the mix, with Moss on the other side, and Harvin running around at will in the middle.
ps. Berrian who?
HA! Jay-sus, look at that nancy boy!
See guys, what women will do to you? Looks like he’s in a boy band! A grown man, now looks like a chump. What a damn shame.
If the only woman in my life that I need to impress is Gisele Bundchen
and she likes nancy-boy hair, I wouldn’t care what others think if my mop.
That must be some good stuff.
I think you’ll win against Dallas and you’ll probably sweep GB since I’m not sure we’ll even be able to field a team. But I bet you lose to the Giants and at Chicago. If you got everything else right you’re 9-5 and you’re probably in the playoffs in the NFC this year. But chances are you’ll lose a game you shouldn’t, say to GB or at Detroit, and that kicks you down to 8-8. The margin for error is gone and that’s not a good situation to be in when you’re QB is Brett Favre. My guess is 9-7 assuming health from here on out and that’s probably good enough to get you a WC, though probably not the division.
BCB free since 8/24/10 and happier for it.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 13, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey
What I saw tonight was potential for this offense to score and score at will, by the time Moss picks up more of the plays Rice will be back healthy. Our defense is already top notch and going to get better when Cook comes back healthy, hopefully Ced injury isn’t serious.
Purple coolaid? yeah I’ll drink it alone because I believe!
SKOL VIKINGS!
I guess you’re still mad b/c we didn’t draft that safety from FSU who is on a practice squad somewhere?
Im not giving up but
its typical fucking Vikings to do shit like this, show up for half a game just to get you into it so they can rip your heart out at the end.
Tired of it.
That on top of Jimbo’s bipolar FSU squad?
Rough year for you, brah.
California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!
You kidding me?
Jimbo is a great guy first off and secondly pretty sure FSU is ranked and Cal isn’t.
We’ve lost to 1 school, Oklahoma who is in the top 5… yeah we are doing pretty bad brah.
How is 3-2 treating you guys.
If you weren't trying to be a dick
my bad, just really pissed, I get kind of snappy.
However, if you were being a dick, yeah read above post.
Holy fucking shit man...
Ease up on that throttle, hm?
I’m under no delusion where my school is at, I’m just trying to make objective observations…
California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!
Yeah
My Bad, I just read your comment at a bad time and Ive been drinking so I feel sorta bad now.
For what its worth, sorry for snapping.
S'okay
The Vike game wasn’t a source of inspiration an hour ago here, either.
What I meant was, FSU looked like they were struggling to even compete earlier, then come back and dominate Harris and Miami. Could be an ACC title year for them.
Almost as bipolar as Cal has been. Blown out and embarrassed by Nevada, then taking UA to a 1-point loss and finally completely destroying UCLA. Bipolar.
California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!
Yeah
I fucking hate UCLA, really glad they got owned by yall.
And yeah I think we are good enough to go but tbh you are right, sometimes our defense shows up, sometimes they are toking a joint in the stand somewhere lol
They do good work over at CGB
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empathize..totally...
…but let’s all hang in there..someday O will produce all 4qtrs..promise
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
They didn’t show up for 3.5 games. I’m just glad they showed up at all. Half a game is a huge step at this point.
Dont sound like it buddy that will be all
by cali viking on Oct 12, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey man give the jets credit their D played tough
And it took our O time to get rolling, to many early penalties killed drives
Jets D did play great
Which I expected but even still, we could’ve done way better. I will say this tho, we def should’ve looked into getting Cromartie when we could’ve.
Cromartie did play a good game but
you take away all the clutching and grabbing and Moss blows by him all night long.
that's not fair
that first play you have a case, but it was going back and forth all night. hell, moss pulled him down at one point!
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I would still contend
That was incidental. They were both grabbing on each other and Moss tripped.
Cromartie played his best game of the year to my eye. He was grabbing on Moss all game, but usually not in a way that would warrant an interference penalty and he made some good breakups along the way. Of course, he got played like a fiddle on Moss’ touchdown but it just goes to show future opponents why you don’t blitz the safety on Moss’ side…
Moss
Pulled Cromartie down to prevent an INT. Also, he got flagged for it. Cromartie grabbed and clutched Moss all night long and if memory serves me correctly, he didn’t get flagged for it one time. In fact, there was a lot of clutching and grabbing going on by the Jets DB’s for the entire game, and not just on Moss.
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It happens
I remember seeing a few plays where Moss had to readjusted his jersey after it was ripped over his pads. But I didn’t see any terribly blatant PI that cost us. The game was winnable, we just. . . let it slip past our fingers
Picking up Cromartie
I thought Griffin and Winfield played pretty good games myself. Not sure we need Cromartie really.
Oh yes...
Picking up Cook instead has been something we’ve ALL regretted.
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This is ironic, right?
Right?
Seriously.
by Thomas Beekers on Oct 12, 2010 12:26 AM CDT reply actions
I think we can all agree...
Berrian not getting any looks tonight does not upset anyone.
Agreed
I’m curious why Camarillo never gets any looks (or did I miss them)?
My point was
why does Lewis see the field and not Camarillo? I guess outside of the 49ers game last year Lewis has never shown me anything while Camarillo in his few touches as a Viking looks like a solid if unspectacular receiver (ala bobby wade).
I did feel a twinge of nausea
when I heard Tirico announce Berrian subbing for Moss on that last TD drive
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no drops!
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by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh boy? A test of faith?
I just hung up my Favre jersey in the closet until the next game (I want to keep it clean I’m NOT giving up. Never give up). I think the Vikings are testing my faith. I still believe but I have to say when Favre throws the miracle win and there is nothing between you but turf? You have to catch it. That was the game winning ball that Harvin dropped. That was hard to watch. I will also say another thing. In the fourth quarter, #81 was hit a BIT early, hmmm?
The flag must have gotten stuck in the refs pocket. Randy Moss did what I thought he would do. Inject life into the offense. Congrats to Brett Favre on TD 500!! In the second half, we had the Gangrenes reeling! We just could not deliver the knockout punch. Oh well, Next game, please.
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!
agreed
Harvin had no real chance at that ball.
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay. I'm wrong.
Okay. Fine. I’m wrong. But it was still hard to watch. I saw the game on TSN ESPN feed. The way those talking heads were rattling away, I thought I was in New York. They just went on and on and on about the Jets and bad mouthed the Vikings all the way through the game. It was disgusting!!! But that’s Viking football, unfortunately. It just looked like Percy could have caught it that’s all. I’m not putting any player down. I just need to recover and get ready for the next game. I hate it when we lose a close game.
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!
by North Ranger on Oct 12, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
The Announcers
Were definitely homers. As the game went on, I was sure that God and Jesus Christ were starters for the Jets defense. At one point I yelled out after a big Vikings play, “The refs must have missed one there, because the Vikings CAN’T move the ball on this defense!”
The favoritism was worse than I’ve ever seen it.
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fair and balanced reporting, huh?
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY……..is ESPN a wholly owned subsidiary of NY Jets inc?…….lots of fellating for the jets team by all the talking heads (including Ditka)…….
Everyone knows
That only the East Coast and West Coast matter. And by “East Coast” I mean New York and by “West Coast” I mean Los Angeles.
But seriously, the pandering to larger markets is really annoying.
Yeah, it was a couple inches too far.
That entire play though, seriously was the game for us if it was on point. So ridiculous.
1-4
i reemebr favre taking the pack to the playofss when the started 1-4 and iam actually happy the o-line actually blocked this time
I have no confidence in this offense
As long as Childress is the doofus coach calling the plays. It’s not that we shouldn’t run. We’ve got the best running back in the league. We should use him. But the brain dead playcalling. No play action passes. The only bootleg was on the 2pt try. The whole first half a High School coach could’ve called the game and you’d have seen no difference.
There’s too much talent for this level of performance. Period. Two weeks to gameplan the Jets, and they came out with no clue how to play them. Pathetic.
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 12:33 AM CDT reply actions
This and more.
The play calling, outside of that wacky first play, was super bland.
You get an aggressive D, and there’s 0 screens, very few play actions, and a lot of nothing.
Some of it lands on Favre though. He did try to get balls to people on pressure situations, but either sailed the ball, or threw them too low.
oh
I was calling for screens the entire 1st half. I couldn’t figure out why we didn’t.
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
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the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
You watch figure skating?
I think you should have your football fandom revoked for that right there. :P
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't we run one to Harvin?
I think it was our only first down of the half… funny how that works.
Didn't the season start five weeks ago?
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by Mitchell Maurer on Oct 12, 2010 12:35 AM CDT reply actions
No.
No, it did not…allegedly.
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I just feel bad for AP.
Unless he lobbies for a new coach, gets one, and is actually used like he should be.
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by Mitchell Maurer on Oct 12, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Um
Heading into this game Adrian was responsible for 48% of our offensive yardage. I would have liked to see him carry the ball more but at the same time, A) our passing offense is broken and won’t get fixed by not using it, and B) the Jets have the 4th ranked rushing defense in the league. It’s not just as simple as giving Peterson the ball over and over.
Not Giving Up
As bad as the 1st half looked, the 2nd half gave me reason to hope. I saw the Viking team that was supposed to take the field after halftime. Peterson was running wild. Brett was throwing to wide open receivers. Yeah, he missed Percy on one play and threw a bad pick at the end but the offense was better tonight against one of the best defenses in the league. The team went in a slump towards the end of the season last year. I have no doubt they will reverse the trend and start winning this one.
Hate to say but this is just a TEASE
The Vikings have been cruel to us fans this year (for 50 years really) They lose, but they show enough for fans to think they can turn it around. And Favre is the worst. He offers you a few great plays that keeps you thinking there is a chance, but he kills you in the end.
What makes you think Favre will stop the 3+ turnovers per game? That is who he is. He is exciting, dramatic, but ultimately not a winner of big games.
I love the Vikes and especially players like Peterson and Harvin, but Favre (combined with Chilly and Bevell) will doom this team. And they are already in deperation mode at 1-3. You cannot win consistently when your QB makes as many or more mistakes (INTs, missed receivers, etc.) than good plays.
Like the Bears this week?
We need more 0-5 teams on our schedule.
what the hell
Has nobody seen Favre’s pictures (alleged)? Nobody gets the joke? Or has everyone lost their sense of humor? Keep the faith people. We will be fine.
Was Last Year...
a tease? I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree Ace. Getting Moss was just what this team needed. They’ll right the ship. It’s way too early to throw in the towel. Too much football left to be played.
Honestly..
I’m starting to think that he maybe should. He certainly can’t get much worse than Favre’s 7 ints in 4 games. We could easily be 3-1 right now if not for all the lost possessions on his fumbles and ints.
Maybe its time to see if Jackson can wear the big-boy pants now. I mean, Moss DID make Matt Cassel look good for at least one year.
3+ turnovers
Unless the rest of our games are also played in a deluge, I’d have to say no that trend is not likely to continue. The second fumble especially was clearly because the balls was wet, but there is a good chance the rain played a part in the first fumble too. The interception would never have happened if the team didn’t need to press with 90 seconds and no timeouts.
And don’t forget at least 1/3 of his interceptions this year have been off his receivers hands. I just don’t see that continuing personally.
Very good points
Well said, Cobra312004. Everything needs to be looked at in its proper perspective, to really understand what’s going on, imho…
by Wytefang on Oct 12, 2010 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I don't want to hear about...
“Oh there’s nothing to be disappointed about…”
It’s the NFL, not Pop Warner. There’s no room for “learning experiences.” That’s what blasted preseason games are for. So if Klink can’t have the team ready to play from the opening kickoff; if he can’t get his team to reliably cover kicks; and if he can’t show imagination in playcalling, then kick him upstairs and let him play draftnick, since that’s the only thing some people think he’s decent at.
With the talent assembled on this team, we have every right to believe the team should win. And we always have the right to think our team should bloody show up from the 1st play.
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 12:43 AM CDT reply actions
I appreciate blind optomism...
But come on. The way Minnesota is playing, they will be lucky to get to seven wins all year, much less rattle off six wins in a row. This is not last year’s team. Favre clearly isn’t the same QB. There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just the way it is.
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
by Manimal on Oct 12, 2010 12:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Quite frankly
If anyone wants to jump off the bandwagon, go ahead. . .bail.
Don’t try jumping back on later, either. There won’t be room for you. . .most of us will be stretching out and getting comfortable, since we’ll have been there for a while.
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by Christopher Gates on Oct 12, 2010 12:57 AM CDT reply actions
Good, cause I need some leg room
my knees are killing me…
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Oct 12, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I made my own groove in the seat. Fits me tush just fine!
42 and running!
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!
by North Ranger on Oct 12, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Gonna stretch out and grind my feet into this couch, Chappelle-style.
California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!
Who's jumping ship?
I’ve a lifelong Viking fan and my sons will be Vikings fans but I won’t pretend to be happy and optimistic when my team plays the way they did when they had 2 weeks to prepare.
Agreed!
I feel the same way! Its hard to be optimistic when our only win of the season happens to be against the lions.. whooopee. the rest of our schedule is full of d-boyz and after 2 weeks of rest and prep we still come on the field as if nobody even practiced.
Man,
Any Vikings fan that EVER gives up on their team, even if they were 0-4 at this point, is not a TRUE Vikings fan…
So I agree. Go ahead and jump off the bandwagon! I wanna sprawl in the glory when we win the Superbowl! :)
(Okay so maybe I’m getting a LIIIIITTLE ahead of myself… but who can blame me) :)
Nash don't lie
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by GiantBehemoth on Oct 12, 2010 3:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Everyone come back to this conversation week 12 and then look on tonight
and see what you have to say then.
Favre is master of recovery
You have to hand to Brett, though. He made a few blunders but he bounced right back and fired them into the endzone three times! Our defense held the Greenies to just field goals and they only got into the touchdown just once. I would say that is pretty good. Say what you will but I agree that the Vikings will get better. That gives me hope and optimism for the next game! It’s all I have and I will cling to it like a buoy in rough waters. I still believe!! I’m going to watch the post game Favre conference, now.
SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!
B.F.
He’s usually the only reason we’re ever in the game to begin with.
You think TJack would of made that score to Moss, or either Harvin TD? We would of been staring at a 3 possession deficit without Favre.
He does get credit for those random fumbles earlier in the game, but honestly, he needs more credit for keeping us in games at all. Games like last season’s Bears game, the NFC Champ game, and this game. He just has to do too much, and it always seems to catch up to him.
Exactly!
Favre iz old. end of story. his arm is old and rusty and the spunk is gone.. a whole different game would open up if favre’s cannon wasnt on our side, which doesnt help all that much.. he kept us in the game and lost it for us at the same time!
Man, I'd hate to be your grandparent.
You would throw me under the bus because I’d have wrinkles…lol.
OK…that was harsh (but funny) and I apologize to you.
Last season yeah...
… but 2-3 turnovers a game doesn’t cut it for ANY QB in the league, and I don’t care what team you are playing for.
And yeah, T-Jack could make that throw to Moss. I’ve seen him make that throw before. I have also seen T-Jack scramble out of the pocket and run, which Favre cannot do very well.
A healthy T-Jack might right now be better than an ailing Favre.
I could be wrong, but the way they called plays at the beginning of that game, they didn’t trust Favre to make the throws. Or, it could be just totally stupid play calling. You can’t beat a team like the Jets with a solid defense by being one-dimensional.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
+1000
A few great throws CANNOT make up for 3 turnovers (or more) a game.
Stop kissing Favre’s ass and wake up to how bad he is playing overall; 2.5 shitty quarters cannot be made up for in 1 good quarter.
Again... Exactly
How many times to i gotta say he’s just too old. There iss too much young talent all around him and he just cant keep up.. the old fart should have keeled over on the field years ago
I still like our chances...
With 2 still to go against the Pack and Bears each, this is very doable. We need to take care of the Cowboys next week, then the following week may very well decide our season.
Side note: This was the first game where I was really active in a Game Thread. Was a little disappointed in some of the negative, quitter attitudes, but overall was fun.
Mental Note: If and when the Jets falter down the stretch and fail to make the playoffs, I hope we can all get together and find a way to pay back MiketheIdiot(Intern) and his stupid ass for posting such jackass comments up to, and immediately after the game. If I offended anyone with my replies to him in the Game Thread, I apologize (I think they were removed).
by San Diego Viking on Oct 12, 2010 1:03 AM CDT reply actions
I don't go in the game threads because I'm on my iPhone
But if MikeTheIntern was there, I think I made a wise choice.
California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!
I don't think he showed up until...
Favre’s last pick. Just like coward he is.
by San Diego Viking on Oct 12, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Cowboys are in the same spot.
as us. Good roster, but just too inconsistent. We need that win.
Hopefully we can also take care of an ailing Packers team the following week.
Miss ya Rice, get well soon.
I don't remember what you said to him
But I am sure you were right in doing so.
As for the gay green blog…Let me know when and I will come with you and do my part.
Disappointed?
I wouldn’t be negative if this offense had showed me something in any of the first 4 games. The Detroit game AD had a big one and Favre still didn’t prove anything to me against a terrible defense.
Some of it is Favre playing poorly, but much more of it is our terrible head coach. If there is a Vikings fan that likes him they are actually a Packers fan.
They didn't show you anything in the first 4 games?
Are you not counting the Jets game as anything? Or are you forgetting that tonight was only our 4th game?
5-5 and 9-7...
I am hoping for this with the brutal schedule we have left. Not sure if that could get us in the playoffs though so hopefully they squeak out 10 wins.
Na...
I agree and disagree with many.. Im a diehard myself but i know when to call it quits for the season.. Favre has gotta realize his limit, he aint young no more and he doesnt have the spunk he had last year. the rest of the team just needs good leadership(offense mainly). In short, Maybe next season!
You say "diehard", I say "you mean bandwagon?"
You know when to call it quits? Your definition of die-hard must not be the same as mine. Or you have it confused with bandwagon, that’s also a possibility. In short, real die-hards don’t throw in the towel 4 weeks into the season.
I hate to say it...
… but if Favre is going to get 2-3 turnovers a game, he needs to be benched.
To me, it was like they didn’t trust him or didn’t think he could make the throws until they got behind and needed it. If his arms isn’t there, or whatever the reason, then they need to play T-Jack.
I mean, the first half was run, run, run, run…. That might work against Detroit, but the Jets are too good on defense to be one dimensional. When we started to throw we moved the ball.
If Favre isn’t healthy, he needs to be benched for whoever is the next best healthy QB. A lot of those missed throws T-Jack would have made. He probably doesn’t make two fumbles. And he might scramble from one or two of those blitzes.
If Favre is healthy enough, I don’t think we run that much unless we get the lead first.
And why not once or twice in the first half throw on first down? We get to third down and need a pass, and the Jets blitz every friggin’ play, and we couldn’t pick most of those up until the second half.
If we go play action once or twice, on first down in the first quarter, maybe we don’t get beat by those blitzes.
The blitz pickups were pretty solid in the second half when we were throwing most every down.
Bottom line, if you can’t trust Favre’s arm in the first half, he needs to be benched, regardless of the $$$ you are paying him.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 1:12 AM CDT reply actions
I used to think TJack was acceptable as a QB.
At the end of 08’ when he sort of had a good streak. But then he couldn’t go anywhere in the pre-season this year, and I gave up on that.
He can’t make plays in a hurry, like blitz reads. I don’t think he has any confidence to make throws down field, such as Moss or Rice.
At best, he’s much more mobile than aging Favre, and may scramble to make a play. But he then just KEEPS running, and it becomes stale/predictable.
Sage looked good, but he isn’t someone we really wanted to hang on to long term.
Well...
…. I don’t really disagree with you, but then again when your starting QB is getting 2-3 turnovers a game, you just are going to lose a lot of games. You can beat the Lions with those turnovers… maybe… but you are going to lose to the Jets or a comparable team 9 out of 10 times.
You might be right, but maybe a healthy T-Jack is better than an ailing Favre.
He can throw it deep to Moss. He’s got a strong arm. The deep ball to Moss any strong armed QB can make that throw. T-Jack might do it better than Favre right now. A few of those deep passes to Moss were well under thrown.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Hm.
The misc unforced turnovers definitely are steering this team in the wrong direction. Take away our two silly ass fumbles from the game, and who knows what happens?
But I don’t think TJack takes this defense, and comes away with 21 points himself. Turnovers or not. I really wish Webb was more capable as a QB. He showed a lot of pure athletic ability, but throwing… not so much.
Maybe he doesn't...
… but what gets me is the approach in the first half that seemed to be so predictable and so “run first” that we didn’t take a shot until we got behind.
If they don’t think Favre can make the throws, then they need to bench him. It’s either a bad decision to start him, or just bad play calling, because you can’t win against a defense like the Jets being one-dimensional.
You have to take your shots, and not wait until 3rd and long for Favre to take a blitz.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they started...
…this game so cautiously due to Favre’s ability or inability (at present) to throw the ball well. I think they started that way to try to keep him from being mauled. They wanted to start out, get in a groove, establish the run game and then go from there. Unfortunately, it was just too slow and sloppy of a start again. Sigh. :(
Maybe but then...
… I question that strategy. I don’t think you can run that much against a good defense like the Jets, until perhaps the 4th quarter when you have a lead. When we threw more, AP also started getting some nice runs.
You aren’t going to pound the Jets in the first quarter the way you might pound a more mediocre team.
And the getting mauled part, you may very well be right. But then, I think it was a bad strategy there as well, because they put him in so many 3rd and longs that the Jets blitzed like crazy, and our blitz pickups stunk until the 2nd half.
I think waiting ALWAYS until 3rd and long to pass put Favre in a worse situation for getting mauled, than if they had occasionally thrown on first and second down.
Things were much smoother when they mixed it up, but you got the feeling they only did that because the game was slipping away.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, if that is why they did the run,run,pass in the first half.
Maybe after seeing that Favre can make the throws, they will open it up more. So, maybe this was a good thing.
Sage isn't exactly a spring chicken, either.
And he isn’t old, but his value was about as high as it was ever going to get after that first preseason game. From that second game on, all he did was depreciate.
California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!
Agreed
We spent a 4th on him, we might as well get the highest return we can possibly get. Plus they didn’t want this to happen…
Plus did you honestly want Sage for a few more years to be the scapegoat?
Rosencopter!!!
Awesome. The guy has some heart, I think.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't want a scapegoat.
I want a Super Bowl, goddammit! Haha
California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!
Yeah I know
I actually think Sage would’ve done ok with us but shhhhhhh don’t let anyone know that lol.
Sage isn't the answer....
… or else he’d be starting somewhere now. Throwing balls to Garrett Mills and a collection of potential special teamers against a defense comprised of special teamers and guy who are going to be cut doesn’t mean anything.
His “value” is next to nothing. There’s a lot of guys floating around like Sage Rosenfels.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
McNabb?
Could be a possibility still.
Or Vick, if he survives this season. QB runs, with AP/Harvin/Moss (resign plz)? Hm.
Vick might be around
maybe even Kolb if they get rid of Vick.
Hell let’s see if Jeff Garcia wants a quick catch session.
Vick.
There aren’t enough stray dogs in TC for him to be interested.
California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!
Agreed.
I wish we just had a better QB pool. TJ is almost like a lameduck backup, Sage is gone and we’ve attached our cart to Farve’s tractor with a carrot in front and a sign saying “SB or bust”.
I just hope regardless of how the rest of the season plays out they got a plan for the next draft.
I agree, Hammer.
Favre keeps fumbling and tossing picks he should be benched. 3 TD’s does not make up for 3 TO’s.
Actually I'd say 3 TDs
does make up for 3 TOs, especially with the defense we have. But its the 7 ints he has on the season already, not to mention the fumbles and breakdown of the O-line for his already immobile self that have me worried and thinking it might be time for Jackson to get another shake.
No sage
Sage was merely a move of desperation like all the other moves our bogis ass coach has made. He isnt athletic enough to keep up with us which is why he wouldnt have started anyway if favre didnt play.. it would be tjack! favre is just good, or was good at reading defenses, winging it, and throwing pretty damn well. He’s too old for that now
We replaced the 49ers as the best worst team in the NFL
That’s something.
Well, until we beat the Cowboys, and get a better record than them.
How could we have?
The Niners are still winless. Of course, I thought they, like GB, was overrated, but still.
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they're ahead by a small margin.
But we’re both way better than our records show :P
At Least Favre's Scandal Is Over
Somebody finally came forward and admitted to sending these texts, etc. and posing as Favre. You’re not going to believe who it is. Favre’s been responsible for a lot of picks, but not the ones on Sterger’s phone.
I knew it
Brett’s not stupid enough to do something like that. They just decided to make it a big case 2 YEARS later right when he happened to be preparing to play the Jets! Kinda ticks me off… but oh well!
Nash don't lie
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by GiantBehemoth on Oct 12, 2010 3:34 AM CDT up reply actions
But then again
I could be wrong, haha
Nash don't lie
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by GiantBehemoth on Oct 12, 2010 3:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't actually read the article before I posted this :D
Nash don't lie
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by GiantBehemoth on Oct 12, 2010 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Ups and Downs tonite....sigh.
As I saw it:
*UPS/PROS: *
- Offense came to life (FINALLY!) in the 2nd half
- Moss looking like a big help and not just with his own efforts but the effect on the team in general
- Harvin stepping up in a big game
- Defense was great for much of the game, particularly the secondary (Until the end of the game when they seemed tired)
- Offensive Line did decent job
Downs/Cons
- AP didn’t look as great tonight but they do have a tough defense
- Offensive Line started out too shaky/sloppy – our FB sucks
- Shiancoe seemed hobbled a bit by his injury
- Defense got sloppy towards the end and also didn’t really stop LT like they should’ve
- Re-Injury for Cedric Griffith? :( I hope not, that’s the last thing we need with stupid Cook hurt again :(
- Favre is killing us with these turnovers…gah. I kept waiting for it to happen and sure enough, at the most critical time, it did. \:(
All that being said, both positively and negatively, I still love having Favre (he’s awesome, win or lose) and I think we now know that we can beat this team, even if we didn’t tonight, AND we should be able to make the playoffs still and come together in time for the big dance at the end of all these games. It won’t be easy as we’re behind the 8-ball for the moment but hopefully we’ll win vs. Dallas and Green Bay (if we can get those two games and get to 3-3, I have high hopes for the season’s final results.
I AM fairly worried about Favre’s health though…between that arm (just what we need him to suffer through, a gimpy elbow now, gah!) and his ankle, it is hard to imagine him making it all season healthy. Here’s to hoping though.
I do hope that someday soon (in the next few seasons) we finally find our own franchise QB. And a stadium. Thank you, Santa.
SKOL VIKINGS!!
Thoughts on your thoughts
Moss back in purple was awesome. If Favre and Moss had been able to even spend the entire bye week with each other, I think he would have torched this secondary. At least two or three of the bombs Favre threw didn’t lead him right and Favre said after the game he could have avoided a sack or two if they were more familiar with each other. Great debut and should only get better from there.
The secondary looked weaker late, but I think it had more to do with the loss of Griffin than being tired. They converted 3 big first downs late on passes with Allen and Sheppard in man coverage. I thought M. Williams played pretty poorly throughout but maybe that was just me.
I thought Peterson looked great actually. Averaged 4.9 ypc for 88 yards on 18 carries against one of the best run defenses in the league and added a nice 20 yard reception for good measure. To put that in perspective; Ray Rice, 2.05 ypc on 21 carries and B-J Green-Ellis, 1.9 ypc on 10 carries in their other two home games. I especially loved his run on 3rd and short where he drove 3 or 4 defenders about 6 yards down the field.
Agreed, the FB sucks. I’ve been calling for us to cut Tahi for years and am still mad we didn’t pick up Tony Richardson when the Jets cut him coming out of camp.
LT seemed like he had something to prove against us tonight. Lots of blown plays by the defense, but at least we locked down when it counted. But our streak of less than 150 rushing yards allowed came to an end tonight (2nd longest in league history) so that needs to be a disappointment.
Not a re-injury for Griffin since it was reportedly his other knee that got hurt this time (sound familiar?). I hope it’s not serious, but I don’t feel good about his prospects. I would be surprised if he isn’t put on injured reserve tomorrow.
Definitely agree that 3-3 is a very doable goal. I like our chances with Dallas at home (could you ask for a better opponent for Moss’ return to the Dome?), and at the rate Packers are dropping, they might not be able to field 22 players by the time we roll into Lambeau so I like our chances of winning these two games better than I did a week ago.
In other news, Sidney Rice went Monday to get his hip evaluated so here’s hoping for good news. I can’t imagine trying to gameplan against this team with a healthy Sidney Rice back in the fold. Here’s hoping for good news tomorrow.
ANOTHER DISAPOINTING LOSS.
I don’t know about you people but i was stunned to find out that the team took a vacation during the bye instead of using that time to work on PASS PROTECTION ASSIGNMENTS,
It doesn’t matter who the Q.B.or RECEIVERS are if you can’t block your passing game will suck or at best be mediocre.
If and only if we get our pass protection together 11-5 can happen.maybe 12-4
If not 6-10 or 8-8
Seahawks fan here
Was pulling for Favre and the Vikes to get the win. Glad to see Brett throw his 500th TD. Vikings D looked pretty good considering the offense couldn’t keep them off the field in the first half. I don’t think this game should have come down to a last minute drive though.
The Jets scored on every one of your turnovers unfortunately, 13 points right there. I couldn’t believe the turnaround in the second half, was expecting a terrible 2nd from Favre.
The Seahawks are playing the Bears next week so a Hawk win will be great for both of us, it is a road game for Seattle though so don’t get your hopes up. But whether we win or lose, I won’t be surprised either way.
Just gotta play better than the Panthers
If Cutler doesn’t start it should be easy. If he does, you just gotta knock him out again.
you should probably consider yourselves lucky it wound up so competitive. When moss wasnt gathering himself on cromartie’s rolling stone, he was giving up
. A few nice passes from favre and execution from harvin kept the vikes in it but it was just a matter of time before he imploded . dont worry you can all play the team in madden, take them all the way and complain how it was childress’ fault. your hopes are dead.
You're gonna talk trash about Moss?
Really? He averaged over 20 yards a reception and scored the TD that ignited the offense in the first place.
The rest of the world needs to learn the difference between “giving up”/“taking plays off” and setting up defenders to be burned deep later. Moss does that better than anyone in the history of the league. You think it’s an accident that he is the best deep threat the game has ever seen, and teams know that, and they still can’t stop him?
Read my lips...
…the Vikings, after their ridiculous looking offense for the last quarter and a half (minus the Brett interception), this team will roll off wins in the next six weeks and will finish the season at 12-4. There’s too much talent for this team not to roll and once we get a good combination with Moss and Favre and the addition of Sidney Rice along with Peterson in the back field, it’s going to be very difficult to stop this team. The offense will finally be picking up the defense rather than the other way around. The Vikes are dangerous, just wait and see. It starts next week…Dallas, I wouldn’t be too happy to be coming to Minnesota next weekend. Have fun!
Hard to read your lips when you're typing
lol but no, I don’t see 12 wins. At all. I see us, at best, finishing 10-6 to 9-7. And that isn’t even counting games we’re going to lose that we should win.
Yes But....
We sucked on both sides of the ball for three quarters, then as if we were watching a completely different team, the Vikes came to life and “almost” came out with a spectacular win. That’s the Vikes we all want and need but our self-inflicted wounds like turnovers and stupid-stupid pre-snap penalties are killing us! And they’re all preventable just like they were in the NFCC. If we do “nothing” else but eliminate those dumb mistakes, we’ll be win. Otherwise, more disciplined teams will roll over us the rest of the season. NOW LET’S ROLL!
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
I agree with everything but..
…your take that we sucked on both sides of the ball for three quarters. I would say that our D was what kept us in the game for three quarters. When we needed them most for a stop, Shonn Greene rolls to a TD, which (in everyone’s mind) seemed to put the game away. The D was getting too tired after being on the field for a majority of the game. If the O would have done their job and spent more time on the field in the first three quarters, there’s no way there would have been a lapse in our D line or some missed tackles late in the game. This problem will be fixed. It’s scary to think what the Vikings could accomplish with the personnel they have both on D and now with Moss and Rice coming back on O. Wow!
Agree...
… the defense was solid like it has been every game this year. This was the most points they gave up, really only 22 given up by the defense, with two fumbles in our territory.
The game is just sitting there for the offense to take. Every single game.
We gave up 14 to NO, 14 to Miami but 7 was a defensive TD, 10 to Detroit, and 29 to the Jets but 7 was a defensive TD. By my count, our defense has given up 5 TDs in 4 games, and 5 field goals. And some of those scores happened after turnovers in our own end, like the interception that got Detroit on our 10 yard line.
This team could be scary good if the offense was even average right now. I saw flashes last night, but our hole in the division is deeper and our margin for error smaller.
We need to win out the division, and at least go 10-6 but probably 11-5 to win it. That means we win 5 more division games, that puts us to 6-3, and then go 5-2 in the other games. That’s a tall order, looking at New England on the road, Dallas next week, the NY Giants… and that’s assuming we beat the Packers and Bears twice, and the Lions just put a 44-6 beatdown on a 2-2 team.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
So the rain is your 12th man on D?
That is what kept the Jets to FGs
Then the Packers better hope....
… it rains every day because the Packers defense is done. You got nobody left. Not to mention that you somehow don’t have a running back anymore. Teams are going to maul you because nobody will respect the run anymore.
I highly doubt the Packers take the division.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 12, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Would that be the same rain
That made the Jets D any good? Come on.
Favre's passes were not hitting receivers in the numbers
Sanchez’s receivers did him absolutely no favors in the first half.
And...
Favre’s offensive line/backs didn’t do him any favors in the 1st half either.
Am I the only one that feels like other teams offensive lines are getting by with a lot of holds against our D-lineman? I’ll answer my own question: NO!
My sisters husband, who is a Chiefs fan by the way, was yelling at the officials all night because they weren’t calling any holds on the Jets offensive lineman. It’s borderline ridiculous at this point.
Yes, Mr. Goodell, the William’s have been bitch slapping you for a few years now on the Star Caps issue but when the best defensive line in football can’t get to the QB, something is wrong.
The Minnesota Vikings - Undefeated in the Playoffs at Lambeau Field!
Can I just say
I hate all Media outlets…. God NPR had a piece on the game this morning, f*ing more focused on allegations than the game….jesus
jets and favre have both learned...
…never trust a hot reporter w/ large fake boobs..
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
by BranFavrenton on Oct 12, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
No fear here.
Moss TD, proves a deep threat.
Rice will be one day back and hopefully up to speed.
We’re at home next week. No rain issues/delay of games
Moss picks up more of playbook
Moss gets in stride better w/ Favre
Jets have a good D..
It was a tight game until that Interception.
And we have yet to come out firing hot.. We’ve generally been more of a 2nd half team imo.
Seems like it's just not in the cards this year, starting with brutal schedule
No shame in losing to NO and NYJ on the road on Monday nights—-both final 4 teams last year. how do the Vikes get those 2 games in their first 4 games? Part of a brutal stretch of NYJ/DAL/GB/NE, with 3 of those 4 ON THE ROAD?
Sometimes intangibles like the schedule play a big part in how your season goes. Only lost one bad game—but it was at home to Miami, which never should’ve happened—-so after October, the Vikes will have no margin for error.
Only saving grace is our division is weak—CHI leading, but who’s afraid of Cutler? Look how the Giants beat the tar out of them. And GB is riddled with injuries (and didn’t look very good before all the injuries, anyway)
Best team in the NFC at the quarter pole is Atlanta? Who woulda thunk it?
Lots of football left, friends. Sweep the Pack again this year and get a split with Chicago and we’ll be right back in the division race.
How about...
sweet GB again this year and sweet Chicago while we’re at it. I know the games the Vikes play against the Bears are usually close, but honestly, the Bears are not good.
Overly optimistic math
Three days practice on the team for moss= 84 yds, 1 touchdown.
6 days practice on team for moss = 168 yds 2 touchdowns.
We can hope no? _
Very disappointed
I see lots of reason for optimism but not with Brett and his bum elbow running the show. I get that they want to keep the “streak” going but one could argue to let him take the first snap, play a few downs and if it starts hurting then pull him and put TJack and/or Spidey in there…. This brings up another point, I speculate we will see Joe Webb active next week. Unless of course, they just don’t want to see how he can do yet? I mean if TJack got injured, and Favre gets pulled out early because of his arm, they could bring Webb in anyway.
Anyway guys, I really think Favre’s arm is holding us back. The throws behind players early in the year. The inability to fire it to receivers so it doesn’t get picked off. The grabbing of the elbow just has me seriously concerned. It is time to see what we can do with a helathy QB running the ship.
Vikings losses
If you go back and watch every single game so far, you’ll find it fairly obvious that every single one of those losses could fall squarely on Favre’s shoulders. Yeah, I know the Offense has been dismal………other than AP’s running, but every time the Vikes go on a run, Favre throws a pick. Granted, The O line has cracks in their armour, but Favre is going back to his old habit of forcing the ball into usually double coverage or forcing the game rather than take what the defenses give him. Frankly, I think it’s time to pull the trigger and tell him to take a seat on the bench and let the back-up take over. It’s feast or famine with Bret and right now it’s major league famine. In all of their losses….Bret Favre has played a major role!
by jjlovesfootball on Oct 12, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
He certainly shares the blame...
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 13, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Best Play Call Yet - Chilly takes Blame
From our friends over at Access Vikings http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/104776849.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:Yyc:aUjEkDhEK_kchO7DU.
What bogles the mind is how a team coming off the bye week can look so ill-prepared to start a game.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
This
More than anything else, that is what had me incensed at the first half. We had two weeks to look at them, to have the protection sorted. They didn’t do anything unusual. But even when Tahi was back there, he was oblivious on blitz pick-up.
I had no problem running the ball more to start the game. But you don’t predictably go “run, run, sack.” Every time you have the ball. Screens, traps, play action, quick passes. All those things should’ve been part and parcel of the gameplan. But they weren’t. Instead it was straight ahead, with those ludicrous shotgun draws being the only sort of ‘misdirection’ play we ran. Nothing to make them back off the blitz.
Pathetic, Klink didn’t come close to putting his team in a better place to win the game.
by Shawn Gillogly on Oct 12, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It seems like they ran the gadget play on first down
to try and get Rex to back of on blitzes… and they were just counting on that to keep the defense honest. But it didn’t. And they refused to change the gameplan at all.
Typical Favre game
Your team is out, has no chance, and suddenly BF rises to the occasion (sp?), rallies the troops, makes incredible plays that defy logic and then you just know your team is going to win. And just when victory is at hand, he throws a late game pick to end it. Victory for the opponent. Yes, it’s an old movie, but like Casablanca, it’s a classic.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, and I’m sure Mr. Gates will ban me for saying anything contrary against the Chosen One, but the Vikes will never win a SB with Favre at the helm (see caveat below). I was correct before, and I am correct now. All rational minds know this as well.
But a final caveat. And this is hardly original as it has been alluded to already. Should the God BF be suspended for a few weeks, the chances of the Vikes going to the SB rises exponentially. No chance of injury to the Savior, a lot of well needed rest for his elbow and his psyche, the Vikes will do just fine, probably better, in his absence (sp again), and then he is fresh for the playoffs and if he gives up his addiction to late game pickoffs the Vikes are Champions.
Summary – Vikes cannot possibly win with Favre as QB for 16 games plus the playoffs. But, have Favre suspended for several weeks, and then PT play upon his return, and then enter the playoffs healthy, and the Vikes might just win a SB behind the Great One’s arm.
Food for thought. You’re Welcome.
As much as I want to...
I can’t totally disagree with your winning recipe caveat. If by chance BF is suspended, God I hope not…it would allow his aches and pains to heal. Not sure our B/U will be able to tread water/win in his absence, but without some rest for BF, I think he struggles late into the season. In a perfect world, his pains would go away, this latest scandal will disappear, and we’ll finish 12-4 with BF at the helm and take the SB.
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